Sosua Reports

[Jaosousa]

Getting ready to go to the DR soon, . Damn man your posts are kinda of depressing. Sounds like alot of work and worry. If I don't speak Spanish should I even bother going to Classico's or should I just stay at BB's?

I was in Sosua, October 2008, the ratio of chicas to guys was good, lot more chicas than guys. October is probably before the main winter tourist season begins. When it is cold here in the states, lots of people go to Dom Rep., to escape the cold. Supply and demand, with more guys in town, the chicas in Sosua may believe they can demand more. Winter tourist season is coming to end, so there may be less guys in Sosua, as the weather here in the States gets warmer. Reading the recent posts, seems like some chicas are demanding some high prices. I do not know Blackbeards, so I cannot give an opinion. Classicos can be fun, when it is not jammed packed with dudes. If you go to Classicos stay away from the tigres, sometimes in Classicos there are some semi-sweet chicas, who could give you good service for a reasonable price, even if you do not speak Spanish. (there are usually some fellow mongers around who could help you with translation, or you can carry a pen and paper if you are worried, and you can write down on paper what you are willing to pay) Whatever room you use, make sure your stuff is secure. You don't need to go out to classicos with a lot of money. You can always carry an atm card with you, in case you need more money in Sosua. I have never had problems with male street thieves in Sosua, some of the chicas can be thieves and knuckleheads. Watch your pockets for chicas who like to pickpocket in the streets and in the clubs.

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[SavePros321]

I am sorry SavePros321 as you just do not have a clue as to what MiamiHeatLuver has been trying to express to you. You have such tunnel vision, you better hope nothing hits you from the sides. MiamiHeatLuver is not at all trying to tell you how to spend your money. What he has been trying to express to you is there is no reason for you to be overpaying for services, and asking you to stay in the price structure. If people start paying outside of the price structure, the girls come to expect whatever you or others have contributed to raising the scale to, which hurts all of us in the long run, as we will all be paying more in the long run.

I pray we can get past this discussion and back to our regularly scheduled program.

Urban,

You say this as if everyone is going to negotiate the same rate every time. Paying 1300 for ST and 2000 for TLN may work every time in a fixed price structure such as Blackbeard's or the Termas in Rio.

Outside of that it's a buyers market.

You stated you haven't been to DR in 4 years. I am positive a lot has changed since.

Go back and read my post from December '08. In it you will find that I only went outside of BB's twice, and that was to go to Classico's. You will also find that the chica at Classico's the first night I went quoted me 3000, but I countered with 2000, to which she said "fine."

Know why?

Because the connection was so to where I did not have to haggle much. It's all in my '08 trip report. I am not making this up! I'm sure I probably could have gotten her down to 1500, but I was comfortable with paying 2000 (which is the going rate for TLN anyway).

Continue to read my report and you will find that the second night I was at Classico's, I took a semi pro back to BB's without even discussing money, banged her, and then told her how much I was going to pay her in the morning.

Why?

Because the connection was so that I probably could have gotten away with not paying her anything. It's all in my '08 trip report. I am not making this up!

So what I gave them both 500 pesos extra for taxi. Hell, the semi pro lived right in Puerto Plata! So what they got 500 pesos on top of the 2000. Call it propina. Whatever. I had fun.

If you can get TLN for 800 pesos, then good for you. Just don't assume that everyone else should/will be able to do the same.

[Helpmann]

Getting ready to go to the DR soon, . Damn man your posts are kinda of depressing. Sounds like alot of work and worry. If I don't speak Spanish should I even bother going to Classico's or should I just stay at BB's?

If it's your first time mongering in Latin America, you don't speak Spanish, and you are traveling by yourself, you may want to strongly consider an all-inclusive like Blackbeard's. Better yet, you might want to look at traveling to the Phillipines or Rio.

-Helpmann

The 80%

[SavePros321]

Hey I know that bed. Is that room. Is that room #3?

This room is on the second floor. Don't remember the room number...

[Bigup]

WTF happened down here man? I have only been gone since last March. Everyone I have talked to today...even chicks I have hit for free...is starting at 2000 and going to 1500 minimum. And that is just for 1 hour. My brother just hit this chick. I didn't get the price up front on purpose to teach him a lesson. During this time I walked down to Rocky's and back to Europa. They were already finished. She wanted 2500! She called somebody on the phone telling them that I wasn't going to pay. I told her that I would give her 1000 and no more. She didn't want to accept it. She called them back then she took the 1000. I'm kinda scared to go to the clubs if the daytime action is like this. Hell I'm even scared to call my non-pros. They might tell me 4000!

