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  1. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokey
    Almost all SGs require that you pay them upfront, I'd say 90% of them will ask for the money first, you have no choice but to pay them.
    Not to sound like a dick, but I don't agree. You always have a choice. I tend to prefer the club girls, but have had lots of great times with SGs. I have never paid up front. I've been asked several times. I'm polite, but firm. PagO cuando terminamos. They sometimes grouse a bit, but I've never had to pull the plug. I suspect if they allow you to walk, they wouldn't have been any good, anyway.

    But you're right about paying something. Maybe not the $40, but I think stiffing them completely might get you some unwanted attention. (But, fortunately, I don't have any experience in THAT regard.) :-)

    PP

  2. #165
    Jurassic wrote: Do you guys think that was the right thing to do? Or would you have refused to pay, or only paid her $20 instead of the $40 she got?

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    Yes you did the right thing by paying her. You did an SG ( street girl) not a bargirl, SGs are sometimes known to give bad service. Almost all SGs require that you pay them upfront, I'd say 90% of them will ask for the money first, you have no choice but to pay them. But it's usually only $20 or $30 dollars not a great lost. With bar girls most will settle for payment after, or pay on the dresser, AB chicas are worst and many of them will demand money up front. And yes it's best to pay afterwards whenever possible.

    Since you still fucked her, even if it was a bad fuck with her cock blocking you. Since you put your dick in her, you have to pay her. If you don't she could have called the cops and told them you robbed her, by not paying her. The cops wouldn't have cared about your story, but rather only care about getting a bribe from you for promising not to take you to see the judge and then jail.

    Another thing many girls don't like you using your own condom. There are a few idiots out there that put holes in them, and these girls heard the stories about them, and they trust Mexican condoms, like you trust American condoms, and just feel better using what she is use to.

  3. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Country John
    Agreed. Never pay for shit service. Even the dumbest girls understand that one and THAT is why you NEVER put the money in their hand upfront. Never.

    But there is a first time for everything and a learning experience to go along with it.

    Next time you'll know better.

    First you lose your innocence, then you lose your ignorance. All in good time.

    Country John
    I agree, CJ. Even long-time veterans have been burned at least once in the hobby, and almost everything I know was learned the hard way (fortunately, I'm a fast learner, lol). If I'd known about the WSG back in the day I could have saved myself some of those "learning experiences", but taking one for the team will probably always be part of "learning the ropes" in the hobby.

  4. #163
    The last time at HK I was at a table with Betsy when a waiter asks if I want to check out THE VIP room. It is the large room above the dance floor where you can be with your special friend and watch the show at the same time. I asked "How Much? " but before he could answer he was gone. Two minutes later he returns with a big bucket of beers and says 77. I protested because, if he had told me the price ahead of time, I would have declined. "OK, how about 42? " What? I politely told him no.

    I finally offered to buy him a tequila if he just got me a regular table on the third level. He agreed and I was no longer in a spot.

    Buy the way, when Betsy and I went upstairs I had forgotten to negotiate oral. She wanted an extra 20. We had already agreed on 70. Even without the oral Betsy is worth every penny and I will be looking for her the next time I visit. Next time I will be a smarter negotiater, however.

  5. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Ninguno Especial
    She didn't deserve a dime but $40 at 15 min. is $80 per half hour. More than most bar chicas giving half way GFE is worth.
    Agreed. Never pay for shit service. Even the dumbest girls understand that one and THAT is why you NEVER put the money in their hand upfront. Never.

    But there is a first time for everything and a learning experience to go along with it.

    Next time you'll know better.

    First you lose your innocence, then you lose your ignorance. All in good time.

    Country John

  6. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Jurassic
    Part two HK:

    Do you guys think that was the right thing to do? Or would you have refused to pay, or only paid her $20 instead of the $40 she got?
    She didn't deserve a dime but $40 at 15 min. is $80 per half hour. More than most bar chicas giving half way GFE is worth.

  7. #160

    5 Chicas 2nd visit to TJ (Part two HK)

    Part two HK:

    Returning to HK Surfnk9 was nowhere to be found (he was doing his chica ;-)
    I hovered around watching the girls. Still feeling weird from the Levitra.
    (I had hoped that banging that spinner girl, would calm me down, but I felt no less energized after launching my first load.)

