Sosua Reports

[Oakie]

1) posting (or more likely sending a PM or email) with lots of detailed info, and never hearing from the guy again, whether in person or on the board.

2) offering to meet people in Pto Pta to show them stuff, then they do not turn up.

You have a higher tolerance for the public than I do, Charles.

I hope a few folks might recognize themselves in our last couple of exchanges, and learn something!

I am often asked to share my GF's stable of "cousins", but unless a guy is on Facebook where the chicas can decide for themselves, I take a pass. I try to do my share of sharing, but, like you say, you can have your congeniality taken for granted and life made a little more complicated when it doesn't work out.

Take my next trip, routine usually for me, but because I am taking a buddy this time, I have a chica on my case because she has lined up at least 6 cousins to come to Sosua to meet him, but he got busy and can't decide which or whether he wants them or not, want's to know if they are on Facebook and their names. So a lot of back and forth, language issues, and last minute organizing for everyone involved.

Yep, "he who travels alone travels furthest!

[Charles Pooter]

But by looking at the questions posed here, it seems that repetition is required. Often!

I never mind that. I only post for newbies and the search facility here is pretty crude. Also lots of useful general points are buried within threads for specific areas. Once guys have been on three trips, if they do not get it, they never will. I only cross swords with experienced posters here if I think they are giving newbies incorrect info (like saying a chica-friendly hotel is not chica-friendly).

What does [CodeWord140] me off is:

1) posting (or more likely sending a PM or email) with lots of detailed info, and never hearing from the guy again, whether in person or on the board.

2) offering to meet people in Pto Pta to show them stuff, then they do not turn up.

Not wasting my time like that anymore.

[Oakie]

Excellent post, Oakie.

My own observations after nine years are that alcohol usually plays a large part when guys have serious problems, and some part when guys have minor problems.

As usual, you probably recognize your own stuff in my posts because I got my start in Sosua by reading you, GG, Frannie, Mr E, Temp. TJ and the others.

But by looking at the questions posed here, it seems that repetition is required. Often!

Next, somebody will ask about sending WU, and that whole crap will start up again

[Lonely566]

So Lonely, what happened to your girlfriend who went mongering with you to the DR. You never reported on that little episode.

Yes she is here. Her first time mongering and first time out of USA! She is struggling to adapt to this lifestyle. Never really seen poverty before. Her intentions are to co-author my third book with me, adding a woman's perspective. How she is doing here and what she is doing I don't think I should answer for her. She has been and does read this site in preparation for the trip. Hopefully she will post something. Lonely.

[Frannie]

Your post appears to derogate us Mofos that are cautious of the confusing sex laws. I think you do newbies a disservice by suggesting carefree behavior in Sosua. I personally would counsel strict adherence to the local laws and customs. When your out, keep your head on a swivel. You need to be the first to know if trouble is developing and quickly change location. I did time in the joint in Bangkok for not following my own advice. A third world prison is a terrible place to ponder your mistakes. Lonely.

So Lonely, what happened to your girlfriend who went mongering with you to the DR. You never reported on that little episode.

[Frannie]

Excellent post, Oakie.

My own observations after nine years are that alcohol usually plays a large part when guys have serious problems, and some part when guys have minor problems.

Alcohol and testosterone are two of the most dangerous drugs, and if mixed can be fatal.

[Charles Pooter]

If it is possible to agree with two opposing posts (Mongman and Lonely), on this issue I do ... etc

Excellent post, Oakie.

My own observations after nine years are that alcohol usually plays a large part when guys have serious problems, and some part when guys have minor problems.

[Oakie]

Your post appears to derogate us Mofos that are cautious of the confusing sex laws. I think you do newbies a disservice by suggesting carefree behavior in Sosua. I personally would counsel strict adherence to the local laws and customs. When your out, keep your head on a swivel. You need to be the first to know if trouble is developing and quickly change location. I did time in the joint in Bangkok for not following my own advice. A third world prison is a terrible place to ponder your mistakes. Lonely.

If it is possible to agree with two opposing posts (Mongman and Lonely), on this issue I do.

I am asked a lot by guys I know, who have never been to DR, "Is it safe?

I used to say, "Absolutely, nothing to worry about". What I meant was that if you can manage your mongering in our big city, by comparison it is as safe, or even safer, because prostitution is illegal here in my home town and run by pimps.

Then a guy would come back after screwing up and getting ripped off and complain to everybody.

So, now I answer that question with, "It depends". If you know how to travel, blend in, smile be polite, but firm, don't draw unnecessary attention to yourself by getting loud or drunk or confrontational with strangers or carrying more than you can afford to lose, you're fine.

