Santo Domingo

[Triple Darknes]

General ease of living and women. That's all an ex pat needs to say. No one can argue with them on that. Especially if you're retired. Your Spanish has to be more polished in Colombia.

Cali Colombia is Rarely charted Territory. It's going to be a long time before it becomes a popular Monger destination. They don't see many non-black Colombians on vacation. It reminded me like I was back in Cuba before Obama. The only exception is the Cubans were very much aware of Black Americans even though they hadn't seen many.

On two different occasions my friend and I were mistaken for Haitians seeking work. The Haitians were the only non-blacks people were used to seeing. We kept getting asked what country were we from. In the DR they know 90% of the time you're from America and there's no need to ask.

Well I have to make an amendment. Colombia has a better general ease of living (unless you simply refuse to learn Spanish) Again lower cost of living and better infrastructure. At the end of the day women are women to me Kenyan women are still number 1. That being said Dominicanas are generally more welcoming and friendly but that's mainly down to more interactions with tourists.


As far as Cali being Virgin Territory so to speak that it is but it doesn't take long for a place to pop off. If 25% of the people who complain about Sosua on the Sosua specific boards come to Cali It would be Virgin territory no more. If you could just get 5000 or so mongers/ weekend warriors and just 20 more expats it would totally transform Cali. Sex Tourism is like throwing a wallet down the street.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[GrownMan1]

I'm posting this here because most mongers and expats do the DR / Colombia circut. When asked about the DR vs. Colombia any DR expat will tell you Colombia wins hands down. Then when asked why are they in the DR they don't have a good answer.

Granted I haven't been to Meddy or Carty so take this with a grain of salt. Colombia blows the DR out of the water in all ways except for general ease of living and women.
Trip.

General ease of living and women. That's all an ex pat needs to say. No one can argue with them on that. Especially if you're retired. Your Spanish has to be more polished in Colombia.

Cali Colombia is Rarely charted Territory. It's going to be a long time before it becomes a popular Monger destination. They don't see many non-black Colombians on vacation. It reminded me like I was back in Cuba before Obama. The only exception is the Cubans were very much aware of Black Americans even though they hadn't seen many.

On two different occasions my friend and I were mistaken for Haitians seeking work. The Haitians were the only non-blacks people were used to seeing. We kept getting asked what country were we from. In the DR they know 90% of the time you're from America and there's no need to ask.

[GrownMan1]

the outdoor ribs near hotel Europa is pretty good (though I am annoyed that I ordered two times same items, essentially same weight, and the guy charged me 600 pesos when the girl the other day only asked for 300. Like with people repeating "chino chino chino" this has been an ongoing issue.) Best seafood hands down other than maimon is Puerto Plata Punto Mariscospop.

That's the only bad thing about the DR, they are constantly trying to hustle and overcharge you. You constantly have to be on your guard when making a purchase or buying service. Chino Chino Chino I know it's irritating but they love chinos And that's why they point you out. Imagine a white girl with blond hair in Jamaica.

[Triple Darknes]

I'm posting this here because most mongers and expats do the DR / Colombia circut. When asked about the DR vs. Colombia any DR expat will tell you Colombia wins hands down. Then when asked why are they in the DR they don't have a good answer.

Granted I haven't been to Meddy or Carty so take this with a grain of salt. Colombia blows the DR out of the water in all ways except for general ease of living and women. What I mean is you can
speak almost no Spanish like I did when I came to the DR and quickly figure it out. I was able to get what I needed as easily in the Dr as I was in English Speaking Kenya. Shit is different in Cali Colombia. You get the run around when finding out basic information and there doesn't seem to be any monger hangouts where you can meet fellow mongers and get schooled. This is similar to Africa where people don't really help Black Mongers.

Secondly the women, Here in Cali there seems to be more plastic here than in the DR and more indigenous women who generally lack curves but the surgery is more realistic here. In the Dr when they use surgery they ten to go overboard and it can look crazy especially when you see them at the mall with their children. But the women are far far far more user friendly in the DR than in Colombia. In the DR I never stepped foot in a Casa, There was no need. Once I found my footing I was picking up semis and "non pros" with ease. I fucked a fair amount of shop girls in Agora and Megacentro malls.