Wow I thought it was just happening to me. I was there the last week in Feb and I notice a great deal of chicas asking for 3000 to 3500 at night. One chica across the street from Pj's in the little Bar on the corner on the right even asked for 3000 for 3 hours at 5pm. If I remember correctly we had just finished eating and walked over to the bar to get a better look. My wing man asked one of the chicas if she wanted to go back with him for 1000 she laughed and said me pretty Papi. Her friend's then said they would go back only for 3000. He then told them he only needed her for 2 hours, which she replied I know. I told her wait we'll we go rob a bank. Thank the mongering Lords we had 3 recycled reserves each waiting for us to return on this trip. We normally arrive on the Wed and tell them were arriving 3 days later to give us time to search for new recruits to bang. All in all I got to operated on 3 old ones and 2 new ones, and they were all happy with 2000 for the night.

[Misterm]

BaratoHeatLuver,

If 2500 for TLN is being "taken to the cleaners" then apparently I have no idea what the hell I am doing.

If 2500 or $70 is too much for you, then maybe you should seek a second source of employment to supplement your income and cheap mongering budget instead of being so concerned about me being "taken to the cleaners" (but I do appreciate the concern).

If 2500 can get me this below, then I guess I am comfortable with that price point (and being "taken to the cleaners")

P.S.

Speaking of cleanliness, please excuse the mess I made

Hey I know that bed. Is that room. Is that room #3?

[UrbanWildlife]

CheapHeatLuver,

I don't tell you how to spend your money, so please don't lecture me on how to spend mine.

As an occasional lurker on this board, since I have not been back to the Dominican in 4 years, I want to make a post about the back and forth battle for lack of a better word between MiamiHeatLuver and SavePros321.

I am sorry SavePros321 as you just do not have a clue as to what MiamiHeatLuver has been trying to express to you. You have such tunnel vision, you better hope nothing hits you from the sides. MiamiHeatLuver is not at all trying to tell you how to spend your money. What he has been trying to express to you is there is no reason for you to be overpaying for services, and asking you to stay in the price structure. If people start paying outside of the price structure, the girls come to expect whatever you or others have contributed to raising the scale to, which hurts all of us in the long run, as we all will end up paying more because of it.

To give you a couple of examples, so maybe your tunnel vision will disappear. Just a year and half ago, to 2 years ago in Cartagena, Colombia, you could have a girl as an overnight guest for around 75,000 pesos. Now, because of an influx of Americans, Italians, and the Del Rey and Blue Marlin monger invasion into Cartagena, the girls are asking up to 300,000 to 400,000 thousand pesos. Why? Because these people chose to have the mentality you have, which is, "it is my money, and I will spend it how I wish", not taking into consideration, if everybody had this attitude we all would be broke, as the more people pay the girls, the more they come to expect. In the Philippines, the Koreans and Japs are giving the girls double what a Westerner would pay them, so what happens, the girls want nothing to do with a Westerner if the Asians I mentioned above are in the house. Why? Because they know they can get more money from them, because it has now become the norm for the Koreans and Japs to pay above and beyond what the Westerners will pay.

It is quite simple, if the girls know a certain percentage of the guys are going to pay them an above scale rate, they are going to start to demand that amount of money. This is all MiamiHeatLuver is trying to point out to you. I have known MiamiHeatLuver for a long time, and I can tell you he is far from being cheap. He is very generous infact, but shows his generousity in other ways, such as taking a girl he has really clicked with out to a nice restaurant, or buying her a nice outfit, or taking her to a salon to get her hair or nails done. What he does not do, is pay outside of the price structure that is set in place for the area of the country he might be visiting.

I hope you set your bullheadedness aside, and look at the big picture of what he was trying to point out in his post to you. He was not trying to get into a pissing match with you, as that is not his style. He was only trying to have you look outside of the tunnel you were looking through, hoping it would help you in your future negotiating.

[Doker44]

Overpaying isn't necessary and can be down right dangerous. I don't care if someone wants to pay 2x - 100x more than the actual cost; however, you can become a target for thieves that might believe that you either don't value your money or you're stupid.

