Sosua Reports

[Bliadun]

Yes, sure, but may be if she would be more honest with Wrx2005 and just admit that it was her problem and asked him to go for ST instead TLN, he would agree?

They are not licensed professionals, they are just poor women trying to make a buck while they are still young enough to sell their only sellable asset. Over the years I have been amazed how nice most of them are, but of course there are always going to be a few bad apples.

Of course problems with a baby sitter COULD affect her punctuality. She could not leave small children alone without a responsible caregiver.

Some of you guys see yourselves as hard-nosed businessmen driving a hard bargain with hard-nosed businesswomen, but I suspect that the businesswomen don't have the same perspective on the whole process as you do.

[Bliadun]

I guess I've made my calculations with most successful chicas in business.

Yet, it's hard to believe an OldKool estimation. If they only make extra $100 per month comparing to 9 to 5 job, what's the point doing that?

Yes, I agree we don't really know how much they earn. Some years ago a friend of mine was running a nightclub / brothel and he kept an Excel spreadsheet on salidas which showed that one or two very popular girls were taken out almost every night, a few fairly often, and most hardly at all. I imagine that the same pattern is replicated in Sosua-a kind of bell curve in which a few really successful hookers get nearly all the dough. So the "average" may not tell us much.

[Wrx2005]

Speaking of food for thought, how much time have you expended complaining about the 45 minutes this particular chica was late? So your time isn't as valuable as you pretend it is. I got to agree with Old Kool and Frannie on this one. Your reaction, IMO, was way over the top. 2000 pesos for 3 hours is a fair price for a nice looking woman. Your on vacation loosen up and have a nice time.

On the night in question I spent maybe 5 minutes with the chica in regards to her being late. And about 10 minutes explaining to her that I was declining her sudden change in the original plan, and willing to re-schedule for another night. So approx 15 minutes for that. And more time with her trying to get me to accept her offer. If we plan another get together, and she is on time, that time was well spent.

Here's more food for thought. You say you agree with Frannie, that my reaction was over the top. Well let me share with you a couple of statements from your comrade. This was just posted last October. And ironically, dealing with chicas behavior was what we were discussing. The following is a reference he made to how chicas should be treated.

My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, [CodeWord140] on the furniture, etc. You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.

And this,

People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.

It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.

Lateness is a good example. If you hang around for hours waiting for them if they are late, then they will do it every time. No, give them sufficient time to allow for contingencies, then make other plans.

Did you get that? He said you have to treat chicas like dogs and establish complete dominance. If you don't show them who is in charge then they get ideas. Like in this case, think they can suddenly change a plan and get you to take the bait. Or have you waiting without being considerate enough to call to inform you they will be late, and if not checked, then they'll do it every time. So in essence, I was somewhat in accord with his basic premise of taking charge of the situation and not allowing the chica to dominate the situation.

Here's more food for thought. Lots of guys get caught up aimlessly negotiating with chicas. I hear this all the time. A chica throws out the bait by telling a guy she will stay for an x amount of time for a certain amount of money. The guy goes for it, just like you thinking he's hit the jackpot with a bargain. My man, I don't know how long you've been mongering, but when a chica tells a potential client she is going to stay a certain amount of time she's likely baiting you to accept the offer. Meanwhile she may no intentions of staying the amount of time she claims. Usually it's once you nut, she's done. That can be 15 minutes or an hour. But she aint staying no 3 hours or all night just because she agreed to. And just in case you didn't get this, we never discussed nor did I post how much she was to get for staying 3 hours.

I wasnt buying it, and did not feel the need to. And FYI, the chica I replaced her with, stayed the rest of the night, about 8 hours. Enough time for 2 sessions. Now you do the math. Which option is best. Some chica who is inconsiderate by being late, tries to hustle me by changing the plan to get some quick cash, and who is only average looking, or a better looking chica who was glad that I called her, stayed 8 hours and was better company, and still was only paid 2000 pesos plus 100 pesos for transpo?

Some of you are quick to agree with each other but have no clue to what the real issues are or the depth of the people you agree with, and those you disagree with. But then, thats not my problem. I only need to think in one head. My reaction was not over the top. My reaction was on point. Now next time, this chica might not be so sloppy, and work harder to be more punctual and communicative next time I want her.

[Frannie]

Her problems with babysitter should not affect a customer.

Unless she had a medical emergency or something like that.

She is a service provider and should treat customer with respect.

They are not licensed professionals, they are just poor women trying to make a buck while they are still young enough to sell their only sellable asset. Over the years I have been amazed how nice most of them are, but of course there are always going to be a few bad apples.

Of course problems with a baby sitter COULD affect her punctuality. She could not leave small children alone without a responsible caregiver.

