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[Bunky]

The only thing I want to add is another $20 for drinks.

I left this out of my original cost estimate because it varies so widely among guys. I don't make it to the Zona Norte nearly as often as I'd prefer. So when I'm out and about I spend freely on drinks (for me and the ladies); on tips (for all and sundry); and on miscellaneous entertainment like private dances at the Hong Kong Club. Somebody who visits more often, or somebody who does not imbibe might only drop a fraction of what I usually spend.

So your $95 session with BBBJ has crept up to $115 minus taxi to the border and trolley fare. Still a good deal for North America if you thoroughly enjoyed your session. What if you get a dud? Then you've spent $115 on a half hour of CBJ and whatever nonsense you could have gotten for $20/25 by an SW.

That is a different debate. The original poster is trying to decide between Miami and Tijuana. I argued that the well-established, above-board commercial sex scene in Tijuana makes it more likely he'll find value in the standard session with a girl he finds in the Adelita Bar or Hong Kong Club. As for the risk of a poor session with a dud, that's always a problem in the pay-for-play arena. I would submit that the risk of a poor session is actually higher in a place like Miami where the scene is underground. As every guy who has ever called an escort service will tell you, the quality varies BY A LOT. As for going with a street girl, might the original post also find value in the alley? Of course. But my experience is limited to the club girls so that's what I wrote about.

Bunky

[Sf Monger]

Been a long time reader and learnt my share of tricks from this forum. English aint my natural language but will try to make this mini-TR as consise and interesting as possible.

This was my 3rd visit to TJ and I start in San Jose(southwest) at 8:20am and reached TJ by 11:15am thats around 4 hours door-to-door. Use the airport-america plaza bus(992) and then trolley to san ysidro, round-trip $5(day-pass). Crossed the border went straight to the yellow-cab($5) and dropped off at Ade. Booked a room with TV(3rd floor) for the day($35+$5 deposit) and headed down to the floor.

Since this was a weekday(wednesday) morning, few girls(aounrd 10) but all them not my type(except two). Picked one(name is Mari) for 30 mins($60). Looks were 7, service was 8, Spoken English was 6, age was 22. She lives in mexicali came here recently for some extra dough. She says she is US citizen and travels often to Calexio and SD.

Wanted to checkout the HK Club, lots of police action on the street in front of AD. Like 8 cop cars and 2 cop pickups. They all seemed to be dressed for action with bullet vests and guns but they were just hanging out, may be just a show of force. Felt good that this was safe but then for a second thought there might be shootout with the gangs -, see the pics attached.

HK was much better over 30 younger ones and only about 20 guys. The waiters seem to flock at you and try to sell you the services with their commission. Just chatted with a waiter called 'Edwin' who spoke decent english. I tipped him $5 who helped me track a pole dancer. Looks 7, Service 6, English 1, 19 years. Went to the HK hotel with her for $60(she dint want to go below that, I tried the pesos thing but she still wanted 800 pesos). Decent session no rush. One thing I noticed in HK floor, they didnt have the girl on girl soap rub thing that day(atleast till 4pm).

Strolled over to Tropical across the street, 8-10 chicas. 2-3 my type offered 600 pesos for one but she wanted 800, bailed out of there.

Finally went to AD for the last round, I wanted a stunner, Jacklin who recognized me from the last time I was there. Looks 8, Service 8, English 5(pics attached). Wanted $60 and my junior didnt want to nego and here I go.... Great service, perky bbs and erect nipples. All covered and the chica was a clean freak, made me wash my hands after I handled money so that I can play with her p. She was good enough to let me take her pics at the end.

Showered up and headed back to the border at 4pm, was back at the airport by 5:40pm.

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[Sgt Perv]

There must be other options besides HK and AB.

There are escorts and Bar tropical. AB CC HK are the safest tourist bars.

BajaEscort - http://www.bajaescort.com/girls.htm
Chikkitas de Tijuana - http://chikkitasdtijuana.es.tl/Home.htm
Craigslist Tijuana - http://tijuana.es.craigslist.com.mx/ers/
Cumintj - http://cumintj.com
Eros Tijuana - http://www.erostijuana.com/
Hot Tijuana - http://www.HotTijuana.net
Live Latin Angels - http://www.livelatinangels.com/
Mexico Lindo Bar - http://mexicolindobar.com
Sex in Mex - http://www.sexinmex.com
Sexys Latinas - http://www.sexyslatinas.com
Sexy Tijuana - http://www.sexytijuana.com
Solo Divas - http://www.solodivas.com.mx
Tijuana Escort Service - http://www.tijuana-escort-service.com
Tijuana Girlz - http://www.tijuanagirlz.com
TJ-BadGirlz - http://tjbadgirlz.com
Wizdom Escorts - http://wizdomescorts.com

[Sound7]

HK, CC and AB fall into safe catagory for the price range of $85 with coupons (HK only) to $115 plus..

