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  1. #12949

    Girl walking in Cascada's hallway

    Man. That's a very nice, tight butt and long, shapely, sexy legs with her tight slender body. I could make love to her many times all night and never had enough.

    I always like girls with long black hair like this girl. They look so exotic, sweet, sexy, inviting that make me feel sexy. I like Madeleine Stowe's pretty face with her soft, gentle looks in the movie "Revenge. " The movie has a stupid story line with Kevin Kostner, a Navy F-14 pilot, who penetrated Mexico airspace for fun, and somehow became close friend with a drug cartel boss, Anthony Quinn. But it has some very hot, sensuous love making scenes and M S in quick nude frames, worth watching.

    Did find a few girls in Tijuana's clubs and streets, as pretty and good-looking as Madeleine Stowe. Krystal looks just like her, right down to her slender body with light skin, pretty face, flowing red lips, small perky, conical A cups with tiny pink nipples. I wear myself out in bed with these sweet, pretty, gentle, trusting, hot chicas. Krystal would always try to prolong the session as much as she can, whimpering, moaning, thrashing her head with her eyes close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caprese7  [View Original Post]
    Here are a few additional photo highlights from the trip a couple weeks back.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Girl Walking through Cascadas Hallway.jpg‎  

  2. #12948
    Quote Originally Posted by Hargow20  [View Original Post]
    Has anyone had much experience parking at the Outlet center. ? Personally I do not trust parking there. My guess is that they are towing cars. I come back around 10:30 pm and there was still many cars parked there.
    I have used it with no problems. But only for daytime runs where I know I'll be back before the mall closes. I would not trust it for leaving my car there an hour or more after the mall closes.

  3. #12947
    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    Taxis would still be running at night correct?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    I do technically have money to stay at Cascadas but would rather not spend it. Would I really be able to have a girl stay longer than the h / h if I got my own room?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    &I I wouldn't have to pay the room fee I'm guessing.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    Also guessing leyva is not directly on la calle,
    Yes, Hotel Leyva is on Constitution, half a block north of Constitution's intersection with Coahuila Ave. Hotel Leyva is inside LZ, a three minute walk from Adelitas Bar and a four minute walk from HK. No need to get a taxi. On the weekends Hotel Leyva charges a little more than Mon-Thurs, and they're always changing their rates. Right now I think their cheapest single room on the weekends might run 390 or 420 pesos plus 25 pesos refundable key deposits. Their double rooms these days might be around 490 to 525 p (I'll find out later this month).

  4. #12946

    Recent Trip. Two Weeks Ago (A few additional photo highlights).

    Here are a few additional photo highlights from the trip a couple weeks back.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Lunch at Giuseppes.jpg‎   Girl Walking through Cascadas Hallway.jpg‎   La Gloria Bar.jpg‎   At Hotel Ticuan.jpg‎   Entering Caliente Casino.jpg‎  

    Room at Ticuan.jpg‎   Slots at Caliente Casino.jpg‎   Dogs for the First Race.jpg‎   Quesadillas and Beer.jpg‎   Race 6 Tickets.jpg‎  


  5. #12945

    Recent Trip: Two Weeks Ago (Just got the chance to Post)

