Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Cocr Brotheler]

Thank you Baxter for this info. Always have to be vigilant.

I got pick pocketed today for the first time in San Jose Centro around 130 pm. Thank God she did not harm me but really surprised me. I was in Calle 6 red zone trying to find the huge low end brothel. I walked by it and continued a little further to see if anything else interesting passing by numerous hos outside other establishments. Passed by this one larger woman without several front teeth and she tried to slow me. I made it by her the first time however when I turned around to head back she slowed me down enough to rub my chest and so quick her hand in my right front pocket. At first I tried to pull her hand out but she already got hold of my plastic sandwich bag of smaller bills. The sidewalk was narrow and perhaps and man accomplice to help block + traffic in the street so I stuck. Next time I go into more risk zones taking pepper spray and martial arts cane.

[Cocr Brotheler]

They killed them for what? Trying to fight back? Not making ransom payment?

[The Cane]

I know you like to fear monger about Tijuana but to bring up a story about what happened to some surfers over 100 miles from Tijuana is really pathetic. Unless you have some inside information on how they where drinking in HK and where followed past Ensenada to be killed makes me wonder what this has to do with going to the Zona. If you really want to fear monger I'd suggest reading the local Tijuana news and posting that. Or tell us a country in the world that has never had a tourist killed.

Because the name of this thread is Crime, Safety, and the Police. That's why! And there's no "fear mongering" in sharing and discussing the facts as presented in the news about a current case in Mexico. It would appear that a few others here are also interested in the same story. If you aren't, then why ask why? Just keep it moving and scroll right along past it if you want to keep your eyes and ears closed to it then. Nobody here cares one way or the other. Que sera, sera! I have never said or done anything here on the level of some trying to fear monger about Colombia at every turn. That's for damn sure! Not even close.

[Hargow20]

It is always important to keep you guard up Mexico. When I visit Tijuana I always look to see who is behind me. The othe thing to remember is that is many of the people that live in Zona live from day to day existence. The girl I see is changing hotels all the time. I am fortunate that she is a very nice and honest person. So many of them are extremely desperate & will do almost anything to survive.

That, and in out hobby the thought of being lured by a chica to meet up outside the zona. Temptation has a may of seeing us put our guard down. I do remember the story of a LOS Angeles fire fighter lured to meet up with a chica, then set up and found dead. Also very recently read a story about a guy who had been seeing a girl for a year or so. She asked to be taken to a friends place instead of home he was ambushed. At the drop off point he was robbed of everything including car luckily he did escape with his life. If you ever meet up with a chica outside the zona make sure its on your terms. Drugs create crazy desperation in people.

There is a civvie I met down there years ago. I recall an incident where in the wee hours we were out together. When she said she had to go home and wanted me to along. We ended up deep in a shitty area of the zona norte. Me and the taxi driver waited for her in the taxi. The driver seemed extremely nervous. I was just drunk and stupid. That so easily could have been a setup.

Funny thing, that same girl just contacted me yesterday after a couple years and wanted to see me again. Could be a huge red flag with all the shit that goes on down there. Of course I have been known to think with the wrong head. But just a reminder no matter how comfortable you get in Tijuana never let your guard down. Even the chica could be a good person but could be under some outside pressure to do something stupid.

[StRobert]

Video from CBS 8 San Diego link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NEThCfLmWM.

Video from 9 News Australia link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPw6n0AtJUI.

[StRobert]

The news showed pic the white pick up truck was burned.

It was not ordinary robbery. Looks more like a cartel revenge murder.

How did policia find links to 3 suspects so quick. It's hard to believe policia could do anything, knowing only 10% murders investigated and maybe 1% conviction.

Video from CBS 8 San Diego link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NEThCfLmWM.

[Baxter Slade]

I saw that also and always have to be careful no matter where you are.

Unfortunately they were in a more remote area not so many other people around. At least in la zona have a lot of people around. Biggest risk to us in la zona is some crazy shootout!

That, and in out hobby the thought of being lured by a chica to meet up outside the zona. Temptation has a may of seeing us put our guard down. I do remember the story of a LOS Angeles fire fighter lured to meet up with a chica, then set up and found dead. Also very recently read a story about a guy who had been seeing a girl for a year or so. She asked to be taken to a friends place instead of home he was ambushed. At the drop off point he was robbed of everything including car luckily he did escape with his life. If you ever meet up with a chica outside the zona make sure its on your terms. Drugs create crazy desperation in people.

