Sosua Reports

[Davidb3069]

Who knows? BBBJ is unlikely to transmit an infection to a man. Condomless anal sex is extremely likely to give you an infection, especially an e-coli urinary infection. However, you can buy antibiotics cheaply without a presription in the DR and a 5-day course of Cipro should take care of most infections.

Next time a chick has sores around her mouth because she's picked up herpes, I wouldn't recommend the BBBJ. I took one girl to the doctor in Sosua that had obvious herpes. If that mouth had wrapped itself around you and a blister broke, you'd be looking at being a new carrier yourself.

David

[Davidb3069]

I cant get a straight answer out of Verizon wireless as to whether their cell phones work in DR. I have a VX8700 phone and some of the Verizon reps claim it will work(roaming of course) and some say it wont.

Does anyone have any experience using their Verizon cell phone in DR? Thanks.

Not sure. You can buy inexpensive pre-paid phones in DR. In Sosua, there is a shop just a block or two from the beach.

David

[Davidb3069]

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her. Just because you had to pay don't tell me that I am inhumane because I did not have to. If we are both at McDonald's and the cashier makes you pay but gives me my Big Mac meal for free or at a discounted rate, who are you to get shitty with me? Like I said, that is not the first time that has happened to me in Sosua (as my previous posts will verify) and I am sure that it is not only me that it has happened to. Hell, I have held out a handful of money before and the girl has declined, saying that she only wanted money for a motoconcho. Maybe it is you who needs the humanity check if you think that everybody is after money.

If the girl doesn't accept an offer, that's one thing. To not offer anything hoping to get a freebie is just flat out cheap (I am talking about pros or non-pros working as hookers). While not all girls expect money, many would be willing to take it. Only the ones that don't want to feel (or look like) a hooker wouldn't take $$. A gift might be a good substitute.

This is why gringos are the laughing stock of countries like DR. Most of the girls know the score too well. They just hope you don't.

There are many non-hookers (really are not one) that don't want to be seen with a gringo for fear of being thought of as a hooker.

David

[Showdown]

I cant get a straight answer out of Verizon wireless as to whether their cell phones work in DR. I have a VX8700 phone and some of the Verizon reps claim it will work(roaming of course) and some say it wont.

Does anyone have any experience using their Verizon cell phone in DR? Thanks.

[Davidb3069]

Some girls are not really pros, or are very naive and inexperienced with gringos, and are too ashamed to ask for money for sex, but it does not mean that they don't need it.

They hope to meet a boyfriend, rather than just sell sex, because they see other girls who have foreign boyfriends who help them out financially, and maybe get them out of the DR.

Right on target. Most of them are just too ashamed to ask for money but they are there hoping to score some cash. Some only do it when they really need money badly. Some make it a career. If that non-pro does it enough, or has a friend that teaches her the ropes, she might be your future pro. The easy money is very attractive to the girls. I've only seen a few manage to get out of the trade.

David

[Frannie]

Frannie, you make a good, very good, point. I agree completely that one should not pay too much. For example, one of the guys mentioned something about $70 or so for short-time company. The other extreme is bad, too. I would have presented the girl with $15 to $20. In Costa Rica, I had a girl refuse money. I said it was "for the baby," and she took it after some back and forth. Being a fair person IS NOT inconsistent with the activities that we discuss.

Thanks. Obviously my comments about Fair Trade Mongering are a little tongue in cheek, but there is a serious point.

I have an e-mail friend whom I have never met who is an escort in London, UK. We have exchanged 100s of e-mails.

She is a popular "provider" who has a Web site, is well reviewed, and charges reasonable rates. In other words, she is running a small self-employment business in addition to her day job.

This is exactly what many of these girls in the DR are mostly NOT. They are not businesswomen. They are just poor women doing whatever they can to meet their needs. They have little concept of good business practice or what is a fair price. As far as they are concerned, the more the better, but something is better than nothing.

They don't even like to think of themselves as selling sex for money. (I am talking about the ones who are not hard core pros.)

We are the same. We would much prefer to have sex for free with waitresses or shop assistants or young single mothers than pay a real professional like my friend in London. No matter how good the "provider" free sex is valued much more highly than paid sex. Quite a paradox!

