General Reports

[Sol12]

I don't know about that, especially the 10-year time frame. It's not just the tolerance zone, but low-income housing that's existed there for decades. But Zona Norte as it exists now is actually a tourist boon and I think even the city realizes that. As mentioned in another post, Tijuana has (much) bigger fish to fry than redeveloping Zona Norte. The Zona won't be around forever but I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

In terms of geography, I guess you could say the Zona is on the "fringe" of the city, but if you consider the "heart" of Tijuana to be the Zona Centro / Zona Rio area, it's basically right there in a close-to-central location.

Like I said before the city moved people that were in an area to make room for the new Otay crossing, so if the government wanted to build a bridge they could move the residents. They are also building a new highway from Playas to the airport and if I remember correctly they had to move some residents for that as well.

The tolerance zone would just be moved to a different part of the city like they have in other parts of Mexico.

[Sol12]

The Zona is on of Tijuana's single greatest sources of revenue. This the reason why Mexico expends so much money on law enforcement. There is lot of other areas near the border that can be refeveloped. We should also remember that struggles just to keep control from the cartels. The drug gangs and corruption will be Mexico's biggest concern for many years to come.

I think we can all agree that money is what influences government the most. I don't agree that the Zona is a big source of revenue for the city. Most of the money spent goes in the girls hands and they usually go back home with that money or send to family in other parts of Mexico. I don't think the police in Tijuana are paid because of the Zona.

I agree Tijuana has other areas close to the border that can be redeveloped but it would be harder. Such as Colonia Libertad is an area that could be built up but it is full of residents and with the train track going thru it I'm not sure it would attract developers. Also the original attraction with the Zona is that they wanted to build a pedestrian bridge from the US into the Zona for tourists to visit Revolution with more ease. With prostitution in that area it's not possible now.

So unless the developers make it worth the governments time, give them lots of money, it will stay how it is. The new president of Mexico will be a woman and likely Morena party so if it was going to get done I could see it now more than before.

[TjBrazil]

Best way to Tijuana now to avoid wait times is use southwest. They have flights that leave out of San Diego at 6 am. Cross over at 4 am with no wait. It cost more than spirit but worth it.

[BrotherMouzone]

I never considered it before but you're right.

Being adjacent to the border is an incredible asset. Like you can see the americas outlets from Hong Kong. It's literally right across the border.

I suspect they put the tolerance zone there (not just putas; remember it's a tolerance zone for drugs up against the border) because it's basically as far as you can push things towards the fringes of the city, away from the center. But you're right. If they were to do the zoning today, they would probably push it east or south. And that land in zona would be prime retail for day trippers.

I don't know about that, especially the 10-year time frame. It's not just the tolerance zone, but low-income housing that's existed there for decades. But Zona Norte as it exists now is actually a tourist boon and I think even the city realizes that. As mentioned in another post, Tijuana has (much) bigger fish to fry than redeveloping Zona Norte. The Zona won't be around forever but I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

In terms of geography, I guess you could say the Zona is on the "fringe" of the city, but if you consider the "heart" of Tijuana to be the Zona Centro / Zona Rio area, it's basically right there in a close-to-central location.

[AmericanPi]

If you live in SoCal I could see trying the escort scene in Tijuana. If you're flying in to San Diego, though, there are so many other places to go in Mexico that are beautiful, fun, or beautiful and fun. On top of that, you can forget about the hassle of PedEast / PedWest if you fly straight to a destination.

Where? Cancun, Ensenada, and Cabo were awful for this. Just bad.

[AgaveBoy]

Next time you might want to stay in a decent hotel in a better part of the city and maybe try some escorts. You can go to the Zona at night and not feel the need to find a girl if you already had an escort. You will also have the opportunity to eat better food and see a different side of the city. For me spending multiple days in the Zona is just depressing.

Just a heads up on taxi drivers is don't believe anything they say. The apps for the border crossing aren't the most reliable but at least you can see the basic wait time. They are actually supposed to have an accurate APP developed next year so hopefully it's more precise. Also I've mentioned this before but they have a Facebook page devoted to people waiting in line to give real time information on the wait.

The only border crossing closed is the Pedwest and I haven't heard of many 3 hour wait times for pedestrians. In the future you can also use a bus that will pick you up on Revolution and drive you thru the border for only $10. Not sure what time your flight was but something that you could look into for your next visit.