Yes, other option including SW exist at much lower price at greater possible personal safety concern.

There must be other options besides HK and AB.

[Artisttyp]

As the the Zona Norte itself, right now it's a total buyer's market. If he's in the market for a trophy fuck, the hottest girls at the Adelita Bar or Hong Kong Club will all go for $60. Add in $12 for the room, $1 for the robe rental (HKC only) and $1 for the room cleaner's teep and you've banged a hottie for less than $75. I just don't see how he's going to beat that in Miami. Moreover, as I've previously posted these days it is possible to negotiate for bareback blowjobs. Even if you pay an extra $20 for this service, in my book that's still a pretty good value.


Bunky

Excellent advice. The only thing I want to add is another $20(for drinks) or so on top of what you have already outlined. When I crunch numbers I add any expense that I might incur while I monger.

I personally do not like establsiments that sell drinks and sex. Thats where the hustling takes place.

So your $95 session with bbbj has crept up to $115 minus taxi to the border and trolley fare (buy a pass). Still a good deal for north america *IF you thoroughly enjoyed your session. What if you get a dud ? Then you've spent $115 on a half hour of CBJ and whatever nonsense you could have gotten for $20/25 by an SW. Obviously the girls are of different quality but to me *service crosses all boundries and in the long run thats what matters.

There must be other options besides HK and AB.

[Bunky]

Reading between the lines, I think the original poster is looking to use his expiring frequent flier miles to go on a simple holiday without spending a lot of extra money. So while I concede that international destinations have their charms, I suspect it would be more productive to answer the question that he put.

I reccommend the following: Book a flight to San Diego, which is apparently not that far from where the original poster lives. Then reserve a hotel room in Chula Vista, near the intersection of E Street and I-5. There are several to choose from. If he's on a budget the Motel 6 is serviceable and WAY nicer than most places in Tijuana that are recommended here. If he wants to spend a little more the Best Western South Bay and the Day's Inn are options. At the Best Western the king rooms on the second floor overlooking the pool are quite nice and represent a good value. If he's willing to spend the bucks for more amenities, the Comfort Inn & Suites offers king rooms and king suites that are very nice.

If he's a professional road warrior who has some free car rental days coming this might be a good way to redeem them. If he'd rather economize by taking public transit he can easily take the bus from the airport to the trolley and get off at the stop right there next door to the Best Western. And of course going back and forth to the border on the trolley is silly simple. Just be sure to finish up in Tijuana in time to catch the last northbound departure.

As the the Zona Norte itself, right now it's a total buyer's market. If he's in the market for a trophy fuck, the hottest girls at the Adelita Bar or Hong Kong Club will all go for $60. Add in $12 for the room, $1 for the robe rental (HKC only) and $1 for the room cleaner's teep and you've banged a hottie for less than $75. I just don't see how he's going to beat that in Miami. Moreover, as I've previously posted these days it is possible to negotiate for bareback blowjobs. Even if you pay an extra $20 for this service, in my book that's still a pretty good value.

Finally there is the hassle factor. I realize this is highly personal. What some guys think of as a giant pain in the neck other guys gaff off as part of the holiday adventure. But in my view the plan I've outlined has a very low hassle factor. The San Diego weather will be perfect, the ground transfers will simple, and the lodging will be comfortable. So everything north of the border will be conducive to relaxation. (Which, after all, is the whole point of the trip.) South of the border the pay-for-play scene is totally above-board and a known quantity. Everything he needs to know can be found in the Brockton O'Toole FAQ hosted here on the ISG. So rather than trolling the sticky underground in Miami, risking disappointment or even arrest, he can get laid without fear in the Zona Norte.

To me, it's a no-brainer.

Bunky

[Bunky]

Kudos to Wooterz for his excellent report describing a recent visit to the Hong Kong Club.

I see that the patrons are still being subjected to multiple scams and hustles. I think these have increased as Zona Norte patronage has decreased in the wake of the punk economy on both sides of the border. When business was brisk the girls and staff made plenty of money in the usual ways. But now that times are tough they've turned to nickel-and-dime stuff like unwanted snacks and unbidden photos.