This is why novia sex in the DR is attractive to many men, including myself. Having sex without condoms with an attractive partner when the moment arises sponstaneously--day or night--is a pretty close approximation to nonpaid sex, and it is something that is easily attainable in the DR, though not in our home countries. Of course in the end it still costs you money, but you do not pay on a per sex act basis.

Somewhere a balance has to be struck. Negotiation is the answer, but it must be fair negotiation so that both sides feel they are getting what they want out of the deal, or somewhere close.

People who are critical of sex tourism--yes, there are a few!--tend to think of us exploiting poor third-world women, though one might equally argue that they are exploiting us. the ideal balance is that both we and they feel we are getting the best deal.

Me: "I had great sex with a stunningly beautiful young woman thirty years my junior for only $50. What else could I get for that money that would give me a lasting memory?"

She: "I earned $1600 pesos for less than two hours work, the man treated me nicely, and I earned as much as I could make in a week waitressing. Good deal."

Or:

"I expect everyone of my crowd to make fun
Of my proud protestations of faith in romance,
And they'll say I'm naïve as a babe to believe
Every fable I hear from a person in pants...

... but I'm in love with a wonderful guy."

[South Pacific: Lyrics to A Wonderful Guy]

[Sammon]

Please take note of all experiences in the Forum of not discussing money upfront with the girl.
Some members may disagree with me but here are my tips.

1. Mongering is strictly a business matter.
2. It never is a fixed price deal anywhere in the world.
3. Prices have to be negotiated between the buyer and seller taking into consideration of the quality of the merchandise, lenghth of the time it will be usefull and the throwaway time factor.
4. Generally speaking the girls will abide by the price agreed except for small tips.
5. Always agree on a price so that this will eliminate unpleasantary exchanges between you, the girl, the security, bystanders, nosy people, police, judge and possibly jail.

[Intl Travelor]

Maybe we need to invent the concept of Fair Trade Mongering just like we have Fair Trade coffee and other third world products.

Wearing your Fair Trade Monger badge will, of course, get you a discount from Fair Trade Providers.

Interesting topic. To pay or not to pay when given the option? Frankly, I do not think there is anything wrong with not paying. Myself, I always give some money, especially when they have one or more children. However, I do not think there is anything wrong if you don’t. These women, like women everywhere, are not stupid and naïve. If they want money, then they will ask for it either directly or indirectly. It does not sound to me that was the case in this situation. My only criticism with Mr E is DR is not the place where you should brag about not paying. Many of the women in DR I find to be looking for more than just money. They are looking for someone to treat them nice, respect them and show them a good time. DR is different than, for example, a professional Columbian in place like Panama or Costa Rica. Heh, if you can get it for free in a place like that from a hot professional Columbian, then I am impressed!

[Professor 1]

Maybe we need to invent the concept of Fair Trade Mongering just like we have Fair Trade coffee and other third world products.

Wearing your Fair Trade Monger badge will, of course, get you a discount from Fair Trade Providers.

Frannie, you make a good, very good, point. I agree completely that one should not pay too much. For example, one of the guys mentioned something about $70 or so for short-time company. The other extreme is bad, too. I would have presented the girl with $15 to $20. In Costa Rica, I had a girl refuse money. I said it was "for the baby," and she took it after some back and forth. Being a fair person IS NOT inconsistent with the activities that we discuss.

[Yanqui69]

Maybe I am missing something here. I was merely responding to David's post with an example of it not always being about money and negociating. I do not recall bragging about anything. As I said, the subject of money never came up. I did not set out and say hey I am going to go home with you and fuck you. It was nothing like that. We were merely talking and getting to know each other and things happened.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her. Just because you had to pay don't tell me that I am inhumane because I did not have to. If we are both at McDonald's and the cashier makes you pay but gives me my Big Mac meal for free or at a discounted rate, who are you to get shitty with me? Like I said, that is not the first time that has happened to me in Sosua (as my previous posts will verify) and I am sure that it is not only me that it has happened to. Hell, I have held out a handful of money before and the girl has declined, saying that she only wanted money for a motoconcho. Maybe it is you who needs the humanity check if you think that everybody is after money.

Mr E,
Not trying to get into a "flaming" contest.