Some of you guys see yourselves as hard-nosed businessmen driving a hard bargain with hard-nosed businesswomen, but I suspect that the businesswomen don't have the same perspective on the whole process as you do.

[Frannie]

We have no idea how much these ladies make. Take a look at videos of night life in Sosua. Way more chicas then guys. Most girls go home without any one pulling them.

On top of that some nights are slow and their monthly visit. I would guess they get a john less then every other day. Sure there are exceptions and they stand out. However for every exception are 5 mousey girls in the background. Selling pussy in Sosua is very competitive. Some girls are shy and not good at selling there stuff. My guess is they make about $300 a month which is a $100 more then they would make on an 8 to 5. Screwing strangers may not be as easy as we may think. Some of you guys are not as charming as me.

Yes, I agree we don't really know how much they earn. Some years ago a friend of mine was running a nightclub / brothel and he kept an Excel spreadsheet on salidas which showed that one or two very popular girls were taken out almost every night, a few fairly often, and most hardly at all. I imagine that the same pattern is replicated in Sosua-a kind of bell curve in which a few really successful hookers get nearly all the dough. So the "average" may not tell us much.

[OldKool]

We have no idea how much these ladies make. Take a look at videos of night life in Sosua. Way more chicas then guys. Most girls go home without any one pulling them.

On top of that some nights are slow and their monthly visit. I would guess they get a john less then every other day. Sure there are exceptions and they stand out. However for every exception are 5 mousey girls in the background. Selling pussy in Sosua is very competitive. Some girls are shy and not good at selling there stuff. My guess is they make about $300 a month which is a $100 more then they would make on an 8 to 5. Screwing strangers may not be as easy as we may think. Some of you guys are not as charming as me.

These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 (

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nthly_salaries

). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up?

Are they stupid or is it something else?

[Bliadun]

Her problems with babysitter should not affect a customer.

Unless she had a medical emergency or something like that.

She is a service provider and should treat customer with respect.

Putting her children 1st? Are you serious? The bottom line is, the chica was lying about needing to go home early to be with her children. Her intention was to hopefully have a payday from me, and then head to the strip to find more clients there. In other words she was not going home to her children like she said, after spending time with me. Moreover there was no need for her to even dress like that, if she was only going home in 3 hours. If a chica lies to me, and uses her children as an excuse, no I don't have any respect for that. If someone else does, thats their choice. I don't have to accept that. Contrary to popular misconception, even dominican people can be held accountable for their poor choices and poor judgment.

[Bliadun]

25 days x 1, 500 pesos with only one customer per day=37, 500 pesos=US$900. Plus food and drinks from some mongers, for which otherwise she would have to pay herself. I know, girls may leave home without any customer on some night, but next day she may have 2 or 3 customers plus tips, food, gifts etc. And if chica is popular and charges for some extras as anal she makes so much more.

I know couple of chicas with whom I've tried to calculate their earnings and spending. Both made about US$2, 000-2, 500 on average month. And don't forget, they do not pay any taxes.

How did you come up with a Sosua hooker making that much money? At best I would say the average one may earn $50 every other day for a total of $750 / month - if that!

[Mr Enternational]

These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 (

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nthly_salaries

). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up? Are they stupid or is it something else?

How did you come up with a Sosua hooker making that much money? At best I would say the average one may earn $50 every other day for a total of $750 / month - if that!

[Bliadun]

These girls earn between US$1, 000 and 2, 000 per month, with average being $208 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nthly_salaries). It makes them upper middle class by local standards.

Why do you think they can't save up?

Are they stupid or is it something else?

I must say that I am with Old Kool on this one. I have been visiting the DR every few weeks or living in the DR for more than a decade and when I am in Sosua I often see chicas I have known for more than a decade. I have talked to many chicas, been to their homes, been to their weddings in a couple of cases, been to baptisms for their children, seen some grow from young women into middle aged matrons, etc.

But I see little reason or no reason to think there is anything other than a tiny, tiny minority of chicas who are selling ass as an ongoing professional business to make money and succeeding at it. All the ones I know are just earning money on a purely ad hoc basis to buy baby food, pampers, school supplies, support their mothers, etc. And the money is spent as soon as it is earned, if not before if they sell something they own at the pawn shop for money. Thus, if anything, they minimize the number of men they have sex with for money, because mostly they don't enjoy it and / or are ashamed of it, and only seek to get the money they need for immediate short term concerns.

