Sosua Reports

[Wrx2005]

Some people think the above situation doesn't affect them because they, like me, have a lot of Chicas contacts and can just call for service is needed. I say true to a point however, I say this. That is good to weather the storm but what happens if it always raining. The Sue will very quickly lose its attraction.

If I was thinking about retiring or maybe getting a second home in the DR and I came to Sosua in its present state, do you think I would want to choose there? Do you think it would be a good place for me to tell my partners to invest their retirement or personal finances in getting a condo or a business in the area? Is the place currently just as attractive as it was 3 year or 3 months ago?
We on this board are up on new information and current condition true or false however imagine the person thats not. Imagine the person who has been to the Sue a few times six months ago and now has returned with five of his friends. Imagine how theyre feeling about the scene in its current condition.

Is a small beach city with one traffic light and a population of a little over 50,000 locals worth me wanting to stay there?

The Sue cannot die! But when you change up your pitch some people may not want to hit your ball. I'm hoping things will normalize but I know with time nothing stays the same.

Big dude, remember a few years ago we saw posts about how easy Sosua was about mongering? It was considered mongering on training wheels? And how Santo Domingo was for experienced mongers who know what they are doing. Remember how old vets sort of mocked the mongers that were still going to Sosua, and that they had moved on?

Well right now, this is the time a monger needs some experience in knowing how to navigate in Sosua and get the most out of it, regardless of the political turmoil or venue closings. All those that have bailed because of closings, chica arrests etc, have basically declared that they are not cut out for adapting to change. They need those training wheels.

On the idea of advising friends on if Sosua is a viable place to retire to. I think it is. With a few caveats. If he is an expat like myself, who does not require certain venues to be open in order to cope, is not in vacation mode so he has no need to fulfil a quotaof chicas for his vacation. He can very well live in or close to Sosua. The benefit of already being an expat, is that I'm living through all of the changes I see around me. I have no sense of loss or doom like what is felt back in the matrix. Because in my opinion, that's the reaction that I sense from enough mongers not only from this forum, but others.

Me and my expat friends feel no such concern. Whatever happens, happens. Day to day living is still great. On another note, I believe in keeping things simple. And I've kept it simple the entire time. I will never complicate my life by retiring, and then try to open a business. Flying under the radar is one of the best assets you have in living abroad. It amazes me how many guys want to live in the DR, but not satisfied with just retiring. They have to open a business. By not having a business, do you know how much stress a person eliminated from their life? Another thing, I don't advise mongers to buy property just because they loved their mongering lifestyle. And want to continue it in retirement.

I always advise guys to rent and live in the DR for a while. Once the novelty of living in the DR falls off, the thrill of being close to juice will fall off too. Sosua is a place a dude can love without the p4 p right in your face. Getting chicks and juice is easy, it doesn't have to come just from Sosua. You don't need Sosua just for that. I also advise guys not to invest too much money on a place to live. Live decent but don't spend a fortune on rent. I started off paying only $350 a month rent. And it hasnt changed ever since I took on the place. Look at me now. I have another place on the other side of the world. The rent and expenses are almost the same. But I may not have been able to do it, if I was knee deep paying rent in one place. I gave my self the flexibility to live anywhere else I want. Not just in Sosua. I did what I need to do when I was working, so I can afford to do whatever I want financially without needing to earn income from a job or opening a business.

IMO, that's what a retiring individual should consider. Grow into retirement abroad. Don't put too much into one place until you really know where you want to stay. You might find out you want to live in a totally different country. I recall a ytuber, who paid a nice chunk of cash to buy his condo in Sosua. Outgrew the place in about a year and a half, then end up moving to PP. Paying for a place over there. Thats what happens when being hasty in decision making. Granted he may have sold the 1st place and made a profit, but that was still a huge risk. To cough up that much cash, and eventually realize you rather live elsewhere.

Guys from the states need to spend their time talking to wise dudes in the trenches that may offer solid advice / counsel. Lastly, often enough the needs of a 60 something year old is going to be quite different than a 40 ish pushing 50 dude eligible for retirement. Vacationing mongers often have a different outlook than expats who have been living abroad for awhile.

[GrownMan1]

Prostitution in that centralized area of Sosua is the head. One club or restaurant does not make the Sue. Those clubs have been playing back-and-forth for years with one opening and the other Being shut down. The beach has always been there and is not going anywhere.

