General Reports

[Jackie888]

This was a few months back, I was in the mood for some onion rings so I walked to carl's jr on constition. Don't know what these amish guys were up to but I had to take a quick snap shot. But this is what tourists look like in the zona.

How did you resist your bro temptation of taking them into HK? I am certain that I would have taken them into HK, put two chicas on each and bought them drinks.

[AnonX69]

I agree. I'd notice I look blonde and blue eyes when I carry dollars in my wallet but I look pure Mexican with pesos. Sometimes I carry dollars mixed with pesos in my wallet and I don't wear my Hawaiian shirt anymore does it make me look a typical gringo tourist?

I fooled those cops all the time with my look they don't know I'm a tourist because the zona is only exclusive for the locals.

I'm curious How do you hide your tourist profile if you're Asian or black?

BTW what typical tourist looks like I haven't seen any in the zona Yet.

This was a few months back, I was in the mood for some onion rings so I walked to carl's jr on constition. Don't know what these amish guys were up to but I had to take a quick snap shot. But this is what tourists look like in the zona.

[Captain Solo]

That week about 1/3 to 1/2 of bar and street chicas would go home for the holidays. However last year most top-tiered HK chicas were working through the holidays.

It would be a bad week for chicas, but La Zona would still be far better and more fun than most other monger spots, except perhaps Pattaya, Bangkok, Manila, Angeles City.

Suddenly have that week avail, thinking of flying to SD and going to Tijuana. Anyone know if that would be a good or bad week for chicas?

[The Cane]

The upshot is that the Zona Norte isn't driving Tijuana's economy.

No it isn't. But gringo cash most definitely is driving the Zona Norte's micro-economy within the greater Tijuana economy itself. I agree with you that Tijuana won't collapse if La Zona goes away. But that doesn't change the fact that American dollars make the Zona Norte go around. That's really my central point.

[ScatManDoo]

Ops, my bad.

[Tinny]

According to Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana#Economy.

The leading contributors of economy (for Tijuana) : culinary, manufacturing, and tourism.

For tourism:

Restaurants and taco stands, pharmacies, bars and dance clubs, and shops and stalls selling Mexican crafts and souvenirs are part of the draw for the city's tourists, many located within walking distance of the border. The city's tourist centers include Downtown Tijuana including the nightlife hot spots around La Sexta, Avenida Revolucion, souvenir shopping at the Mercado de Artesanas and Plaza Viva Tijuana, Tijuana's Cultural Center (CECUT) and neighboring Plaza areo Tijuana shopping center, and the city's best known vices, in the form of its legal Red Light District and gambling (Agua Caliente).

According to the description, it is also a major contribution for gringos who frequent clubs.

Most guys who travel to countries, but only see the P4 P nightlife, tend to vastly overestimate their numbers, and their economic impact. Tijuana is no exception. Guys show up, see loads of other gringos, and naturally think they're more influential than they truly are.

Well, I have news. Tijuana is far more than its pokey little red light district. If the Zona Norte were to disappear tomorrow it would barely be a blip on the economy of Baja California Norte in general, and Tijuana in particular. It would inconvenience some rich bastards, it would put others out of work, it would make some locals very happy. But Tijuana's economy collapsing? That's utter nonsense.

For those board members too frightened to venture south of Primera, I'll help out. You'll find that the Tijuana economy is humming along. You'll find every manner of business you can think of. Doctors, lawyers, car dealerships, restaurants, bars, clubs, antros, parks, the lot. Just like a real city. And, oddly, very, very few depend on the almighty gringo gracing them with their presence. I was in LOS Arcos last night, a upper-mid-range seafood restaurant with excellent food. It was around 8-ish, Thursday. The joint was almost full. Only a couple of empty tables..

[Member #4450]

You have made a ridiculous claim that "Hundreds of thousands" of Mexican citizens are currently housed in California prisons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_California

According to wikipedia the entire California prison population in 2014 was around 136,000 inmates and 83% of them were born in the United States.

Where are your numbers from HornyTraveler?

Hundreds "OR" thousands wear your reading glasses ScatMan.

[Artisttyp]

Suddenly have that week avail, thinking of flying to SD and going to Tijuana. Anyone know if that would be a good or bad week for chicas?

Not the best time to go there but there will be girls for sure. Better turn out in the bars then on on the streets. Christmas Eve and Day will be very depressing. Most businesses are closed. If you plan on drinking through it you will be fine.

[ScatManDoo]

Zona Norte maybe will not collapse because mongers won't stop going there. One way or another Tijuana will turn into a mess when They start the deportation of hundreds or thousands of some serious criminals direct from the California prisons.

