Sosua Reports

[Wrx2005]

I tried so hard to stay out of this conversation but here I am. First my condolences go out to the victims family, hopefully the African American business owners will come together and make some kind of humanitarian effort to assist the family with their loss.

I tried to keep an open mind and just stick with the facts but the conspiracy theories I heard on back channels had me thinking.

Initially I had a few questions: 1) In the video of them walking down the street, they were walking to the Europa hotel end not to the Alicia end which is in the complete opposite direction. 2) Where is the video of them entering the hotel together? 3) Its many big dark skinned brothers with bald heads walking around Sosua, could they have the wrong guy to quickly close the case for tourism?

Then I heard from a girl there that the girl had a Haitian boyfriend and he killed her and fled to Haiti, and the police grabbed the wrong guy.

But then I saw the video and it looked like the suspect from the back, where is the face video of him entering the hotel.

Now I hear he had a problem earlier this year with the same circumstances and others are now coming forward about him. Also I hear it's a new investigation going on internationally to see if its others and he might have been a serial killer.

The guy has a mental problem but that won't matter in the DR, but he appears to be a monster and I can no longer look at the conspiracy theories and more.

Again my sympathy goes to the family.

This is why a proper and thorough investigation needs to be conducted. To find out WHO WHEN WHERE WHY AND HOW. So far most of those variables have not been made clear and without leaving doubt.

[Wrx2005]

What we are sure about is that the authorities are bent on eliminating sex tourism in Sosua and the upbeat voices for mongering in Sosua just took a beating.

How so are they bent on eliminating sex tourism? How do we know the goal is to eliminate sex tourism? And not the authorities simply being concerned and embarrassed over the image that sex tourism supposedly projects under their jurisdiction? How do we know that whatever measures and rhetoric that is in the works arent merely steps to give the appearance of being concerned about sex tourism, but in reality nothing really changes?

How are places like Black Beards and Oasis still allowed to operate if authorities in those areas are bent on eliminating sex tourism? Are we to believe that the elimination of sex tourism is only a concern in Sosua? What measures have authorities taken towards eliminating sex tourism in Sosua? Telling certain types of businesses that they will have to move to the other end of town? Arresting chicas to stay in a jail overnight, no record, no court date? Back on the street after paying a fine, or freed in the morning and back on the street later that night? These are the steps to eliminating sex tourism? And men are free to walk about with no hassles from law enforcement? Only females are scrutinized for not having a male escort? These are steps to eliminating sex tourism?

Are the businesses in Sosua complaining about all of these sex tourists lurking around in Sosua? Or is it that anybody who is in office would have to give the appearance of giving a shit, if pressured to produce results? I don't claim to know what the future holds for mongers or sex tourism, but I don't suspect prostitution will be going away anytime soon. We can change the name if were so concerned about the label "sex tourist or sex tourism." Lets just say men of all ilk come to the DR to enjoy the country and enjoy intermingling with it's inhabitants. Yeah, that's sounds much better. Problem solved.

[Mr Enternational]

This chica was not one of the bad ones. She gave good service and did play games.

And you know this because? It seems you are forgetting the main tenant of mongering. Your Mileage May Vary. Same as I posted a few years ago on the chick that I took because Tomjackin was familiar with her and had not had any problems with her. Broad tried to scam me though and the cops sent her packing. On any given day anybody could do anything.

P. S. You couldn't cut Lee Hardy's name out of the picture before posting it?

[Mr Enternational]

Many a female lost their lives or got seriously hurt believing that a man has no right to hit them, even if they hit the men 1st. When females use that philosophy, challenge and / or miscalculate who they're dealing with, you can have outcomes like this where the females end up losing the most.

Exactly. If I run up and start hitting Shaq Attack and he turns around and pummels me, then I deserved it. If a woman runs up and starts hitting me and I knock the shit out of her then I have no right to hit a female. What kind of... A mf has a right to do whatever they have to in order to defend themselves against anyone irrespective of their gender.

[OldKool]

This chica was not one of the bad ones. She gave good service and did play games.

[Wrx2005]

Irrespective of what really happened the guy had no right to hit the girl or strangle the girl. I do not believe it was a choking incident during sex. Bottom line is there was definitely a big fight and the girl got the worst of it.

Many a female lost their lives or got seriously hurt believing that a man has no right to hit them, even if they hit the men 1st. When females use that philosophy, challenge and / or miscalculate who they're dealing with, you can have outcomes like this where the females end up losing the most.

[Turgid]

.................... It also will cast additional suspicion on African-American sex tourists.......................................

