Santo Domingo

[FlbMac31]

Perhaps best posted on the Santiago board, but since the discussion on topic is here, I'll post here.

I've lived here three years and just this April began to notice the frequency at which the stops described on this board are occurring. It seems here the expectation is almost universal now for flights coming to Santiago. Including taxis. Moreso, the airport is more regularly singling out passengers for a second x-ray check of your bags if you have two or more, including small carry-ONS. The scam seems to be the guys hanging out at the end of the x-ray offering to reload your bags onto the cart and take them out for you. Of course, propina are involved.

But, keep in mind too that this new practice identifies if you have particular items someone may want. And stopping you to open your bags may be occurring after a call down the street to keep a watchful eye. I'm not so sure these guys are doing anything alone anymore.

There are more and more PN patrols with full gear and weapons in ciudad central too. And they will stop you to see what's in bags. Also a practice I've not seen.

I generally never get bothered driving unless you are talking on a cell phone. In that case I have dropped a hundred pesos to just avoid the hassle of dealing with a ticket. AMET is hot on that issue here and they now seem to be paying more attention to the cell phone issue. Now if they would apply the same interest to taxis, conchos and motores the revenue would make this country rich overnight. LOL.

Bottom line, be prepared.

[Mr Enternational]

I just found out that the chick that I met on the plane is a criminal lawyer so Fuck The Police! She invited me to a party Saturday night. I already told her that I wanted to fuck her, but you guys still have not told me how much money I should give her.

[Mr Enternational]

I have been stopped and ask for money in Santo Domingo in a rental car by the police, as well as Sosua at a road block. One time driving from Santo Domingo to Sosua on the main highway just east of Nagua in a van with 5 other guys, two guys in army fatigues blocked the road with large rifles and ask for propina to pass. We all gave them money, scared the hell out of all of us. Kind of took the fun out of the trip. Be safe out there, you are in a third world country.

They depend on you getting scared and being intimidated as it appears most on this board are. The leader of the group you are talking about is me and Gogo's buddy. Our first time encountering them I think Gogo was driving. The guy asked for money and Gogo told him that we would not have money until we went to the bank in Cabarete the next day. Then the guy asked for cologne. I told him we didn't have any. Then he asked for soap. At that time we all started laughing and just drove off.

A couple of days later on our way back we encountered them again. When we slowed down and he saw who we were, they waved us through without even stopping. I guess he said I don't want to try to deal with them cheap mfs again. Now whenever I see him in that spot I throw him a peace sign as I ride past.

[Coole Mr]

I have been stopped and ask for money in Santo Domingo in a rental car by the police, as well as Sosua at a road block. One time driving from Santo Domingo to Sosua on the main highway just east of Nagua in a van with 5 other guys, two guys in army fatigues blocked the road with large rifles and ask for propina to pass. We all gave them money, scared the hell out of all of us. Kind of took the fun out of the trip. Be safe out there, you are in a third world country.

[Wrx2005]

Their poverty is no joke. They use what they have to improve their lives. This often is their good looks and sex. They are human beings and have pride and dignity. They often do not see themselves as Putas. Do you guys see yourselves as tricks. Sure there are chica who try to milk it and many who are straight. However they have no power to makre you give them a dime. I never blow up becaause a chica asked for money. I just say no and keep it moving. We are certainly not the innocent in these encounters. They play games and we play games. I have had relationships with some ladies 7 years.

Please explain why you bothered to write all of that? Nobody else but you knows the dynamics of how chicas attempt to live as human beings? They have no power to make you give them a dime. I agree. But maybe it's not about their power, but the power guys are giving up. By paying more than what's enough. Nice you never blow up because a chica asked for money. I don't see why you would. A chica asking for money is one of your desired bait tools. If you aint interested, you can just say no. Nothing special about exercising that option. No different than any other mans options.

What do you mean, we are not innocent in these encounters? Whats innocence got to do with anything? What games are you talking about? Are womens disadvantages playing the game out weighing a mans?

[Wrx2005]

I rarely agree with Mr free pussy E. And WRX I think you have always been a bit paranoid when it comes to the chicas. No offence intended. When you leave Sosua not every girl is out to rip you off. Their poverty is no joke. They use what they have to improve their lives. This often is their good looks and sex. They are human beings and have pride and dignity. They often do not see themselves as Putas. Do you guys see yourselves as tricks. The gentlemen who generousity was questioned initilally appeared cheap. He later explained the additional expenditures he made. All of us who enjoy this activity know there is a price to pay exception MR E.