Granted, these tactics are nowhere near as bad as the stuff we used to see in Avenida Revolucion clip joints -- like failing to make honest change, pickpocketing and men trying to pass for women. And the savvy patron who reads the traffic here can easily avoid getting scammed. But it is annoying to see the hustle factor at the Hong Kong Club increasing. I think this is going to hurt them in the long run because it's going to scare off the less experienced clientele from north of the border.

Bunky

[Artisttyp]

[QUOTE=Two Ravens]

You would do better to use your airline miles to go through Miami where paid sex is illegal and no doubt very expensive, and connect to Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, where the weather will be hot and dry and the girls will be hot and wet. Stay in Sosua, where you will be able to get by very well without Spanish. Have sex with as many beautiful 18-25 year olds as you wish for about US$40 a go--a bit more if you want them for the whole night

Thanks to both for the suggestions. I've been trying to keep the trip simple because I've got enough miles for one domestic flight. Travel to DR would require buying another ticket, plus a layover in Miami anyway due to poor connections from my home city. That actually sounds kind of doable, spend a couple days in Miami, then 4 or 5 in Sosua and back again.

Advantage of Tijuana is that it's just a short flight to San Diego, then just walk across the border to Zona Norte each day. Simple and sleazy!

I guess my choice comes down to just how decadent I want to be on this trip. Costa Rica, anyone?

If all you can do is "domestic" then your only options are one of the border towns. Pack very light and bring some rugged non descript clothing.

I strongly suggest you become a senior member for $20. That way people can communicate with you when you are there. You will find this very useful during your travels.

[SuperSteve]

Two Ravens

If you are thinking about Costa Rica, I would suggest another hours flight and going on to Colombia.

I have been to CR about eight times in the past three years. Last year I went to MDE for the first time, and I will not be going back to CR in the near future. Not only are the women more beautiful in Colombia, but offer very passionate sessions, even with an old f*rt like me. The cost is also less after you have arrived. I have another trip to MDE scheduled in November.

I agree on staying on the Mexican side of the border for your trip. There are several decent, clean, safe hotels on Ave. Revolucion. With the current exchange rate they can be had for less than $30.00 per night. Most rooms on the you. S, . Side are at least $49.00 per night, and then you have to factor $10.00 for cab fares, time getting to and from, and through the linea.

Another option is the short time hotels that the clubs use. If they have space they will rent a room for about $35.00 per night.

Health and happiness to all.

[Sound7]

TJ has many hotels to avoid the daily trek.

Advantage of Tijuana is that it's just a short flight to San Diego, then just walk across the border to Zona Norte each day

[Two Ravens]

[QUOTE=Frannie]You would do better to use your airline miles to go through Miami where paid sex is illegal and no doubt very expensive, and connect to Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, where the weather will be hot and dry and the girls will be hot and wet. Stay in Sosua, where you will be able to get by very well without Spanish. Have sex with as many beautiful 18-25 year olds as you wish for about US$40 a go--a bit more if you want them for the whole night

I'd say it depends what you are looking for. I've been to both places numerous times.

DR :

-Nice dark meat
-Reasonable prices for hotel room action vs $5 SW hotels in TJ
- If you are willing to spend money scuba golf and other outdoor activities are at your disposal.
-Nice beach in sosua. Although seeing the crowds during the weekend might turn you off.
-Hotel prices are getting pricey.
-IMHO if all you want is booze and sex fine. If you have the money for drivers and activites sosua could be alot more fun.
-Others will debate me on this but IMHO the food sucks and at US prices.


TJ :

-Best mexican food hands down is in san diego and texas !
- More latin/indian women vs the DR which has a more african heritage..although you will see other type of mixes but not as many.
- No hotel action for $40..NO WAY
- You will need to negotiate a little harder for services although the DR can be just as bad depending on who you choose. There are more desperate women in the DR IMHO. You can get some good bargins
- If you are young looking maybe cops would be a problem or rather an annoyance. You can "let go" a little more in the DR. TJ is more watching your back.
_ Excellent shopping. You could take care of xmas gifts(leather) and still come out with money in your pocket.
- More dangerous IMHO

There is more but this is a general outlook.

I really like sosua but I've been avoiding it lately. Partly due to increased hotel prices but also "been there done that" and there isn't much for me that is affordable to do on my down time. The food gets very boring as well.

It is a must visit at least once though.

Forget that miami exists besides the airport. The rest is worthless...the 80's are long over.