    I went outside to size up the Street Girls and realized how hungry I was. With my jumpy stomach I didn't want to attempt a greasy taco, but eventually I noticed a hot dog stand operated by an old lady and her young son. I barely kept the hot dog down and was wishing we had rented a room already to stash my back pack and jacket, as I was overheating. An hour had gone by and no signs of my friend. So I decided I should have my first street girl experience. After awhile it occurred to me how similar they all are in appearance, especially with the uniformity in dress style. Almost all the same body type, petite with 6 inch heals, nice legs and butts, decent faces, smaller breasts.

    So that's the dilemma; which girl to pick, when practically all of them look super cute in that high school girl way? I walked up to Maria from Veracruz who was wearing a black mini and black top with her black hair. She was to the left of HK 6 feet from the door if you were entering. She immediately asked if I wanted, "sucky fucky for twenty?" I asked if she spoke English and she said no, but we negotiated my basic desire for. "no ropas, no rapido, multi position." for $40.

    We walked up to hotel Cascades and got a room for $5 plus two towels $2.
    Once we got to the room it quickly became apparent I was in for a bad time. I put the money on the counter by her purse and washed my hands in the sink. She proceeded to grab wads of toilet paper tearing them into a dozen or more sheets. She took off her top and skirt, leaving on the panties. Her tits were barely A cups. She applied a short thick condom and spend 5 minutes or more wiping it with the stupid toilet paper several pieces. I told her I had just showered, she didn't understand or pretended not to. She kept cleaning me with different pieces, in an obsessive compulsive manner. Incredulously, I finally started to urge her to get on with the bj. She sucked a bit, still fidgeting with the condom which was only halfway down my shaft. I barely felt any pleasure. She pulled off her panties and laid back on the bed. I mounted her Mish and she kept her damn hand at the base of my cock the whole time and wouldn't let go, I couldn't thrust inside her more than 2 inches and she wouldn't even let me touch the condom to adjust it earlier!! After a few minutes of worthless intercourse, I pulled out and said, "let me put on this (magnum) condom that I had brought." She acted confused and wouldn't let me take the original shitty condom off.
    She wanted me to DOUBLE BAG IT! Put my comfortable condom over her half assed shitty one. That was it, I declared that we are done, no more fucking. She says to me sarcastically, "are you going to call the policia?" and insisted I had to pay her anyway. Well I did pay her what we agreed upon, even though it was the worst sexual experience of my life. I figured it was easier to write off the loss than risk her saying something to the mop boys and possibly end up having to talk to a policia officer as I left.

    Do you guys think that was the right thing to do? Or would you have refused to pay, or only paid her $20 instead of the $40 she got?

    I did tell her she was "no bueno and tu malo." She was such a germaphobe.

    I let her leave first and left a few minutes later, the floor covered in T.P. and left a buck for the mop boy.

    Totally burned and disappointed by my first attempt with a S.G. I"m reluctant to try that again. Especially since I don't know much Spanish.

    Back to HK and still no sign of my friend, 90 minutes have passed. On the 2nd floor I see an American and his face lights up and he realizes he knows me from Santa Barbara! It was Asiangreeklover and we had a 3 some with a girl he works with at my house. I didn't remember him at first and was playing along, searching my memory. We had only met that one time, via the U.S.A. Sex Guide.

    We decided to check out Adelita and there were many super hottie implant girls. After one drink, I decided I needed to return to HK to find my buddy.
    Finally he was there and I told him I needed to eat. So we got a cab and left La Zona for a restaurant away from the hustle.

    We ate at an outdoor restaurant after a short cab ride. I had a beef taco I couldn't eat, the meat was too hard to chew. So he ordered a side of rice and beans for me.

    Upon our return we decided to rent a room with 2 full sized beds for $45 on the sixth floor of hotel Cascades. It turns out his Hk gfe rents a room up there with another working girl. I decided to lie down and rest for 40 minutes. So they left. I bounced the Tv and found one English speaking channel and 2 porno channels. I noticed that my heart was racing like I was all adrenalized, and was not liking the side effects from the Levitra.

