General Reports

[Country John]

c.j., you made some good points about dressing appropriately in tj. that is true even in the zona. i found that i got better services, and rapport from the girls when i did not look like a bum off of the streets of la. even the cops don't hassle you when you project the right image.

saw a brief news clip last week on ccn that 3000 mexican troops are due to arrive in tj because of the violence against le over there. has that changed the mongering situation at all in the zona? probably not, i would think.
yeah, saw that huge sign in tj at that traffic circle targeting illegal sex tourism. i guess some us ngos have to justify their huge salaries by doing publicity campaigns. it concerns me to the extent that i want to know if there are any sting operations in the zona or tj where a 16/17 year old is used as a decoy to masquerade as a legal chica to snare the unaware. we all know that a lot of the girls drop their first baby around 16 or 17, but as foreigners we are held to a higher standard. no problem with that. oto it is essential to know if we, as sex tourists are being targeted by entrapment techniques favored by us le.

s.v. your description also suggests that tj is a cosmopolitan city, notwithstanding the fact that large parts are tj are third world, it seems to be a mix of first world and third world.

the other thing, are the girls back to pre-xmas levels in numbers and quality yet?

tj does look like a thrid world city when you compare it to the gold plated streets of california, where a bump in the road is a cause of action in a lawsuit against everyone in the state. i don't call that "progress, " i call it "regression. "

the cops in tj got their guns back but the troops are still here. when the tjpd were a toothless tiger, everyone seemed a bit more relaxed. the cops stood down for several days but got back to business when the money got tight. there has been no change in their behavior in that regard.

the road blocks are tight right now, especially on the way to the zona. if you drive across, do not go to ave. see. benito juarez via ave puente mexico (taking the hard left loop) because as soon as you make the lopp, you get stopped. and they're stopping everything with california plates that has wheels.

here's what you need to do: after crossing, keep right on av puente mexico to ave paseo de los heros. make the right at emanillo zapata (next to costco). continue west and then either turn right on constitution or revolution. (revo might be blocked if traffic is heavy on the weekend) and consititution will take you right into the heart of the zona norte.

now that the cops got their guns back there is less military so less reason for the cops to stay honest at the checkpoints. avoid the checkpoints.

when you leave the zona, don; t take the short route back to the boder, take the longer way. that way you'll avoid the checkpoints. if you park at the leyva, when you make the right turn exit on constitution, turn left at the first stop sign, then take the first left, (ninos heros) then turn left on flores magon (i think you can make the left there, if not, go to the next block) then follow it east to constitution, turn right and follow it to s sarabia, turn left. take that to av paseo de los heros, take the roudabout and follow the signs to the border. you will be very close so don't sweat it. just pay attention. sometimes there is a checkoint on the roundabout but they are looking for drunk drivers, not mongers.

remember to be very cool and obey all traffic signals. behave yourself!

load up on some spicy tacos or something else to mask your breath. smoke a stinky cigar or something. if they smell booze on you, it could cost you a bundle. never have an open container in the vehicle.

regarding minors: la mesa prison is one of the worst in mexico. that's where you will go if you get busted. there is no heat, no airconditioning, the food sucks and so do the rest of the inmate population. it will be the worst experience of your life. getting out could cost you everything you own, not to mention your marriage. it can ruin your life. if you go in for sex crimes against a minor you might be in for a unique sexual experience when in prison.

a minor can trap you in the room after you do the deed. if you do not pay up big time, she could go to the cops (or her boyfriend might turn you in). you could get grabbed by a decoy. as soon as you lay a hand on her, you are gone. once the cuffs go on, they stay on mate. you are toast. there is a zero tolerance for this in mexico (as it should be).

just because mexico has strict laws and some corrupt cops doesn't mean it's a shithole. it is a very very cool place for those who willingly choose to behave. even then you still have to be careful. i am constantly on guard. it just takes less effort now.

dress to impress the girls. smell good. look good. be polite and don't brag about anything except how lucky you are to be sitting with such a sexy latina. latinas are very much in touch with their femininity and calling them sexy etc. is not a turn off. just don't be obvious and don't go over-board.

otherwise, be willing to take whatever will go with you in your situation. mexican people are so used to being treated like shit by gringos that they are now of the opinion that most are that way. lean this word: humility. then learn this word: respect. once you give a latina the glimmer of hope that you are for real, you have a chance.