My only point was that even if you could get away with a freebie, a little generosity wouldn't have been bad.
I will accept that occasionally non-pro Dominicanas might be found partying in the Sosua bars, - (but I does anyone really believe that was the case here?).

S you saw for yourself, the girl is renting a shabby room in Sosua, she's hanging around the bar with one other girl; -hmm, is she just "getting away on on vacation"?
Did she travel to Sosua from another town because she's bored, or there are no bars at home? Is this a hobby for her?
No, I think any reasonable person will surmise that she's there to try to make some money.

If you can get laid by a German working locally, great.
I also assume she's there to party and doesn't need the cash.

Its not about "hating" (gees, grow up)
or whether I "have to pay" or not.
If I (we) can afford to travel for mongering, there's room in the budget for a little generosity.
Clearly you can afford it, and she could obviously use the money.
So why not?
I'm just saying that if the girl was good to you, you could have been good to her too, whether you "had to" or not.
Knowing the girl's situation, I would suggest (not just to you , but anyone reading this) to offer her some cash anyway,
-just offer it "para tu niña" (for your baby).

Maybe its just me, - (but I think a lot of others as well would feel the same)
when we go to a place as poverty-stricken as the DR, and have a great time with a girl that is obviously poor, -if she's shared her body with me, I can afford to share a little with her.

If you offer her some cash and she declines for reasons of her own, fine,
but I would not feel right if I at least did not offer her something.

No insults, -maybe just a different point of view.

[Pathologic]

Who knows? BBBJ is unlikely to transmit an infection to a man. Condomless anal sex is extremely likely to give you an infection, especially an e-coli urinary infection. However, you can buy antibiotics cheaply without a presription in the DR and a 5-day course of Cipro should take care of most infections.

Using a condom for intercourse greatly reduces chances of an STD.

Completely agree with you...although zithro is a good complementary recommendation to make sure all nasties are deleted (single dose - 48hr absorption)! I can assure other readers that BBBJ can, and quite often does transit the clap (gonorrhea) and various other nasty organisms. As you correctly say BBBJ does not have the same propensity to transmit as anal or unprotected anal and vaginal, however please don't think that BBBJ's are completely safe. Refer http://www.healthboards.com/boards/a.../t-151040.html.

Not prevalent in DR, mostly in Asian strains of bacterial STD's like neisseria gonorrhoeae and other urethral and cervical STD's, it comes down to the amount of risk you wish to accept.

[Mr Enternational]

Young Dominican women do not go to Latino's or Merengue bar for a night out with their friends. They go there to meet gringos. Why would they go to a place where the drinks are so expensive relative to their earnings when there are tipicos they can go to that are cheaper, or stay around their barrio?

Again I have to disagree. I have seen Dominican women coming together to celebrate in Latino's paying no mind that there were gringos in the place. I have also seen Dominican women with Dominican men coming to party at Latino's. My friend's Dominican girlfriend has brought him to Latino's, her not knowing there were hookers there. And there are also European women on vacation. Not to mention the German girl who I met in Latino's and have had relations with. She has a job in admin at the airport in Puerto Plata. And my immigration officer at the airport? Let's not pretend that Latino's, Sosua, or the DR's only existence is but for gringo's and poor, desolate, innocent hookers to combine. Because my experience in those places speak to the contrary.

[Frannie]

Ok Gents, now that I am safely back in the states I can relate this story in full detail. The chica, Mary, with a big rose and something tattoo on her right thigh, gives me this "are you kidding me? " response to my 660 peso/$20USD offer. I feel she is trying to game me and my defensive wall rises high and strong. She drops the money, says "Ok, ok " and walks away while dialing the phone number. Standing outside my room, she’s talking to someone, says she is at New Garden, guy is in room #4 (my room). I’m thinking, "Oh shit, the last thing I need is some crazy Dominican friend of hers to come and get crazy with me. " Now a little worried about what’s going to happen, I walk down with her to where the New Garden security guard "G" is. She complains to G, G tells me that girls in DR get paid well for service. I’m thinking "Damn G, you’re hotel security, I thought you would be on my side. " I read too many posts here about ST being 500-1000 and agree with the CrossFire who said there may be too many posts here about trying to be a cheap ass when paying for chicas....