El Conde was like shooting fish in a barrel and the Malecon was an excellent hunting ground. I will say that Colombian Casa girls in smaller casas tend to be as or even more accomodating than a food court worker in Megacentro you can generally get multi nut sessions and CIP (if that's what you want) in an "independent" casa as you can in the DR. I think that Colombian hoes are more "regulated" I haven't seen "the look" in Chipichape Mall from a shopgirl but if a woman is willing to sell pussy I think that they're encouraged to rent out a space and take clients there as opposed to the more freewhelling DR where chicks make on the spot decisions to have sex for money. There isn't a Parque Independencia or even a Parque LLeras in Cali.

Then there's the middleman issue. In Cali it's almost impossible to get takeout (take in?) You either go to the Casa or pay waaaaay more to a cab driver wannabe pimp who will wait as you fuck. I never experienced that in the DR. If a girl "delivered" another girl I usually fucked the delivery girl too just to prove a point. I'm been here more than a month and I haven't had one girl offer up a friend.

My overall point is that by a month's time I was swimming in women in the DR here it's still somewhat touch and go. I'm not motivated to visit every casa to find those diamonds in the rough.

But I will say there's way more non mongering things to do in Cali than in Santo Domingo

The Expats have it right you should live in the DR and vacation in Colombia.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

I'm quoting my own post for me but also for any other monger considering to travel to SD Cali or both.

After finding my feet I still agree that women are still more user friendly in the DR, It's hard to find a woman that going to give you a bad lay. It seems like DR women willing to get into the game are trained up with excellent "bedside Manner". Then there's the fact that 90% of anything in the states you can get in the DR Technically that's true in Cali too but there's random things that you may miss from the states that I can't find in Cali. Cali is a large city with over a million people but it has a small town feel.

Same thing for the women I'm getting low mileage "Non Pro's" in Cali fairly well. Again it's no Santo Domingo but generally the bedside manner is the same. I do miss the Malecon and the beaches but they are a short flight away, However a 7 dollar bus trip beats a 40 dollar plane trip. That brings me to Cali's biggest selling point Price. I made it to the 2000 DOP Peso club after starting in the 4000 peso club but I'm in the 100 K COP club. As of this writing 100 K COP is about 1476 DOP so it's still cheaper overall. That being said I had a few accidental freebies by this point in the DR. What I mean iby accidental freebies is that I had a few Tinder overnights where the chica didn't ask for a dime so I didn't give them any but they didn't return calls after that Mr. Go-Go put me straight on that.

But speaking on Prices everything's cheaper here, again my apartment is currently 372 USD when I first rented it is was 437 USD till I cut out the Airbnb middleman. I had an apartment north of the river in SD that was 550 USD and the price never dropped in fact in increased for Christmas. You can go clear across town in rush hour and you won't pay more than 6 USD. I routinely paid 6 bucks to go from Piantini to the Colonial Zone.

Then there's the infrastructure one reason that you will pay more is because tourism affects the Dominican economy more so literally your Airbnb host would rather kick you out because the host knows that there's some noob willing to pay double the price you paid a month for for only two weeks. In Cali there's not zero Blackouts but no one has an inverter in their house because it's not needed. I drink bottled water but the water here is potable so you can brush your teeth with the water here. It's not nearly as hot here as people would have you believe, the heat myth is from people visiting from Medellin or Bogota. There's little humidity here because it's freqently overcast and it rains for a few minutes everyday (usually late nights and early mornings) . One final upside to Cali is because of the lack of demand there's no talk of cedula's and multimonth security deposits to rent in Cali, You make a deal and you pay the rent as you go no paperwork required.

One other con is the few monger expats here aren't tight knit there's no monger bars no El Conde where you can people watch and pick up a girl who tickles your fancy. Most people not only don't speak english but don't understand american accented spanish. Practice rolling your are's before you get here.