another tip: don't throw money around or talk the "big talk. " don't lay out big-time tips. don't be buying the fucking stuffed animals or roses. (maybe buy one rose on the way out.) if you got money, then good for you. the chica will like that of course, but how she goes about extracting that from you will depend on how you present yourself. if you are humble and not gushing like a bytch to pay for everything including the "best wine in the house, " then she might get the idea that you watch your money carefully (like her) and maybe you do have some common sense after all.

anyway, enough of the ranting. one more note regarding minors: remeber the saying that "if it looks to good to be true then it probably isn't true. " if the girl looks ****, don't touch. move on to someone else. la mesa prison is very crowded right now. i think there are six guys to a cell.

be safe and be nice,

country john

[Adelante Siempre]

C.J., you made some good points about dressing appropriately in TJ. That is true even in the Zona. I found that I got better services, and rapport from the girls when I did not look like a bum off of the streets of LA. Even the cops don't hassle you when you project the right image.
Saw a brief news clip last week on CCN that 3000 Mexican troops are due to arrive in TJ because of the violence against LE over there. Has that changed the mongering situation at all in the Zona? Probably not, I would think.
Yeah, saw that huge sign in TJ at that traffic circle targeting illegal sex tourism. I guess some US NGOs have to justify their huge salaries by doing publicity campaigns. It concerns me to the extent that I want to know if there are any sting operations in the Zona or TJ where a 16/17 year old is used as a decoy to masquerade as a legal chica to snare the unaware. We all know that a lot of the girls drop their first baby around 16 or 17, but as foreigners we are held to a higher standard. No problem with that. OTO it is essential to know if we, as sex tourists are being targeted by entrapment techniques favored by US LE.
S.V. your description also suggests that TJ is a cosmopolitan city, notwithstanding the fact that large parts are TJ are third world, it seems to be a mix of first world and third world.
The other thing, are the girls back to pre-Xmas levels in numbers and quality yet?

[Smut Villain]

Tijuana is hot and cold. I've not had a bad experience personally, but gringos have to know that there is a potential for violence so they have to do basic things to stay low profile and avoid attracting attention. The reasons for this are many. There are many similarities to living anywhere in the USA, but in Mexico poverty, education and unemployment (criminal element notwithstanding) are reasons why people commit crimes. Mexico is no different.

So personal security moves to the front burner - big time.

The people are a gregarious and warm for the most part. They are a pleasure to be among. They understand the importance of family and friendships. Relationships tend to be warm and accomodating.

Gringos get a bad rap because they are generally arrogant and think that when they are in Mexico they can do whatever the hell they want. They have no idea how high profile they are, they in fact deny it with an aire of arrogance.

"Gringos" doesn't always mean "white" just like "nigger" doesn't always mean "black." In Mexico, it's a condition of existence it seems. Gringos are carefully watched. They also have a reputation for coming to Mexico for sex, not only with hookers, but also with minors. Child abuse at the hands of sex tourists is a huge problem. Recent arrests in Mexico bear that out.

What am I getting at?

Chicas tend to "hope" that a gringo is cool, but they tend to first believe otherwise since the gringo's tendancy is to take advantage; the very thing gringos accuse Mexicans of. They get a few beers in and then they start gushing with bullshit, bragging about what they got then telling the chica how beautiful she is. Very bad. The girl sees right through it. Of course the gringo doesn't know that loose lips sink ships and if the girl is bad, he's setting himself up.

It's tough to make a very positive first impression on a civilian latina. It's tough to win them over into dating material and eventually in the sack. The looser the latina, the easier the score. But your question was about impressions of TJ and bagging a civilian. Such a relationship must be developed and YOU have to be cool and willing to let it happen. Having a prostitute on the side will handle your immediate needs of course but when she finds out it is OVER with a big "O."

Latinas are VERY possessive and very jealous. They are demanding in terms of your time and attention. It can be a problem if you are not willing to accomodate them. The rewards far outweigh the drawbacks however if you get the right girley.

Traffic there is crazy - TJ is where you learn survival driving and you learn that anyfuckingthing is possible on the roads. The only good part is that the "other guy" knows that too so there is a sort of "mutual respect" and people get along it seems. Pot holes can take out your front end. Left hand turns from the far right hand lane across traffic and against a red light are common. Be ready for anything. Not just from taxi drivers, from ANY other car on the road.

Getting settled is done long hand. YOU have to go to the water company, etc. Service sucks generally but Americans are spoiled and expect everything delivered to the door on a silver platter. This does NOT happen in Tijuana. Roll the calendar back to the mid '60's and if you were around then you'll get a sense of what I'm talking about. It was a very cool time too.