    I left a message on surfnk9s cell saying I wanted to go to a pharmacia and get a Valium to calm myself down. I could tell I wouldn't be able to sleep that night. My head buzzing.

    10 p.m. and I reminded myself to be a warrior and ignore the weird medical side effects, I had travelled a long way for the Chicas.

    I decided to go to Adelita for some drinks and more girls.

    For more See: 5 Chicas 2nd visit to TJ (part three Adelita)

    EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

  8. #159

    5 Chicas 2nd visit to TJ (part one HK,) part three Adelita)

    many thanks to [surfnk9] for introducing me to la zona norte, tijuana.

    he was a great host my first visit in august. this time he cut me loose and i was on my own during my mongering forays. we met up for meals and tales.

    we decided to bring back packs with a change of clothes and consider renting a room for the night, since it is a 4 and 1/2 hour drive minimum with no traffic. we live in santa barbara and my first visit we left the border at midnight after a thorough shake down search by 2 policia (we were the only gringos around at that moment on a wednesday, and no they didn't get any of our money, thanks to having read up on this board! ). we got home groggy at 4:30 a. m.

    surfnk9 and i parked in san diego, near the toll booth, after getting the guy to give up a v. i. p. spot for the mercedes, explaining that he had a honda stolen from a lot on a prior visit. he tipped the guy $5.

    jack in the box was under reconstruction and looked closed. but we didn't need the restroom.

    first thing across the border was a quick visit to the pharmacia for some levitra, 20 mg for $10, and this was not generic, made by bayer. i decided to partake out of curiosity. i had never tried any viagra or cialis before either. i'm 40 y. o. and have been taking dhea o. t. see supplements after reading how this naturally occuring hormone declines in men after age 30. it converts to testosterone, and i have notice my libido has picked up and my overall energy levels since i began 9 months ago.

    we saved our levitra until after our luxuriant visit to the viva mex spa on revolucion. $25 for a 45 minute, thorough legit massage, with no extras. my girl had a sweet demeanor and was a 6 or 7. would look cute if she got dolled up, but that's not the point here. i gave her a lot of encouragement during the massage with my limited spanish, "muchos gracias and te gustas. si etc. " also "la musica muy bonita. " it really was a great sound track, kind of new age with marimbas and beats, and good quality sound.

    when i went to the shower i took a gamble and decided to trust her not to ransack my shoes, my pants, and wallet and steal from the $450 cash i had with me. my gut instinct was it would be o. k. last time i did take my clothes with me to the shower to be safe, which feels a bit awkward since it conveys a lack of trust to the masseuse. after a long hot soak in the shower, i returned to the room and confirmed that all of my money was intact as i had divided it in hundreds between each shoe and pocket. i pried open the levitra and swallowed it on an empty stomach. surfnk9 and i each tipped our girls $10 and left very contented.

    with a little twilight left after the sun had set. we decided to walk to la zona. politely declining the solicitaitons from the storefront barkers. we immediately headed to hong kong for a cerveza. ah the street girls were out in full force, looking cute and sexy, those creamy thighs and short skirts, "ch ch ch" smiling at a few, we walked into hk and sat in a booth with a girl in a bikini dancing a 2 feet away. it was happy hour and we got 4 beers for $7. 50 settling in we didn't fondle our dancer much, but gave her some dollars. she had a great ass and legs, but was small chested and her face was a little off.

    suddenly the levitra hit me fast and hard. i felt my whole forehead go flush, felt tingly like pins and needles when a foot falls asleep and wakes up. i felt the myriad capillaries in my brain dilate and felt really stoned.

    my vision was also effected, a bit like they portray acid trips in film.

    so my foreheads vibrating and i'm feeling nervous and i'm telling myself affirmations that i'll be fine, this will subside soon and i'll have a great time.

    a couple girls approach us for tips and i get a really firm hard on instantly, without being touched, which is the supernatural effect and point of the drug. for a moment i wonder if it will subside and soften up. after a few minutes with the girls further away, it relaxes and softens again. that was a relief because i still feel like i'm buzzing hard on a weird pharmaceutical high.