That's rather myopic or perhaps wishful thinking. Who knows the mindset of the Dominican authorities in that regard? Will they target American sex tourists as a whole? What we are sure about is that the authorities are bent on eliminating sex tourism in Sosua and the upbeat voices for mongering in Sosua just took a beating.

[Ipanema Carioca]

". However, without a doubt a US embassy officer will visit him in custody, as they must, bring him a hamburger, an invite to the embassy Thanksgiving dinner, and a few suggestions regarding legal representation on the present charges and recommendations on eliminating the DR from future vacation plans in the event of him having any free time on his schedule during the next 20 years.

I talked to the guy's sister. He is retired military with a PTSD discharge from his time in Iraq. I do not know if he has military ties except through the VA hospital. The US Embassy is involved, and they gave her a list of DR attorneys. The fella resides in TX. In his passport, he listed a family contact for emergencies. The attached photos are of him stripping naked in front of Super Pola Market. Before the please arrived he put his closes on and walked away as you see in the photos.

[Sammon]

There are no clear path in mongering. Disputes about services, length of stay, money surfaces all the time. Only one time a Thai girl slapped me because I was more than friendly with her friend. This happened in the room and I slapped her back telling her never ever hit me. She calmed down. Other than that never had any physical altercations with anybody. Ofcourse there were issues like a ladyboy came into my room pretending to be a girl. When I told him to leave he wanted money. To diffuse the situation I gave him some taxi money. I could have held my ground and called security but my mind clearly says do not get into trouble over small amounts of money. And there were girls few times who came to the room and refused sex saying they do not do that. When I said they need to leave they get into an attitude saying they spent money to get here etc. Best thing to give small taxi money and get rid of them. Never had a girl demanding lot of money if she did not have sex with me. Some girls demanded more money than agreed in the morning, so I just add little to get rid of her. Never met a mercenary type demanding lot of money. Of course there are many of them around. Another thing I always discuss money up front with bar girls. And on dating sites sometimes girl ask that she needs this much. Yo agree or not is my own decision. I would rather go home alone if I did not find the right offer or right girl.

When you land in a foreign country you are already disadvantaged. Especially when you are going for mongering locals including administration hates you. But the countries need money from tourism. So they tolerate us.

Every now and then we hear of money dispute between a monger and the girl in a hotel and police were called to intervene. If there are no physical altercation police will generally tell the guy to give little more money. Hotel security will say the same. IMHO you better settle before police or security are called.

Irrespective of what really happened the guy had no right to hit the girl or strangle the girl. I do not believe it was a choking incident during sex. Bottom line is there was definitely a big fight and the girl got the worst of it. Seeing pictures of the guy being dragged he did not look injured. Having stayed in Hotel Alicia before I believe there are no room phones unless they put it in now. The guy could have ran out of the room and get the security to handle the issue instead of physical altercation. I believe this happened in the morning and according to a e mail I got he assisted the girl from the hotel to his car. What happened after only he knows. He cannot blame being drunk unless he drank in the morning. E mail says girl was not killed in the hotel. Maybe bruised. Maybe she threatened to go to the police and he strangled her in the car and dumped her body. Forensic science and security cameras have come a long way from mafia days for people to escape from murder. There was no way for him to escape the country because there are witnesses who saw them together and probably security had the I. The. Besides I am sure the girl called her family to let them know which hotel she is staying. Generally girls with kids do not stay whole night unless they need money badly like this girl who had 4 kids. Murder cases get the highest priority in every country nowadays. Especially if it is connected to a foreigner goes above that. It is a big question if US embassy will offer help. It is not a given. They will wait till this guy is beaten to shit and recover under the guise of investigation. Even after it will be a cursory visit. You. S embassy will not interfere with local murder investigation unless it is high profile case and unless they determine he was framed. Too many witnesses in this case.

Most foreigners behave in other countries. There are some bad apples who think the country is shit and the girls as lowest category to be abused and played with. Respect to any human being is a must irrespective of what they do to survive. Once I saw a foreigner beaten to pulp by local thugs in Bangkok because he refused to pay bar bill. This was in front of a crowd in pat pong. Police came and took him to hospital. Assailants just walked away. Unfortunately this happens often with foreigners who think they can do anything and get away with it.

It is always better to be civil, smile, have fun, loose some money and go home in peace.

[Oakie]

". In the tourist town of Sosa. " As in Sammy.

We really cannot know what happened. There appear to have been at least three eye witnesses to what happened in the hotel room, all with different versions, some of whom have reported directly to ISG forum members rather than to the investigating authorities. Perhaps the information from the recordings of the closed circuit TV cameras in the hotel room will also clarify matters. Perhaps she hanged herself while her client was in the shower.....

