Santo Domingo

[GrownMan1]

Welcome to DR.

Yep. These days if you are not handing out money or free shit then you have no business in the DR. The days of free seem to be gone. I thought maybe because I am getting older, but many DR veterans that I talk to have had the same experience and have left DR for greener pastures.

The Internet has changed the game. No longer do you have to wait for a man to come to your country for P4 P. They can meet him online, give him a little attention and go straight for his pockets. It's doesn't matter if one Gringo says no, specially since the web allows chicas to deal with hundreds of suckers on a month basis. Volume is the key. And it’s so easy. The money is coming in so fast and quick the average person don’t even Give you 8 good sentences before she’s begging. One can make it a full time job with no experience necessary just Wi-Fi and photos.

Hell the photos don't have to be of the chicas. I personally witness 2 homosexuals that use their amigas pictures to talk to men on tagged. She says her friends give her nice kick backs when ever they score.

[Oakie]

Thank you for the complement O-man. Always pleasure when the King of Sosua grants us an audience from throne in his puta pueblo. And yes definitions are important. That's why I provided them in my posts for my readers to reference.

Lol.

There's only one "king" of Sosua, and that's dinero. A lot of "kings" in Sosua right now. Party Central.

It's not complicated, I try and get max value out my meager pension, is all.

Like you, I am happy where I am! Sosua works for me, and apparently many others.

If it didn't, I wouldn't be here! Simple.

I just try to give back what I've personally learned, and offer encouragement to others, like Mr GoGo did for me, all those years ago!

Peace, and good mongering!

[SubCmdr]

Yep. These days if you are not handing out money or free shit then you have no business in the DR. The days of free seem to be gone. I thought maybe because I am getting older, but many DR veterans that I talk to have had the same experience and have left DR for greener pastures.

Really that's interesting, because I read the posts of many here that seem to be enjoying themselves enough to not only visit but live here. But I'm certain we are talking to different people and that does not surprise me. My thought is that maybe the chicas have wised up and are not in giving time, energy, effort and pussy to random gringo visitors that are just passing through.

And don't you mean pinker pastures full of girl waiting with legs spread to give foreign visitors pussy for free. Ok Mr. E I'll bite, where these havens of free poosy? LOL!

[Mr Enternational]

So I'll be down in SD in two weeks and I've been exploring dominicancupid for some leads. So far I barely start a conversation and these chicks are asking for ayuda $$. One woman asked if I can help her and I said I don't know. The * asks well then who does know. I told her you the one who knows what help you need. End of conversation. It's hard to believe the number of manginas who must be hooking these chicks up with $$ for a few conversations, sexy pics and videos. From what I've read on these threads some make a good living off of these. These types of manginas fuck it up for everyone. When will they learn you don't get any respect much less play for giving these women this type of attention?

Welcome to DR. It was not always that way. But I am afraid that it is now. Even chicks that I have been messing with for 10 years for free are trying to cash in.

A couple of weeks ago I was in Puerto Plata and went to this chick's house. Before I even met this chick I made it clear that I did not want to talk to her in the first place because in my experience Dominicanas want money. She assured me that was not the case. I must have sat at her house an hour meeting and talking to her mom, dad, son, brother, and sister. When I left I didn't hear from her for a couple of days. Then she sent me a message saying I was not the kind of man she was looking for. I did not even ask her family if they needed anything. Who the fuck did she think I looked like? And I didn't even so much as kiss this chick!

A couple of days after that I went to eat with a chick. She was all lovey dovey. I dropped her home and she asked for money to get her hair done. I told her I only have credit cards. Never heard from her again.

Yep. These days if you are not handing out money or free shit then you have no business in the DR. The days of free seem to be gone. I thought maybe because I am getting older, but many DR veterans that I talk to have had the same experience and have left DR for greener pastures.

[SubCmdr]

So I'll be down in SD in two weeks and I've been exploring dominicancupid for some leads. So far I barely start a conversation and these chicks are asking for ayuda $$. One woman asked if I can help her and I said I don't know. The * asks well then who does know. I told her you the one who knows what help you need. End of conversation. It's hard to believe the number of manginas who must be hooking these chicks up with $$ for a few conversations, sexy pics and videos. From what I've read on these threads some make a good living off of these. These types of manginas fuck it up for everyone. When will they learn you don't get any respect much less play for giving these women this type of attention?