Sure there are chica who try to milk it and many who are straight. However they have no power to makre you give them a dime. I never blow up becaause a chica asked for money. I just say no and keep it moving. We are certainly not the innocent in these encounters. They play games and we play games. I have had relationships with some ladies 7 years.

That depends on your perspective. Mr OK, I have always been a realist and more honest in regards to what I observed or experienced personally, as well as reporting the same from other mongers. Reporting information that is relevant and applicable to whom it fits doesn't mean a person is paranoid. More accurately, you exaggerating details and distorting information you assimilate, I see that as more the problem. For instance. "not every girl is out to rip you off". When did anybody say anything about EVERY of anything? This is how you exaggerate and distort information rather than try to engage people so you can understand their POV.

You say the guy initially appeared to be cheap. By whose standards? The guy said in the outset that he paid money upfront before she even got there. Isn't that what you say you do too? Then he paid for the chica and her aunt to eat. You knew that information from the very beginning. So just from that information that you knew, when did he become cheap? You never knew how much he sent her. So why would you go there?

You don't have to give me justification or excuses of these chicas lives. Just stick to the issue. You jumped to assumptions and / or conclusions about the dude before digesting the information that he provided initially. 1st thing you could have asked since spending money on chicas is so important to you, is how much did he send her before she came? Then you could have asked how much he paid for all of the expenses towards her and the aunt. Is there something that prevented you from inquiring about that before assuming he might be cheap?

What is so hard about getting facts and details straight before assuming wrongly about what someone posts on these boards?

[Mr Enternational]

I rarely agree with Mr free pussy E. And WRX I think you have always been a bit paranoid when it comes to the chicas. No offence intended. When you leave Sosua not every girl is out to rip you off. Their poverty is no joke. They use what they have to improve their lives. This often is their good looks and sex. They are human beings and have pride and dignity. They often do not see themselves as Putas. Do you guys see yourselves as tricks. The gentlemen who generousity was questioned initilally appeared cheap. He later explained the additional expenditures he made. All of us who enjoy this activity know there is a price to pay exception MR E.

But you act as if you are down there passing out money to people for the sole reason because they are poor. When in fact you are giving out money because you fucked them. I dare you to go down on your next trip and not fuck anyone, but give them the same money as if you had because they are so poor. Of course you are not about to do that shit.

I can not understand what someone's economic status has to do with anything regarding how much money you give them for sex or any product or service. Please explain how you got the two twisted. By your logic we should give a first world escort less because they are better off.

It doesn't matter what you see yourself as. The definition will hold true regardless. So because the White lady Rachel Dolezal sees herself as Black and not White it means that she really is not White, even though her own White parents says she is?

[Mr Enternational]

I drive a rental car in the DR and I am a dark skinned guy just as much you are, so I am not sure about the veracity of this rental car and cops looking for some easy money connection. In all these times, I have been stopped twice: once because I was using cell phone (in Santiago) and asked the man to write me the citation which he did; Another time, two lads (I mean cops) in Boca chica stopped me and they had no clue about rental cars, until I showed them the papers, had a friendly chat and that was the end of it. Your story, that I read with bated breath, is of bravado and I would not doubt there might be legit reasons for you to fight the cops but perhaps they are drawn to you for some other reason?

If you rent from a major company there is a sticker on the window with a barcode. That is how they know it to be a rental car. If you rent from a small time place that is not located at the airport then that sticker will not be there. What could I have possibly have been doing all of the at least 20 times that I have been pulled over by the police? Mind you in all of these times I have never gotten 1 citation (and in this most recent incident the guys would not even state their reason for pulling me over).

All of the times that I have gotten pulled over except for 1, it has been by the National Police, who mind you, can not give out citations. AMET is the authority that gives out the citations. The National Police is there for crimes, not traffic offenses. Even the time I totalled a rental car that I was driving, the National Police showed up first. There were about 6 of them in the truck. The only thing they could do was push the car out of the road. They said for anything else I would. have to wait until the AMET guy arrived.

Only in Santo Domingo do I get pulled over like this. It does not happen in Boca Chica, Punta Cana, Higuey, Sosua, Puerta Plata, Santiago, Bonao, Nagua, La Vega, Moca, or any place else.