That being said as an retired expat Cali is hard to beat but Santo Domingo is hard not to love. It looks like I'll live in Cali and visit Santo Domingo, In fact I'm making a visa run soon.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

[OldKool]

One mans skank is another mans queen. Most of the SWs I have seen in SD are of that ilk. I have picked up few girls there back in the day. Never had any problems. Every now and then you will see a 7 or 8. There are also semi pros walking conde looking to get some quick cash. Their quality is a bit better. In my expericnce SD working girls leave a bit to desire. On my way as we speak. I used that bus on my last trip. It took little over 3 hours . Game Changer

I just left Grands (pacos) five minutes ago because I had a newbie and I wanted him to see the circus but I wouldn't recommend messing with any of those skanks. Most are thieves, crackheads and no good. But the rest of your post I agree with. There is also a new express bus that leaves Carib tours SD on the half hour for an express to Sosua. The bus ends in Charmicos not Sosua. It's only a 200-300 pesos cab ride to Sosua.

[SoberHans69]

There are freelancers in SD but the quality is questionable. In the Zona Colon there is a restaurant called Grand it is on google maps. It is open late and has a few working girls sitting almost all day. Mostly 5's & 6's but there price is low 1500 or 2000 pesos you are good to go. There are also girls strolling the Mallicon. Any cab will take you there and tell the driver what you want most have girls in there phones and will be glad to hook up. SD is cool but you need contacts and Spanish to truly enjoy it. I will be there this week but I have more chicas then I can see waiting for me. If you into casas or ho houses there are a few. I do not use them so I can not give a recommendation. You will love Sosua because the pussy chases you. The quality is good enough to make you satisfied. Everything there is close at hand and reasonably priced. Good luck and be safe.

That's great, thanks for your reply and all your posts on here, really helpful.

Which bars in Sosua are owned by BMs? I'm sure I read of at least one.

[Mr Gogo]

There are freelancers in SD but the quality is questionable. In the Zona Colon there is a restaurant called Grand it is on google maps. It is open late and has a few working girls sitting almost all day. Mostly 5's & 6's but there price is low 1500 or 2000 pesos you are good to go. There are also girls strolling the Mallicon. Any cab will take you there and tell the driver what you want most have girls in there phones and will be glad to hook up. SD is cool but you need contacts and Spanish to truly enjoy it. I will be there this week but I have more chicas then I can see waiting for me. If you into casas or ho houses there are a few. I do not use them so I can not give a recommendation. You will love Sosua because the pussy chases you. The quality is good enough to make you satisfied. Everything there is close at hand and reasonably priced. Good luck and be safe.

I just left Grands (pacos) five minutes ago because I had a newbie and I wanted him to see the circus but I wouldn't recommend messing with any of those skanks. Most are thieves, crackheads and no good. But the rest of your post I agree with. There is also a new express bus that leaves Carib tours SD on the half hour for an express to Sosua. The bus ends in Charmicos not Sosua. It's only a 200-300 pesos cab ride to Sosua.

[OldKool]

There are freelancers in SD but the quality is questionable. In the Zona Colon there is a restaurant called Grand it is on google maps. It is open late and has a few working girls sitting almost all day. Mostly 5's & 6's but there price is low 1500 or 2000 pesos you are good to go. There are also girls strolling the Mallicon. Any cab will take you there and tell the driver what you want most have girls in there phones and will be glad to hook up. SD is cool but you need contacts and Spanish to truly enjoy it. I will be there this week but I have more chicas then I can see waiting for me. If you into casas or ho houses there are a few. I do not use them so I can not give a recommendation. You will love Sosua because the pussy chases you. The quality is good enough to make you satisfied. Everything there is close at hand and reasonably priced. Good luck and be safe.

Thinking about booking a last minute trip to the DR if the travel restrictions from the UK are relaxed from next week and Colombia is still on the red list.

I much prefer the big city to the beach but not into finding girls online, like doing it in person.

Been reading the forum and it seems like most of the clubs / bars like Mixer, Paris etc are filled with regular women, are there any clubs or bars that are filled with freelancers?

If not I will probably spend a few days in SD to see the city etc then head to Sosua.

Thanks for any advice.

[Tempoecorto]

Gentleman,

Are there any buses that go from SDQ airport directly to Sosua or Puerto Plata; or do I have to take a taxi to Caribe tours bus stop?