I started out on Dominican cupid also. And I had great success. If they asked me for money I told them I did not send money to people I didn't know. But if they met with me after I arrived and we got along well I'd be open to helping them out. If they stopped talking to me that was great. They screened themselves. I'm not the one to tell another man what to do with his hard earned money or who to fuck. If a girl has guys sending her money then that's great. I'll take the pussy right here and now. Thank you very much. But I'm not the one. And neither are you.

I still talk to girls I've never met and started writing to them before I even stepped foot on the island. Never sent them a dime. And they never asked for it. What they do ask is when: I'm going to come visit them so we can get to know each other? And I always reply: soon.

[SubCmdr]

Your detailed and informative post on the legality of prostitute related activities, is interesting, but since these activities operate on the very edge of the laws, definitions are important.

Thank you for the complement O-man. Always pleasure when the King of Sosua grants us an audience from throne in his puta pueblo. And yes definitions are important. That's why I provided them in my posts for my readers to reference.

Enforcement is inconsistent for a reason. It allows for "eye of the beholder" interpretation to keep the whole industry viable for operators and politicians alike.
We all know a Casa when we see one, and certainly a Hooker Bar, but it's like porno, in the eye of the beholder to a large extent, which gives lots of wiggle room for enforcement.

Actually if you take my post in the context of what was written and to whom the response was written, it's fairly obvious that it's not a matter of law enforcement or interpretation. The law is written in black and white. But the fiscalias are allowed broad latitude to simply do what they want when they want to without regard to the law. Review Mr. Knowledge's post where he wrote that Dominican Republic has no law. Review Prtyr2 posts. You say it is indeed a murky business. It may be, but you didn't address the issue of sexual slavery which is what it is when you don't allow your supposed employees to come and go freely and they are being paid to have sex with the clients you have. That was the issue I addressed. Did you miss that?

For example, If I give my GF's momma a propina for sleeping with her daughter, that is ok.

Not be argumentative but actually it's not. A third party is receiving a benefit of your payment for prostitution. I make reference to the following statement:

She ran a hooker bar. That is not legal. Prostitution is legal. Pimping or a third party making money on the deal is not legal.

Next question:

If I bring in 6 buddies and they all pay her to sleep with her family and friends, on a regular basis, can that be considered a Casa?

A strict technical interpretation of the law it would be considered a casa. Reference is made to the previous statement by Prtyr2. Next question:

And how many hookers can legally buy a drink in an average bar at the same time until it is considered a "Hooker Bar"? 1, 5, 10?

You got me on that one as I don't know the specific definition of "Hooker Bar" under the law and you have not provided me with one. But if all they are doing is buying drinks then under the law a infinite number of hookers can visit the establishment and buy drinks. But if just one hooker buys a drink and has to pay an additional fee to the establishment in order to justify her presence there and her presence there is to conduct negotiations for payment for sexual services that occur on premise or off I'm certain that would subject the owner of that establishment to some legal liability. But, I'll say it again, I'm not a abogoto nor versed with the finer points of Dominican Law.

Now a few examples of my own: If I give a girl I know 500 pesos for hooking me up with a friend is she in violation of the law? How many of her friends can she hook me up with 1, 5, 10 before she is in violation of the law?

For that matter how about this one: How many hookers can I fit on the top of my dick before a fiscalia gets jealous and I am charged with the excessive use of Dominican pussy and my pussy procurement and penetration (PP&A) operation is shut down? Answer: I don't know. But I'm sure trying to find out. LOL! I'm certain the notica will read that the authorities found that I was a sexual slave. That my dick owned me. And they needed to deport me in order to protect the purity of Dominicanas in the country. Sure ya right!

I hope that now you consider all of your questions asked and answered. And if not, I don't know if you have corresponded with Prtyr2 directly but he just might give you the same advice as he gave me: Google it!

My point is not to be argumentative, but to help explain why the political fucked up inconsistent "sweeps" we see all the time, allow the powers that be, and their friends, to maintain control of the whole damn business.

