General Reports

[Sunset Strip]

Why can't the powers at be in Mexico figure out that the problem is not with the people that go to party or vacation in Mexico, or with the Americans that share a common border with them, the problem is right there at home with the people that they have trusted with their health, safety, and welfare.

I assume this is what they refer to as a rhetorical question because you already answered it earlier. You have been dead-on correct about Mexicans blaming the US for its problems as a way of keeping the average citizens placated.

Back to mongering: I am going down tomorrow despite the fact you guys are making even me paranoid! Last week the door guy was sweeping the floor outside my room and dropped the broom causing me to jump off the girl in my nervous state.

TJ

[Member #4450]

What did the letter say?

[Double]

It is also interesting that you have made a reference to the note and failed to tell us what was on the note as well. Don't be like the US media, tell us what was on the note.......fill us all in.

I have a question, why would someone that lives in Chula Vista need to go to TJ to get drugs when Chula Vista has drugs some of the most connected drug dealers in the country living there? Why would a gang connectted dealer need to risk crossing the border with drugs when you can get them wholesale right there in Chula Vista.

Why can't the powers at be in Mexico figure out that the problem is not with the people that go to party or vacation in Mexico, or with the Americans that share a common border with them, the problem is right there at home with the people that they have trusted with their health, safety, and welfare.

However, I don't want to loose focus-what did the letter say?

Should we take the word of the heinous killers as to why the brutalized a group of teenagers?

[Amerioca]

Sunday mornining, enroute to SY, I briefly saw the headline of the Frontera newspaper. A cheif of police was whacked over the weekend.

The four were murdered because of association. The cartels take no prisoners. It's interesting how the US media does not report what was written on the letter left with the bodies.

[Efjayel]

young 18 and 19 yrs old nice school girls in the big drug business????
a lot of very young teens do cocaine and shit, that doesn't mean they're drug dealers, that's one of the reasons they go to tj for the **** drinking, party and to get high.

i didn't have the luxury of growing up with my zip code being 90210. i wasn't raised in the ghetto either. it was more a blue collar area. although, i did know of these two respectable and nice looking girls in my school who where in the drug trade. they where sellers. i don't know where they got their supply from though. could of been tj or they where being supplied by local traffickers. of course they followed the rule of "don't get high on your own supply." they where basically already getting somewhere with the drug business. i wonder what ever happened to them.

but yeah, these other high school girls that got murdered could have been in the same position and where simply trying to refill their supplies and things went horribly wrong. i haven't kept up to date on the murders but i don't think they've mentioned anything about the girls being raped.

[Sgt Perv]

"scurring off"? I'll ignore the insult.

And your vacant reply doesn't fool me, either, for it's the kind of statement someone makes when they cannot produce substance, I. E. When they don't know what they're talking about.

Of course, you can always prove that you do know what you're talking about by identifying at least one structure in Tijuana (besides Esmeralda's nipples) that has any architectural merit.

If my reply was "vacant", then where did you come up with architecture?

The place is full of old buildings, shops and bars. Open your eyes.

If I was really trying to BS you, google is my friend.

No matter what I say you will bat it down which I knew from the beginning.

If you are suggesting I have not spend time in Tijuana multiple times (since 2000) where I have walked and (stupidly) drove around, yeah OK think that.

Hell, I would love to see a real bull fight.

I have not got bored in Tijuana even with back to back 3-4 day stays with a 2 week gap. Being bored is a reflection on one's own limited mind.

[Member #4450]

i avoid walking near suspicious people. i try to stay behind them when i walk to keep an eye on them and if they are behind me i walk fast to get away from them or stop and act like i'm looking at my watch or cell, give myself enough time so they'll pass me. i always keep an extra pair of eyes on the back of my head.


i don't talk to anyone on the street. especially the scum who keep asking me if i am looking for a girl or if i need anything. i keep walking, they get the idea. i also ignore the barkers in front of the bars. the real persistent ones will put their arm on my back and try to direct me into the bar. i just tell them to talk to the hand and keep walking. some of the bars lose my business because of the barkers. if i want to try a bar, i will try it on my own free will and not because i'm being forced to go into them.

i don't think those 4 american teens were in the big business of drugs, they probably just got killed because they were in the wrong place saw something, or maybe a group of gang raped the girls and robbed the guys and then killed them?
young 18 and 19 yrs old nice school girls in the big drug business????
a lot of very young teens do cocaine and shit, that doesn't mean they're drug dealers, that's one of the reasons they go to tj for the **** drinking, party and to get high.