    Just posting this now as I have been quite, quite busy upon my return to the States. Invited a couple of friends from the Bay area to join me and figured I would post a trip report. I picked them up at the Long Beach Airport simply because I was there the night before and they wanted to visit Del Mar Racetrack on the way down. We left Del Mar after the fourth race and ended up at San Ysidro around 5:30 or 6 pm. This worked out just fine as it was still well over 1 to 2 hours before it would get dark. Crossing over was a breeze and the looks on their faces were priceless. Especially when we got into the taxi. This was the first time that I actually had to "wait" in a taxi line. It took around 10 minutes since it was just past the 5 pm hour and everyone was returning from their work days in the USA We made our way through the city and over to the 'Zona to Cascadas where my friends and I were greeted by 3 ladies at the main entrance. Smiles on their faces from ear to ear. Still, they both seemed a bit tired from the trip and one of them was feeling a bit ill with a possible touch of Bronchitis. Still, he wanted to make the visit to Tijuana for the first time. We got to our rooms and we all rested for an 45 minutes or so, until I made may way across the street to the Caliente Sports Book (no Wendy present. Evening hours) and made a couple wagers on the 7:05 MLB games. Upon returning, friend "A" (the non-sick friend) suggested we head to the balcony and grab some beers. So, we went to the XXXOOO store (always forget the name) and bought a 6-pack of "Sol". Little did we know, after we landed on the balcony at Cascadas (friend "be" was still resting) we took a swig and practically spit it out. It was "Sol con Clamato. ". Yikes. Not the best purchase. So, we went back and bought another 6-pack - without Clamato. After enjoying the view and observing a walker who was taking her clothes off in the street while wearing some sort of grey hood on her head. Bizarre world. We decided to walk to block so I could show friend "A" the area. After 20-30 minutes, we returned and friend "be" was up and ready to roll. Everyone was a bit hungry so we grabbed a bite to eat next door at the Azul. They had steaks and I had rice and soup. We then walked friend "be" (sick) around a bit to see the street girls and by this time it was around 9:30 or 10 pm. I was getting in the mood to head to Tropical, or La Gloria or even Adelitas. I figured I would saved HK for the next night. All of a sudden, friend "be" mentions that he needs a bit more rest and we took him back to Cascadas. BUT, to our shock, he grabbed a girl at the entrance (a bit heavy for my taste, but right up his alley) and he asked me to ask her (en espanol) how much it would be to take her to the room. $40 later, he was walking down the hall to his room as friend "A" and I followed to our rooms. Refer to photo provided below. That night, friend "be" did his thing and rested until about 2 am when he found friend "A" and I at the Adelitas Bar which is (in my opinion) slowly becoming one of the better spots around. I must mention that prior to this, friend "A" (is this confusing the heck out of everyone?) and I were just at the Tropical Bar and I was with a girl that was sliding up and down the dancers pole from ceiling to floor, and back to my lap. She offered to go in the private room where friend "A" had gone to with his girl. He returned with a smirk and told me he was $60 lighter, but it was worth it. We then made our way to Adeitas. The night closed at Adelitas as I did have the opportunity to sit and talk to a certain girl in a teal dress that I wanted to talk to the past couple of trips. She was a bit boring for my taste. We all left at 5 am and crashed.

    The next day was basically the same except we had lunch at "Caesar's" (definitely worth trying for those who like salads) on Avenida Revolucion. We then walked around and friend "be" wanted to see a doctor. So, now what? Well, I found one next to a giant Pharmacia on Ave Revolucion (see photos below for prices etc.). The wait was 30 minutes, so we went and grabbed a couple beers at a place BaxterSlade introduced me to a while back, then returned for the appointment. I went into the office wih friend "be" who was sick so I could translate for him. The doctor diagnosed him with Bronchitis and gave hime a couple of prescriptions. The visit cost roughly $4 or (80 pesos) from what I remember and the medicines were about 5 times as much. Still, a very good deal. I also found the Doctor's assistant at the front desk quite attractive and inquired what time she worked until. She gave a lovely latina smile in return. Was definitely a turn-on. We then made our way back to our rooms and I decided to walk around a bit and to make a few more bets at Caliente across the street. We then all decided to eat at a place on the corner next to the Tropical Bar and enjoyed the Fajitas with beer and cokes. The server and I had fun (she was adorable) as we played songs on the juke box. Later, we made our way into the Hong Kong Club to show friend "be" the place as he said he was already beginning to feel better. We found a terrific seat next to the ladies restroom upstairs overlooking the dancers. After a couple of beers and a few walk-throughs, we then headed over to Las Chavelas for a bit and friend "B" found another girl standing near Cascadas on the way to Chavelas and took her upstairs. We didn't see him for hours as friend "A" and I went to La Gloria Bar so I could find the one chica that I always look forward to seeing. Friend "A" found the girls to be so-so and said he was getting tired and was going back to the room to rest. This gave me 3 to 4 hours at La Gloria with my own private booth and my mesero whom I have known for well over a year now brought the girl to me. We drank a couple of buckets of beer (I was out about $100 and didn't really care). The DJ was playing music per my request and the girl and I danced a bit. It was fun, but she. Well. There is a communication barrier which made things difficult as always. She speaks really fast and my Spanish is marginal to decent at best. Still, I had fun and went back to my room around 5 am. Still, I had yet to be with a girl as I was primarily focused on my friends having a good time.