You have weekend warriors, ex pats, street vendors, regular visitors, hustlers, small bars, hotels and restaurants. All of them add to the ambience to the area. However it is the Chicas that are the main attraction.

The harassment has been there for a while however it did not stop the normal flow. Maybe five or six unlucky girls a night will be incarcerated and released the next day. Hell even the police made a little money on the side releasing two or three of the ones they caught for a small fee.

Any Chica could walk on the strip and grab a quick client. Some only went when the club was open. Some came with no intentions of going in a club or restaurant. It was a public area and a live spot for SW, tourist, locals, and more during the day but especially at night.

When the police and the military got the Political instructions to arrest any Chica in the area that looks like she's involved in prostitution a problem came into play. That roughly affected 70% of the action on the main street. You still had action going on in the clubs. However the quality of SW Chica's dropped noticeably. The prices in the clubs sometimes doubled or tripled.

The clubs, restaurants, and bars became a haven for many Chicas seeking to avoid the police. That led to the next move of removing the main clubs and bars from the area.

Opportunist came in and jumped on the bandwagon. They aligned them selves with people who wanted change. It seem like a good alliance until the differences of the two group came to light. Group 2: Who had the Financial resources and vision to create a new area "Out of sight out of mind" bump heads with group 1: Group 1 didn't want any parties organized or un organize of any sort. They still were in possession of the local police and military forces. They use them to stop any ongoing parties in any the area.

As a result, A backlash came in effect and the area has suffered financially. What would you expect when you put the full force of stopping prostitution in action.

Some people think the above situation doesn't affect them because they, like me, have a lot of Chicas contacts and can just call for service is needed. I say true to a point however, I say this. That is good to weather the storm but what happens if it always raining. The Sue will very quickly lose its attraction.

If I was thinking about retiring or maybe getting a second home in the DR and I came to Sosua in its present state, do you think I would want to choose there? Do you think it would be a good place for me to tell my partners to invest their retirement or personal finances in getting a condo or a business in the area? Is the place currently just as attractive as it was 3 year or 3 months ago?
We on this board are up on new information and current condition true or false however imagine the person that’s not. Imagine the person who has been to the Sue a few times six months ago and now has returned with five of his friends. Imagine how they’re feeling about the scene in its current condition.

Is a small beach city with one traffic light and a population of a little over 50,000 locals worth me wanting to stay there?

The Sue cannot die! But when you change up your pitch some people may not want to hit your ball. I'm hoping things will normalize but I know with time nothing stays the same.

[Brother P]

Without prostitution Sosua will be a quiet town with a few tourists. There are many venues throughout the Caribbean with even better beaches than Sosua that are quiet villages with hardly any tourists.

PM me a few of these locations please! Thanks!

[Turgid]

.............Only way Sosua can survive is by staying as a brothel town. It will never become a tourist town because there is nothing apart from the beach............

Without prostitution Sosua will be a quiet town with a few tourists. There are many venues throughout the Caribbean with even better beaches than Sosua that are quiet villages with hardly any tourists.

[Oakie]

...I believe Sosua Main Street will slowly die off. Some brave establishments will move to new area hoping. Right now there are no open bars there where people can easily go in and out....

It already happened!

The once thriving main street is now a deserted rust belt with boarded up store fronts.

I had an (illegal) beer with an old pal down there who is still running a legal business!

In the hour or so I was shooting the shit with him, a few of the old hardcore tarted up hookers were still wandering around looking for the odd client, and some of them did get picked up!

That's what happens when thriving businesses leave an area and the stores get boarded up. It's the same all over the world. It attracts cheap drug dependent hookers and the folks that deal with them! Then the tatoo parlours, rub and tugs, cheap souvenir stands and nail salons take over!

Good job, Ilana! LOL.

[Brother P]

Well, there is another group of folks out there, that nobody mentions. Those who's livelihood depends on the current level of tourism, the owners, managers, suppliers, and most importantly, the WORKERS in the bar, hotel, restaurant business.

Some of them were out marching the streets in protest, a couple nights ago! They need their jobs to support their families now, not at some future time when the "family tourism" business is supposed to kick in!

Mayor Ilana is a politician, above all, and she has to give these folks some real answers, if she's to be re-elected!

Very true. A lot of good people have gotten caught up in this political mess. This is bigger than the mayor. I don't see the old days returning. Hopefully people can find employment somewhere.

[Sammon]

Well, there is another group of folks out there, that nobody mentions. Those who's livelihood depends on the current level of tourism, the owners, managers, suppliers, and most importantly, the WORKERS in the bar, hotel, restaurant business.