Thanks to both for the suggestions. I've been trying to keep the trip simple because I've got enough miles for one domestic flight. Travel to DR would require buying another ticket, plus a layover in Miami anyway due to poor connections from my home city. That actually sounds kind of doable, spend a couple days in Miami, then 4 or 5 in Sosua and back again.

Advantage of Tijuana is that it's just a short flight to San Diego, then just walk across the border to Zona Norte each day. Simple and sleazy!

I guess my choice comes down to just how decadent I want to be on this trip. Costa Rica, anyone?

[Party God]

Thank you sir! I am glad to once again see an actual trip report instead of all the chatter.

Hola to my fellow mongers, I have another TR to share. Kick off the shoes, dim the lights, and grab some popcorn because daddy has a story to tell. I took the ~90 mile drive down to TJ on Sunday at 11:55PM, avoiding all traffic. I arrived at the $5 border parking at 1:00AM exactly, walked over, and hitched a cab to Hong Kong Club. I decided to change things up this time, Adelitas Bar chicas were getting boring and I needed a change. Inside, the place was still jumping with a good amount of mongers/chicas. I took a seat close to the back of the club and this older (than me), hoodrat-looking woman approached me. I wasn't really into her but she wouldn't get off my nuts so I put up with her. She wanted to do a threesome with me and one of her other friends who I wasn't feeling either and I declined about 1000 times. Her negotiations went from $100 to $90 to $80 and so on until she hit $50. I've had enough experience with these places to know better, no way in hell would I go for this even if she offered it to me for free.

Next up, a waiter came by and the chica decided she wanted to order a beer. I gave in to get her off my back and I paid the guy with a $20. He comes back with my change, $10. WTF? I asked him wtf was going and he played dumb. Looks like this scum bag decided to add snacks on top of the beer. Now, any other time and I'd probably walk out the club, but I wasn't going to let a dollar or two throw me off. Next up, this waiter pulls out a camera and takes a picture. The picture was me in the middle with the girl on my left and her friend on my right. It was a pretty cool picture, then I realized I would probably have to pay for that too. I firmly rejected it and insisted that I didn't want it, even though it was a digital picture. They took the camera SD card and left with it. Thinking back, I'm still not sure what that was all about. They never asked me anything, they just did it. Anyways, the girl finally left and I got to relax. I scooped out the scene for a good 30 minutes and was pleased. The hot tub show was nice, the girls dancing on the poles were nice, the "edecanes" were cute, everything was legit. The clientele were much more "respectable" than most of the mongers I've seen at Adelitas. After some chit-chat with a couple ladies, I noticed a nice petite chica dancing on stage and immediately headed over. After the dance she came over and we talked. I was definitely feeling her and wanted sex. Her name started with a "B" or a "V" (I realize en Espanol, "B" sounds like "V") and she was from 1 hour away. Spoke no English, 21 years old, dos hijos with "dead-beat" dad, hey, what else is new? Pardon me, I'm starting to sound like Sound7 with the snide remarks that make no sense. Anyways, she quotes me at 700 and I started laughing. I knew she meant pesos but played dumb. She started laughing, remarking that she forgot I was an Americano with the almighty dollar. Damn, my Espanol isn't that good. I told her $60 and off we went. Now, one other thing I want to mention before I go on, prior to this conversation, while she was dancing, this random guy came up to me and asked me if I wanted cocaine. Weird.

We walk out the club, she puts the robe on, and this douche bag bouncer tells me I have to pay a dollar. I ask him, "para que?" and he says some shit that I didn't understand. There were two cops standing right next to him. I was pissed, and didn't want to pay it, but again I didn't want to make a scene so I basically crumbled up a dollar and smacked it in his hand. What exactly was that for? If it was to put the robe on, that's BS, because the girl put it on by herself and the guy did nothing. Anyways, we go next door and the hotel clerk asks me to sign in on the clipboard. For anyone wondering, you'll see me under "Ron Mexico," I'm not a dog killer though. Michael Vick references FTL.