Hey brother not to be argumentative again but there really is no answer to the why part. Your final comment implies there is a systematic control system in place. But you have not identified it. You actually make my point when you placed "inconsistent" in your statement. Which is actually consistent with what everyone else has written about the situation with casas and hooker bars in the Santo Domingo forum. Consistent would mean there is a reason behind each and every enforcement or lack of enforcement decision. Consistent would imply that each and every owner knew what they needed to do in order to stay in compliance.

You must have missed the entire conversation that occurred in the Santo Domingo forum before responding to my post. Had you made a careful review of the posts previous mine you would have found a very interesting tone to them. Less attitude and more precise definitions may have been useful just as you pointed out. I see the purpose of your post was to educate those who do not know not to be argumentative. I appreciate your efforts at good will and positive intensions and I hope that others appreciate it also.

Just my 2 cents!

I don't know what they use for money in Sosua, but in Santo Domingo este we use pesos. Reference is made my post in the general information section about my latest money exchange.

Although, I do see escorts schooled in the currency markets requesting USD for their fees. And their conversion rates into pesos are spot on. As for your two cents, I appreciate it, but I don't know if you have been back to the United States of America recently. 2 cents won't even buy a bubble gum ball out of a vending machine these days. I'd hate to think that's all your thoughts are worth. Maybe they should even eliminate pennies like they have in Canada? But when I travel there I always feel like I'm getting the short end of the round up. Maybe it's a dark side thing? I don't know.

I hope you enjoyed reading this response as much as I enjoyed writing it my man! I hear it is good be the King. You got a queen, ladies in waiting and your weight is down. But please keep in mind, Sosua is not Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. Holla at brother if you ever get down here again. I'll hold your hand and walk you through it. LOL!

Glass of Brugal 1888 up!

[GMoney582]

So I'll be down in SD in two weeks and I've been exploring dominicancupid for some leads. So far I barely start a conversation and these chicks are asking for ayuda $$. One woman asked if I can help her and I said I don't know. The * asks well then who does know. I told her you the one who knows what help you need. End of conversation. It's hard to believe the number of manginas who must be hooking these chicks up with $$ for a few conversations, sexy pics and videos. From what I've read on these threads some make a good living off of these. These types of manginas fuck it up for everyone. When will they learn you don't get any respect much less play for giving these women this type of attention?

[Prtyr2]

It's a murky business, and that's the point I was making.

If you want to drill down into the details you might have to calculate the food and drink income from mongers who go there in droves to pick up the waitresses, vs the income they get from all the bar "fines" from the girls, and how can they stay open unless they have a constant supply of "staff" to replace them. What would be considered "reasonable" for a normal "restaurant". That sort of stuff!

They can pick and choose what to enforce.

It's all above my pay scale!

LOL.

Is the merengue bar in the jaragua a hooker bar? Nope. There will be hotel, guests and couples with zero interest in hookers. The jaragua does not promote or profit from it either. Different than say classicos. Classicos was technically legal and usually when they got busted it was for other reasons.

St.

[Oakie]

SubCMdr previobusly said that hooker bars are illegal. Which for me brings up the question of "What is a Hooker bar?" Is it a bar where freelancers commonly hang out like the Piano Bar in Boca Chica or the car washes? Or is a bar where you pay an exit fee to take a chica from the bar?

I seen it where "waitresses" had to pay a fee to leave a bar before their shift ends. Places like the Piano Bar I would think would be perfectly legal becuase the owner or manager is not profiting directly from prositution. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

It's a murky business, and that's the point I was making.

If you want to drill down into the details you might have to calculate the food and drink income from mongers who go there in droves to pick up the waitresses, vs the income they get from all the bar "fines" from the girls, and how can they stay open unless they have a constant supply of "staff" to replace them. What would be considered "reasonable" for a normal "restaurant". That sort of stuff!

They can pick and choose what to enforce.

It's all above my pay scale!

LOL.

[SubCmdr]

SubCMdr previobusly said that hooker bars are illegal. Which for me brings up the question of "What is a Hooker bar?" Is it a bar where freelancers commonly hang out like the Piano Bar in Boca Chica or the car washes? Or is a bar where you pay an exit fee to take a chica from the bar?