You can't win a major argument with a local, puta, bar owner, taxi driver or a cop. You might try, but you have made an enemy on his own turf with his own network who now wants bad things to happen to you, they won't be out with a vendetta against you but if the opportunity arises where they can fuck you, they will. If you get into such a confrontation, suck it up, charge it up to experience, pay the extra few pesos, move on and enjoy your vacation.

If you don't take the normal necessary precautions, you can have a bulls eye on your ass, and it's just a question of time.

Don't forget you are just a john, a trick, a monger, and not a celebrity.

Your safety is up to you, not them!

[Lonely566]

You guys make this the most difficult process in the world. Sosua is prob the most point and click Mongering experience in the world. That's why folks love it because you can be a complete fuckin idiot and still have a ball. It's like Mongering for dummies and mofos still struggle. LOL!

Your post appears to derogate us Mofos that are cautious of the confusing sex laws. I think you do newbies a disservice by suggesting carefree behavior in Sosua. I personally would counsel strict adherence to the local laws and customs. When your out, keep your head on a swivel. You need to be the first to know if trouble is developing and quickly change location. I did time in the joint in Bangkok for not following my own advice. A third world prison is a terrible place to ponder your mistakes. Lonely.

[Frannie]

I guess my question is can the security be trusted at a villa or condo? Being banned at an hotel is definitely not something a girl would want to happen.

This would depend entirely on the individual guard at an individual location. It might even depend on which guard has called in sick, or taken the night off. People from the US never fail to assume that Dominicans must always be working off a policy and procedure manual. Well, they usually aren't. You can do your best to be on good terms with the guard at your place, of course, but you cannot really know if he knows the girls you are admitting to the place, or will warn you if he thinks they are of poor character. Most people who live in Sosua over a period of time do not bring random hookers to the place where they live, but if it is just a short term rental, it might not matter. And if they invite along their violent pimps to rob you and you are found dead by the leasing agent, hopefully it will be quick and painless. Of course that is a worst case scenario, but the truth is that you can never be sure of anything, so you might as well appreciate that if you invite a group of girls over to your home, there is a small but definable risk that things may go wrong. For example, although the three musketeers were all for one and one for all, in a group of three Sosua chicas, you can be sure that each one will be strictly for herself and that corps d'esprit will be lacking, so if one chica gets rewarded more than the others, expect problems.

[Coupe66]

Good to read Talion's factual report about the scene in Sosua at the moment. I haven't been there since March 2014, I gather the place has changed a bit since then. I was thinking of coming down from early December, and staying until after Christmas. Is Sosua busy during this period? Do the women still hang around there over the holidays. Or do they go home and does Sosua become dead? I have never been there in December, so would appreciate any advice about how the scene is. Thanks for any advice guys!

[Durandpaul]

Sosua is the best place and getting individual rooms is the way to go. The big fancy villa sounds good but it comes with issues first you have to get transportation for everyone. As opposed to everyone being able to go where and when they want. The second issue is should anything get broken or damaged in the villa you are on the hook. 5 guys partying can lead to anything. Having access to new young pussy makes a 5 a 7.

I have been looking at the option to rent a 2 bedrooms villa or condo close to sosua and a cheap hotel in sosua. I can leave the villa in the afternoon and do all my STs at the hotel. I am just not a fan of the hotels in sosua, too basic for me. When I was in sosua, I saw few semi pros walking in group. With a villa it's possible to have all come to you at a villa either one by one or all together. With music, drinks, and cash its possible to have a good time. With me be the only guy of course. My only fear is the risks involved. In an hotel it's easier to kick a girl out and you are less exposed to false accusations. I guess my question is can the security be trusted at a villa or condo? Being banned at an hotel is definitely not something a girl would want to happen.

[OldKool]

Sosua is the best place and getting individual rooms is the way to go. The big fancy villa sounds good but it comes with issues first you have to get transportation for everyone. As opposed to everyone being able to go where and when they want. The second issue is should anything get broken or damaged in the villa you are on the hook. 5 guys partying can lead to anything. Having access to new young pussy makes a 5 a 7.

There are some locales where the advice below from GrownMan1 would be helpful, Sosua isn't that place.

1. Forget about a Cabarete villa. Stay in Sosua and get separate rooms at Terra Linda or Casa Cayena.

2. Forget about "top-notch" girls. You'll get Sosua chicas. Girls are hit or miss and so is the service. If you want top-notch girls and service, try another country, e. G. , Medellin has casas and Rio has termas, start there.