In all the years I have talked to Dominican or Haitian chicas about their earnings, ambitions, dreams, etc. I have never met any who owned anything of more value than a passola (scooter) , and only two or three of those, that they have earned from selling ass. I have heard stories about one or two who have earned and saved enough in a few years to buy a home, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

[Qualude]

How did you conclude there was an over reaction to this individual being late? Nobody indicated a over reaction. All I did was assert to her that my time is just as valuable as hers. If I decide to decline a change in plans, thats my choice. Her getting all dolled up don't mean shit, because she wasnt doing it just for me. She failed to inform me of her change of plan before coming over. Her poor judgement caused her to miss out on what I could have offered.

Here's some food for thought.

Speaking of food for thought, how much time have you expended complaining about the 45 minutes this particular chica was late? So your time isn't as valuable as you pretend it is. I got to agree with Old Kool and Frannie on this one. Your reaction, IMO, was way over the top. 2000 pesos for 3 hours is a fair price for a nice looking woman. Your on vacation loosen up and have a nice time.

[Wrx2005]

I must say that I am with Old Kool on this one. I have been visiting the DR every few weeks or living in the DR for more than a decade and when I am in Sosua I often see chicas I have known for more than a decade. I have talked to many chicas, been to their homes, been to their weddings in a couple of cases, been to baptisms for their children, seen some grow from young women into middle aged matrons, etc.

But I see little reason or no reason to think there is anything other than a tiny, tiny minority of chicas who are selling ass as an ongoing professional business to make money and succeeding at it. All the ones I know are just earning money on a purely ad hoc basis to buy baby food, pampers, school supplies, support their mothers, etc. And the money is spent as soon as it is earned, if not before if they sell something they own at the pawn shop for money. Thus, if anything, they minimize the number of men they have sex with for money, because mostly they don't enjoy it and / or are ashamed of it, and only seek to get the money they need for immediate short term concerns.

Contrast this if you will with the African American woman I was talking to last night in Florida who works in a low paid job (about $10 per hour) , but works a LOT of overtime. She is planning to visit her sister in Japan in a couple of months, taking her daughter, and spending about $4000 on fares plus another $2000 for spending money. She is also working on saving a $10, 000 down payment to buy an Infiniti car that she will then pay off over three years and have free and clear.

In all the years I have talked to Dominican or Haitian chicas about their earnings, ambitions, dreams, etc. I have never met any who owned anything of more value than a passola (scooter) , and only two or three of those, that they have earned from selling ass. I have heard stories about one or two who have earned and saved enough in a few years to buy a home, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule.

The only chicas who seem to have prospered are those who have an ongoing relationship with a man of means from overseas, and perhaps live in a nice apartment with a / see, have the use of a car, medical insurance, dental treatment, nice clothes and salon money. Even then they rarely have anything as basic as a bank account in their own name or any security beyond the next check.

The only other way chicas prosper financially is if they marry out of the island and prosper in a foreign country, which some do, but many don't and eventually return to the DR divorced and broke.

So when I read about scheming chicas devoting their energies to scamming mongers, I take it with a pinch of salt. Most don't have many customers and would are delighted if they get the chance to spend a few hours with a pleasant guy who is good company and get 2000 pesos for their trouble, and usually try to provide a rewarding sexual experience in return.

Yeah, there might be the odd one or two who is running some complicated scheme of deception and juggling multiple clients, but probably far, far fewer than one would think from reading this board.

You haven't named one valid reason that shows why an individual should not decline a change of plans or put up with lateness.

[Wrx2005]

I truly believe that most of the girls in Sosua have kids and use their money to feed and cloth them. I treat them with respect as long as they conduct them selves well. I like to be fair and firm. I am not trying to be a sugar daddy but I have no problem being sweet to the little ladies. I felt you may have over reacted to her being late. She was upfront with you which was a mistake from her perspective. She took the time to dress nice and get to your room although 45 minutes late. She was straight shooter and paid for it. Many of these ladies get very few customers and really rely on the money for their survival. Yes I sympathize with them. Poverty a *****.

How did you conclude there was an over reaction to this individual being late? Nobody indicated a over reaction. All I did was assert to her that my time is just as valuable as hers. If I decide to decline a change in plans, thats my choice. Her getting all dolled up don't mean shit, because she wasnt doing it just for me. She failed to inform me of her change of plan before coming over. Her poor judgement caused her to miss out on what I could have offered.

Here's some food for thought. You and Frannie can hone in on this. Suppose some chica had paid a baby sitter to keep her children all night because her staying at some guys place was the original agreement they spoke of on the phone. She comes to his spot on time, but he's not there. He's up in Rumbas. He calls her 20 minutes after she gets there to tell her he will be there in 5 minutes. He actually gets there an extra 20 minutes later and in total he's 45 minutes late. When he gets there, he tells her she can only stay for 3 hours because he has other plans.

After hearing this, she declines his offer and leaves to go back home. Did she over react to a change in plan by declining his offer? Of course not. Was he being considerate and respectful of that individual by being 45 minutes late, even though he called to tell her he will be there in 5 minutes but made her wait an extra 20? The answer is no.

