Sosua Reports

[Combo]

You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.

Agreed. The only thing you accomplish by giving her more is her thinking you're an idiot and a better target for a scam.

[SavePros321]

http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdict

Damn, sorry to hear that about Cuba Dave. I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. He just seemed overly-passionate about wanting to help others get out of sex-prison and travel to meet women who would not look at you twice in your home country.

Completely different from someone like Colombian Jake who was actually setting guys up with dates, providing lodging, and acting as the middle man on the transactions.

[Mr Enternational]

I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying.

You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.

[StudBucket]

That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.

I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.

So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.

Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.

Great post Wrx, you a certainly a man of wisdom and are very practical and realistic. I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying. This girl is a Clasicos girl who is higher end with the long hair, big rack, good looks, etc. So she regularly gets her rate and has no trouble finding guys who will pay her price.

I get Frannie's point that if you are a local, of course you will have access to a book of phone numbers, the time to do this, and can find decent regulars who will short time you before the discos open or in the day. But, this is mongering website so must of us travel to different destinations. But, I am a nightime warrior who is on vacation for a short time, really want to work the girls in Merengues or Clasicos, and here it is very hard to get the BETTER LOOKING girls TLN for less than 4. 5 to 6 k or less than 2 k short time. In addition, many of the chicas will be reluctant to give you good service if they know they got beatup for a big discount. Lastly, some of the girls had no issue leaving with no guys if they didn't get their price and would dsimply come back another night. I also noticed that many of the top girls really are not out in the day at the beach or in town walking around, many of these girls wait until the night to go out and therefore, must get their price as they have a shorter window to work with. Mongering is certainly more complex than we realize and is a learning process. At the end of the day, if a girl is stuck on her price and won't budge much, there is not much you can do other than move on to the next one.

[Wrx2005]

Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.

The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.

That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.

I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.

So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.

Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.

[Frannie]

Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.

I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. Try not asking them their price, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.

Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.

The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.

[Wrx2005]

Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.

You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.

Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?

Thats a great review you gave of Shermans spot The Tree House and staff. I will be sure to pass that on to him today. I will be there later after I make my gym run. FTR (for the record) Sherman is from NYC, never lived anywhere else.

One last note on the chica pricing / expectations. You guys probably noticed this. If you ask a chica her price it's very likely a guy will get those ridiculous prices we talked about. But if you give her your price instead of asking for hers, taking into consideration, time of day / night, where the offer is made, and the style of chica you are dealing with, a guy just might get a price (ST or TLN) he can live with.

For instance, the last chica I gave a report about. She stayed again last night. But before I got her to commit, I texted her that I will give her 2700 for TLN. She agreed and it was on. If I would have asked her what her price was last night, she might have told me 3000 to 3500. Many chicas will work with you. But if you let them give you a price 1st, they might go higher and a guy may be more reluctant to negotiate down.

I've done that with other chicas. Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.

I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. It may come off cheaper for a monger to negotiate up 500 + pesos from his price ( to meet her agreement ) , than negotiating one to three thousand pesos down from her price.

Try not asking them their price 1st, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.

[StudBucket]

I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.

And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.

Yes Quagmire, I loved watching Locked Up and actually had it on my TIVO recorded so I would come home and watch any new episodes or reruns I had not seen. Many of these victims all had the commonality though of becoming mules and trying to push drugs through airports on their way home. I mean, really, if you are going to be that dumb and take the risk, you deserve to do the time. I felt bad though for the one dude who got busted in Saudi Arabia for having a party in his house with alcohol. He was locked up for a while too. Stay far away from that country, its over the top strict and restricts basic rights we have like drinking alcohol.

[StudBucket]

Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.

From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.

The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.

Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.

You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).

My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?

Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.

You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.

Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?

[Oakie]

It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.

I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:

1. Found a Ho.

2. Fucked a Ho.

3. Paid a Ho.

I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.

LOL. Don't sweat the small stuff!

Save the strategy, analysis, scheming and plotting for the free stuff!

Hiring a hooker is not that complicated for most!.

Like buying a meal! What do you feel like today? Here's a menu!

[SubCmdr]

It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.

I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:

1. Found a Ho.

2. Fucked a Ho.

3. Paid a Ho.

I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.

[Wrx2005]

We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.

All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.

Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.

From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.

The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.

Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.

You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).

My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?