3. Don't plan to see too much besides bars and clubs, beach cabanas, and spread legs. Play it by ear, have fun, keep your valuables in the safe, and your largest wad of pesos in your socks.

[Talion]

I've just come back from Sosua last week, and here's my bullet point report, much shorter than the usual ones I write. I'm going to be limiting it to some changes and things you guys need to be aware of on the scene.

- They are ripping up the streets and sidewalks on Pedro Clisante, as well as cutting down the trees. This is apparently for road re-design and resurfacing, although the reasons for cutting down the trees are less clear. Somebody said something about water consumption, but I don't know anything for sure. They started at the pizza place and had torn up ½ the block when I left.

- The scene is spotty. Rumba's, Central bar and Merengue's / Classicos on the strip, and the Sanda bar around the corner. Everything else is closed or dead but those bars are hopping.

- More girls hanging on the streets, and more [CodeWord902] girls, so watch yourselves. The cops were regularly rounding up groups of guys and girls while I was there. No tourists stopped that I saw. When the cops would come all the girls would run down in front of the Sanda Bar and wait for them to go. The ones who didn't need to worry about the cops didn't run, so this is actually a good screening exercise for you. Make note of the runners and avoid them.

- Lots more haitians than before. Less latinas, percentage wise. Lots of creole being spoken and lots of guys there speaking it too. Seem to be some crews there. A little worrisome, but not serious.

- A couple of vague rumours about the'Latins reopening. Nothing at all credible, but you never know.

- Amazonas (formerly Passions) had activity. I was walking by and heard music inside, and went to the side door which was open, and went in. There were a bunch of guys in there working and cleaning up. I talked to one of the guys who said they were getting it ready to open. He refused to speculate on when that opening date might be or what would be happening there, but they are definitely doing something. He says Peter is definitely not involved. They were definitely getting ready to do business, so something to watch out for.

- The little side street bars are becoming more interesting to frequent, and I found them more enjoyable and friendlier this trip than the larger ones, which have gone pretty hard core.

- The customer demographic seems to be changing. The strip was basically a mix of germans and New Yorkers (almost exclusively on this recent trip). Rumbas has become basically a hip hop bar. Classicos is now pretty much a table service bar, and it's jammed and hard to move around in. I used to prefer it to the'Latins, but now it's not a pleasant experience. All the girls hang around in Merengues first and your best bet is to grab them there.

- Prices holding steady at 2000 pesos ST. Negotiations will get you there for less or longer. I negotiated TLN for 2000 with no problem.

- The cruise ships are starting, and there are customers who make their way to Sosua, but not many yet. The distance is an obstacle for people with only a few hours in port, especially with shopping available at the port.

- Massage places looking for 1000 per session. Very negotiable but 1000 will get you there.

- Liquor prices have stabilized in the stores. Used to be the little delivery place near the main corner was the cheapest, but now they're all pretty close in price for local rum. Beer in bars holding at 110-130, regular drinks the same. I was able to get triple pours of cognac for 250, so for those of you who like off the norm liquors you might be able to get good deals, since they have no idea of the value of these liquors.

[Oakie]

Like in love, three or more is a crowd.

The best vacation experiences of my life have been with a bunch of guys in the Bahamas, but we knew each other very well, did it year after year, and we were very careful who we invited in.

Early we went through the shit that KC and GG describes below. We eventually winnowed them out.

If you bring along guys you've never travelled with before, you are going to find out about their habits at the wrong time, when you are supposed to be on vacation.

It's like a woman taking brand new, never worn, shoes with her on a trip. You can guarantee what happens. She'll spend the first day looking for comfortable shoes.

And it seems there is always a "Jerry", my GF's name for a persistant newbie who wants to hang with you and share the fun, but won't share the expense, and causes trouble with the chicas, then wants to end the week complaining. They are worse than the local touts. We met another one last month (or I should say he met US) a real pain in the ass.

Or, if you are single, there is a "Kevin" who tags along with you and even if you meet a chick, will somehow always be around monopolizing the conversation, he'll stay up late with you and your chick, and never leave. He has no radar for rejection and no sense of discretion.

My male buddies and GF know these "names" well, and when we meet guys like that, someone will say, "Has anyone seen "Jerry" lately?" (or "Kevin?"), and everybody gives the knowing look, smiles, and moves on.

Anyway, if you are going to spend good money on a vacation with a bunch of guys, be sure you have an individual Plan B, like making sure you have your own room, in an accessible location so you can opt out, if thing get contentious.

No need to waste a vacation.

That is good advice from KC and GG.