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[Jinxx]

I'm going to have to disagree here. If the kidnapping of an American results in some type of gain, financial or otherwise, cartel leaders will be all for it. A few American citizens getting killed in Mexico will elicit absolutely zero USA Federal response. None. There's been several killings of Americans in Tijuana the past few years and the American federal government did absolutely nothing about it.

It's not a "USA Federal response" they're worried about. There's not much the "USA Federal" could do anyway besides cooperate with Mexican authorities, sharing intelligence. Mexico is a sovereign nation. The "USA Federal" holds no jurisdiction past the border.

What the cartel would be worried about is the extra heat and attention that killing / kidnapping an American would bring. For instance if / when an American gets attacked or killed in Tijuana it at least draws attention from the press. A news article will be written about it. The family will make some noise and the chief of police will be pressured to do something, because they don't want the bad press as it will have a negative effect on tourism and the perception of safety which could discourage people from doing business / investing in Tijuana.

The risk / reward factor makes attacking / killing Americans an unattractive endeavour. The cartels have much bigger fish to fry so to speak.

[WombatEd2]

I suspect Gringos may be less likely victimized in Tijuana than in downtown Los Angeles or Riverside.

Spoken like somebody who has never spent any time in L. A. 's skid row!

[Captain Solo]

I suspect Gringos may be less likely victimized in Tijuana than in downtown Los Angeles or Riverside.

[LuvMexicanas]

The fatal fault in your argument is that you seem to think Mexico has a reliable criminal justice system. It would be necessary in order to determine who's guilty of a murder. I recognize this fact. That is why I just said "killings" because who really knows who the guilty party is. You seem to be able to conclude that cartels are guilty of various killings. But we all know that Mexico law enforcement is severely corrupted and incompetent and is incapable of reliably determining who the true murderers are. So your contention presumes a competent criminal justice system exists, which it does not.

You're so lost. I cannot help you. Sorry.

[ClamSlammer]

My point exactly. My post you replied to was solely about cartels. You should re-read it to understand why your reply to it was off base. My post explicitly addressed cartels. Moreover, I included multiple context clues such as twice leading into sentences with if I were a cartel leader.

The fatal fault in your argument is that you seem to think Mexico has a reliable criminal justice system. It would be necessary in order to determine who's guilty of a murder. I recognize this fact. That is why I just said "killings" because who really knows who the guilty party is. You seem to be able to conclude that cartels are guilty of various killings. But we all know that Mexico law enforcement is severely corrupted and incompetent and is incapable of reliably determining who the true murderers are. So your contention presumes a competent criminal justice system exists, which it does not.

[StRobert]

Just off the top of my head, there were many murders and kidnaps in the last few years.

2 young gringas were murdered in Rosarito.

1 SD high school grad was murdered in Ensenada.

A SD surf champion was kidnapped on the way to Ensenada; his wife gang raped in front of him.

1 guy had a money dispute with a puta working out of a bar near PV's cruise ship terminal. He ran out of the bar, was chased down and shot to death with a Colt. 45.

2 med students in Guadalajara from LOS Angeles were kidnapped and tortured for ransom when they went to a bad neighborhood one night looking to buy drugs. After 1 week, 1 family paid ransom and 1 guy was released, the other guy was tortured and shot to death in front of an apartment building. The surviving guy swore he did not see anything or anyone and did not remember what happened to them. He was very scared.

1 LA guy from botched a drug deal and owed the cartel $200 K. He went down to Michoacan to negotiate payment and got kidnapped. His family was instructed to bring $200 K cash to a clothing store in the garment district. They went to the FBI. FBI investigated, baited and raided dozens stores, found $50 M cash. Stores in the garment district would swap drug cash in LA for shipments of clothing to importers in Mexico who then pay cartels with pesos.

May be many more in other states I have not heard.

I am not trying to provoke hysteria, but the facts are there have been quite a few murders and kidnaps of US citizens in Mexico with not much LE's heat brought down, but the rate of major crimes is probably lower than in LOS Angeles or Riverside counties. Murder of federal agents like Enrique Camarena would bring down heat, but it took DEA over a decade to finally capture the 2 guys who did the murder. They could not pin the hit on El Chapo.

