General Reports

[Dcrist0527]

Hey guys,

Watched the Facebook video. These cops are being told to stand down. Anybody with a Military or LEO background can attest to this. Any projectile is a form of aggression that is to be met with overwhelming force to overcome an existing threat. This incident tells me two things about Tijuana's finest. 1 they are not prepared to handle riot or crowd control. A basic law enforcement 101 class. Two they are being told to stand down in order to invite chaos into the city. If all police resources are being dedicated to controlling the migrants than who is in charge of providing police functions to the citizenry? Let's hope this is an isolated incident but my gut tells me that things are going to start to unravel quickly because Tijuana just does not have the experience, training, or resources to handle this amount of people. Say what you will about Trump but there is a reason behind him taking the measures he did. We can see first hand the results of what being unprepared looks like.

Was that a FoxNews or InfoWars Facebook video? LOL (please read with sarcasm).

The problem is that occurred with a small fraction of the people that will be there in the next few weeks. It feels like the tip of the iceberg. Add to that there is no solution for these people. As evidenced by video and commentary, these migrants are not welcome there. They are not going to be allowed into the US en masse. So a month in, what happens when these people cannot eat, have no shelter, have no income? At some point, desperation will set in. But that was the gameplan all along by the organizers and lawyers. But the question is what will happen to security of the zona and Tijuana when the bulk of the caravan arrives.

[RickyVee]

Hey guys,

Watched the Facebook video. These cops are being told to stand down. Anybody with a Military or LEO background can attest to this. Any projectile is a form of aggression that is to be met with overwhelming force to overcome an existing threat. This incident tells me two things about Tijuana's finest. 1 they are not prepared to handle riot or crowd control. A basic law enforcement 101 class. Two they are being told to stand down in order to invite chaos into the city. If all police resources are being dedicated to controlling the migrants than who is in charge of providing police functions to the citizenry? Let's hope this is an isolated incident but my gut tells me that things are going to start to unravel quickly because Tijuana just does not have the experience, training, or resources to handle this amount of people. Say what you will about Trump but there is a reason behind him taking the measures he did. We can see first hand the results of what being unprepared looks like.

[GoodSense3]

Want to move to San diego from La. Also thinking about moving to Tijuana in few yrs possibly and moving to San Diego would be cool stepping stone. Also I do want to get closer to the Tijuana cause of fun culture and food. Tacos in United States suck ass compared to Tijuana LOL.

Top 2 Things I will really need to do to make this move or I can do 1 and figure out the other after. Better if I can find job income first though LOL.

1. Find a Housing spot or room for rent in San Diego.

2. Finding a job source of income in San Diego. * I currently work doing computer clerical cubical and phone type work for health insurance company but my work role changed recently which is motivating me more to move to San Diego for new job and money making opportunities. I have a Bachelors degree but degrees don't guarantee you* anything as of course we have a trillion dollar student loan problem in United States.

3. My plans so far is to apply for jobs online and search for Housing online using craigslist mainly.

3. Seeking advice or connects to find housing spot and job preferably closer to San Diego airport the better.

4. Any advice greatly appreciated but if you can seriously connect me I don't mind giving you money too assist. Also
can email my Work Resume. Thanks

[Dcrist0527]

Can we please refrain from this propaganda and maybe save it for breitbart or infowars where it will be more thoroughly appreciated?

I think we'd all benefit by avoiding the politics to include slamming / discounting media reports, particularly when there are multiple, corroborative outlets reporting essentially the same thing. And that is saying nothing of the videos and social media accounts showing us what is going on.

That said, I do believe this is an important issue that we all remain aware of. The reports and evidence of the activity going on is unnerving. No one yet knows what this will mean for border crossing, if anything. (Side note to Cytek; I have that app and found it to be only marginally accurate.).

But border crossing is only part of the equation. There have been two nights of violence in playas. That was with a few hundred migrants in Tijuana for less than 48 hours. If thousands come, with nowhere to go, where they aren't welcome, for who knows how long, we'd be fools to ignore the potential issue that is developing.

[Long Don Silva]

US Commander-in-chief, Donald J Trump, has graciously let Mexico's President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrado have full authority over the illegal Centeral American migrants in the caravan, to house, feed, school, heal, police and prosecute them as much as he wants.

Never say Mr. Donald J Trump is not a generous guy.

Can we please refrain from this propaganda and maybe save it for breitbart or infowars where it will be more thoroughly appreciated?

