Santo Domingo

[Sidney]

at at 230pm, he came up to my new car, stopped at traffic light north bound, mumbled in spanish, got in the car, and demanded 1000 pesos or he would confirep001e my license. i was defenseless and paid. four blocks later, across from renault dealer, another scum policia tried again. this time, my windows were up and the doors locked. i refused to look at him. then, drove away when the light changed. he didn't shoot at me!

[Bkk212]

You are on the right track. There are quite a few 'dance' clubs in the Malecon area. I can't remember all of the names at the moment. But there are two clubs behind the Jaragua hotel and two clubs near Hotel Mystic.

Try the ones near hotel Mystic they have some very beautiful ladies. Price is as you indicated.

There are also some nice street girls on Indepencia ave. but be careful, some of them look very suspicious.

Enjoy.

I am a newbie to all of this Chica prowling (have been to boca Chica once!) and I hope the following questions that I am about to ask was not repeated previously, and if it were, pardon my ignorance:

I plan to stay at Santo Domingo around May 20th for a week, and my intention for this trip is strictly the Chicas. I am told that Santo Domingo beats Boca Chica tremendously when it comes to finding the most beautiful, cheap, and nicest Chicas that dont hustle you or rip you off. The hostel Riazor comes highly recommended because it's situated in the proximity of Ave Independence, it's friendly to guest, and efficient 50 USD a nice price. I am told that the most Chicas hang out on the south side of the street after 7pm in groups of 2 to 3 by the Esso Gas station. There is the Lapsus Nightclub and the Girls club which I am told are Chica joints that serve Chicas on fixed prices of 2500 pesos for short time up to 5000 pesos for all night respectively. Can anybody confirm all of this, that Ave Independence is the best area in the entire city for an English speaking Gringo like me prowling for beautiful chicas. Could anybody recommend any other girl joints to check out around the Colonial/Ave Independence area? I was told that the Chicas hang out in groups outside on the ave, similar to the mechanism of Boca Chica....wink wink and they come to you, buy them drinks, then negotiate, then take them back to hotel and enjoy their bodies.

Thank you all in advance for your replies, they will help me tremendously!!!

[Fantasy]

Don't forget successfully closing down Remington Palace by supporting the curfew. I do love the curfew, but I feel its days are numbered (at least in current format) for the north coast anyway. Its ashame, I love toda la noche being from 12 or 1 till daylight!!

[Ford]

Chilly,

The article you quoted from is very interesting. I think for the most part it may all be true. If your position is that "cost over-runs" and a lack of "transparency" will result in the country ultimately taking on "Herculean" debt to ultimately finish the project - this may also be the case. It may have made more sense to continue to widen the highways (as they have been doing) and creating a more logical and more dependable bus system to address their "mass transit" issues, at least for now.

However, a few points. Isn't Osiris De Leon the Geophysical Engineer who was griping some time ago on how he wasn't consulted on that project, and he thought he should have been. Something about the "lack of sufficient soil samples" taken in some kind of feasibilty study they conducted?

Too, President Leonel Fernandez has always seen himself as a dynamic man of vision. Even more so during this term after the Hippolito Mejia debacle.
You know that if anyone is going to re-vamp the mass transit system for the city of SDQ - you know he'll want his fingerprints on it!

The real issue as I see it is that they still can't keep the power on down there! I certainly don't think that adding a massive transit-train system to their already inadequate power grid is going to help the problem!

I think Fernandez should make his legacy a) stabilizing the currency v. the US Dollar (which he already has done) and b) keeping the damn lights on for more than 14 hours a day! (lol)

A Transit-Train system isn't going to get the DR out of the 3rd world, not forcing people to cook meals at night by candlelight will!

cheers..............

[Alex Deuce]

Dominican Today Article on Metro

Most damning article I have read on the total cost.

Santo Domingo.- The subsidy for the Santo Domingo Metro project, once in operation, would be at RD$3.2 billion per year, according to estimations by geologist Osiris de Leon.

The coordinator of the Dominican Republic Natural Science and Environment Commission said that this subsidy for the Metro, in addition to the funding assistance necessary for providing the project with energy, will hold the Dominican economy in a state of bankruptcy.

He affirmed that for each passenger, thirty five net pesos would be required, and that daily, the subsidy could reach RD$8.75 million.

He indicated that Metro promoters did not calculate that this would be the one most expensive project during the past one hundred years while contributing with least number of benefits per each peso invested, in addition to hefty subsidy.

De Leon made his observations during a conference he disserted at State University (UASD) entitled ‘The Santo Domingo Metro and its economic, social and environmental impacts’.

He stated that the Metro strongly impacts the economy, because it has spent RD$6 billion and at the end, it will cost RD$55 billion.

It is his understanding that the 14.2 kilometers will barely transport 1% of the national population, while the remaining 99% will pay for a service that they will never use.

He reiterated that the Metro was initiated without studies, without planning, without budgets, without designs and the necessary environmental evaluation.

De Leon said that, for the Metro, all studies were skipped for lack of time and for fear that results concluded in discarding the project from the techno-economic standpoint.