[Jackie888]

In my opinion, the Zona is one of the most heavily patrol areas in Tijuana. Even the cops there tend to behave themselves. I suspect that it's because the Zona is one of the most reliable money makers in Tijuana, and everyone gets a little piece of the action. And so each has a personal interest in watering the money tree.

It's the areas between the Zona & the border that is dangerous. So don't wander around particularly at night. If you can't help it, take the map listed on this site so you don't get lost.

[Pelongera]

Some people are better off with the scurrying off with a full belly.

Locals really appreciate it.

"scurring off"? I'll ignore the insult.

And your vacant reply doesn't fool me, either, for it's the kind of statement someone makes when they cannot produce substance, I. E. When they don't know what they're talking about.

Of course, you can always prove that you do know what you're talking about by identifying at least one structure in Tijuana (besides Esmeralda's nipples) that has any architectural merit.

[Efjayel]

You shouldn't be walking on the street, a car could hit you. The sidewalks are perfectly fine as long as you stay on the beaten paths.

I avoid walking near suspicious people. I try to stay behind them when I walk to keep an eye on them and if they are behind me I walk fast to get away from them or stop and act like I'm looking at my watch or cell, give myself enough time so they'll pass me. I always keep an extra pair of eyes on the back of my head.


I don't talk to anyone on the street. Especially the scum who keep asking me if I am looking for a girl or if I need anything. I keep walking, they get the idea. I also ignore the Barkers in front of the bars. The real persistent ones will put their arm on my back and try to direct me into the bar. I just tell them to talk to the hand and keep walking. Some of the bars lose my business because of the barkers. If I want to try a bar, I will try it on my own free will and not because I'm being forced to go into them.

[Bunky]

I am reading that it is a good time to go to TJ because it is a buyers market, but is it safe?

With regard to the four Americans who were victims of foul play on Friday the 15th, the word is they were messed up with the drug dealers. As are the VAST MAJORITY of the people who are involved in the rather sensational crime that gets so much media coverage. Moreover, as far as I know not one of these spectacular crimes has taken place in the Zona Norte.

So if you're not in the drug business and you stick to the zona norte you should be perfectly safe.

That said, I have seen some anecdotal reports indicating an uptick in low level street crime in Tijuana, such as purse snatchings and muggings. For visitors to the zona norte the main risk is the rateros, who are guys that sneak up behind you, apply the sleeper hold and then steal your valuables before you wake up. These guys were a problem back in the mid 90s, but then the police cracked down and they were not a serious threat for many years.

Lately, however, the turmoil in the ranks of the police department has reduced somewhat the number of officers on patrol and the vigor of those who are still on duty. So it would seem the rateros and other low lifes are enjoying a bit of a resurgance.

For the typical zona norte visitor the rateros are nothing to worry about. Just be sure to take a taxi back and forth from the border, and stick to the well-worn path between the big three clubs. Indeed, with the demise of the Chicago Club and the new entrance for the Hong Kong Club, it's possible to restrict your movements to about 40 feet of sidewalk, never even crossing the street.

If you must expand you movements in the zona, all the old rules apply. Keep you head on swivel, walk in the street, don't get too drunk and generally be street smart.

Bunky

[Libra 7474]

Bunky's report and his mentioning of a gorgeous Adelitas girl is taking me back to my earlier trip to Guadalajara and its beautiful women. There is a reason why in Mexico "las tapatias", as they are called, are considered to be the most beautiful. They truly are.

[Sgt Perv]

I am reading that it is a good time to go to TJ because it is a buyers market, but is it safe? I read in the paper today that a group of 4 from the U.S. side of the border were killed while in TJ for an evening of fun. That may be why it was a little on the empty side.

The last time I was in TJ I was robbed by the police.................................

Read Crime, Safety, and the Police forum here for those answers.

[Double]

I am reading that it is a good time to go to TJ because it is a buyers market, but is it safe? I read in the paper today that a group of 4 from the U.S. side of the border were killed while in TJ for an evening of fun. That may be why it was a little on the empty side.

The last time I was in TJ I was robbed by the police.................................

[Firedsup]

Bunky awe inspiring report. Well done sounds like mongers dream come true, and enjoyed it. Nice to hear rports instead of scares.

Well done.

Happy Hunting