Murders and kidnaps of ordinary US citizens won't excite federal officials into taking quick, serious actions. State Department already warned travelers of Mexico.

Captain, please read this statistics - "List of mass shootings in the USA" (since 1922). Yes, US citizens murdered by. Other US citizens link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States.

[LuvMexicanas]

I never said specifically the Americans were killed by cartel. And who could definitely say who the killers were? The Mexicans would have to have a competent law enforcement and criminal justice system in place in order to determine that. And we all know that doesn't exist.

My point exactly. My post you replied to was solely about cartels. You should re-read it to understand why your reply to it was off base. My post explicitly addressed cartels. Moreover, I included multiple context clues such as twice leading into sentences with if I were a cartel leader.

[ClamSlammer]

Can you state the specific killings of Americans in Tijuana BY the cartel?

I never said specifically the Americans were killed by cartel. And who could definitely say who the killers were? The Mexicans would have to have a competent law enforcement and criminal justice system in place in order to determine that. And we all know that doesn't exist.

[Captain Solo]

Just off the top of my head, there were many murders and kidnaps in the last few years.

2 young gringas were murdered in Rosarito.

1 SD high school grad was murdered in Ensenada.

A SD surf champion was kidnapped on the way to Ensenada; his wife gang raped in front of him.

1 guy had a money dispute with a puta working out of a bar near PV's cruise ship terminal. He ran out of the bar, was chased down and shot to death with a Colt. 45.

2 med students in Guadalajara from LOS Angeles were kidnapped and tortured for ransom when they went to a bad neighborhood one night looking to buy drugs. After 1 week, 1 family paid ransom and 1 guy was released, the other guy was tortured and shot to death in front of an apartment building. The surviving guy swore he did not see anything or anyone and did not remember what happened to them. He was very scared.

1 LA guy from botched a drug deal and owed the cartel $200 K. He went down to Michoacan to negotiate payment and got kidnapped. His family was instructed to bring $200 K cash to a clothing store in the garment district. They went to the FBI. FBI investigated, baited and raided dozens stores, found $50 M cash. Stores in the garment district would swap drug cash in LA for shipments of clothing to importers in Mexico who then pay cartels with pesos.

May be many more in other states I have not heard.

I am not trying to provoke hysteria, but the facts are there have been quite a few murders and kidnaps of US citizens in Mexico with not much LE's heat brought down, but the rate of major crimes is probably lower than in LOS Angeles or Riverside counties. Murder of federal agents like Enrique Camarena would bring down heat, but it took DEA over a decade to finally capture the 2 guys who did the murder. They could not pin the hit on El Chapo.

Murders and kidnaps of ordinary US citizens won't excite federal officials into taking quick, serious actions. State Department already warned travelers of Mexico.

[RikyMichaels7]

I'm going to have to disagree here. If the kidnapping of an American results in some type of gain, financial or otherwise, cartel leaders will be all for it. A few American citizens getting killed in Mexico will elicit absolutely zero USA Federal response. None. There's been several killings of Americans in Tijuana the past few years and the American federal government did absolutely nothing about it.

I have to agree with LuvMexicans. Let me give you an example to add a little perspective. A few years back, I was with a friend of mine that lived in Nuevo Laredo. One night, both of us went to a bar in NL where live music was being played. I ventured to the rear of the bar to use the restroom. I momentarily stopped to listen to the band, prior to entering the restroom. A local looked at me and asked me what I was looking at. I replied, I am looking at the band. He responded by saying that I was looking at his girlfriend, of which I emphatically denied. As I turned to go to the restroom, he kicked me in my ass. And I mean hard. I grabbed him by the collar and told him to "chinga su madre. " We were immediately broken up by the bouncer, who walked me back to the other side of the bar and told me that I didn't want anything to do with this guy cause he is cartel. I walked back to where my friend was standing and told him what happened. He became very upset and asked me to point the guy out, of which I did. My friend said, I know this guy. He walked over to him and threw a punch and knocked him out. I begged him for us to leave the bar, of which we did. He called me the following Monday and said that this guy's boss, of whom he also knew, just about had him killed. That it is a no no to mess with gringos and bring unneeded attention. He also assured my friend that I would not have any future problems coming to this bar. That I would be protected.