Some of them were out marching the streets in protest, a couple nights ago! They need their jobs to support their families now, not at some future time when the "family tourism" business is supposed to kick in!

Mayor Ilana is a politician, above all, and she has to give these folks some real answers, if she's to be re-elected!

Sosua has always been built around prostitution. More people came, more hotels opened, more restaurants opened and there were brothels opened also. Tourists are seen in daytime walking around or going to the beach. I do not believe they are bothered with SW. Very few walk around there in the evening or night. Economy supports all the establishment by people coming to enjoy the girls. If the entertainment area is moved to the other end it is anybody's guess whether Sosua will stay as a destination for people looking for girls. That part of the town is not Main Street Sosua. Even if restaurants and clubs move there they may not survive.

I believe Sosua Main Street will slowly die off. Some brave establishments will move to new area hoping. Right now there are no open bars there where people can easily go in and out. When and if it happens I am sure more girls will come looking for money. Maybe few hotels will open in that area. Transportation is not an issue because of motos. Although people like to stay and walk around.

Only way Sosua can survive is by staying as a brothel town. It will never become a tourist town because there is nothing apart from the beach. Beach road survives only because of casa marina.

If the mayor thinks Sosua main will become a tourist town she is not thinking straight or does not care. With the all inclusive resorts tourists will not go to Main Street restaurants and hang around there.

[Oakie]

That's about the size of it!

Well, there is another group of folks out there, that nobody mentions. Those who's livelihood depends on the current level of tourism, the owners, managers, suppliers, and most importantly, the WORKERS in the bar, hotel, restaurant business.

Some of them were out marching the streets in protest, a couple nights ago! They need their jobs to support their families now, not at some future time when the "family tourism" business is supposed to kick in!

Mayor Ilana is a politician, above all, and she has to give these folks some real answers, if she's to be re-elected!

[Ipanema Carioca]

On Tuesday evening, 19 November, a few hundred dismissed employees held a protest March through the streets of Sosúa. These are employees of the bars and restaurants recently closed by order of the government. They are former employees of Bar Central, Bourbon Street restaurant, Bar Pranitium (El Flow), the Merengue Bar, the Rumba Bar, discotheque the 'Clasico, discotheque Citylights, the Blue Ice Piano Bar and Chez Montreal. It is not just about bar staff, but also maintenance, cleaning and security staff. The taxi companies and montoconchos (motor taxis) saw their number of customers decrease considerably.

But also the fashion stores, hairdresser's, massage and beauty salons and other restaurants saw their turnover fall. With torchlights they marched through the streets, with protest signs with slogans and chants, they showed that they are now destitute. 'The holidays are coming and how should we feed our children and sick mother?' The activists we spoke to said that this is just the beginning of the resistance, more protests will follow. Wednesday afternoon there was another protest March in the streets of Sosúa, this time against prostitution. Extra police had been brought in from Puerto Plata to prevent calamities.

https://youtu.be/rqbIbvIphiw

[Brother P]

Different groups for the Sue. IMO.

1. These are the people that say they're tired of the Sue having a bad name. They wanted to have a good standing reputation. They want to end a prostitution in the area. They want it to be a well-known family Destiination or anything other than sex tourism. They believe they can stop prostitution in the area. They feel business in the Sue will not skip a beat or continue with minimal repercussions. They include Politicians seeking election or reelection and the majority of voting citizens. They have enough influence to recruit the local police and military on their team.

2. These are the people looking to relocate the action. They understand that they cannot stop prostitution but profit big from it being relocated. They see major profits from land being sold and developed from the new location. It's all about the numbers to them and they have Allied themselves with group 1 because they want change of the old Sosua.

3. These are the people that already have an interest the old location. To them, the cops arresting the SW is no good. They want the harassment to stop and let things continue. They are current business owners and their employees. Haitians and Dominicans that hustle in the area, The Minority of voting citizens, and a large majority of its regular tourists.

That's about the size of it!

[Ipanema Carioca]

Different groups for the Sue. IMO.

1. These are the people that say they're tired of the Sue having a bad name. They wanted to have a good standing reputation. They want to end a prostitution in the area. They want it to be a well-known family Destiination or anything other than sex tourism. They believe they can stop prostitution in the area. They feel business in the Sue will not skip a beat or continue with minimal repercussions. They include Politicians seeking election or reelection and the majority of voting citizens. They have enough influence to recruit the local police and military on their team.