For those of you brought up in California, TJ is a step backwards in terms of life style if material wealth or possessions is your standard of measurement. It is a major step forward if you are all about relationships and really enjoying the company of your friends. Chicas like to see their guy with "stuff" but they also like to see some stuff between the ears too. They can tell if you are your shit.

Americans seems to confuse the "quality of life" with the "quality of living." They are not the same thing. What would you be like if half your shit was taken away. Take ten years or so off the year of your car, divide the square footage of your house by 2, cut your income in half, etc. What would you be like if you had to cut by 1/2 everything you spend or have?

Latinas really do want a decent future. They are sincere. They will give you their life if you show them your heart. And believe me, NOBODY does it better than the latina. They are loyal and dedicated but it's a developed relationship and that can only happen when you understand how they think. A poster once said: "The only men who know everything about women already have boyfriends."

Dating a bar girl or a prostitute is stupid. You pay them, you fuck them, you leave.

The right civilian is a gem when you find the right girl, it's worth the search.

There are PLENTY of places to go in TJ besides the Zona. Las Pulgas on South Revo is jiumping with civilians - nice looking girls. As is El Torito (my new stomping pad). Gringos, LEAVE THE FUCKING CUT OFFS, TENNIS SHOES AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAPS AT HOME. I see the chicas laughting and pointing at you when you come into the club before your eyes adjust to the dark. You think you look hip hop, you look like a clown, like you don't know how to dress to impress. If you don't want to impress, then forget about it, right?

Wear something that falls into the "smart casual" class.

TJ has some bad PR, a lot of it is true but when you get "TJ Broken" and understand how things work you understand how to peacefully co-exist with TJ and when you do THAT, you just might learn to like it and the term "gringo" might not apply to yo any more.

Be Safe and Be Nice,
Country John

I could not have put it better myself, and your analysis was spot-on (as usual). I can definitely tell you have experience down there.

[Country John]

I am curious what impressions longer term visitors of TJ, like Country John, have of the city. The city has a great red light district for starters.

Tijuana is hot and cold. I've not had a bad experience personally, but gringos have to know that there is a potential for violence so they have to do basic things to stay low profile and avoid attracting attention. The reasons for this are many. There are many similarities to living anywhere in the USA, but in Mexico poverty, education and unemployment (criminal element notwithstanding) are reasons why people commit crimes. Mexico is no different.

So personal security moves to the front burner - big time.

The people are a gregarious and warm for the most part. They are a pleasure to be among. They understand the importance of family and friendships. Relationships tend to be warm and accomodating.

Gringos get a bad rap because they are generally arrogant and think that when they are in Mexico they can do whatever the hell they want. They have no idea how high profile they are, they in fact deny it with an aire of arrogance.

"Gringos" doesn't always mean "white" just like "nigger" doesn't always mean "black." In Mexico, it's a condition of existence it seems. Gringos are carefully watched. They also have a reputation for coming to Mexico for sex, not only with hookers, but also with minors. Child abuse at the hands of sex tourists is a huge problem. Recent arrests in Mexico bear that out.

What am I getting at?

Chicas tend to "hope" that a gringo is cool, but they tend to first believe otherwise since the gringo's tendancy is to take advantage; the very thing gringos accuse Mexicans of. They get a few beers in and then they start gushing with bullshit, bragging about what they got then telling the chica how beautiful she is. Very bad. The girl sees right through it. Of course the gringo doesn't know that loose lips sink ships and if the girl is bad, he's setting himself up.

It's tough to make a very positive first impression on a civilian latina. It's tough to win them over into dating material and eventually in the sack. The looser the latina, the easier the score. But your question was about impressions of TJ and bagging a civilian. Such a relationship must be developed and YOU have to be cool and willing to let it happen. Having a prostitute on the side will handle your immediate needs of course but when she finds out it is OVER with a big "O."

Latinas are VERY possessive and very jealous. They are demanding in terms of your time and attention. It can be a problem if you are not willing to accomodate them. The rewards far outweigh the drawbacks however if you get the right girley.

Traffic there is crazy - TJ is where you learn survival driving and you learn that anyfuckingthing is possible on the roads. The only good part is that the "other guy" knows that too so there is a sort of "mutual respect" and people get along it seems. Pot holes can take out your front end. Left hand turns from the far right hand lane across traffic and against a red light are common. Be ready for anything. Not just from taxi drivers, from ANY other car on the road.