[GoodQuestions]

Great point. I have said the same thing. Also, when guys travel to these far away destination, they leave out travel expenses. I know a lot of guys lie and exaggerate, I lived in one of these destinations, the details they leave out in there reports blows my mind.

You also have to figure your time. Time is money and if you spend 2-3 days traveling that adds a tremendous amount to your trip. My last couple of trips to Moscow I had major delays. The airlines compensated some, but I was still out of pocket money. Not to mention missing additional work. Also, some of these guys are on the commuter 2-3 hours a day researching, they forgot to mention this.

Yup is all about detailed reports. You learn a lot from guys who don't leave out the important stuff. I've crossed the Atlantic three times with my buddies. Two out of three times I got sick so I'the like to say it isn't worth it for me. I blame it on being cold inside the plane. And two out of three times we went to three different countries each time. I've been exhausted and unable to adjust to the time zone. Last year we were waiting for our plane to go to Barcelona at Charles De Gaulle and my buddy calls me over so I can call a casa.

Inside the plane my buddy is looking at puta sites and is making me laugh. I told him that my head is hurting from all this research and he agrees. I'll never forget being at Paseo de las Delicias, 127 in Madrid. Is a building with four floors of chicas. Inside is like a maze with chicas everywhere. I ran into this chica and tells me sarcastically that she likes my enthusiasm. I felt all drugged from the medication. That day I could barely fuck two chicas, I ran out of euros, I ran out of gas, and I didn't even pop. On our way to Europe I was like I'm going to run through that building but I was so wrong. My buddies have brought up the fact that going with chicas overseas takes a lot of time from doing other things.

[GoodQuestions]

Guys are constantly saying what they paid for a girl on this forum. Your correct about the names I guess for a little privacy but it would be interesting to see what a girl is charging other people.

I disagree on the guys are constantly posting how much they paid the chica. I've read guys writing how they got everything bareback, they made their chica cum a million times, they made sweet love to them, and that the chica enjoyed it, and so on. At the end I feel fooled for reading all that and there's no chica name and no damage reported. I'the like to know if the chica is too pricey for those services or how she will lie to my face when she says she doesn't do those things.

[LuvMexicanas]

I'm going to have to disagree here. If the kidnapping of an American results in some type of gain, financial or otherwise, cartel leaders will be all for it. A few American citizens getting killed in Mexico will elicit absolutely zero USA Federal response. None. There's been several killings of Americans in Tijuana the past few years and the American federal government did absolutely nothing about it.

Can you state the specific killings of Americans in Tijuana BY the cartel?

[ClamSlammer]

Your point is well taken. I'll expound on it with an opinion. If I were a cartel leader and someone in my organization kidnapped, executed or otherwise targeted an American, that someone would see a six feet deep hole in the desert. The reason is it's simply bad for business and perhaps even more so now with Trump. I'll explain. The cartels have to know that any harm to an American will illicit a response and perhaps a severe one.

I'm going to have to disagree here. If the kidnapping of an American results in some type of gain, financial or otherwise, cartel leaders will be all for it. A few American citizens getting killed in Mexico will elicit absolutely zero USA Federal response. None. There's been several killings of Americans in Tijuana the past few years and the American federal government did absolutely nothing about it.

[KPlayer]

I posted it in other forums, broadcasting here for more eyes.

During these critical time specially for WGs, I feel I should support one of the girls I met last year in Tijuana. She was particularly nice to me not just in bed but otherwise too. The problem is I deleted all the contact info I had back then. No Whatsapp backup, No other form of interaction history, and to top it all I even forgot her name (burying face in hands).

But I still feel the urge to do something, so I am posting it here to get any idea or may be contact of someone who may have contact of that chica. Here is what I know:

She was working in Maria Bonita MP in May last year. She was short and plump, huge tits. Her name was something like Tia or tinny. I thought of calling Maria Bonita but not sure if that is a good idea.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks brethren,

Kplayer.