2. These are the people looking to relocate the action. They understand that they cannot stop prostitution but profit big from it being relocated. They see major profits from land being sold and developed from the new location. It's all about the numbers to them and they have Allied themselves with group 1 because they want change of the old Sosua.

3. These are the people that already have an interest the old location. To them, the cops arresting the SW is no good. They want the harassment to stop and let things continue. They are current business owners and their employees. Haitians and Dominicans that hustle in the area, The Minority of voting citizens, and a large majority of its regular tourists.

Group 1.5%of Sue-Rich and Elite.

Group 2. 10% of Sue-Working class.

Group 3. 85% of Sue-Hungry class.

[GrownMan1]

Different groups for the Sue. IMO.

1. These are the people that say they're tired of the Sue having a bad name. They wanted to have a good standing reputation. They want to end a prostitution in the area. They want it to be a well-known family Destiination or anything other than sex tourism. They believe they can stop prostitution in the area. They feel business in the Sue will not skip a beat or continue with minimal repercussions. They include Politicians seeking election or reelection and the majority of voting citizens. They have enough influence to recruit the local police and military on their team.

2. These are the people looking to relocate the action. They understand that they cannot stop prostitution but profit big from it being relocated. They see major profits from land being sold and developed from the new location. It's all about the numbers to them and they have Allied themselves with group 1 because they want change of the old Sosua.

3. These are the people that already have an interest the old location. To them, the cops arresting the SW is no good. They want the harassment to stop and let things continue. They are current business owners and their employees. Haitians and Dominicans that hustle in the area, The Minority of voting citizens, and a large majority of its regular tourists.

[Brother P]

Rumor is Rumbas will reopen in the old Mouri mai location, which is across from the casino. Interesting. No word on what will happen to the old location or what the new rules will be. Stay tuned!

[Oakie]

We'll see how the election goes. But I think Santo Domingo is making it clear they don't want a visible, attention attracting scene in sosua. They video dudes are shooting themselves in the foot.

I figured rumba, chez real and merengue would be allowed to reopen at some point because they have kitchens. But I'm sure there will be new rules tha soont will be strictly enforced. Like Oak said, this really doesn't effect expats and vets, it hits the weekend warriors kinda hard. Looking forward to my next trip. No worries!

Rumba will reopen, soon! That's a Dominican "soon"! Lol.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the U.K and Canada, at least, where I have family, Sosua has a reputation far out of proportion to it's lowly status as a small pueblo beach town. My main buddy was banned from visiting me by his wife and kids! I now tell folks I'm in PP.

A reputation passed on by thousands of sex tourists who come to Sosua every year and go back to share stories of their sexual escapades. They also come here from Canada like me, the USA, Germany, Holland and Scandinavia, and keep coming back. Cheap available and legal pussy always has a market, even for Europeans!

Also by newspaper "exposes" about the so called problems the Dominican Republic has with underage prostitution and sex tourists.

It's not the youtube videos, it's more like a bar with a bad rep. No matter how much a series of new owners spend to tart it up, it always fails, unless they tear down the building entirely.

It takes a generation to gentrify a bad zip code!

Sosua is stuck with it's rep, for better or worse! LOL.

[Brother P]

But the videos and facebook posts are not what gives it that reputation. How many views do these posts even have? Most people probably do not even know of the reputation. Ask MrGogo about when a known monger, BBBC, was roving all around the north coast and didn't even know Sosua existed. He was just passing the place by going from Puerto Plata to Cabarete. I didn't even know it existed until a coworker told me about it in 2006. And I had already been to Boca Chica twice.

It is only people that are already involved in the sex tourism that are viewing these posts anyway. Hell, I am involved in it and the only time I would even see one is when someone posts it here and I click on it. The average person like my aunt is not at home mistakenly running into these posts and saying shame, shame, shame, no more than I am accidentally running into posts about heart transplants or how to take care of a ficus tree.

We'll have to agree to disagree bruh. When the outgoing president was running for reelection he spoke of cleaning up prostitution on the north coast. Then he went further and mentioned sosua specifically. So the attitude of making change in sosua isn't a new one.

Go on YouTube and type in sosua. A lot of videos will come up. I was sent one this morning of a dude who filmed the protest in sosua last night. A lot of videos have chicas in them. The powers that be don't want that image. All the youtube video dudes don't help. Just my opinion.