If you live in SoCal I could see trying the escort scene in Tijuana. If you're flying in to San Diego, though, there are so many other places to go in Mexico that are beautiful, fun, or beautiful and fun. On top of that, you can forget about the hassle of PedEast / PedWest if you fly straight to a destination.

[Hargow20]

The Zona is on of Tijuana's single greatest sources of revenue. This the reason why Mexico expends so much money on law enforcement. There is lot of other areas near the border that can be refeveloped. We should also remember that struggles just to keep control from the cartels. The drug gangs and corruption will be Mexico's biggest concern for many years to come.

I seldom agree with Dogers but he has been talking about this for sometime and it could happen. Many in Tijuana have wanted to get rid of the Zona and make it more tourist friendly. They've had a plan fir many years to make a large pedestrian bridge connecting Plaza America directly into the Zona and to build that area up so that it would invite tourists to visit all the way to Revolution. With the rise in housing demand if they can get enough money behind it there is the possibility of the bars getting thrown out and possibly sending them east to a designated area of the city like in other parts of Mexico that you pay to enter this Zona.

Tijuana has a female mayor along with the state governor is a female and they have been working very hard for more women's rights and protection. Next year Mexico will elect its first female president and more than likely to be the same party as the other females. So in those six years of her reign it will be interesting to see if this is the opportunity to make a change. The biggest obstacle might be the migrant issue at this time since that makes it harder for the US to back a more open pedestrian bridge which would require more agents.

It will be very interesting to see what the future holds but I wouldn't be surprised to have the Zona be completely different by 2030.

[Sol12]

I personally don't see the zona being around in 10 years. The land is too valuable at this point.

Yeah it's just a matter of the developers willing to invest in that area and they'd kick out the poor. They just did that in order to build the new Otay crossing.

The other day in the paper they had a group that was trying to convince the city officials to turn part of Revolution and some of the are before the Zona into the Zona Rosa. They want to make it more welcoming for LGBTQ in the same manner as Hillcrest.

Also this week they are supposed to start on construction for the new highway above Avenida Internacional.

Lots of changes coming but with the recent drop in the dollar the demand for new homes has fallen. So right now things might actually start to slow and prices drop. Just depends on the costs in SD.

[Sol12]

.For some reason I didn't enjoy this trip as much as my previous ones. I think part of it is that it is exhausting scouring the clubs for gems. I had some great sessions this trip but navigating the clubs is not fun for me. The music is too loud, and HK gets too crowded in the evenings (I think there were 3-4 men for each chick at the costume party). One day there will be a fire at HK and people will die in the ensuing stampede. Also I prefer young, sweet spinners, and maybe 20% of HK girls are both hot and not sharky.

Check out on Thursday morning. Had some hiccups when leaving; one of the border crossings was closed. Taxi driver told me there was a three-hour line at the other (not sure if that was BS or not). So I paid $30 for him to drive me to Otay, then another $60 for an Uber to the airport (the blue line doesn't go to Otay). Not sure if this was the right call but I didn't want to miss my flight.

Next time you might want to stay in a decent hotel in a better part of the city and maybe try some escorts. You can go to the Zona at night and not feel the need to find a girl if you already had an escort. You will also have the opportunity to eat better food and see a different side of the city. For me spending multiple days in the Zona is just depressing.

Just a heads up on taxi drivers is don't believe anything they say. The apps for the border crossing aren't the most reliable but at least you can see the basic wait time. They are actually supposed to have an accurate APP developed next year so hopefully it's more precise. Also I've mentioned this before but they have a Facebook page devoted to people waiting in line to give real time information on the wait.

The only border crossing closed is the Pedwest and I haven't heard of many 3 hour wait times for pedestrians. In the future you can also use a bus that will pick you up on Revolution and drive you thru the border for only $10. Not sure what time your flight was but something that you could look into for your next visit.

[Captain Solo]

Bear,

We are planning to have the hottest time in Jakarta.

Unfortunately it has to be the last stop as nonstop flights from Tokyo on Garuda are way too expensive. We have to take shorter regional flights to HCMC, Bangkok, Singapore then Jakarta.

You are right. We may be worn out or run out of time by the time we get down to Jakarta. I am familiar with the ins and outs those cities so we can get out of airports and check in hotels quickly, spend 2 or 3 nights at each, hit the best spots, have fun then get out to airports for the next spots, not wasting any time. I usually travel that fast, have enough fun in each spot but never stay too long anywhere to put down roots hehe.