According to the expert, this lack of pertinent studies has caused the project to stumble with grave technical difficulties that have had to be resolved with huge surplus costs, such as addition of thousands of unforeseen pillars, that have cost over RD$500 million at the stretch in Villa Mella.

He stated that, by virtue of funds assigned for capital expenditures, the Metro is more important for the government than food, education and health for the population and a priority beyond environmental considerations.

De Leon said that, during the past month of December, the Executive Power regularized the overdrafts on account of the Metro as of June 2006, by asking from the Congress a transfer of RD$1.1 billion from the Education and Public Health Ministries for the train project.

In his view, extraordinary social impacts of the Metro include, among other, that homes and building structures in the neighborhood of the excavations suffer cracks on floors and walls, aside from impeding free access of neighbors, plus loss of value that nearby homes and buildings.

He considered that risks are considerable, given that the tunnel is built on unsteady grounds.

In De Leon’s view, it is impossible that the Metro transport 250,000 persons per day, as claimed by authorities.

The Transportation Reordering Office (OPRET) has beforehand acknowledged the Metro’s inefficiency, when OPRET announced that some 140 kilometers of bus routes will be required to access the train.

De Leon considered that the country is called on to develop with construction projects, but that development should never be an excuse for undertaking projects without the necessary study and without following a scheme of priorities.

He believes that the Metro is a rushed option that was not planned, adopted unilaterally by the government, without consulting society.

These were the same argueents and issues against our federal highway system. However, the ability to effectively transport cargo, cheap travel creation and increased comerce brought about our second industrial revolution and increased GDP exponinentially.

History is the words greatest asset. However, no one wants to be told that they are full of shit. Most of the non-industrial world is catching up to the West and we are steady trying to poke holes in their growth.

[Sidney]

Dominican Today Article on Metro

Most damning article I have read on the total cost.

Santo Domingo.- The subsidy for the Santo Domingo Metro project, once in operation, would be at RD$3.2 billion per year, according to estimations by geologist Osiris de Leon.

The coordinator of the Dominican Republic Natural Science and Environment Commission said that this subsidy for the Metro, in addition to the funding assistance necessary for providing the project with energy, will hold the Dominican economy in a state of bankruptcy.

He affirmed that for each passenger, thirty five net pesos would be required, and that daily, the subsidy could reach RD$8.75 million.

He indicated that Metro promoters did not calculate that this would be the one most expensive project during the past one hundred years while contributing with least number of benefits per each peso invested, in addition to hefty subsidy.

De Leon made his observations during a conference he disserted at State University (UASD) entitled ‘The Santo Domingo Metro and its economic, social and environmental impacts’.

He stated that the Metro strongly impacts the economy, because it has spent RD$6 billion and at the end, it will cost RD$55 billion.

It is his understanding that the 14.2 kilometers will barely transport 1% of the national population, while the remaining 99% will pay for a service that they will never use.

He reiterated that the Metro was initiated without studies, without planning, without budgets, without designs and the necessary environmental evaluation.

De Leon said that, for the Metro, all studies were skipped for lack of time and for fear that results concluded in discarding the project from the techno-economic standpoint.

According to the expert, this lack of pertinent studies has caused the project to stumble with grave technical difficulties that have had to be resolved with huge surplus costs, such as addition of thousands of unforeseen pillars, that have cost over RD$500 million at the stretch in Villa Mella.

He stated that, by virtue of funds assigned for capital expenditures, the Metro is more important for the government than food, education and health for the population and a priority beyond environmental considerations.

De Leon said that, during the past month of December, the Executive Power regularized the overdrafts on account of the Metro as of June 2006, by asking from the Congress a transfer of RD$1.1 billion from the Education and Public Health Ministries for the train project.

In his view, extraordinary social impacts of the Metro include, among other, that homes and building structures in the neighborhood of the excavations suffer cracks on floors and walls, aside from impeding free access of neighbors, plus loss of value that nearby homes and buildings.

He considered that risks are considerable, given that the tunnel is built on unsteady grounds.

In De Leon’s view, it is impossible that the Metro transport 250,000 persons per day, as claimed by authorities.

The Transportation Reordering Office (OPRET) has beforehand acknowledged the Metro’s inefficiency, when OPRET announced that some 140 kilometers of bus routes will be required to access the train.

De Leon considered that the country is called on to develop with construction projects, but that development should never be an excuse for undertaking projects without the necessary study and without following a scheme of priorities.

He believes that the Metro is a rushed option that was not planned, adopted unilaterally by the government, without consulting society.

[Sidney]

Cute, but I passed.

[Bold Focker]

If BBBJ is a high priortiy go to Phmon Phen in cambodia. Ask for Sophies bar.
It a bit of a dive but safe. I walked in and within 5 minutes i had had 3 girls giving me head. I had five more lined up but had to decline. It is stn practise to give each one a $1. FS is generally $20 for the night.

Maybe it's the allure of the Heart of Darkness, Western Hemisphere style; so you can get your "I Went to Haiti and Lived" t-shirt. I feel it too.