    we decided to go upstairs to the 2nd floor, and my legs even feel weird, weak and wobbley. at this point we only had a beer and a half. it wasn't the alcohol. surfnk9 spots a girl he had a gfe / pse the previous time. he had even called her to tell her he was coming. so he went downstairs to intercept her.

    i had my eye on a super cute petite brunette with shoulder length hair that looked a bit asian to me. she was small chested but had a great ass and legs, pretty face. she was dancing where the lesbo show occurs later.

    i pulled up a stool and tried to engage her but she basically ignored me for some reason. soon two other girls joined her on stage. a friendly hot blonde petite spinner girl with boobs approached me smiling back at me.

    she asked me if i wanted to fool around in the v. i. p. for $20. i told her i wanted to get a room and fuck her. she laughed in agreement. we were approached by a waiter trying to hustle the v. i. p. and beer bucket, "why don't you want to go to the v. i. p? " i told him, "because i want to take her to a room. " he understood and left us alone.

    she and i started to leave after minimal basic negotiation: "no rapido, no ropas, multiple positions. " remembering my host, i told her to wait at the door so i could tell my buddy what i was doing. i found him and his chica at a booth. we agreed to meet their in 45 minutes to an hour.

    she led me to a room in hotel cascades $13 for 2 towels half hour.

    she was super cute and sexy, and fun, laughing, kidding around.

    locking the door i noticed there was porn on the t. v. i gave her $60 and she asked for $80. i was surprised by that, but didn't let it faze me. i told her if it was really good, i'd give her $10 more at the bar, i needed to make change. she agreed. we quickly got into it and it was great because she was so playful. i put a flavored condom on for the b. j. which she appreciated. then i switched to one of my magnums for the cfs. her breasts were great, nice round grapefruit size which was perfect for her tiny frame. we began mish, and she was moaning immediately, telling me how much she liked it. we switched to doggy with me standing, her on the bed. than she slid forward onto her tummy flat on the bed and i slid in and out nice and deep. i love riding in that position because the pussy gets really snug. after awhile i decided on more mish, so i could lick her nips, fondle her and watch her face. she was loving every minute, no complaints or rushing. i was pounding into her hard and fast and she was groaning much louder than the porn on t. v. for a moment i felt embarrassed that the mop up boys would hear. i was amazed that i could fuck her so hard and fast without feeling like i had to come. remembering how great it felt when she was flat on her tummy i had her switch once more and finished deep inside her. afterwards i was so hot and sweaty, my heart was pounding and i collapsed on the bed to recover while she showered.

    i took a moment and found a $10 bill in my wallet which i rewarded her with after her shower. she thanked me enthusiastically, then left, i locked the door and rested 5 more minutes before showering, dressing and leaving. there were no knocks on the door and i looked at my watch after she left and to my surprise our "lengthy session" had only lasted 20 minutes including her shower! my sense of time was all distorted by the levitra. i was happy for her gfe like enthusiasm, although there was no fingering, kissing or bbbj. i left a buck tip for the cleanup guy.

    for more see: 5 chicas 2nd visit to tj (part two hk)

    editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here for more information.

  9. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreams
    During my lst visit, last May, I went to HK during the afternoon and got up to the hotel nearby twice with 2 different ladies for $ 30 each time... Not the stunners, neither the younger, but excellent service for such a ridiculous price.
    It's funny but the next day, makeup romoved, skimpy clothes traded for street clothes etc., you probably would not be able to pick these girls out of a line-up.

    When the lights go down and the clothes come off, they all feel the same except for the more experienced girls who happen to be a bit older.

    The "stunners" look great on the floor but unfortunately have a reputation for bad service and THAT is what you are paying for. You can look at them all day for free.

    $30.00 for full service is an excellent deal if her looks don't turn you off.

    Country John

  10. #157

    You can get a girl for 30 $ at HK...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokey
    Hong Kong can be expensive, but you don't have to buy anybody a bucket of beer not even yourself. The beer cost is about the same as the other top tier places in the zona.