...Now, in retrospect, 3000 pesos and no argument would have been the better choice Spending any portion of my vacation in a DR jail is worth several hundreds of $$$.

I later learn on this trip that the finer chicas are looking for 2000 pesos for 1-2 hours and turning down offers for 1000, sometimes 1500 is accepted.

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Thanks for posting this. You had a tough experience, but it is one that a lot of readers here can learn from and hopefully avoid going through what you went through.

It is not easy to deal with a foreign country on your first trip, and to negotiate with natives who are fully oriented to the local system. At least you got out of it all safely.

In general, although the general public sees third world prostitution in terms of exploitation and sleazy sex, it always amazes me just how well most people on both sides (them and us) behave in the arena of paid sex, how few disputes arise, and how most participants are gentle, affectionate, and considerate of each other to a much greater degree than you might expect.

[Frannie]

Maybe I am missing something here.

If a hooker (it was never even established that this young lady was a hooker by the way, as there are also non-pros that go to Latino's) wants to fuck me for free then that is between me and her.

Young Dominican women do not go to Latino's or Merengue bar for a night out with their friends. They go there to meet gringos. Why would they go to a place where the drinks are so expensive relative to their earnings when there are tipicos they can go to that are cheaper, or stay around their barrio?

Some girls are not really pros, or are very naive and inexperienced with gringos, and are too ashamed to ask for money for sex, but it does not mean that they don't need it.

They hope to meet a boyfriend, rather than just sell sex, because they see other girls who have foreign boyfriends who help them out financially, and maybe get them out of the DR.

In Dominican relationships it is assumed that the man will provide financially in some way, according to his means.

I don't think you quite understand how unequal these relationships are in terms of power if you think that Dominican girls are going out to places like Latino's just hoping for a good night out and get laid by a good-looking stranger.

The fact that this girl gave you her phone number indicates that she was hoping for some kind of ongoing relationship, which clearly was not your intention. When you asked her for her phone number, you gave her the impression that you wanted to see her again. So she did not ask you for money, because she did not want to deter you from calling again.

You said you received a phone call from one of your "non-pros from Santiago" and that you cleaned up the apartment to conceal the 'evidence'. Clearly you did not see the girl you spent the night with as a non-pro of equal status to your non-pro visitor from Santiago.

In such a situation, even if she did not ask for money, it would have been appropriate to offer her a gift of cash to buy something for her child. In that way she would have been able to accept it without it looking like cash for sex.

We see again and again on these boards that misunderstandings arise because of cultural differences. Working women who are financially independent in the US and other developed countries will go out on the town to get some casual sex without any thought of getting money or benefits from the men they screw. It does not work that way in the DR, at least not with the kind of poor girls you will meet in place like Sosua. Sexual relationships are a means of exchange.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes, but you know, there is no harm in going up to Sosua on the morning bus on day two, staying one night, then back again the next evening. He is on vacation and has nothing else to do. The bus is not expensive at all--less than $10 each way, and he can sample the chicas of the capital and of Sosua, see quite a bit of the DR and figure out the lay of the land for his next trip.

True indeed. It is quite a bargain for $6. But that is a loooong bus trip, especially if you will have to make a roundtrip. I remember waking up leaving Boca Chica about 9:30am and taking a bus into the capital. When I got to Caribe Tours the next scheduled bus was at 12:30. I ended up getting to Sosua about 5:00 or so. So it pretty much ate up my whole day. But I did have time to hit the beach for a quick swim before sundown.

There are no assigned seats so before the bus is ready to board everybody makes a line at the door. I was first in the line and I only had a backpack (hence no luggage to check underneath) so I was able to get the front seat with the leg room that is opposite the driver's side. There were many beautiful women boarding the bus but they were all going towards the back and some were with their boyfriends or husbands. An average girl who was not really my type decided to sit next to me. During the trip she offered and shared her food and drink with me.

In hindsight, after reading Yanqui's post, maybe I should have given her money for it. She was obviously dirt poor. I knew this because right after we left the Puerto Plata stop she opened her suitcase and changed into a pair of clear high-heeled shoes. Wink-wink! We both got off at the Sosua stop where motoconchos were already waiting. I hopped on one and headed for the Europa. Later that night we spoke to each other for a hot second at Latino's before I called the other girl over.