Sosua and Boca Chica are the cesspools of the Dominican Republic and anyone throwing money around will be noticed and targeted by criminals. Nevertheless, it's a vacation and you should have a good time. Although, the 401K guy paid 4x - 6x more than necessary (90x more the DR minimum wage,) he had a great time and will probably do it again in another 5 - 10 years.

I try not to judge how people spend their money in the Dominican Republic; however, I do try to avoid hanging around those that spend it foolishly. Those guys attract trouble.

-Helpmann

The Puta Curve
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Getting ready to go to the DR soon, . Damn man your posts are kinda of depressing. Sounds like alot of work and worry. If I don't speak Spanish should I even bother going to Classico's or should I just stay at BB's?

[Helpmann]

Nevertheless, in my comparatively limited experience, the very best lays that I have had in Sosúa were all with Haitian girls. The most hardened by far were all Dominicans. All of the Dominicans were flaky or cold. All but one Haitians were simply wonderful. Maybe I just had bad luck.

I am sorry to hear that you've had such bad luck with Dominicanas. Haitian or Dominican it's not a hard and fast rule like location, age, and time of day. Fuck Puppet, DD, and Ms. J, were all Haitian girls and all were good.

Ms. J was tall and skinny as rail, but she could take a good ass reaming. Damn, after a half hour of loosening up her asshole with my dick, I know that I could have fit my whole fist in there. Shit, if I hadn't of met "Spinner" (old business), I still might be seeing Ms. J.

-Helpmann

Helpmann's Scale

[Cunning Linguist]

Overpaying isn't necessary and can be down right dangerous. I don't care if someone wants to 2x - 100x more than the actual cost; however, you can become a target for thieves that might believe that you either don't value your money or you're stupid.

Sosua and Boca Chica are the cesspools of the Dominican Republic and anyone throwing money around will be noticed and targeted by criminals. Nevertheless, it's a vacation and you should have a good time. Although, the 401K guy paid 4x - 6x more than necessary (90x more the DR minimum wage,) he had a great time and will probably do it again in another 5 - 10 years.

I try not to judge how people spend their money in the Dominican Republic; however, I do try to avoid hanging around those that spend it foolishly. Those guys attract trouble.

-Helpmann

The Puta Curve
The Hunt
Helpful Hints to Hunt
First Impression
BATNA
Happy Hunting!

I enjoy your comments and appreciate your observation, especially about the tigresses and gazelles.
Nevertheless, in my comparatively limited experience, the very best lays that I have had in Sosúa were all with Haitian girls. The most hardened by far were all Dominicans. All of the Dominicans were flaky or cold. All but one Haitians were simply wonderful. Maybe I just had bad luck. I speak fluent Spanish but I also can get by in Krèyol. I suppose everyone has different experiences. I still pine for views of your Haitian lay that you dubbed "Fuckpuppet". Great pictures!

[Ponderosa]

.... Ten nights, two 19 y.o. escorts for the entire time, meals and domestic drinks for only $8,500.00. He borrowed from his 401k to treat himself. I thought to myself, have i spent that much on all my trips since 1994 to over 16 countries total???? This, is what I call an Idiot,

My guess is this guy went the Oxygen or Vikings or DR Nights route. This pricing doesn't suprise me too much because I know when I first did some looking into punting internationally, those looked like the only places "civil" enough to go too.

I am quite happy I found ISG and did some research. More chicas, less dinero.

[Helpmann]

Ten nights, two 19 y.o. escorts for the entire time, meals and domestic drinks for only $8,500.00. He borrowed from his 401k to treat himself. I thought to myself, have i spent that much on all my trips since 1994 to over 16 countries total???? This, is what I call an Idiot

Overpaying isn't necessary and can be down right dangerous. I don't care if someone wants to pay 2x - 100x more than the actual cost; however, you can become a target for thieves that might believe that you either don't value your money or you're stupid.

Sosua and Boca Chica are the cesspools of the Dominican Republic and anyone throwing money around will be noticed and targeted by criminals. Nevertheless, it's a vacation and you should have a good time. Although, the 401K guy paid 4x - 6x more than necessary (90x more the DR minimum wage,) he had a great time and will probably do it again in another 5 - 10 years.

I try not to judge how people spend their money in the Dominican Republic; however, I do try to avoid hanging around those that spend it foolishly. Those guys attract trouble.

-Helpmann

The Puta Curve
The Hunt
Helpful Hints to Hunt
First Impression
BATNA
Happy Hunting!