[FlapJacK]

I read the last playas locals we're upset to see them at the beach border fence. They are not very supportive of them. They worry they will bring crime haha they also watch to much fox news.

Hows this? Even better than fox news. https://www.facebook.com/NoticiasBla...3542905395235/.

Here they are throwing rocks at police and Tijuana residents.

[Ctytek]

No where did I dispute any reports by credible media outlets. The only thing I dispute is pointless speculation about "thousands of migrants imminently taking over Tijuana, and bringing the San Ysidro crossing to the grinding halt". None of it has happened thus far. These speculations are largely based on fear mongering, and the whole issue getting endlessly blown out of proportion for political reasons.

If you want "facts on the ground" on border crossing. There is a simple solution. Download "CBT Border Wait Time" app on your smartphone and check the San Ysidro border crossing times. The times are updated every 60 minutes. The pedestrian crossing time is under 10 minutes, as I type this.

Agreed! But why then dispute media reports as propaganda but then you yourself said "Number of refugees making it into Tijuana is likely to be in hundreds rather than thousands"? You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But I can't understand how your opinion is somehow more valid than countless media reports. And countless videos proving that this is not a manufactured story.

[Captain Solo]

US Commander-in-chief, Donald J Trump, has graciously let Mexico's President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrado have full authority over the illegal Centeral American migrants in the caravan, to house, feed, school, heal, police and prosecute them as much as he wants.

Never say Mr. Donald J Trump is not a generous guy.

On Tuesday, I saw a group of a couple hundred people, mostly men, walking west on Calle 2 the, near 5 Esquinas which is on the way to Soler. There were 4-5 police cars keeping an eye on them. I assumed, along with the locals, that these were migrants from the caravan.

[ClamSlammer]

On Tuesday, I saw a group of a couple hundred people, mostly men, walking west on Calle 2 da, near 5 Esquinas which is on the way to Soler. There were 4-5 police cars keeping an eye on them. I assumed, along with the locals, that these were migrants from the caravan.

[Captain Solo]

Tuesday night 2 wingmen wanted to go to Tijuana. At the last minute a Tijuana old timer also wanted to go, even though he just had an epidural injection in the afternoon and was in pain. He knew my sports car is small and cramped with 4 guys, but still wanted to join up. Looks like the pleasures with hot, young Tijuana girls are well worth the long ride in a cramped car hehe. His prime motivation was all 3 of them are USC alumni and can really talk USC.

We had a good time in HK and Adelita. The new wingmen enjoyed checking out, talking to and negotiating with girls. One wanted to go again the next night. He spent lots of time and money for escorts and Asian massages in Socal, but much prefers the Caucasian looks and feels, found many perfect matches to his taste among the pretty, light-skinned spinners in HK and would never go to Thailand for girls. So we all have our different tastes, experiences, latent desires, deep primal motivations that drive our preferences. We just have to learn to respect each others' tastes.

The Tijuana old timer is a highly educated professional who has been going to Tijuana since the 70's in his high school years and know most bars and hotel owners in La Zona. He also lived in Brazil and Argentina, during some of the worst years of currency crisis, which caused food shortages and famine for the whole country, similar to the current situation in Venezuela. He speaks Spanish and Portuguese, knows lots of people in La Zona on personal terms, has lots of latest news, intelligence and insights into life in La Zona, Mexico and the Latin countries, but has not been posting in ISG for years, as he does not want to mix with rude, ignorant, uneducated guys with extreme opinions, who think they know it all and unjustly attack other posters.

We are missing out on lots of good insights from good people. So the bros should know the crude, ignorant, uneducated guys to ignore to avoid problems.

[Dcrist0527]

Best thing to do is stick to the facts on the ground

Agreed! But why then dispute media reports as propaganda but then you yourself said "Number of refugees making it into Tijuana is likely to be in hundreds rather than thousands"? You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But I can't understand how your opinion is somehow more valid than countless media reports. And countless videos proving that this is not a manufactured story.

As for the facts that I've heard, as of today, there are currently about 2,500 already in Tijuana, not from this caravan, but previous migrants, that are "in line" seeking asylum. By in line, that does not mean physically in line. To date, although there is a massive backlog, this does not create issues at the border. And it sounds like Tijuana has contingency plans to temporarily house the caravan in a "sports stadium". Maybe the bull ring? If so, assuming the caravan follows the process, I imagine the border will continue to be fairly routine. The concern would be if these thousands of people try to rush the border somehow. As improbable as that seems, take a look at the videos from Mexico's southern border.