Caribe Tours has a station called Santo Domingo Las Americas as you can see below, which is about a 10 minute ($3/4) ride on Uber from the airport. You can find a bus that takes you to Sosua from there without having to enter the chaotic city. Check the schedule to find a ride that adheres to your flight arrival etc; the rate is not 430 pesos but 450 pesos ($8). This timetable states it takes 4 hours but it is easily 4. 30 based on my experience of last week.

Hora Salida Origen Destino Precio Tiempo Estimado Va.

07:00 AM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

08:45 AM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

10:15 AM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

01:00 PM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

02:30 PM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

03:45 PM Santo Domingo Las Americas Sosua 430.00 4:00 H SANTO DOMINGO LAS AMERICAS.

[SoberHans69]

Thinking about booking a last minute trip to the DR if the travel restrictions from the UK are relaxed from next week and Colombia is still on the red list.

I much prefer the big city to the beach but not into finding girls online, like doing it in person.

Been reading the forum and it seems like most of the clubs / bars like Mixer, Paris etc are filled with regular women, are there any clubs or bars that are filled with freelancers?

If not I will probably spend a few days in SD to see the city etc then head to Sosua.

Thanks for any advice.

[OldKool]

The bus does not go directly it makes 2 or 3 stops but is o ly 10 bucks and will take 5 hours but is a pleasant ride. Bring a jacket. The air condition is frigid. I do it all the time. Bring water and a snack take a nap and you are there.

Gentleman,

Are there any buses that go from SDQ airport directly to Sosua or Puerto Plata; or do I have to take a taxi to Caribe tours bus stop?

[Gas6459]

Gentleman,

Are there any buses that go from SDQ airport directly to Sosua or Puerto Plata; or do I have to take a taxi to Caribe tours bus stop?

[Tusabes]

Fellas didn't mean to start any jousting regarding the club seen. Just mentioning another other vibe to do in SD. I also occasionally also like to visit: Merca Santo Domingo, Avenida Duarte and Coliseo Gallistico Santo Domingo.

[OldKool]

Clubbing in the DR is not to meet other people. Groups of friends go out to dance and socialize with each other. They do not interact with other Dominicans.
Very much. Even a gold plated gringo has little shot. We are used to going where the putas are so we assume that all the women are of that mentality. After spending time in Boca Chica and Sosua you assume all the chicas you see are point and click. This far from the truth.

As a general rule, old guys with means have very little trouble competing with "the twenty and thirty something dudes" in the DR. I have been to several clubs in the DR, as despite my age I have nothing to be ashamed of (and hope springs eternal).

I have not had much success in clubs either. Its not the rarefied atmosphere of the clubs that makes hunting so unproductive there, it's the nature of the young ladies. My belief is that the chicas in the clubs are typically from rich families, and don't care about my money. When money fails, charm can often win the heart of a young woman, but it is hard to be charming in a foreign language with 95 dB background noise. A few pros can occasionally be found in some of the clubs, but in general the clubs are not fertile hunting grounds.

[Tempoecorto]

I have not had much success in clubs either. Its not the rarefied atmosphere of the clubs that makes hunting so unproductive there, it's the nature of the young ladies. My belief is that the chicas in the clubs are typically from rich families, and don't care about my money. When money fails, charm can often win the heart of a young woman, but it is hard to be charming in a foreign language with 95 dB background noise. A few pros can occasionally be found in some of the clubs, but in general the clubs are not fertile hunting grounds.

You have very correctly identified the reasons and the uselessness of going to fancy "clubs". Rightly stated, those places are frequented by people with money (often in dollars. Often times of questionable provenience) and is dedicated to flashing blings. Most of us at a certain age, knows the futility of such inane gestures. The people that go there are also in company of others and are not looking for anyone. Language may or may not present a barrier while the decibel level certainly is. The other day, I was at a beach when some creeps started using their vehicle with humongous speakers to play their music. I had to call the cops, it was so atrocious and hurting to the ears.

Having said that, I remember a man who probably was in his 70's (at least 7 years back) in a well known Santiago club called Lovera, who had a very beautiful young Santiaguera in his arms dancing to soft music. The man was a good looking white man, dressed classy and was not with any other male. I certainly envied him but that definitely did not look like the "wham bam, thanks maam" scenario which most of us here are for.