    The third (3rd) day we headed to Hotel Ticuan for the night. However, we were leaving on Saturday AM around 2 am. Lunch that day was at Giussepe's on Avenida Revolucion which everyone enjoyed. Both friends A and be liked the hotel and felt much more comfortable there as the beds were softer and the place was basically cleaner with more amenities. As they rested a bit, I went next door to the Caliente Sports Book and bet every single game of the day. About 10 games. LOL. I went 7-3 which was decent. Upon returning, I did some work on the laptop, listened to some music and rested a bit. We all agreed to meet at 6:30 pm so that we could go visit the giant Caliente Casino and Racetrack (Hippodrome) about 15 minutes away. We took a taxi and arrived a bit before 7 pm as there was some traffic. We walked around the casino a bit and friend "be" decided to play some Roulette for a while as friend "A" and I went out to the dog track (next to the soccer field) to look at the dogs for the first race at 7:45 pm. He enjoyed the atmosphere and the weather was terrific. I mentioned that the #8 dog at 4/1 would be dangerous if he broke well out of the trap, and we both decided to bet on that dog. Friend "be" returned just before the race (see photo of the dogs on the track below) and he insisted on dog #2 at 25/1. The final result was 8-4-6-1. We cashed out tickets and decided to get a table overlooking the track inside the sports betting area. They accept both pesos and dollars and charge a small tax on winnings. There are three pits (table game areas) and both fine and casual / table-side dining at the race area. We stayed for all 14 races and, ate some delicious quesadillas with salsa and fries (see photos) and ended up winning about $300 on the night. After leaving around 11 pm, we took a taxi back to Hotel Ticuan and friend "be" said he wanted to rest a couple hours before heading to the ligna. I mentioned that was a good idea. Friend "A" was asking about "Las Pulgas" bar nextdoor, and he mentioned he might stroll over there. I said that I was going to go for a last bit of fun and head into a taxi to the 'Zona to find one of my regular street girls. I was not sure if she would be there, but lo and behold. There she was as I walked down the street after exiting the taxi. By this time it was 12 am and I figured I had about and hour at most before I needed to head back. We chatted for a minute (oh, and friend "A" stayed at Ticuan to rest also) and she and I then made our way upstairs. I asked if she remembered me and she said "Yes". Well. "Si". I said, "Ok, what do you remember?" She hit the nail on the head and told me exactly what we did and how long ago. She even told me where I was from. Very impressive. We had a good time in the room as we really didn't agree on a price. She knows my style. Basically, as she does her thing, I flip money all over her body and on the bed. She eyes it and laughs and gets back to the fun times at hand. 40 minutes later we just talked and she turned he fan on towards me as I put my clothes back on. We agreed to meet again in 6 weeks or so and she said that she would go to Cascadas with me. So, that's what will happen I imagine. As I returned to the hotel, I rang my friend's rooms and they were just waking up. Let's keep in mind here that I had very, very little rest on the trip, BUT - - and I advise that those who go there and plan to drink quite a bit and stay up long hours. Definitely consume a lot, and I mean a LOT OF WATER. Do this and you will not be sorry. I felt pretty darn good the whole time even though I had a long, long drive back home. We decided not to take the new "PED WEST" as it sounded like a mess. The drop-off point in relation to the car, the not-knowing where it is. And everything else considering we had luggage / baggage. The taxi took us to the ligna and there was only a 10 to 15 minute wait. We entered the building on the right just before the turnstiles (am guessing that people here have already discussed this) and it was an easy flow right on through to the other side. We exchanged out pesos to dollars, marched 5 minutes to the car, then. The 805 to LONG BEACH AIRPORT for friend "A" and "be"s 6:15 am flight. They said that they had a blast and would definitely go again and possibly visit Rosarito or even Ensenada if there is time.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Taxi Ride into the Zona-min.jpg‎   Checking In at Cascadas-min.jpg‎   View from Cascadas - Tropical-min.jpg‎   HK girl at Azul-min.jpg‎   Saw These Somewhere-min.jpg‎  

    Friend B's First TJ Girl-min.jpg‎   Doctor Visit Rates-min.jpg‎   Operadora Medica Sign-min.jpg‎   Street Girl - Early PM-min.jpg‎   Sol con Clamato-min.jpg‎  


  6. #12944
    Quote Originally Posted by BaxterSlade  [View Original Post]
    As far as the taxi. No problem finding a taxi at any hour in Tijuana. The ting I have not figured out yet is how safe it is getting to Ped West in the night time. Because the taxi can not really drop you off right at the entry point to Ped West.