Even Gogo can attest that my first time meeting up with him years ago, I was escorted by the police because they had pulled me over earlier saying I ran a light in a place where there was not even a light. I would not give them money right then so they escorted me to where he was before giving my license back and that is when they asked for money outright but I still did not give it to them so they left.

[Wrx2005]

I guess it is all a matter of perspective. I think it is pathetic that she would ask him for 5000 pesos after she got back home. If you are doing it for money then it is best to say so up front. (Have any mongers on this board ever given a chick in DR 5000 pesos?) And as he said, he did send her money before she even came, which was I am sure more than it cost to get her hair done and to get there. Don't know how much he sent, but the amount that I have heard chicks try to get guys for before they come is $100.

I see ya point. Also both should have appreciated the dude for paying extra for the aunts expenses. He wasnt involved with the aunt, so there really wasnt any reason he needed to pay for her company too. Maybe it didn't occur to a few cats, that if the chica hadn't brought along her aunt to help spend the guys money, there might have been more to give her when she left?

As far as a chica getting her hair done or the cost of transpo? That is usually an exaggerated story / excuse just to get the gravy train on track. What they are hoping to do, is get the guy to totally ignore that initial expense, and to see it as something necessary for her to look her best when she comes. But that's all bullshit. If the dude is guilty of anything, what he did was take a chance on paying partially for services / company he hadn't received yet. She may not have been looking at his initial expense as partial payment, the meals for her and her aunt, and the extra money to get home as full compensation. But that is her problem if she doesn't see it that way.

If we are the ones that rule because we have the so called GOLD, then why can't we fucking act like it? We can't allow chicas to dictate what's enough compensation. Or manipulate us and discount our offerings and contributions to their comfort as nothing. Maybe this is why so many chicas expectations are so out of fucking control now. Because of muggs overpaying every time they feel special being around some chica. Once you start the cycle of emotional over paying, you can't just back off. And as we know it, some guys are afraid to change up. Because they probably think the chicas will bail on them, and / or not prioritize them for their next visit. That's not a man in control. Of his GOLD.

[OldKool]

I rarely agree with Mr free pussy E. And WRX I think you have always been a bit paranoid when it comes to the chicas. No offence intended. When you leave Sosua not every girl is out to rip you off. Their poverty is no joke. They use what they have to improve their lives. This often is their good looks and sex. They are human beings and have pride and dignity. They often do not see themselves as Putas. Do you guys see yourselves as tricks. The gentlemen who generousity was questioned initilally appeared cheap. He later explained the additional expenditures he made. All of us who enjoy this activity know there is a price to pay exception MR E.

Sure there are chica who try to milk it and many who are straight. However they have no power to makre you give them a dime. I never blow up becaause a chica asked for money. I just say no and keep it moving. We are certainly not the innocent in these encounters. They play games and we play games. I have had relationships with some ladies 7 years.

[Wrx2005]

Like others. There is a pattern of overpaying here in the DR. And like many, they have associated their experiences into a monetary value, and what it represents to THEM. Especially how it relates to somewhere else where it may cost more. But the problem with that is, how one particular individual sees or feels things does not necessarily represent how others ( including the overpaid chicas ) should feel or embrace it, just because they do.

All those on this board and elsewhere lamenting about how poor many of these women are, and know how low the average monthly income is for locals, should not be calling anybody cheap or names for the things guys do with or for them. Its way more than any local man is doing for them. And there is no reason to pay more for something when paying enough will do.

You send a chica 2500 pesos before hooking up with her. Pay to feed her and another person, arrange for food to be taken back, give her more money than necessary to return home. So just because that guy doesn't over pay a chica at YOUR rate, he's supposed to be cheap?

I think both the aunt and the chica should feel blessed that they were well compensated by DR standards. What else did they have going on that day, than coming to meet a gringo to extract from? If the trip wasnt worth it, then they shouldn't have come. Did it ever occur to some of you, that the chica was trying to take advantage of the guy, after all the stuff he did with them that day? And the high probability that she was lying about an urgent need for 5000 pesos, only after she got home.

Did she approach any of the local men she fucks with some story of needing 5000 pesos? You know, I know that having sex with a woman does not have to cost more than what's enough. Anything more, is a hustle, or an emotional knee jerk reaction.