There is a civvie I met down there years ago. I recall an incident where in the wee hours we were out together. When she said she had to go home and wanted me to along. We ended up deep in a shitty area of the zona norte. Me and the taxi driver waited for her in the taxi. The driver seemed extremely nervous. I was just drunk and stupid. That so easily could have been a setup.

Funny thing, that same girl just contacted me yesterday after a couple years and wanted to see me again. Could be a huge red flag with all the shit that goes on down there. Of course I have been known to think with the wrong head. But just a reminder no matter how comfortable you get in Tijuana never let your guard down. Even the chica could be a good person but could be under some outside pressure to do something stupid.

[Captain Solo]

The news showed pic the white pick up truck was burned.

It was not ordinary robbery. Looks more like a cartel revenge murder.

How did policia find links to 3 suspects so quick. It's hard to believe policia could do anything, knowing only 10% murders investigated and maybe 1% conviction.

[Sol12]

Dead tourist bodies found! Be careful out there my mongering brethren:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/missin...fing-trip/amp/

I know you like to fear monger about Tijuana but to bring up a story about what happened to some surfers over 100 miles from Tijuana is really pathetic. Unless you have some inside information on how they where drinking in HK and where followed past Ensenada to be killed makes me wonder what this has to do with going to the Zona.

If you really want to fear monger I'd suggest reading the local Tijuana news and posting that. Or tell us a country in the world that has never had a tourist killed.

[Cocr Brotheler]

Dead tourist bodies found! Be careful out there my mongering brethren:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/missin...fing-trip/amp/

I saw that also and always have to be careful no matter where you are.

Unfortunately they were in a more remote area not so many other people around. At least in la zona have a lot of people around. Biggest risk to us in la zona is some crazy shootout!

[The Cane]

Dead tourist bodies found! Be careful out there my mongering brethren:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/missin...fing-trip/amp/

[Hargow20]

My girl told me yesterday that the police have stopping a lot of people and shaking them down more possibly. Personally I have this. But I did notice that there was no national guard troops in the Zona. There also did not appear to be many in Tijuana. So this may explain a possible uptick in police shakedowns. If anyone has more sightings please post?

I've been Tijuana 3 out of the last 5 weeks. The past 2 weeks there have been groups of officers stopping and frisking people on Primera. Thankfully I think that they are actually targeting shady characters and leaving titty loving gringos alone. The units have samewhere between 3 to 5 officers and they all appeared to be stopping and frisking suspicious looking characters. My giant white gringo ass was left alone.

On the plus side had a great night out with my Amigo Baxter Slade shoutout to him for the great night.

For the forseeable future I suggest you leave any contraband at home as while the past couple of weeks they haven't been targeting gringos that doesn't mean they can't go right back to that activity.

[Daytonamonger]

I've been Tijuana 3 out of the last 5 weeks. The past 2 weeks there have been groups of officers stopping and frisking people on Primera. Thankfully I think that they are actually targeting shady characters and leaving titty loving gringos alone. The units have samewhere between 3 to 5 officers and they all appeared to be stopping and frisking suspicious looking characters. My giant white gringo ass was left alone.

On the plus side had a great night out with my Amigo Baxter Slade shoutout to him for the great night.

For the forseeable future I suggest you leave any contraband at home as while the past couple of weeks they haven't been targeting gringos that doesn't mean they can't go right back to that activity.

[Captain Solo]

WTF AMLO is talking about?

What about millions Mexican citizens and businesses having to pay extremely high cartels' taxes or get kidnapped, tortured and murdered?

What about millions Mexicans hooked on cartels' meth and fentanyl?

Mexico has gone down the shit hole.

AMLO succeeded in turning Mexico into a failed state and a narco state. He likely pocketed billions $ drugs money from the cartels. Mexico's government is useless. Cartels own Mexico and her people. Cartels are Mexico's overlords.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-pr...89d67adb02e447

Mexican president claims that criminal groups are 'respectful' and 'respect the citizenry'.

FILE. Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador gives his regularly scheduled morning press conference at the National Palace in Mexico City, April 15, 2024. Lopez Obrador said Thursday, April 25,2024, that the country's violent criminal gangs and drug cartels are essentially "respectful people" who "respect the citizenry" and most just kill each other. (AP Photo / Marco Ugarte, File).