The truth is, no one knows when they will arrive and what they'll do when they arrive. The pessimist in me looks at what they did at the Mexican border, looks at what they've done and left behind throughout Mexico and worries that they may not be so orderly.

As for the numbers, I think 5,000 is a rough estimate. I saw where authorities in Mexico city counted an exact number over 6,000. There will be people that peel off, there will be people that obtain transportation and reach Tijuana first, much like those that showed up this week (thanks to assistance from US attorneys). And there will be people that join up with them. So "thousands" seems more than reasonable.

As you said, I think we're best to stick to facts.

[Ctytek]

I was referring to your speculation about border crossing "getting bad for sure". "Caravans" of various sizes had been arriving to Tijuana earlier this year, and in previous years as well. They hadn't caused much disruption in the past.

Best thing to do is stick to the facts on the ground, and follow the reports from fellow board members crossing the border. People crossing into Tijuana and back over the last few days haven't had any issues. What may or may not happen in the future. Only time will tell.

Don't you have access to any news?

Its been all over the news in Tijuana for the past 3 days and like I said there is lots of live streaming. Not any speculation. Tijuana residents protesting right now (https://www.facebook.com/ElSoldeTiju...7032471221797/).

[FlapJacK]

What are you basing this on, other than pure speculation? There were similar fears of "caravan" and border closures in 2017, and it didn't affect much of anything. Number of refugees making it into Tijuana is likely to be in hundreds rather than thousands, and they won't be showing up all at once.

However many refugees make it into Tijuana from the original group will not be lining up at the pedwest clogging up the traffic. They are going to end up in shelters or rentals waiting their turn to claim an asylum. US CBP allows 50-60 asylum claimants a day, and people know in advance when their turn in the line is up.

I also don't think Mexican law enforcement will be too happy to tolerate refugees disrupting the cross border flow. Tijuana is a major multi-million people city and its economy is hugely dependent on interrupted cross border movement. I'd be very surprised if a few hundred of poor peasants from Honduras will be allowed to endanger all the powerful business interests that rely on the flow of Americans into Mexico and back.

Anything is possible of course, but there is a very little chance that the caravan will cause any real issues.

Don't you have access to any news?

Its been all over the news in Tijuana for the past 3 days and like I said there is lots of live streaming. Not any speculation. Tijuana residents protesting right now (https://www.facebook.com/ElSoldeTiju...7032471221797/).

Here are 3 Tijuana news outlets that have been covering this all day.

https://www.frontera.info/Noticias/2...-travesia.html

https://www.elsoldetijuana.com.mx/?f...Wo2koTMnctcF8Y

http://xewt12.com/?fbclid=IwAR0w7LiG...q2YxdSz-oPwyto

Live stream from some radio station earlier today. https://www.facebook.com/PalomaForTr...6132112319338/.

There's a bunch camped out at friendship park on the mex side. Supposedly thousands more due to arrive this weekend. This is not 2017 fearmongering. Its happening for real

[Ctytek]

What are you basing this on, other than pure speculation? There were similar fears of "caravan" and border closures in 2017, and it didn't affect much of anything. Number of refugees making it into Tijuana is likely to be in hundreds rather than thousands, and they won't be showing up all at once.

However many refugees make it into Tijuana from the original group will not be lining up at the pedwest clogging up the traffic. They are going to end up in shelters or rentals waiting their turn to claim an asylum. US CBP allows 50-60 asylum claimants a day, and people know in advance when their turn in the line is up.

I also don't think Mexican law enforcement will be too happy to tolerate refugees disrupting the cross border flow. Tijuana is a major multi-million people city and its economy is hugely dependent on interrupted cross border movement. I'd be very surprised if a few hundred of poor peasants from Honduras will be allowed to endanger all the powerful business interests that rely on the flow of Americans into Mexico and back.

Anything is possible of course, but there is a very little chance that the caravan will cause any real issues.

They are now here and more each day arriving. This is going to be bad for getting back and forth as border will be bogged down for sure. I saw a live stream video on facebook of a few hundred at friendship park taunting and playing tag with border patrol.

[HorseTrader]

They are now here and more each day arriving. This is going to be bad for getting back and forth as border will be bogged down for sure. I saw a live stream video on facebook of a few hundred at friendship park taunting and playing tag with border patrol.

I had no problems yesterday.