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05-09-18 19:08 #5594
Posts: 37Managed? Trafficed?
Originally Posted by CaptJackSparro [View Original Post]
Trafficked? My many year personal SG "novia" in Penasco tells me that the US media hype over trafficking is nonsense. She says if anyone if trafficked it is Russians and Eastern Europeans but not Mexicans. Now, there are a lot of hangers-on and pimps in the business but no one is going around kidnapping girls off the street to bring them to HK as the San Diego Trib would have you believe. She did tell me about a local doctor who rents out his wife. Is that trafficking?
On a related subject she agrees that the demise of Craigslist and Backpage puts the girls in great danger as has been reported elsewhere. Fortunately Mileroticos and Locanto are still in business but are probably not well known to the average US guy.
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05-09-18 19:04 #5593
Posts: 1289Originally Posted by CaptJackSparro [View Original Post]
I have no problem with a few of my dollars going to Cascadas as a kickback from the girl to the business. Or an agency taking $20 for a finder's fee. As you said, we'll never know for certain. But I do have a strong moral aversion to supporting any sort of trafficking! And that's why I avoid, at all costs, those that appear to hate everything.
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05-09-18 06:19 #5592
Posts: 24Been a while since I posted, posting a bunch of replies!
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05-09-18 06:19 #5591
Posts: 95I don't think any of us know for sure, but we are using street smarts. If the girl receive a call after time is up. I assume she's being managed. One girl showed me her what's app message with some other girl who basically asked if she was ok and had received my payment. She replied yes. Other times, they will tell the girl standing next to them which hotel they are going to and that's the only communication they have as to where they are going. Maybe both girls have the same pimp?
Standing near Cascadas is extremely valuable for SG. I'm sure pimps or big daddy HKs pockets get greased for the privilege of standing on prime real estate. Everything in Zona norte is pay to play. Someone is getting a cut of the girls work, for sure.
Even the bar girls have large upfront costs before they can start working at HK (sexy clothes, health card is $100, etc).
Bar girls are just pimped by a corporation rather than a single person. They must pay fines if they break some of HKs rules.
HK describes their girls as freelance employees whose job it is to sell fichas for the bar. Seems reasonable on the surface.
However, if girls are gone for over 1 hour they may have to pay a fine when they return to the club. Reason is supposedly because the bar missed out on potential profit while she was gone. Everyone knows HK is essentially a brothel, but they have to operate as a strip bar for legal reasons. Their whole business model is politer pimping.
"Buy this $10 drink. We keep $8, she keeps 2".
"You were gone for 3 hours, [Deleted by Admin] where's my cut?
Pimps don't always take 100% .
Going down the rabbit hole of morality about what happens to your money once it leaves your hands is silly IMO.
Anti prostitution propaganda would have you believe some girls working at HK are probably trafficked sex slaves. Who the hell knows. Until US customs warns me to stay away Zona Norte I will trust that I shouldn't feel bad about going.
Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 22:53 #5590
Posts: 1289That's what I assumed. I don't have a ton of experience with SGs. I've gotten to know a few escorts and don't think they are managed like that. And I don't want to get on any high moral ground or let anyone think I'm judging anything or anyone. But managed girls just don't feel good. Protection is one thing. But if they aren't 100% into this business on their own, voluntarily, that's a deal breaker for me. Obviously, I'll never know that for certain, but just a downer. In the past, SGs have been my fall back. If I am just not feeling good with the BG selection, I lower the bar and don't mind losing $35. Not sure if I'll follow through with that logic this time.
Interestingly, I'll just say that the rotation in the US exists today. And I steer far clear of that activity.
Originally Posted by NingunoEspecial [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 18:51 #5589
Posts: 603Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 12:05 #5588
Posts: 95I tend to agree. I feel really bad for the guys who willingly pay $120 for starfish sex. ID much rather jerk off than deal with a lot of the bar girls who feel entitled to get paid the same hourly rate a doctor would get in paid in the US for what is essentially low-skilled labor if they aren't going to knock my socks off. I mean, really think about how lucky these girls are. Most of them come from poverty and are able to help out their families A LOT with the opportunities the Zona provides.