Getting settled is done long hand. YOU have to go to the water company, etc. Service sucks generally but Americans are spoiled and expect everything delivered to the door on a silver platter. This does NOT happen in Tijuana. Roll the calendar back to the mid '60's and if you were around then you'll get a sense of what I'm talking about. It was a very cool time too.

For those of you brought up in California, TJ is a step backwards in terms of life style if material wealth or possessions is your standard of measurement. It is a major step forward if you are all about relationships and really enjoying the company of your friends. Chicas like to see their guy with "stuff" but they also like to see some stuff between the ears too. They can tell if you are your shit.

Americans seems to confuse the "quality of life" with the "quality of living." They are not the same thing. What would you be like if half your shit was taken away. Take ten years or so off the year of your car, divide the square footage of your house by 2, cut your income in half, etc. What would you be like if you had to cut by 1/2 everything you spend or have?

Latinas really do want a decent future. They are sincere. They will give you their life if you show them your heart. And believe me, NOBODY does it better than the latina. They are loyal and dedicated but it's a developed relationship and that can only happen when you understand how they think. A poster once said: "The only men who know everything about women already have boyfriends."

Dating a bar girl or a prostitute is stupid. You pay them, you fuck them, you leave.

The right civilian is a gem when you find the right girl, it's worth the search.

There are PLENTY of places to go in TJ besides the Zona. Las Pulgas on South Revo is jiumping with civilians - nice looking girls. As is El Torito (my new stomping pad). Gringos, LEAVE THE FUCKING CUT OFFS, TENNIS SHOES AND BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAPS AT HOME. I see the chicas laughting and pointing at you when you come into the club before your eyes adjust to the dark. You think you look hip hop, you look like a clown, like you don't know how to dress to impress. If you don't want to impress, then forget about it, right?

Wear something that falls into the "smart casual" class.

TJ has some bad PR, a lot of it is true but when you get "TJ Broken" and understand how things work you understand how to peacefully co-exist with TJ and when you do THAT, you just might learn to like it and the term "gringo" might not apply to yo any more.

Be Safe and Be Nice,
Country John

[John Rain]

I met a woman on Amigos.com and we went on a normal date in Tijuana. She arranged the details. She spoke fluent English and has family in the LA area. We met for lunch, and afterwards went to a very upscale French Bistro, went to a movie in English, and then a nice coffee house. We drove around a bit and as we went down Revolution, which she hadn't seen in several years, she asked me to lock my car door because of all the drunk Americans. Her feelings were that you can find whatever you are looking for in Tijuana--a normal life, classy nightlife, culture, or the clubs for tourists and the prostitutes.

It was interesting to get her take on life in TJ.

[Smut Villain]

For the sake of variety, and possible free sex, I like to cultivate relationships with women from other walks of life too. It is nice to know that there is some amazing talent on the street in TJ, just in case. That way, a normal date is not overshadowed by the immediate need to get laid. One can be more selective, not appear needy, and tend to get better response from women in general.
Just the fact that you are from the States makes you attractive to women in TJ, and I think you can honestly play that card without making serious commitments. I get the impression that there is a more sophisticated side of TJ, more so than other Mexican border cities.
Besides, when you spend more time in one place you need some diversions and a hobby. I speak Spanish fluently, though not like a native. The fact that it's two hours from LA helps.
I am curious what impressions longer term visitors of TJ, like Country John, have of the city. The city has a great red light district for starters.

Well, I lived there for 5 years so I guess I can give you another frame of reference (even though I only speak for myself).

I agree that there is some untapped civilian talent on the street down there. If you were to take a break from Zona Norte for a bit and check out the rest of TJ, you'd find that there are some real cuties running around town. I don't think that being a Yank is such a turn-on for them in the way that you might think, though; being a border town with a world-famous red light district, I'm sure that gringos are nothing new to them. HOWEVER, being a gringo that speaks the language and understands the culture, without being condescending - THAT is what they would find impressive, and I speak from experience on that.

In fact, I highly suggest that any habitual TJ mongers take a few Spanish classes. It sounds weird, but when you come to TJ as a tourist or monger you often see only one side of the town, and that side usually looks like Av. Revelucion or Coahuila - in other words, a shithole. But when you go down there armed with some Spanish and an open mind you start seeing another side of the place that most visitors miss out on completely (maybe it's because folks who actually take the time to understand a place's language and culture tend to become a bit more adventurous). I've even noticed that natives will treat you a little differently, seeng how you're obviously not the typical "Ugly Americano Tourista".