    As far as the hotel you bring up a good point. If you are planning on bringing SG's or girls from HK, LC, BT. Or LM you should factor in the cost of paying for an additional room fee and the dreaded knock. Whereas if you are at Cascadas you can use your own room at no additional charge, with the only time restriction being whatever you work out with the girl. There is also Hotel Rizzo de Oro and the hotel above La Malquerida which will give you the same benefits at a slightly better rate. Leyva is only 1/2 block walk off the beaten path but you may have trouble getting girls to go there.

    I plan on being down Saturday night to watch the UFC fight and might stay Sunday night depending on how things go. Not sure where we will watch the fight. But a good chance it will be a bar like La Gloria, La Carretta or Tropical.
    True you're right, guess it'll be Pedeast to exit then.

    Wow I didn't realize actually that I could take SG's to my Cascadas room. Or Rizzo de oro and Malquerida. I thought I'd have to stick with HK girls to get the extended room benefit at cascadas. I plan on SG's more anyways. I was under the impression that paraditas are attached to a certain hotel, and have to take their clientele their. If they can actually go to Cascadas or Rizzo I'll definitely stay at one of those.

    I saw clips of that press conference earlier today hahah. I've been waiting for this fight for a while, I'll have to be down there during that fight. These LA bars all charging too much for each person. If you find out what bar you'll watch it at feel free to let me know, I'll take a stop by there.

  7. #12943
    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for your response Baxter, very appreciated.

    Taxis would still be running at night correct? I plan on taking one to pedeast or pedwest (whichever I choose to exit from).

    I do technically have money to stay at Cascadas but would rather not spend it. Would I really be able to have a girl stay longer than the h / h if I got my own room? &I I wouldn't have to pay the room fee I'm guessing.

    Also guessing leyva is not directly on la calle, approximate walking time (or taxi if it's too far) from HK would be appreciated, and I'll find the address through the Internet.

    Will you be there both Friday and Saturday? But yeah I understand. HM maybe somehow I'll bump into you if you're at HK, or at a specific bar like kowloon.
    As far as the taxi. No problem finding a taxi at any hour in Tijuana. The ting I have not figured out yet is how safe it is getting to Ped West in the night time. Because the taxi can not really drop you off right at the entry point to Ped West.

    As far as the hotel you bring up a good point. If you are planning on bringing SG's or girls from HK, LC, BT. Or LM you should factor in the cost of paying for an additional room fee and the dreaded knock. Whereas if you are at Cascadas you can use your own room at no additional charge, with the only time restriction being whatever you work out with the girl. There is also Hotel Rizzo de Oro and the hotel above La Malquerida which will give you the same benefits at a slightly better rate. Leyva is only 1/2 block walk off the beaten path but you may have trouble getting girls to go there.

    I plan on being down Saturday night to watch the UFC fight and might stay Sunday night depending on how things go. Not sure where we will watch the fight. But a good chance it will be a bar like La Gloria, La Carretta or Tropical.

  8. #12942
    Quote Originally Posted by BaxterSlade  [View Original Post]
    Thanks Jackie for a fine final trip report. At least until your next report. So if the Captain is not going anywhere I guess the rumors that you and the captain are the same person may not be true.

    Could you please report on the time of day you left and if you experienced any delays. With the 2 ped options to exit Tijuana any intel we can gather from members may help us out.

    Stay safe and I have enjoyed the humor you add to your reports over the years.
    Last Tuesday I left at 10 pm. There were about 10 people in the PedEast line. It went very quick. This Tuesday I left at 11 pm. There was no one in the PedEast line. What was interesting was that the Border Patrol operated on a skeleton crew, supplemented by private security. Border Patrol wore blue, private wore grey. I guess the main crew was working Pedawest. I have no idea where to park had I used the PedWest return. I'm sure that Towing companies are licking their chops.