[StudBucket]

I don't mean to be rude and switch the topic of Cuba Dave, in fact I felt bad for him and gave a small donation of $75 for his legal proceedings. I think he got hosed. Nonetheless, we just got back from a long 8 night trip in Sosua and wanted to share my experiences. It had been several years since I had been there and reading all the reports about the crackdowns, poor service, we were somewhat concerned about how good it would be there. Nonetheless, we arrived on a Saturday into Puerto Plata airport and took a cab into town for $20 (the standard rate is $25 but we negotiated and someone took our offer). We checked in at Casa Valeria Hotel, and saw the hotel is partially under renovation due to its restaurant being rebuilt. We settled into our rooms, and found that the rooms were very modern, clean, and well laid out. We walked around town, took a stroll through the streets and saw groups of chicas everywhere, and had lunch at Bailey's restaurant. Many of the women will give you a friendly smile, or will show interest indicators to try to get you to talk to them. The women of Sosua certainly are not shy. After taking a light sleep we decided to eat dinner at Schlemmers Stube German restaurant (good little diner off Pedro Clisante with German style dishes-good schnitzel and chicken dishes which are very reasonably priced). We would start evey night at ground zero for the action which is Merengue's Bar and then go up to Clasicos disco later and did this every night other than Tuesday.

Merengue's Bar is located right below Clasico's nighclub and is a very large bar with tv screens playing sports games, and has music. I really think Merengue's is much better than the closed Rumba's sports bar. The action here starts kicking here around 10:30 pm so its best to get here by then. Also, the shortened hours are still in effect and the bars in Sosua all close at 1 am from Sunday to Wedneday, Thursday they close at 2 am, and Friday and Saturday they are closed at 3 am. We were told that the bars in Cabarete stay open til 3 am so I suppose one could head over there to resume the action. Also, the Casino has a small disco that stays open as the after hours on a nightly basis. By 11:30 pm. Many people could be seen going into Clasico's nightclub which is right above Merengue's bar. Clasicos is not a big disco, I would say its smaller in size with a tiny dance floor, about 15 tables, and 2 long bars. It holds about 250 people in there max and can get very crowded on the weekends. The cover charge in Clasico's is $5 dollars USA Or 200 dominican pesos. In Merengues bar, the girls have to know the doorman really well, be friends with the owners, be accompanied by a male guest, in order to enter Merengue's bar. In Clasicos all the girls can get in so long as they pay the cover charge. The talent Friday and Saturday night in Clasicos is better than the other nights as the girls come in from Santiago, Santo Domingo, and local cities for the weekend. Some of the girls are quoting ridiculous prices for long time such as $100 or more, like up to 7 k. As others have said, it seems a lot of these girls live for the moment and don't take if they get repeat business or not. There are some other smaller bars like City Lights and Bar Central which specialize in Haitian girls, but we really did not go into them. Bourbon Street Restaurant has some chicas throughout the day into the early evening, so a couple of times, we would hang out and watch the talent. We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.

On a recommendation from some local expats who live there, we did visit an interesting place in Grand Laguna Sosua called Pica de Flor Bar & Restaurant, which is about 10 minutes or less from out of town (taxi is a must). This place is essentially a large bar and restaurant and as you walk in, there are anywhere from 20 to 40 ladies employed by the house that will literally smile and greet you to jock for their attention. If you see a chica you like, you may sit down with her and talk while you have a drink or bite to eat. There are some high quality girls here, and some average ones. The girls live on the premises, and there are no rooms for you to take the girl for a ride on the premises. The women are here solely to be bar find and you pay the house $100 for up to 4 hours short time or $150 all night long. I know it is a bit high compared what you get on the strip, but you are essentially paying for girls that will deliver the service with no games. Elvis runs the place, nice guy, and he wants to make sure his guests are satisfied so I have been told by the expats that the girls are solid performers. Again, we did not partake, but I came very close to taking a nice hot blondie with big rack from Santiago. Next time, I would go back. The best hours to find talent are from about 3pm to 7 pm I would say.

As far as the crackdown is concerned, I did not see choices being rounded up and going to jail, nothing like it. However, there are police that cruise the main streets and make sure girls are not just standing around and soliciting. So, the girls walk briskly and go into the bars or restaurants when the cops are present. All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.

[Quagmire1974]

I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not.

I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.

And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.

[GrownMan1]

You never know. Here we have this guy Cubadave who swears under oath that he didn't make a red cent from his Web page, and had no pension or social security, and no kind of savings or assets to pay for a legal defence, and yet he was able to maintain a pad in Key West and make monthly trips overseas and spend a fortune on hookers on the proceeds of working as a part time carpenter's helper. He seems to have been the most frugal unemployed carpenter's assistant since Jesus fed the Five Thousand on three loaves and five fishes.

Damn man I was thinking the same thing. Pad in key west carpenter's assistant and multiple trip over seas. I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not. He looks so feeble compared to his YouTube videos.