    I would recommend never taking a chica upstairs to fuck in those VIP rooms, and buying her a bucket. Instead buy her one or two beers for $7 dollars and then take her to the hotel only. Most of the chicas at night do ask for $80 dollars and that's more than AB, but most of them will settle for $60 dollars. Now some chicas here ask for $100 dollars, and I usually laugh at them and tell them TJ isn't Cancan and other girls only charge $60 dollars and they usually come around at least to $80 dollars.

    But again don't take them upstairs to those little room, buying them an expensive bucket of beers, unless you really want to, the hotel is the better deal $30 min between $60 and $80 dollars.

    Hong Kong is one of my favorite bars because I enjoy the music and watching the girls dance on stage. But some of these girls have issues and some don't want to go upstairs, so find that out early, and if they insist they only go to the VIP room tell them good bye and pick somebody else as there are plenty of hot girls here more then willing to go to the hotel with you.
    During my lst visit, last May, I went to HK during the afternoon and got up to the hotel nearby twice with 2 different ladies for $ 30 each time... Not the stunners, neither the younger, but excellent service for such a ridiculous price.

  11. #156

    Hong Kong value

    In the multiple years and trips I've made to TJ, other than a quickie with one of the street girls, HK is by far the best vlaue in town. It has always and will continue to be a better "buyer's market" than AB or CC or any other shop in town.

    I never have felt a need to buy a bucket of beer and have always found more than enough providers to satisfy my needs. My "mantra" has always been to treat the ladies with respect and you will recieve good if not great service.

    I have paid anywhere from $40 to a high of $60 to be escorted to the hotel next door and 95% of the time I have gotten a good value for my price.

    As far as the upstair booths, in my earlier days at HK, I too sampled the booths and the services provided, but have put those trips aside for two major reasons - Reason One: it is a much better value to pay the extra $10 or $20 + the cost of the room and have the lady for a longer period of time and with more room to play and Reason Two: one of my favorite ladies has informed me that for every $30 three song sets, the bar collect HALF of that amount for their cut - I'm sorry but I value their services a great deal more than that.

    I'll be heading back down to HK this week for another mid-day party ... happy mongering.

  12. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokey
    Hong Kong can be expensive, but you don't have to buy anybody a bucket of beer not even yourself. The beer cost is about the same as the other top tier places in the zona.

    I would recommend never taking a chica upstairs to fuck in those VIP rooms, and buying her a bucket. Instead buy her one or two beers for $7 dollars and then take her to the hotel only. Most of the chicas at night do ask for $80 dollars and that's more than AB, but most of them will settle for $60 dollars. Now some chicas here ask for $100 dollars, and I usually laugh at them and tell them TJ isn't Cancan and other girls only charge $60 dollars and they usually come around at least to $80 dollars.

    But again don't take them upstairs to those little room, buying them an expensive bucket of beers, unless you really want to, the hotel is the better deal $30 min between $60 and $80 dollars.

    Hong Kong is one of my favorite bars because I enjoy the music and watching the girls dance on stage. But some of these girls have issues and some don't want to go upstairs, so find that out early, and if they insist they only go to the VIP room tell them good bye and pick somebody else as there are plenty of hot girls here more then willing to go to the hotel with you.

    Maybe I am just lucky because I have had good experience in the 3rd level rooms("upstairs"- "VIP rooms"). I guess it depends on the girl you take and agree on service and FULL price before you go. 2 weeks ago, I took a girl to the 3 level room for $20, she agreed to BBBJ and condom sex for $20 for 15 minutes--good deal for me.

    30 minutes before we went to the room, I was at the table she was dancing on and felt her pussy 3 different times at $1 tip each (once she let me put my finger in her pussy). After that, we talked price and service.

    5 weeks ago, there was an older lady working the club. She put her tits in my face for $1 and offered a BBBJ and cum in her mouth for $20. We never talked about sex. I agreed and went to the 3rd level with her. She gave me a great-wonderful BBBJ and I came in her mouth. She kept her mouth on my dick until I finished. Then, she used a towel. She had taken her top off and I felt on her tits and touched her pussy while she gave me the BBBJ.

    As I said, I only tried the 3rd level twice, but both times I was very happy. There was never any mention of buying a bucket of beers when I took the girls to the 3rd level. The girls at HK club are happy to be your friend and treat you nice--if you also treat them nice.