I'm with Mr E on this one. I don't know why certain men try to act like these are little innocent children. And think that they have some sort of pride to protect and can't speak up for themselves. They sure don't have any problems lying their asses off. Sending bogus pictures and shit. Thats a bunch of horseshit. Them muggs can be more ruthless in character than you muggs give them credit for. Paying a chica $100 usd a day to me is like paying a taxi $100 for a $30 taxi ride. Why should anyone feel the need to pay $70 more for something when it is not required, nor will it guarantee anything more, or anything special?

Just because I'm emotional and keep making comparisons of some other place, I should feel grateful and pay more? Unchecked emotions in this game clouds judgement. Paying what's enough is intelligent. Paying more just because I am emotional, and being self righteous about paying more, especially towards others, is not.

[D Cups]

Yikes. My white Canadian buddy and I got pulled over in a rental last year and wound up paying them 500 P just to get rid of them. One time a cop in Sosua asked me for money just walking around. I ignored him and walked off pretending I did not understand. I don't like the cops in the DR or anywhere for that matter but if it seems like it will escalate do what they say.

If you believe you are the master of encounters with police you are sadly confused. These men are proud and often bullies. They are not above planting drugs or worse shooting you and creating a story. Doing what E did in the US would have lead to some jail time. In the DR the sky is the limit. One of these days he may catch the bad apple on a bad day. I have been going to the DR for 7 years and have had no encounters with the po po.

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[Knowledge]

Good luck to you Sir. Old Kool is correct. I hope you take his advice.

Stop it with this stuff Old Kool. Please site 1 instance where any of this stuff you are claiming will happen has happened. No matter what old wives tales you have heard, the DR is not the wild west. The reason you have never had any encounters is because you do not drive. I said in the post that they pull you over when they see you are driving a rental car in order to extort you. If you are walking or in a taxi or in a bus of course you would not have any encounters.

Maybe you have not heard about the case in Sosua a few years ago where top brass were locked up for robbing German expats that live there?

http://www.listindiario.com/la-repub...lata-III-Sosua

The difference is that had I been pulled over in the US then it would have been for a legitimate reason and I would cooperate. When you know you have done nothing wrong and know their angle it is a different ballgame. Would you just recommend a person allow themselves to be extorted by these bullies as you have put it? Where would the line be drawn? Should a person offer them 1000 pesos? What if that is not enough? 1000 dollars maybe? Or just have your bank wire 10000 dollars to each of them. And if that is not even enough, then what?

[Tempoecorto]

Stop it with this stuff Old Kool. Please site 1 instance where any of this stuff you are claiming will happen has happened.

I drive a rental car in the DR and I am a dark skinned guy just as much you are, so I am not sure about the veracity of this rental car and cops looking for some easy money connection. In all these times, I have been stopped twice: once because I was using cell phone (in Santiago) and asked the man to write me the citation which he did; Another time, two lads (I mean cops) in Boca chica stopped me and they had no clue about rental cars, until I showed them the papers, had a friendly chat and that was the end of it. Your story, that I read with bated breath, is of bravado and I would not doubt there might be legit reasons for you to fight the cops but perhaps they are drawn to you for some other reason?

[Mr Enternational]

If you believe you are the master of encounters with police you are sadly confused. These men are proud and often bullies. They are not above planting drugs or worse shooting you and creating a story. Doing what E did in the US would have lead to some jail time. In the DR the sky is the limit. One of these days he may catch the bad apple on a bad day. I have been going to the DR for 7 years and have had no encounters with the po po.

Stop it with this stuff Old Kool. Please site 1 instance where any of this stuff you are claiming will happen has happened. No matter what old wives tales you have heard, the DR is not the wild west. The reason you have never had any encounters is because you do not drive. I said in the post that they pull you over when they see you are driving a rental car in order to extort you. If you are walking or in a taxi or in a bus of course you would not have any encounters.

Maybe you have not heard about the case in Sosua a few years ago where top brass were locked up for robbing German expats that live there?

http://www.listindiario.com/la-repub...lata-III-Sosua

The difference is that had I been pulled over in the US then it would have been for a legitimate reason and I would cooperate. When you know you have done nothing wrong and know their angle it is a different ballgame. Would you just recommend a person allow themselves to be extorted by these bullies as you have put it? Where would the line be drawn? Should a person offer them 1000 pesos? What if that is not enough? 1000 dollars maybe? Or just have your bank wire 10000 dollars to each of them. And if that is not even enough, then what?