Hong Kong Club Reports

[Delgadino]

The ugly, older men are buying $9 drinks for the scantily clad women.

Raise your hand if you have further questions.

Sure, but if the girl doesn't like you, they can just drink the drink really fast and leave. This has happened to me before.

[ScatManDoo]

It's also probably not about looks either because I see plenty of not conventionally attractive older dudes seeming to get along fine with the girls. So it must be something they are saying and doing. Can anyone else here shed some light on this mystery? What have you guys specifically said or done to create chemistry with the girls?

The ugly, older men are buying $9 drinks for the scantily clad women.

Raise your hand if you have further questions.

[Delgadino]

I think you're overthinking this. But, first and foremost, you have to work on you. Spanish is mandatory if you're going to hang with a chica for any amount of time. You don't have to be fluent, but sitting at a table having a staring contest, or futzing with Google Translate all night, is nobody's idea of fun. Also, you have to present yourself as the "relaxed, party vibe" kind of guy. This only comes from experience. The more you travel, the more bars in the zona you visit, etc. , etc. , the more experience you have and that translates into more confidence. The party starts with you.

Next, the girls. That's the easy part. There is no magic word or phrase that turns them from stand-offish to get-down-with-yo-bad-self. The girl has no idea what you want to happen. It's up to you to initiate. It's up to you to make them feel comfortable. How? That's easy. They are women, and they are Mexicanas. You don't talk about their work, as to most Mexicans work is simply a means to an end. You start talking about their kids. Their family. Are the kids in school? Where? Who cares for them? Essentially, you do NOT talk about you (yes, you're the one paying but you're after more than a quick screw). You make THEM the center of your attention and you talk about what THEY like to talk about. You talk about their city. If you've traveled (and you really need to) you can compare notes. Oh, Morelia? I've been to Uruapan, which is close. How do the two compare? With a bit of Spanish, a bit of imagination, and a bit of patience, anybody can chat with a BG for at least an hour.

First of all, thanks a lot for this detailed and thoughtful response. What you said here really reminds me of a realization I had come to based on an interaction I had with a BG who actually spoke really stellar English. The conversation I had with that girl was an utter train wreck despite there being no language barrier. I had a lot of obvious mistakes that I won't get into, but one major thing that your response reminded me of was that I failed to take the lead in the interaction. A part of it is that I didn't know the right way to initiate certain things, like touching or kissing or lap dances, but even from a basic conversation standpoint, I wasn't consciously leading the conversation towards topics that she was interested in talking about or topics that could transition into sexual tension. She even told me straight out, "I don't know what you want to happen."

It reminded me that having a good interaction with BGs is basically the same as having a good interaction with any girl anywhere. You basically need to go through the whole cycle of approach, comfort, seduction, and close as if you were trying to pick up a civilian girl, except in an accelerated fashion. Even if you can have guaranteed sex with a BG, my experience has shown to me that playing that card before having a good interaction usually leads to bad sessions. I'll definitely try asking about their family, home town, and travels next time.

Concerning the fun and dancing at the table, that tends to vary by girl. Some are really into the party vibe and, for a few drinks, will have fun. Some are more tranquil and prefer the "soft sell. " You can encourage the party behavior by chatting them up, buying a ficha, or two, and saying "ven aca. " Come here. If she doesn't get the hint, revert to Plan be or cut your losses and move on. But, generally speaking, most who work in these places don't mind a bit of bump and grind. But your body language has to show that you are open to it. Sitting with a deer-in-the-headlights expression, body stiff as a board, sour look on your face, whatever, signals that you're not receptive.

There are loads of other bars. The ones you named, and others. If you're looking to improve your Spanish and carry on a conversation, I recommend a quieter place. I find it tough to converse in the raucous atmosphere of HK on a weekend. A "dead" bar is excellent hunting grounds. Unless you absolutely have to have a rowdy atmosphere. But if you're trying to learn the ropes, and learn Spanish, the rowdy places are not conducive to such. Start with a "dead" Chicago and work your way up..

Yes, all great points. I'll definitely watch my body language and try asking them 'ven aca' next time. For some reason I expected all of them to have a party vibe due to some kind of training, but now that you mention it, it does also make a lot of sense that it is a discretionary thing that depends on the individual girl. I agree that it's a better call to go to quieter bars or maybe HK on a slow day at a slow time. Girls seem more in a rush during the weekend at HK.

[MoreyKid]

Sounds like Elvira. She didn't rock my world either. We made out a bunch downstairs but she's not great at screwing IMO. She's got a tranny BF, BTW.