Upstairs, we get ready and she undresses. I take off my boxers and she starts freaking out. I'm a pretty skinny guy and I think most chicks expect me to have a small package. Chica sees me and does this disbelief-giggle type thing. In Espanol, she remarks something along the lines of me being really horny and having a big package. I consider myself very average and I'm definitely not one to toot my own horn, but this is about the fourth time in a row that I've gotten similar remarks so I guess for my size, I'm sort of packing. That or these girls think we all have low self esteem. Helps to trim the forest too beforehand, that'll make you look like Peter North in no time! Anyways, the important details: tight, no foul odors, shaved, very enticing. We go in missionary for a little while and it's really tiring me out because the bed is so damn low and she is so small I have to squat. I turn her around for some doggie and this is were some issues arise. I have to reiterate, this chica was very petite. I was doing my "try to get it in as deep as you possibly can" routine and she was definitely not enjoying it. She had her hands on my thighs and was complaining for me to take it easy. I slowed down and we went back into some more mish. I finished in this position and we got cleaned up. We chit-chatted for a while and she definitely came off as very sweet. I almost forgot to pay her but she reminded me. I would definitely repeat with her. I hitched a Taxi Libre back to la linea and paid the guy with the only bill I had left in my pocket, a $10. When mongers on here suggest to use pesos, they tell you for a reason. I severely overpaid in many aspects, and I'm definitely going to avoid this from here on out.

Body: 8/10
Face: 8/10
Goods: 9/10
Personality: 9/10
Overall: 8/10

Stay safe.

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[Artisttyp]

You would do better to use your airline miles to go through Miami where paid sex is illegal and no doubt very expensive, and connect to Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, where the weather will be hot and dry and the girls will be hot and wet. Stay in Sosua, where you will be able to get by very well without Spanish. Have sex with as many beautiful 18-25 year olds as you wish for about US$40 a go--a bit more if you want them for the whole night.

I'd say it depends what you are looking for. I've been to both places numerous times.

DR :

-Nice dark meat
-Reasonable prices for hotel room action vs $5 SW hotels in TJ
- If you are willing to spend money scuba golf and other outdoor activities are at your disposal.
-Nice beach in sosua. Although seeing the crowds during the weekend might turn you off.
-Hotel prices are getting pricey.
-IMHO if all you want is booze and sex fine. If you have the money for drivers and activites sosua could be alot more fun.
-Others will debate me on this but IMHO the food sucks and at US prices.


TJ :

-Best mexican food hands down is in san diego and texas !
- More latin/indian women vs the DR which has a more african heritage..although you will see other type of mixes but not as many.
- No hotel action for $40..NO WAY
- You will need to negotiate a little harder for services although the DR can be just as bad depending on who you choose. There are more desperate women in the DR IMHO. You can get some good bargins
- If you are young looking maybe cops would be a problem or rather an annoyance. You can "let go" a little more in the DR. TJ is more watching your back.
_ Excellent shopping. You could take care of xmas gifts(leather) and still come out with money in your pocket.
- More dangerous IMHO

There is more but this is a general outlook.

I really like sosua but I've been avoiding it lately. Partly due to increased hotel prices but also "been there done that" and there isn't much for me that is affordable to do on my down time. The food gets very boring as well.

It is a must visit at least once though.

Forget that miami exists besides the airport. The rest is worthless...the 80's are long over.

[JPF]

We walk out the club, she puts the robe on, and this douche bag bouncer tells me I have to pay a dollar. I ask him, "para que?" and he says some shit that I didn't understand.

You paid $1 to "rent" the robe. That's standard HK BS but you have to pay.

At 700 pesos you would save money over $60 as long as the exchange rate is better than 11.67 which it has been for a long time.

Finally, you probably did buy some chips: $7 chica ficha drink + $3 chips = $10 but all you have to do is find them on the table and give them back to avoid the extra charge. Of course, if the chica has opened the bag by the time your change comes back you are SOL

[Frannie]

Hey all,

I have some airline miles that I'll be burning through in November and can't make up my mind where to go for a little fun. I'm thinking either Tijuana or Miami. So I am sort of taking a poll, as in, what would you do if you were me?

Miami sounds pretty good so far, from reading the posts it seems that plenty of SC action is available, which is kind of what I'm into. How's the escort scene? Where I live LE is extremely active so any play is very risky and very expensive. Is this the case in Miami as well? Also how's the weather in Miami in the first half of November?

Tijuana's advantage of course is that it's all legal and there's plenty to be had, but my Spanish is minimal at best and I enjoy a little conversation with the ladies. Also, many photos I've seen of the girls in Tijuana are sort of underwhelming. And while I'm not looking for bargain basement prices for this trip, still my money will go a lot further in Tijuana.

So, what are your opinions? Any suggestions for other USA Cities where the scene is even better?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions and opinions.

You would do better to use your airline miles to go through Miami where paid sex is illegal and no doubt very expensive, and connect to Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic, where the weather will be hot and dry and the girls will be hot and wet. Stay in Sosua, where you will be able to get by very well without Spanish. Have sex with as many beautiful 18-25 year olds as you wish for about US$40 a go--a bit more if you want them for the whole night.