Updated 12:56 PM PDT, April 25,2024.

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's president said Thursday that the country's violent criminal gangs and drug cartels are essentially "respectful people" who "respect the citizenry" and mostly just kill each other.

The claims by President Andrés Manuel López Obrador are clearly at odds with the reality of millions of Mexicans who live in areas dominated by drug cartels. The cartels routinely demand protection payments from local residents and kill or kidnap them if they refuse to pay.

A reporter asked López Obrador whether drug cartels behaved well when he visited the township of Badiraguato, Sinaloa — the hometown of imprisoned drug lord Joaquíand "El Chapo" Guzmáand, which he has controversially visited as president about a half dozen times.

"Always!" López Obrador responded, adding that "Sometimes we come upon people who are strange, but respectful."

Continuing on the subject of drug cartels at his morning news briefing, López Obrador said "There is something people should know."

"Fortunately, the attacks that happen in this country generally occur between (criminal) groups," the president said. "They respect the citizenry."

FILE. This combination of two file photos shows Xochitl Galvez, left, arriving to register her name as a presidential candidate on July 4, 2023, in Mexico City, and Claudia Sheinbaum, right, at an event that presented her as her party's presidential nominee on Sept. 6, 2023, in Mexico City. The two women, considered the frontrunners in Mexico's presidential election, discussed social spending and climate change in the race's second debate Sunday, April 28,2024, which also included Jorge Álvarez Máynez. (AP Photo / Fernando Llano, File).

López Obrador has long refused to directly confront the cartels, who he claims were forced into criminality by a lack of opportunities. His "Hugs, not bullets" strategy offers job training programs for youths so they won't become cartel gunmen.

In the past, he has also appeared to normalize the gangs' presence, encouraging Mexicans to negotiate peace pacts among the cartels.

But saying the cartels don't attack common citizens takes the issue to a new level. Experts and rights activists say thousands of Mexicans have been forced from their homes by cartel violence and extortion, and thousands of business owners, taxi and bus drivers have been killed for refusing extortion demands.

Clandestine grave sites throughout Mexico are filled with the bodies of drug cartel victims.

Thursday's statements by López Obrador come one week after he said he won't fight Mexican drug cartels on USA Orders. In what the president called a "Mexico First" policy, he said "We are not going to act as policemen for any foreign government. Mexico First. Our home comes first."

Over the years, López Obrador has laid out various justifications for his policy of avoiding clashes with the cartels. In the past he has said "you cannot fight violence with violence," and on other occasions he has argued the government has to address "the causes" of drug cartel violence, ascribing them to poverty or a lack of opportunities.

López Obrador has also encouraged leaders of the Catholic church to try to negotiate peace pacts between warring gangs.

Explaining why he has ordered the army not to attack cartel gunmen, he said in 2022 that "we also take care of the lives of the gang members, they are human beings. ".

He has also sometimes appeared not to take the violence issue seriously. In June 2023, he said of one drug gang that had abducted 14 police officers: "I'm going to tell on you to your fathers and grandfathers," suggesting they should get a good spanking.

Asked about those comments at the time, residents of one town in the western Mexico state of Michoacáand who have lived under drug cartel control for years reacted with disgust and disbelief.

"he is making fun of us," said one restaurant owner, who asked to remain anonymous because he — like almost everyone else in town — has long been forced to pay protection money to the local cartel.

López Obrador has also made a point of visiting the township of Badiraguato in Sinaloa state at least a half dozen times, and pledging to do so again before he leaves office in September.

It's also a stance related to prickly nationalism and independence. Asked in November why he has visited the sparsely populated rural township so many times, López Obrador quoted a line from a defiant old drinking song, "because I want to. "

The president has also imposed strict limits on USA Agents operating in Mexico, and limited how much contact Mexican law enforcement can have with them.

[Hargow20]

I have noticed yesterday that they put up some new lights in the old shoppinglll by the pedestrian bridge. Not sure how long they have been there. But I am glad there is more lights there. Also noticed that some new video cams. The question is how often the police monitor the video cams. My impression is that video cams are not actively monitored by LE. There is video cam's on Roosevelt st in National city and on El Cajon blvd. The girls in NC ignore the video cam's for the most part.