You have made a ridiculous claim that "Hundreds of thousands" of Mexican citizens are currently housed in California prisons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_California

According to wikipedia the entire California prison population in 2014 was around 136,000 inmates and 83% of them were born in the United States.

Where are your numbers from HornyTraveler?

[NashDrummerBoy]

Suddenly have that week avail, thinking of flying to SD and going to Tijuana. Anyone know if that would be a good or bad week for chicas?

[Member #4450]

Zona Norte maybe will not collapse because mongers won't stop going there. One way or another Tijuana will turn into a mess when They start the deportation of hundreds or thousands of some serious criminals direct from the California prisons. Have fun in Disneyland.

All those factories you mentioned are what Trump wants to regulate so they will have a choice to stay in Tijuana and pay big chuncks of fines to sell their products in the US or move the buisness back to the US and let the American people and legal immigrants to do those jobs. I guess time will tell.

[Phordphan]

Most guys who travel to countries, but only see the P4 P nightlife, tend to vastly overestimate their numbers, and their economic impact. Tijuana is no exception. Guys show up, see loads of other gringos, and naturally think they're more influential than they truly are.

Well, I have news. Tijuana is far more than its pokey little red light district. If the Zona Norte were to disappear tomorrow it would barely be a blip on the economy of Baja California Norte in general, and Tijuana in particular. It would inconvenience some rich bastards, it would put others out of work, it would make some locals very happy. But Tijuana's economy collapsing? That's utter nonsense.

For those board members too frightened to venture south of Primera, I'll help out. You'll find that the Tijuana economy is humming along. You'll find every manner of business you can think of. Doctors, lawyers, car dealerships, restaurants, bars, clubs, antros, parks, the lot. Just like a real city. And, oddly, very, very few depend on the almighty gringo gracing them with their presence. I was in LOS Arcos last night, a upper-mid-range seafood restaurant with excellent food. It was around 8-ish, Thursday. The joint was almost full. Only a couple of empty tables. Guess how many gringos? The same holds true for just about every place you go outside of the Zona Norte and parts of Centro. Tijuana has managed to reinvent itself, and drunken obnoxious spring breakers, running up and down Revu, are no longer necessary.

Tourism still accounts for a chunk of Tijuana's economy, but it's much smaller than days of yore, and those tourists tend to come for the pharmacies, the very reasonable medical care, artsy-fartsy stuff, the great foodie scene, etc. A small percentage come for the ZN.

The elephant in the room is manufacturing. That's what's been driving the local economy for some time now. Loads of crap is manufactured in Tijuana, car parts, medical equipment, electronics, etc. There's something like 500-600 maquiladoras in Tijuana. The question is whether or not Trump's policies will affect these. They're not all American companies, certainly, but many are. If they were to be shut down I think the Tijuana economy would suffer a very significant blow. I'd hate to see that happen.

The upshot is that the Zona Norte isn't driving Tijuana's economy. Far from it. It's a lot like Disneyland, or a sports stadium. It generates a lot of money for a relatively few people. It also really doesn't provide much that can't be had elsewhere, at better prices.

[ScatManDoo]

Right after making my post I thought of "guilt-ridden". And stubborn.

[ScatManDoo]

Thursday, November 10,2016 12 ish. Baja Mex on the US side was 18.5 pesos tho the dollar. Exchange signs in Tijuana were at 18.3. Most importantly, HK exchange rate on the floor is 16.1. I am not clear what the business logic is for HK. Stability for the labor? For me it is great.

Hong Kong Bar has always used an in-house exchange rate that favors customers spending pesos in the bar (vs spending dollars). At least its always been that way for the most recent 12 years, which is when I began going to Tijuana. Your best source to ask the "why" question to would be the family that owns the bar.

My best guess would be that the family probably would never want someone pointing a finger at them and their policies and complaining that they are favoring foreigners at the expense of Mexican nationals. They may know & like many of their American customers, but I'm speculating that they feel closer ties to their customer base of locals, many of whom likely walk in with lots of pesos and few dollars.

For the Americans that choose to spend dollars in HK while knowing this (rather than getting pesos to spend in HK), you might call them a bunch of different names: lazy, stupid, generous, wasteful, powerful, impatient, care free, resistant, patriotic, spoiled, phobic, proud, or foolish. But they have never been in short supply.

[Captain Solo]

Got to admit Salt took some good pics of sexy, good-looking puta asses.

I can recognize a few of those asses in the pics. It's very nice to pin those spinners' asses down in bed and plunge into their tight, wet pussies.

I have to buy a new concealed camera with better low-light sensitivity to record all those sexy putas' moments. Hehe.