    Also, I hate clubs with a ton of guys, therefore, I go to the HK club around 11:30 am and leave by 6:00 p.m. I am in and out of the club during the time I am in Zona looking for young, new, sweet, small body street girls with tight pussies. On my last trip, I found a new young street girl that was great and I have been thinking about her all week--therefore, it is my duty to go this weekend and help her pay the rent!

  13. #154

    Yes and No

    Quote Originally Posted by HornyTraveler
    I monger the zona frequent but never went into HK, because someone told me is the most expensive bar in the zona, something like $35 beer bucket and $75-$100 for a quicky private upstairs, I figured is just too much money for a body rub and a CBJ.
    I don't care for a bucket of beer, don't drink much, maybe 2 or 3 the most in a hot day. I'm just the bar's worse nightmare they can't make money on me with the beer.
    I've been told that HK is more expensive than AB, but is a good place to finger the girls for a buck but that's about it, going up to the privates is where gets pricey, is this info correct?

    HK is my favorite of the Big Three. You don't have to buy a bucket for $42, though the waiters try to pressure you into it. Your beer and ficha drink for the girls is the going rate. In fact they have a happy hour of two for one beers in the afternoon. The cost of taking a girl to Hotel Cascadas next door is dependent on the deal you strike with the girl. The hotel is the standard $12 for ½ hour, plus they run porno on the TV sets in the room. The private lap dances and private rooms upstairs are optional, and again the guys try to hard sell you. The waiters are aggressive and pushy. As much as I’d like to tell them to fuck off, I politely say no and get the girl a ficha if I think something good will come of it. Also be sure to check their number when you give then money for your drink. They can leave and not return with your change. Your only recourse to be sure who took your money from you.
    The bar is more like a US strip bar; loud pounding music with the girls dancing on the stage and on the bar. Starting at about 8:00pm they have a lesbo show which is novel, and it is repeated at 11 and 1am, or there abouts.
    One way the gals make money is to walk around and allow you to feel them up for a buck a shot. It’s a nice way to sample the goods and to entice you. The quality of girls varies and there are some stunners but overall they aren’t as good as AB and CC.
    However, I have found that they girls at HK deliver more of a GFE than the others if you establish a rapport with them. Talk to them, ask them about their home and family, and show some interest in them. Show some respect and demonstrate that you consider them more than a piece of meat to stick your dick in, and more often than not you’ll get more than your moneys worth. Sure the place might not be wall-to-wall 9’s or 10’s, but hotties are there. Try it out and have fun.

  14. #153
    Hong Kong can be expensive, but you don't have to buy anybody a bucket of beer not even yourself. The beer cost is about the same as the other top tier places in the zona.

    I would recommend never taking a chica upstairs to fuck in those VIP rooms, and buying her a bucket. Instead buy her one or two beers for $7 dollars and then take her to the hotel only. Most of the chicas at night do ask for $80 dollars and that's more than AB, but most of them will settle for $60 dollars. Now some chicas here ask for $100 dollars, and I usually laugh at them and tell them TJ isn't Cancan and other girls only charge $60 dollars and they usually come around at least to $80 dollars.

    But again don't take them upstairs to those little room, buying them an expensive bucket of beers, unless you really want to, the hotel is the better deal $30 min between $60 and $80 dollars.

    Hong Kong is one of my favorite bars because I enjoy the music and watching the girls dance on stage. But some of these girls have issues and some don't want to go upstairs, so find that out early, and if they insist they only go to the VIP room tell them good bye and pick somebody else as there are plenty of hot girls here more then willing to go to the hotel with you.

  15. #152

    Pricey?

    I monger the zona frequent but never went into HK, because someone told me is the most expensive bar in the zona, something like $35 beer bucket and $75-$100 for a quicky private upstairs, I figured is just too much money for a body rub and a CBJ.
    I don't care for a bucket of beer, don't drink much, maybe 2 or 3 the most in a hot day. I'm just the bar's worse nightmare they can't make money on me with the beer.
    I've been told that HK is more expensive than AB, but is a good place to finger the girls for a buck but that's about it, going up to the privates is where gets pricey, is this info correct?

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