One thing is for sure, this poor perp should not be relying on a monger lawyer or a monger amateur "psychiatrist" to handle his case!

Might have the jury laughing over a claim that it was self defense from a threatening puta.

They might ask why he and an accomplice dumped the battered body in a remote field, and went on about his business!

LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

Possession of a US passport is usually an indication of US citizenship. He could have moved to the US at the age of 2, or been born there, for all we know.

Of course it does, but that is not the point. You said that Black Americans would have it hard after this because this guy is Black American. But the local news outlets are not referring to him as American, but as Nigerian. So in everyone's mind he is not American, he is Nigerian. Which would make it more of a hard time for Nigerians rather than Black Americans.

[Mr Gogo]

I tried so hard to stay out of this conversation but here I am. First my condolences go out to the victims family, hopefully the African American business owners will come together and make some kind of humanitarian effort to assist the family with their loss.

I tried to keep an open mind and just stick with the facts but the conspiracy theories I heard on back channels had me thinking.

Initially I had a few questions: 1) In the video of them walking down the street, they were walking to the Europa hotel end not to the Alicia end which is in the complete opposite direction. 2) Where is the video of them entering the hotel together? 3) Its many big dark skinned brothers with bald heads walking around Sosua, could they have the wrong guy to quickly close the case for tourism?

Then I heard from a girl there that the girl had a Haitian boyfriend and he killed her and fled to Haiti, and the police grabbed the wrong guy.

But then I saw the video and it looked like the suspect from the back, where is the face video of him entering the hotel.

Now I hear he had a problem earlier this year with the same circumstances and others are now coming forward about him. Also I hear it's a new investigation going on internationally to see if its others and he might have been a serial killer.

The guy has a mental problem but that won't matter in the DR, but he appears to be a monster and I can no longer look at the conspiracy theories and more.

Again my sympathy goes to the family.

[Wrx2005]

What we can say with reasonable assuredness is that this awful event will be fuel for those entities within the Dominican Republic that want to discourage sex tourism via regulatory actions and legislation. It also will cast additional suspicion on African-American sex tourists, even though the man was an African who became an American. Dominicans do not make such fine distinctions, and tend to label all African-Americans and people from Africa with the same tag--Haitians!

I wouldn't worry about it. Sex tourism can die a slow death, or get reconstructed in order to appease whomever. But prostitution is going to be around for a long time. Especially because the DR government can't or won't be able to take care of their Dominican citizens that need help without sex tourism and their participants.

"will cast additional suspicion on African-American sex tourists etc". Hmmm maybe? Maybe on the positive, some dudes will be more careful who they attempt to hire for a night of passion. And perhaps this incident may make enough chicas more cautious about getting into an altercation with a client. Sometimes you have to see potential positives in things. Don't always focus on the negative.

Thats why I'm not totally disgusted by the Cestur police harassing chicas. The positive of it, is seeing a lot of chicas more anxious of securing a client, potentially being more reasonable in negotiations. I've experienced and heard reports from mongers who had chicas who didn't want to go back on the street because they were afraid of getting caught, or that it may take too long to score another client. This happened more with newer chicas to the Sosua scene. Especially Haitians and fresh 18 yr old Dominicans. These chicas concerns can be used to the mongers advantage.

To the chicas (vets and hardcore) who don't care one way or the other, they can take their chances with the police, and hope they get someone to pay what they expect. Chances are, those chicas who tend to elevate their value and hold out looking for a big score (relatively speaking) , may prove not to be good providers that mongers should seek for good service. They are aiming to get paid, not provide good service. They may have already assumed that their transaction with a client is a one time deal. So they aint looking to impress anybody for a comeback. The look, the facade, is the main impression to be made in order to get that one transaction in the bag. Be on the lookout for those types.

[Mr Enternational]

What we can say with reasonable assuredness

This room reminds me of a movie we had to watch in 12th grade Sociology class, 12 Angry Men. I don't wish anyone to have most people in this room on their jury should they ever need one. In my country it used to not be what you knew or think you knew, but what you could prove. That shit is fading away though to be just what people feel.

[Frannie]

That is where you have it wrong. All of those news videos and articles are labeling him as Nigerian. I think the only indication that he is American was in that photo that contained his US passport.

Possession of a US passport is usually an indication of US citizenship. He could have moved to the US at the age of 2, or been born there, for all we know.

This is a link to a story about a famous murder in the UK in which two men of Nigerian family origins butchered a soldier in the street in London.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/362958...adebowale-age/