The key here gentlemen, it doesn't matter what the circumstances are. Nobody has to put up with someone elses inconsiderate behavior or change of plans.

[Tempoecorto]

Yeah, there might be the odd one or two who is running some complicated scheme of deception and juggling multiple clients, but probably far, far fewer than one would think from reading this board.

Let's call a spade a spade. There is one guy who have consistently been holding the fort single handed for the noble and ingenuous mongers and proving at every turn how unreliable, unprofessional and unethical the Sosua bitches are. Interestingly though, he only spends time and a fucking lot of it, of all places in Sosua, and regales all with a blow by blow account each day of how he unearthed another scammer and saved the poor monger with an almost missionary zeal to save the doomed.

[Wrx2005]

I have never heard a DR women referring to "bambinos". Are you sure she wasn't an Italian?

It is an interesting story. Maybe she showed up late because she was with another guy, and maybe she intended to leave early because she had another guy waiting and just wanted to collect your 2000 pesos in the middle of the evening. Maybe.

Or maybe she was late because she was getting ready and had to wait her turn on the dryer at the neighborhood hair salon, or perhaps she was waiting for her baby sitter or mother to return from somewhere to mind her kids and only had managed to get a sitter for a limited time, not for overnight.

45 minutes is not very late by DR standards, or by the standards of the human female in general, and she did call you to say that she was on the way, even if her estimate of time was a bit off. (They usually are.) 2000 pesos is about US$47. 50, so not a huge amount of money for 3 hours skilled labor plus use of tools.

Either way, you have not provided enough detail to make the case. What do you mean when you say she saying she had to be with her "bambino" tomorrow? The devil is entirely in the details, which are all missing. It would be far more edifying to know the exact details of her family situation and what she needs to buy for the "bambinos", how much it costs, etc.

I know you will say that you are only interested in the service she provides and the sex, but there is such a thing as small talk and in the course of a few hours of naked fun one usually finds out quite a lot about the person one is having sex with.

How would you handle this situation in the US if you stayed home from work to meet your plumber for an appointment at your house at 9:30 am and he called at 9:50 to say he was in your neighborhood, and then showed at your house at 10:15 muttering something about having to meet a counselor at his child's school, and asked to use your bathroom. You allow him to take a [CodeWord140], then tell him to be on his way as he has breached your agreement and you then call in another plumber?

You can do whatever you want with your money, but remember you are just dealing with prostitutes, not licensed and bonded professionals, and that they are just human beings, generally young and uneducated women, trying to get by like we all are. Would you really respect a woman more who did not make some effort to put the needs of her children first?

Anyway, if nothing else, your post perfectly illustrates the perils of making overnight dates with women you hardly know. Toda la noche dates are not advisable unless you have prior sexual experience of the chica and really want to face her across the breakfast table.

I already alluded to the premise that she likely intended to leave early to make more money and also to get some of mine. Your speculating further is a waste, and so is me making a case for probably only a small group of individuals who can't or won't grasp what was going on with that chica. Whatever her issue was, warranted or not, that is not my concern. The only thing that matters here, is that it is my choice to accept or decline whatever she puts forth.

BTW, the DR doesn't make standards in terms of personal time management, individual people do for themselves. Therefore I don't seek to hold the DR accountable when it's an individuals behavior in question, not the DR. And thats the biggest problem here. A lot of dudes don't hold these mofos accountable. And because of that, too much shit goes on unchecked. Well I'm here to inform. That is not going to be the case in my regard.

You say 45 minutes late is not late by DR standards? Try catching the last Caribe Tours or Metro bus to an intended destination by being 45 minutes late of final departure and see if that bus is still waiting for your late arrival. When some one has to face consequences for their actions, that might do wonders in sobering up someone to the reality that others have the choice not to accept your behavior or the standards you are using.

Putting her children 1st? Are you serious? The bottom line is, the chica was lying about needing to go home early to be with her children. Her intention was to hopefully have a payday from me, and then head to the strip to find more clients there. In other words she was not going home to her children like she said, after spending time with me. Moreover there was no need for her to even dress like that, if she was only going home in 3 hours. If a chica lies to me, and uses her children as an excuse, no I don't have any respect for that. If someone else does, thats their choice. I don't have to accept that. Contrary to popular misconception, even dominican people can be held accountable for their poor choices and poor judgment.

This situation doesn't illustrate no peril in making overnight dates. You don't even have the details and facts straight according to you. So how could it perfectly illustrate some peril? This situation perfectly illustrates how a chica will lie and deceive and even use her children to get over, and how only a select few will see this chicas behavior for what it is, and deal with it accordingly.