Since you speak some Spanish you should try visiting TJ without hitting the red light district sometime. You'd be surprised at what you'd find. I was so surprised that I stayed there for 5 years

[Adelante Siempre]

For the sake of variety, and possible free sex, I like to cultivate relationships with women from other walks of life too. It is nice to know that there is some amazing talent on the street in TJ, just in case. That way, a normal date is not overshadowed by the immediate need to get laid. One can be more selective, not appear needy, and tend to get better response from women in general.
Just the fact that you are from the States makes you attractive to women in TJ, and I think you can honestly play that card without making serious commitments. I get the impression that there is a more sophisticated side of TJ, more so than other Mexican border cities.
Besides, when you spend more time in one place you need some diversions and a hobby. I speak Spanish fluently, though not like a native. The fact that it's two hours from LA helps.
I am curious what impressions longer term visitors of TJ, like Country John, have of the city. The city has a great red light district for starters.

[Adelante Siempre]

I think it's best to rent two places, if you can afford it. A nice one to live in, and a cheap room somewhere else to invite the overnight hookers to.

[Adelante Siempre]

I don't know about you guys, but when I go mongering for an extended period of time, I like to gather as much info about the place ahead of time as I can.

The article below suggests that Tijuana has undergone changes in positive ways as well. The prostitutes are active in preserving their livelihood in the city, and have been active in standing up for their rights. It's still the best place to monger along the Mexican border that I have seen.

http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/87/Tijuana.html

[Blue Nose]

Hi guys,

I have to be in San Diego this Monday for business. Any ideas of a good place to watch the game in TJ?

I'm basically looking for a place I can get a seat, order food, and drink. While I usually separate football and mongering, I'll be alone, so I figure TJ would be a better choice than watching the game in San Diego.

Thanks.

MC

If ABs is too crowded, try Chicago Club. It is usually dead in the late afternoon and early evening and they will definitely have the game on. If you want to gamble on the game, you could also watch it at Caliente Sport Book - right across from La Valentina Bar in the alley.

Blue Nose

[Roguesta]

Hong Kong will be showing the game, too, but you might have to motion to the dancers to get out of the way of the screen. This really pisses them off!

[Mikecnyc]

Adelita Bar should be showing the game. Expect lots of company though. It's usually a popular time in Adelitas and the girls HATE it. The maseros love it because the beers flow.

Have a good time.

Country John

Thanks. I've only been to TJ 4 or 5 times and couldn't remember if Adelita's even had a TV. I've only been on weekend nights and all the popular Zona Norte bars were wall to wall with people. I figure, I'll take a lap up Revo to the zona and see what looks good. Hell, maybe I'll even go into one of those strip clubs clip joints with the nice interiors as a treat.

[Country John]

Hi guys,

I have to be in San Diego this Monday for business. Any ideas of a good place to watch the game in TJ?

I'm basically looking for a place I can get a seat, order food, and drink. While I usually separate football and mongering, I'll be alone, so I figure TJ would be a better choice than watching the game in San Diego.

Thanks.

MC

Adelita Bar should be showing the game. Expect lots of company though. It's usually a popular time in Adelitas and the girls HATE it. The maseros love it because the beers flow.

Have a good time.

Country John

[Rabo Verde]

THINGS TO DO BETWEEN POPS

Grab a Taxi, tell them Plaza Rio Shopping cinco dolares....
10 minute ride to a modern American style classy shopping mall 100's of stores and 2 movie houses ( most of the movies are in English with Spanish subtitles).
They have a nice food court, McDonalds, etc. and a Sanborns... You will be amazed how you can go from a shithole to a modern shopping mall in 10 minutes!

[Jimbo 2]

havn't done the tj scene in a while, especially after hearing adelitas was taking a dive

anyways went down today and had a great time. i first did a sg, she didn't try to raise the rates or none of that, but i did feel pretty bad because while the deed was being done she kept looking away like i was [CodeWord125] her or something, talk about a kill joy, felt bad and gave her a big tip

then i went to adelitas, a chick approached me, big ta ta's don't remember the name, think she was 27 and has a baseball uniform theme going

paid the 60, service was great she kept talking dirty to me in spanish which was a pretty big turn on, overall one of the best adelitas girls i've ever done

2nd adelitas girl, again don't remember her name, she was tall though (prob close to 6 if not over), red dress and had braces

paid 60 again and had great service w/ good attitude and she kinda look liked j-low which was an added bonus!

again one of the best adelitas girls i've ever done

overall one of my better adelitas moment

the only negative experience was this one girl that looked pretty but she had the weirded most annoying/creepy voice ever.