  9. #12941
    Quote Originally Posted by BaxterSlade  [View Original Post]
    I think the walk from when you exit Pedwest to Jacks is 0. 6 miles about 12 minute walk.

    Crossing at night my only safety concern would be the walk to the pedwest bridge. SanYsidro will be ok as long as you don't mind the walk.

    As far as a cheap room in the zona, all depends what you are willing to sacrifice. I prefer to spend the extra money and stay at Cascadas and be in the heart of the action with A / see and a safe being important. Some of my amigos who are on a budget have been using Leyva.

    I will be down this weekend and would consider meeting up to share intel and brush up on my spanish. However it is hard to plan on meeting up unless you pay the $20 fee so you are able to send and recieve PM 's.
    Thank you for your response Baxter, very appreciated.

    Taxis would still be running at night correct? I plan on taking one to pedeast or pedwest (whichever I choose to exit from).

    I do technically have money to stay at Cascadas but would rather not spend it. Would I really be able to have a girl stay longer than the h / h if I got my own room? &I I wouldn't have to pay the room fee I'm guessing.

    Also guessing leyva is not directly on la calle, approximate walking time (or taxi if it's too far) from HK would be appreciated, and I'll find the address through the Internet.

    Will you be there both Friday and Saturday? But yeah I understand. HM maybe somehow I'll bump into you if you're at HK, or at a specific bar like kowloon.

  10. #12940
    Quote Originally Posted by DRango  [View Original Post]
    Hello fellow mongers,

    Getting ready to execute my first trip to la zona this weekend or next, still undecided. I will be driving down from LA. Should I park at J in the be lot? Or somewhere else. Planning on staying only a day or one over night max. Also does anyone know how far the walk from Ped wear to JB lot is? Might be crossing back at night.

    You guys on this forum have given me so much valuable info (I've been following for a year or so). So for that I'd like to thank you all. I'd like to meet someone if possible down there as I'm going by myself. I can buy a beer, or help you on your Spanish as I do speak. I will be going alone for my first so definitely trying to meet people.

    Also one last question: if I do stay at night, where's the most cost effective living quarters? Only need the basics and am trying to save money.

    Thank you all, hope to share my first trip report with you all.
    I think the walk from when you exit Pedwest to Jacks is 0. 6 miles about 12 minute walk.

    Crossing at night my only safety concern would be the walk to the pedwest bridge. SanYsidro will be ok as long as you don't mind the walk.

    As far as a cheap room in the zona, all depends what you are willing to sacrifice. I prefer to spend the extra money and stay at Cascadas and be in the heart of the action with A / see and a safe being important. Some of my amigos who are on a budget have been using Leyva.

    I will be down this weekend and would consider meeting up to share intel and brush up on my spanish. However it is hard to plan on meeting up unless you pay the $20 fee so you are able to send and recieve PM 's.

  11. #12939

    Jackie

    Thanks Jackie for a fine final trip report. At least until your next report. So if the Captain is not going anywhere I guess the rumors that you and the captain are the same person may not be true.

    Could you please report on the time of day you left and if you experienced any delays. With the 2 ped options to exit Tijuana any intel we can gather from members may help us out.

    Stay safe and I have enjoyed the humor you add to your reports over the years.

  12. #12938

    1st trip

    Hello fellow mongers,

    Getting ready to execute my first trip to la zona this weekend or next, still undecided. I will be driving down from LA. Should I park at J in the be lot? Or somewhere else. Planning on staying only a day or one over night max. Also does anyone know how far the walk from Ped wear to JB lot is? Might be crossing back at night.

    You guys on this forum have given me so much valuable info (I've been following for a year or so). So for that I'd like to thank you all. I'd like to meet someone if possible down there as I'm going by myself. I can buy a beer, or help you on your Spanish as I do speak. I will be going alone for my first so definitely trying to meet people.

    Also one last question: if I do stay at night, where's the most cost effective living quarters? Only need the basics and am trying to save money.

    Thank you all, hope to share my first trip report with you all.

  13. #12937

    1st trip

    Hello fellow mongers,

    ou can call me the or Rango for short.