[Jaosousa]

A public taxi from Sosua to Cabarete is about 30 pesos, but the 500 pesos could be considered an ex gratia goodwill payment and a contribution to international relations.

I believe savepros gave her taxi fare from Blackbeards, which is in Costambar, to get her to her home in Cabarete (that is at least an hour ride). 500 pesos for that trip is reasonable, especially if the chica is in sexy clothes (from the night before), she may feel uncomfortable getting into a guagua in the daytime, with a short miniskirt and her tits popping out (sometimes it pays to be a gentleman with some of the chicas in Dom. Rep., but not with all of them). If the chica gave good service, he is also building goodwill for his future visits with her (more gfe type experience, possible threesome with her friends and he can always be less generous with her on his future meetings with her). I have overpayed with some chicas and when i saw them again, that got factored into the equation and I payed them less on subsequent visits.

Sometimes the day after, I just want to get rid of them, so the 500 pesos could be like a just leave quickly fee. Using a guagua from Puerto Plata to Caberete may cost around 100 pesos (I really don't know). I wouldn't want to be in a really crowded small old van (guagua), that makes many stops, with strangers practically sitting on my lap, especially after drinking all night.

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[Jaosousa]

I have enjoyed posts and pictures from both of you for a long, long time! I don't enjoy any of these.

But it does remind me of what happened to me in December when I was returning to the u.s. from Sosua. A guy in the airport (POP), struck up a conversation with me. He said he had just spent the best ten days of his life in the DR. He was recently divorced, and a friend recommended a trip for him: Ten nights, two 19 y.o. escorts for the entire time, meals and domestic drinks for only $8,500.00. He borrowed from his 401k to treat himself. I thought to myself, have i spent that much on all my trips since 1994 to over 16 countries total???? This, is what I call an Idiot,

Lets move Forward!!!

Reminds me of when I would invite my father to the movies, my father loves to watch movies. He told me that when he was a kid the cinema cost 5 cents to get in and he would be there all day. He refuses to go the cinema now, because the ticket prices are 8-10 dollars and on principal and from his past experiences he considers 8 dollars an outrageous price to watch a movie.

I can remember when I first started going to Sosua, I would read these boards and some guys where getting laid in Sosua for 500 pesos. My wingman loves to negotiate, some people have that personality. I myself am more low key and not big into negotiating, I ask the price, if the price is too high, I walk away. Lots of things get factored into what you will pay, how drunk you might be, how horny you might be, how curious you are to have sex with a particular type of chica. I don't like coming home after a mongering trip and say to myself, I wish I would have done some particular chica, but her price was 15 dollars more than I was willing to pay. Sometimes I may overpay. Price paid doesn't always correlate into quality of the service. I met some 19 year old chica who lives in Sosua, good sex and I paid her nothing. Of course now when I speak with her she wants some expensive gift.

I can remember when I thought I was being generous giving a chica 1, 500 pesos. My wingman would bargain them down to less than that. Times change, prices go up.

[Frannie]

I have enjoyed posts and pictures from both of you for a long, long time! I don't enjoy any of these.
But it does remind me of what happened to me in December when I was returning to the u.s. from Sosua. A guy in the airport (POP), struck up a conversation with me. He said he had just spent the best ten days of his life in the DR. He was recently divorced, and a friend recommended a trip for him: Ten nights, two 19 y.o. escorts for the entire time, meals and domestic drinks for only $8,500.00. He borrowed from his 401k to treat himself. I thought to myself, have i spent that much on all my trips since 1994 to over 16 countries total???? This, is what I call an Idiot,

Lets move Forward!!!

Well, he did get a great deal by US standards, where the average wife would only provide sex one time in ten days at the same cost.

What we probably need to to start a Fair Trade Sex scheme.

"Trading terms offered by Fair Trade buyers enable producers and workers to maintain a sustainable livelihood; that is one that not only meets day-to-day needs for economic, social and environmental well being but that also enables improved conditions in the future."

So we need to pay 'em enough to cover the cost of doing business, enough to pay for their basic needs, and a little bit extra for a job well done.

Of course, finding certified Fair Trade sex vendors is a problem. I guess this is what Blackbeard's tries to do, but dealing with freelance, street, and beach vendors is a bit more tricky.

A public taxi from Sosua to Cabarete is about 30 pesos, but the 500 pesos could be considered an ex gratia goodwill payment and a contribution to international relations.