Most will do enough to get you hard so you start thinking with your dick and when you get to the room they don't really care if you finish as long as they get paid. Obviously its not their problem if you can't finish but its a shitty feeling to give a girl $80 and getting shitty service once you get upstairs. Many girls are cool downstairs and then pull a switcheroo once you get to the room.
Being a BG isn't easy, but it sure as hell beats working in a Mexican factory or any other job most of these girls qualify for with little to no education.
Guys need to stop spoiling these girls or acting like they're doing you a huge favor.
No, you're doing them a huge favor by providing them basically the only way they can live like Mexican royalty by doing nothing other than being hot and friendly.
Originally Posted by Hargow20 [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 05:16 #5587
Posts: 2618I have never had any problems on the bridge during daytime. These days if am walking home across the bridge late at night I take Uber instead. If you do cross the bridge try and walk near other people.
Originally Posted by GNRPorche [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 04:49 #5586
Posts: 2618Personally I only street girls. I am mainly interested in BJ's and cannot see paying $50-$80 for one.
Originally Posted by CaptJackSparro [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 03:46 #5585
Posts: 262Originally Posted by CaptJackSparro [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 03:09 #5584
Posts: 95Much like the states, you have to assume any girl on the street has a pimp, especially in Mexico where they are easy targets of police and low lives who could make life difficult for them if they don't agree to be pimped.
Of course I don't have any proof but I think it would be a little naive to think that most street girls are independent business women. At the very least, I assume they have to pay for "protection" from criminal elements, much like I'm sure most of the bars in Zona are paying to keep crime away from Zona Norte.
I'd be absolutely astonished if someone can prove that there isn't a ton of extortion going on in the Zona, to be honest. There's too much money floating around in that otherwise destitute neighborhood.
Originally Posted by Dcrist0527 [View Original Post]
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05-08-18 01:37 #5583
Posts: 95I have 2 BGs that I hang out with from time to time for free, but its not on demand. I sense your sarcasm my friend. Interested in street girls lately because I'm getting a little bored of the bar scene and view it as a new frontier. Maybe escorts soon too.
Yup, bar girls can be filthy little vixens. Done stuff with them that I assumed I had to negotiate for but they just did it. Street girls haven't ever done anything I didn't request. Paying triple the SG rate is probably quite the aphrodisiac for BGs.
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo [View Original Post]
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05-07-18 23:30 #5582
Posts: 1398Originally Posted by GNRPorche [View Original Post]
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05-07-18 22:16 #5581
Posts: 1289Dumb question.
What exactly does managed mean? I know the obvious definition. But specifically, are most managed by a BF? By a "professional"? And is this "management" similar to the setup in the US? I avoid managed girls in the US for numerous reasons. Is the arrangement different in Tijuana?
Originally Posted by NingunoEspecial [View Original Post]
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05-07-18 21:29 #5580
Posts: 603Originally Posted by CaptJackSparro [View Original Post]
Also repeats help a lot. Often I negotiate the basic which translates to about the same as buying a couple of drinks at HK (or less) $$ wise. I don't even plan on sex with most the 1st time but to relax them and speak in private, ask some questions, tell them what you are looking for. In my case it is a "go to SG" as I don't need variety when I find one that works and really turns me on. 90% of them don't turn me on even some of the 8's to 10's. I want one who fits my definition of sexy and works well in the fantasy. (it's not all physical though chemistry helps).
Never done a TLN (overnight) and they vary as far as if it is worth the effort and $$. But have done many 30 min. To an hour. Even some 90 min. Ones at love motels after rapport was built. They need to know you and trust you before traveling far. Be prepared to pay upwards of 1200 pesos if an hour or more at your preferred location though many would take less imo.
As far as service, the vast majority give sub par service compared to BG's but some give excellent, much better... it all varies... Many have worked in bars before then returned to the street... also several bar girls worked in the streets for months or years prior to going inside... True most SG's are "managed" but many give great service even with that... those not managed were at some point and since becoming freelancers are more negotiable imoLast edited by Ninguno Especial; 05-07-18 at 21:33. Reason: add information