I seen it where "waitresses" had to pay a fee to leave a bar before their shift ends. Places like the Piano Bar I would think would be perfectly legal becuase the owner or manager is not profiting directly from prositution. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

I didn't originally say it. I just stipulated to it for the sake of argument. This what the original poster wrote about the issue:

Also a bar and a casa are not necessarily the same. Bars that charge salidas, bars that have freelancers and bars with onsite rooms are all different things. One is legal, two are not. Enforcement is spotty as with all other laws in DR. I have seen legal places closed because neigbors, a politician or big wig complained or a fiscalia got an insect up his anus. I have seen illegal places avoid sweeps because they greased the right palms. One sweep in gazcue resulted in no more on site rooms. The salida is harder to enforce as the chicas can be "waitresses" and the salida is a "fine" for leaving work early, but a fiscalia that has an agenda will see it differently.

Years ago in Boca they closed all the bars on duarte that were not breaking any laws because they wanted to clean up the main drag. They left all the casas open even if illegal as they were off main drag and likely greased palms. Bars on pedro clisante that had freelancers were closed while passions was left alone. Then Passions, the same place with same owner was closed and owner arrested. Why? They felt like it.

He then added:

Google prostitution in DR as you seem to not want to believe me.

I can't speak for him but I'm sure he would say the same thing to you if you contacted him directly. Right?

[DcGogo]

Hi SubC:

And how many hookers can legally buy a drink in an average bar at the same time until it is considered a "Hooker Bar"? 1, 5, 10?

My point is not to be argumentative, but to help explain why the political fucked up inconsistent "sweeps" we see all the time, allow the powers that be, and their friends, to maintain control of the whole damn business.

Just my 2 cents!

Peace!

SubCMdr previobusly said that hooker bars are illegal. Which for me brings up the question of "What is a Hooker bar?" Is it a bar where freelancers commonly hang out like the Piano Bar in Boca Chica or the car washes? Or is a bar where you pay an exit fee to take a chica from the bar?

I seen it where "waitresses" had to pay a fee to leave a bar before their shift ends. Places like the Piano Bar I would think would be perfectly legal becuase the owner or manager is not profiting directly from prositution. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

[Brother P]

Hi SubC:

Your detailed and informative post on the legality of prostitute related activities, is interesting, but since these activities operate on the very edge of the laws, definitions are important.

Enforcement is inconsistent for a reason. It allows for "eye of the beholder" interpretation to keep the whole industry viable for operators and politicians alike.

We all know a Casa when we see one, and certainly a Hooker Bar, but it's like porno, in the eye of the beholder to a large extent, which gives lots of wiggle room for enforcement.

For example, If I give my GF's momma a propina for sleeping with her daughter, that is ok. If I bring in 6 buddies and they all pay her to sleep with her family and friends, on a regular basis, can that be considered a "Casa"?

And how many hookers can legally buy a drink in an average bar at the same time until it is considered a "Hooker Bar"? 1, 5, 10?

My point is not to be argumentative, but to help explain why the political fucked up inconsistent "sweeps" we see all the time, allow the powers that be, and their friends, to maintain control of the whole damn business.

Just my 2 cents!

Peace!

Well stated. I am entertained! LMAO.

[Oakie]

Let me stipulate for the record: Casas and Hooker Bars are illegal.

Hi SubC:

Your detailed and informative post on the legality of prostitute related activities, is interesting, but since these activities operate on the very edge of the laws, definitions are important.

Enforcement is inconsistent for a reason. It allows for "eye of the beholder" interpretation to keep the whole industry viable for operators and politicians alike.

We all know a Casa when we see one, and certainly a Hooker Bar, but it's like porno, in the eye of the beholder to a large extent, which gives lots of wiggle room for enforcement.

For example, If I give my GF's momma a propina for sleeping with her daughter, that is ok. If I bring in 6 buddies and they all pay her to sleep with her family and friends, on a regular basis, can that be considered a "Casa"?

And how many hookers can legally buy a drink in an average bar at the same time until it is considered a "Hooker Bar"? 1, 5, 10?

My point is not to be argumentative, but to help explain why the political fucked up inconsistent "sweeps" we see all the time, allow the powers that be, and their friends, to maintain control of the whole damn business.

Just my 2 cents!

Peace!

[SubCmdr]

Let me stipulate for the record: Casas and Hooker Bars are illegal. Prostitution is not. Not a matter of belief it's a matter of law. And yet the same posters turn around and say there is no law in the Dominican Republic and they say those who are charged with enforcing the law simply do what they want whenever they want. So, I'll make that stipulation also. But when making a logical argument you can't have it both ways.