    I've been following this and the USA thread for a long time (yr or two) and have found a lot of useful information, so thank you all for that. I am hoping my first visit will be filled with lovely putas and some cool guys I can share a beer with.

    I'll be going for my first time by myself, this weekend or next and just wanted to ask a couple final questions.

    Does anyone want to recommend me a place to stay? Not trying to spend much, as I want most of money to go to the experiences. Anything for the most part is fine, hopefully reasonably close to la zona.

    Also should I park at J in the be? Is that about the only options nowadays? I how much would that cost overnight from a Friday to Saturday or Thursday to Friday?

    Any other information you guys want to share, please feel free.

    In exchange I'll buy some of you a beer, or help those of you who don't speak much Spanish. I can talk to whoever you want.

    I'm pretty young, but have traveled a lot on my own and usually gravitate to an older crowd anyways.

    If anyone wants to join me from LA, SD (as I'm passing through there) or in Tijuana just let me know. It'll be a real ride from LA so if anyone is up for it let me know.

  14. #12936

    Tues Trip 8/9/16

    Well my transfer paperwork went through and I am on my way to a job to the East Coast where I will have plenty of opportunity to boink barrel-shaped women with exceptionally high IQ with smaller breasts than me. I went on to Facebook for the region to verify my fears only to make it through only 1 page before logging off in depression. East Coast women need to wear more makeup and visit Ben & Jerry less. I may have to indulge in an unsafe level of Viagra to avoid erectile dysfunction by natural non-interest. Therefore, I made a trip to the Zona because I wanted to spend some time with some chicas on my California bucket list.

    My normal path is that I get one sure GFE girl, and one gorgeous girl. That way I am sure to be satisfied even if the gorgeous one turns out to be a dud. Therefore, the first stop was Vampire Wendy. After reading the outstanding review on her, I figured that she was a sure thing in bed. However, the reality is that performance is tied to chemistry. While not a starfish, she was close to being one. So to gentleman who had a great time with her a short time back, it's not her. It's you. She personally liked you a lot. And that was why she rocked your world. For the rest of us, I dunno. She had zero chemistry with me. Maybe it was also me. She is definitely not the tall blonde I generally obsess over. And I have to admit that while hovering over her in doggy, I did consider ending it early so that I can find "my type" of women to enjoy. Nevertheless I stuck to it and delivered like a trooper. Don't ever say I'm not a romantic.

    After about 2 hours to mellow out, the next stop was (sorry, I can't give out her real name) one of the hottest chicas in HK, a tall blonde. I have never taken this one upstairs because I've always thought that she was a trophy girl. Gorgeous, yet sometimes over the top with the flirting, you know the type, sexy in the club, turns into a starfish the moment she enters your room. However, since I was leaving for at least 4 years, I accepted that she was going to be a trophy starfish. Wrong again. Like I said sometimes there's just chemistry between people. Once we got to my room, she grabbed my phone, put in the HK pass code, and turned on Mexican love music via youtube. She freaking rocked my world! I don't think I've ever been fucked so hard in missionary before. If I did her any harder, I'd be in the back of her. She spent about 2 hours in my room. She just wanted to go on, and on, and on with the screwing. Used me as her human fuck doll.

    BTW, the great thing about the VIP card and your own room is that you get the girl for up about to two hours for the price you generally pay for a half-hour. This luxury is pretty incredible and difficult to explain in words. At the 2 hour mark, the club sends a waiter upstairs to bring the girl back down unless you want to buy fichas for her. I suspect that you can get around this by giving the waiter several dollars and tell him to get lost for an hour. Mexican rules are very loosy-goosy.

    On the way back, I used the East Ped because the West Ped is from that notorious dark bridge with little lighting. I suspect that they will increase security and lighting in the near future. Anyways, I didn't want a mugging to contaminate some of my last memories of the lovely Tijuana before I leave.

  15. #12935
    Quote Originally Posted by Hargow20  [View Original Post]
    Has anyone had much experience parking at the Outlet center. ? Personally I do not trust parking there. My guess is that they are towing cars. I come back around 10:30 pm and there was still many cars parked there.
    There are a few off street parking spots near the outlet center. But these are taken up pretty fast. Not sure of the times you are allowed to park, but if you are getting back early (before 10 PM) that might be an option?

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