[AmericanPi]

I personally don't see the zona being around in 10 years. The land is too valuable at this point.

I never considered it before but you're right.

Being adjacent to the border is an incredible asset. Like you can see the americas outlets from Hong Kong. It's literally right across the border.

I suspect they put the tolerance zone there (not just putas; remember it's a tolerance zone for drugs up against the border) because it's basically as far as you can push things towards the fringes of the city, away from the center. But you're right. If they were to do the zoning today, they would probably push it east or south. And that land in zona would be prime retail for day trippers.

[AmericanPi]

My fellow Tijuana veteran, I hope you save enough time to make it to Jakarta. I just got back from there. Quality of ladies blows the balls off of Tijuana or Soy 6 Pattaya.

Say more. I never would have suspected Jakarta. A Muslim country?

[TjBrazil]

I seldom agree with Dogers but he has been talking about this for sometime and it could happen. Many in Tijuana have wanted to get rid of the Zona and make it more tourist friendly. They've had a plan fir many years to make a large pedestrian bridge connecting Plaza America directly into the Zona and to build that area up so that it would invite tourists to visit all the way to Revolution. With the rise in housing demand if they can get enough money behind it there is the possibility of the bars getting thrown out and possibly sending them east to a designated area of the city like in other parts of Mexico that you pay to enter this Zona.

Tijuana has a female mayor along with the state governor is a female and they have been working very hard for more women's rights and protection. Next year Mexico will elect its first female president and more than likely to be the same party as the other females. So in those six years of her reign it will be interesting to see if this is the opportunity to make a change. The biggest obstacle might be the migrant issue at this time since that makes it harder for the US to back a more open pedestrian bridge which would require more agents.

It will be very interesting to see what the future holds but I wouldn't be surprised to have the Zona be completely different by 2030.

I personally don't see the zona being around in 10 years. The land is too valuable at this point.

[GentileBear]

My fellow Tijuana veteran, I hope you save enough time to make it to Jakarta. I just got back from there. Quality of ladies blows the balls off of Tijuana or Soy 6 Pattaya.

[StubbornMule]

Flew down to Tijuana a week or two ago. Stayed at Cascadas as usual; checked in on Monday evening. Rooms were 70% off with VIP. First HK girl I saw was Kiss; she said she was 22 and from Sinaloa. She was gorgeous but didn't like my favorite position (prone bone). Then I saw Gielsa (also at HK), which was a fantastic session. She said she was 26 and from Sonora. Her body was interesting; her ass looked fake but felt real. Maybe she had it surgically sculpted? Not sure. Next session was Peggy at HK, who said she was 21 from Monterrey. Couldn't finish, even after taking a blue pill, but she was a sweetheart and cuddled with me until our time ended. Out of curiosity I decided to get a massage at NB Elite. Paid $160 for a 40 minute massage + FS. They had around 7-8 girls, all of which were at most 8. Had an excellent massage from Yadira, would recommend. Had the FS session with Nina, who said she was 27 and from Tijuana. Nina was only ok; the sex was awkward and she wasn't really into it. She asked me for a tip at the end which I didn't like and decline. I do sometimes give tips but I don't like it when the girls ask for one. Went to the costume party at HK, which was super crowded. There were some cool costumes but honestly the club was too full. Last session was at HK with Nasa (odd name I know). This was one of my all-time best sessions. She was super sweet and was super into it. Paid all the HK girls $100, tipped Nasa an extra $20 because I really liked her.

For some reason I didn't enjoy this trip as much as my previous ones. I think part of it is that it is exhausting scouring the clubs for gems. I had some great sessions this trip but navigating the clubs is not fun for me. The music is too loud, and HK gets too crowded in the evenings (I think there were 3-4 men for each chick at the costume party). One day there will be a fire at HK and people will die in the ensuing stampede. Also I prefer young, sweet spinners, and maybe 20% of HK girls are both hot and not sharky.

Check out on Thursday morning. Had some hiccups when leaving; one of the border crossings was closed. Taxi driver told me there was a three-hour line at the other (not sure if that was BS or not). So I paid $30 for him to drive me to Otay, then another $60 for an Uber to the airport (the blue line doesn't go to Otay). Not sure if this was the right call but I didn't want to miss my flight.