Honestly some places don't let them come and go as mongers will cut deals for after hours and days off. Giving free room and board to a chica that can then freelance is not in the bar's best interests.

I appreciate your honesty. Time for you to learn something from me Prtyr: slavery refers to a condition in which individuals are owned by others, who control where they live and at what they work. No spin there brother. For the record: I've only lived here for 5 years, in five different barrios and have not purchased real estate, so I defer to your greater experience.

How do they stop the chicas from coming and going? Threats? Physical intimidation? Confiscation of monies received for services? I don't know, but that still sounds like slavery to me. And what are the services being performed for these places? Sexual. Can I get a fiscala to holla "sexual slavery"? Tell me it's not true! Now, I've come to his conclusion without having to read anything that has been written in the Dominican press. This is based on the information being provided by "my fellow mongers". But as a thought, firefighters receive free room and board but are allowed to come and go from the firehouse as their shifts begin and end.

Legal or not, it is supposed to be a business. And the chicas working there are supposed to be employees (as I'm not aware that slavery is legal in the Dominican Republic). If the owners of the casa are not astute enough to create a business model that allows them to make a profit without resulting to slavery they they should be shut down (in my opinion). But what actually goes on is pure speculation because even with your 17 years of full-time experience living here you haven't been a fiscala or heard a single case (maybe you have received all your information as a spectator within the courtroom where the proceedings are held). But I remain willing to google whatever I need to should that be your response while trying to make another point.

In my experience here as a consumer what I have found is that many Dominican business owners with physical locations have no sense of customer service, business organization or business acumen. The barriers set up for entering the market are what protects theses business from competition. The few Dominican business owners that have truly created successful business models have been recognized on the world stage and have made 10's to 100's of millions of dollars selling their successful businesses into the global business marketplace. That being said, I've found that in the independent arena Co's, V's, and H's chicas beat the panties off Dominicans when it comes to sexual services.

Let me close by saying I'm not disputing that fiscalias can do what they want (that would be another stipulation). I have it on good authority by people who were born in the Dominican Republic that they are subject to political influence and bribes. But when an establishment is not letting the chicas come and go as they please at the completion of their shift and using some sort of mental or physical intimidation to enforce the house rules, isn't that very definition of slavery? If not, what the fuck is it in your definition?

I have seen legal places closed because neigbors, a politician or big wig complained or a fiscalia got an insect up his anus.

There is no need to lie when shutting down an operation that is already illegal. So the automatic assumption that when something is written or a reason given for a shut down it's a lie, well that's your opinion (unless you are going to tell me you got it from the mouth of the fiscalia). There is no reason to give a reason other than the one behind the shut down if the operation is illegal. And your description of how that for any reason a fiscalia can shut down legal places makes sense when it comes down to illegal places. Does a fiscalia actually need a reason to shut down a operation that is illegal?

The prosecution rests!

I'm getting tired of having to both teach class and hold court because someone wants to act like they are the fiscalia of the Santo Domingo forum every time I post something. I am neither inclined or disinclined to believe anything I read here because you said it or someone with less experience said it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But they are not entitled to their own facts. And if you are going to make an argument make it a good one or at the very least make it logical. No need for back and forth, insults, insinuations, believe systems or other nonsense. In other words, come strong to the hoop, or get rejected like a poor Dominican guy asking for pussy from a chapiadora. If you don't know what a chapiadora is better ask somebody or better yet: Google it! LOL!

Now, like the new guy asked, can we talk about the places that are open and operating now? You know, that whole sharing information about having sex with girls thing that I personally find much more interesting?

[Prtyr2]

We've seen this movie before, haven't we? Maybe this time will be different because the Villar family are back on a real estate buying spree, recently moving down Pasteur toward the malecon. Their strategy may be to own everything within one street in all directions of their core buildings except the hotels. I don't see that it would grow their business but the now abandoned casas are worth very little to anyone else. That means they can buy at fire sale prices, set up loss leader businesses to increase the value of the locations, then sell them at a handsome profit. It's fun to blue sky like this. Back to reality, the real change that comes when the Pasteur joints are shut down is the drug dealing touts go away.

Same old, same old. First one I remember wss back in 2002 or 2003. I am sure that was not the first. First one I noticed.