I remember walking with my Haitian amiga in Boca Chica, about a year ago. Making conversation, I mentioned that I'd like to visit Haiti someday. She stopped dead in her tracks, stared at me and asked if I was out of my freakin mind. She was pretty vehement, so I said, "Well, I don't mean now, but maybe sometime in the future, when things are better."

That calmed her down a bit. She allowed that she hoped things would improve in the future, too, but for now I'd have to be insane to want to go there. Since she lived there until she was seventeen and had gone back a few months before to obtain her passport, I have to assume she knew what she was talking about. When someone with intimate knowledge of a place tells you to stay the hell away, it's probably a good idea to listen.

Then again, that $3 BBBJ does sound intriguing...FS for $8, by any chance?

[Freedick]

This is scary:

http://listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=7303

translated to English:

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[Berthold]

You guys know of any good Spanish language schools in Santo Domingo - or even in another DR city? I would like to get some immersion spanish and thought the DR might be a good place to do it and enjoy the other attractions of the DR. I've been to the DR a few times but never looked for a Spanish school. I know they are all over the place, but thought perhaps someone here had a specific recommendation or some experience. ??

Any ideas appreciated.

There is a language school called instituto intercultural del caribe in santo domingo. The school is situated in the zona universitaria right next to the campus of the usad, so it is very easy to hook up with college girls. The same school also exists in sosua in the the part of the city which is called el batey. I had spanish classes in both schools and had a great time.

The web page is www.edase.com. If you are looking for something else besides that you might just use google to look for alternatives.

[Clodbuster]

You guys know of any good Spanish language schools in Santo Domingo - or even in another DR city? I would like to get some immersion spanish and thought the DR might be a good place to do it and enjoy the other attractions of the DR. I've been to the DR a few times but never looked for a Spanish school. I know they are all over the place, but thought perhaps someone here had a specific recommendation or some experience. ??

Any ideas appreciated.

[James Zz]

Money is the primary factor in every country! Women size up your looks, confidence, money. Fat wallets make you much better good looking.

If your successful. Your gf's are beautiful.

Nothing is free. Everyone is looking for something.

My "hometown" sucks bigtime compared to SD. Thank goodness the girls in my "hometown" are not the same and why would I ever think sd is the same as my hometown.

Not every young "hot" 18, 19, 20, etc. Year old is looking for a young hardbody to f** for one night. Do not worry about age. Being fit helps.

Language skills help, social skills help. What is most important is being confident and being succesful. Believe you can take every girl home, then when you meet them expect to take them home. Don't ask. Do it. You can be nice and still be in charge.

So when your in SD, dress nice and talk to every girl you see that you like. If you strike out. Move on. Not a big deal.

Don't listen to some know it all young guy or old guy. Just because a guy lives in a country does not make him a expert. Some are and others are just like the "guys" that live in your town.

I'm not expert. I wonder who BS'S more. Guys or hookers. Especially when it comes to money.

[Julio 230]

Thanks Curry,

It's possible that you did find one of the points, why she felt not happy with me this time. As I am 57 and have a little belly, may be this time, she dit not like much to stay with me because she had a slimmer man at her home. But last year, she was quite different and had truly orgasm with me several times, but I'm not sad, another one said: Every day another nice girl is waking up and waiting for you, and this is true. Anyhow, all are more or less crazy..Will write soon more about.

[Marc Anthony]

If you had several nights TLN and she was not satisfied do you mean you didn't discuss it until the end and when you gave her 1000 she said that's not enough? Or if she got 1000 the first night why did she do another if she wasn't satisfied?

Another factor beside your curb appeal is having a good experience with you. I'm one of the those guys who is very glad to keep a chica for days if she's exceptional. I treat chicas well and once they are comfortable with me they ask for much less. It's something of a risk every time a chica goes with a new guy, handsome or not. Part of the charge is for that risk. Once she is comfortable with you the risk cost goes away.

[Curry]

Hello Marc Anthony,

Would like to knwo, how much you gave them ST or TLN.

had one several nights with me in Juan Dolio, and she felt not satisfied with 1000 TLN (one pop) and food. What do you think? thanks. Julio.

Will write soon about my experiencies in Juan Dolio.

The average Haitiana would go for this but the following factors should be considered.
1.Is your money more handsome than you?
2.How good is your Creole or Spanish?
3.Did you buy her a slice of pizza or arroz con camerones?
In other words. If you arent goodlooking or handsome in our native land, then money becomes the primary issue. I dont care how much she rubs on you, sits with you, whispers in your ear etc. If you dont bag chicks in your homeland without money, dont be under the impression that you can do it here. I AM NOT COMMENTING ON YOU PERSONALLLY. This general statement goes for most of us. I am relatively young and athletic. This makes negotiating a little easier. Some of these chicks put it in their minds that if they were to F you good enough you might just stay with them and spend on them for the duration of your trip. As ridiculous as it seems and sounds, guys do it all the time. Do what I do. Just treat it like your hometown. You would be suprised how many girls will actually fuck for "free" if you treat them like you would someone back home. PLEASE NOTE. This will not work on most of the girls because they are not like someone "back home". It works consistently enough for me though.