Saw her on stage night 1 doing the shaving cream show and riding the double dildo with her friend. When I offered her a dollar she grabbed my hand and pushed it between her legs. Dollar two and my fingers were inside of her. Dollar three and she guided me to her ass. Then she smiled and said I was a trouble maker. And she liked trouble makers. I asked if she liked girls or boys and she said yes with a wicked smile. We chatted a bit more as she slid around the stage (she wasn't letting anyone else put their hands on her pussy) and that was that. She left to go get cleaned up and either someone else took her upstairs or she took a break. Not sure. Anyway, she stuck with me because I've never had one of the girls give me that kind of freaky attention.

The next night I was sitting in the cocktail bar and she danced but I was already enjoying another girl on my lap. That girl didn't speak any English and although she was a stunner, I was annoyed using Google translate. When her drinks ran out I told her to beat it and asked the mesero to bring me the green haired girl. She showed up and she remembered me from the night before and seemed excited. Sat on my lap and had a drink before she asked me to feel how wet she was. Seemed genuinely turned on (I know. She's good at her job.) Anyway, had a few drinks with her and was letting her throw money at her friends on stage (she was telling me which ones were cool and which ones were bitches.) Had a really fun time and then took her upstairs and she took really good care of me. I used my phone to turn on some music and it seemed to turn her on because she was making requests. Made me grab her by the hair when I bent her over and was good and loud for me. Plus, I think her body and outfits are crazy hot. She couldn't handle all of me in her mouth but A for effort. I was drunk / tired after we finished and she laid with me and we listened to a bit of music and talked about Tijuana.

I'm realistic and know what it was and what it wasn't but she's one of the better ones and even though I won't probably take her upstairs again (not so interested in repeats) I'll definitely buy her drinks and enjoy her company if our paths cross again.

[Dogers69]

Hk puts yellow wrist bands on civie girls so meseros won't pushing expensive ficha drinks on them. Most party in the club, watch strip shows with their BFs or lesbian partners. But last couple weeks I ran into a few unattached girls who acted unusual.

Sunday night 3 girls were sitting quietly in a booth in the corner watching the strip show. One was above average, the rest plain and chunky. They sat quietly not talking to anyone. Later they decided to leave. Outside they were shepherded into an UBER by a big, black guy, acting like their business manager or pimp. I was pretty sure the guy was trying to pimp them out in HK but competition was stiff and they could not make inroad.

2 young blondes in shorts and Ts, one very attractive, one homely, asked me for cigarettes. She said she's 19 from Huntington Beach. I asked her if she wanted to find a table to sit down; she nodded. But then she separated from me and started flirting with other guys. She was running from one group of guys to the next, flirting wildly. Her friend sat quietly at a table with some guys but they would not buy her drinks. Eventually they disappeared out of the club. I should have accosted her aggressively, offered her drinks, food and taken her to the hotel. I missed out on a very good opportunity with this girl.

Civie girls in HK Very bad idea. For several reasons. #1-HK doesn't really want them in the bar. I've watched them not allow woman in, who weren't with a guy. Majority are with their boyfriend or husband, and stopping in after dancing at revolution clubs. Hk is watching everything you do. They see you talking to a civie girl, buying her four dollar beers, maybe sex for free, it's exactly what HK does not want. Unless your never returning to HK I wouldn't want that problema. #2-you may get a girl who's boyfriend is going to the bathroom or arriving in a few minutes. He sees you talking to his fiance on a brothel like she's a working girl. You don't want that problema. #3- from experience, I've had " regular" girls encounter me, in the street outside numerous times. ALL either led to violence with the men she worked for, or, attempted violence when she tried to show me her hotel room but the dude was still in the room. That for sure was a planned robbery.

[Dogers69]

After several sessions at HK, some bad, some so-so, and one great one, I am still in search of a somewhat reliable way to suss out whether the session will be good before going upstairs. I've read the forum a bit, and have tried buying the girl a drink and gauging the vibe, but somehow, I feel like I might be doing something wrong.

All my bad sessions had something in common: while I am sitting with the girl, her drink in front of her, the vibe just doesn't feel right. Sometimes they are very transactional, where they seem to pressure you to go up as fast as possible. Other times, it feels like the vibe is flat, like you're basically talking about the weather and boring small talk. The transactional ones I just dismiss, an easy filter. However, in the flat vibe case, I can't help but feel that I might be partially at fault in creating that situation. Maybe there is something I could do better in creating a more sexually charged vibe that would translate into a good session?

The one time I had a good session, I remember the vibe downstairs was incredibly sexual, but I admittedly did little to create this; the girl just got into it without me really prompting it. While seated at a table, she started giving me a lap dance and pulling my hands onto her body. I could really feel like we were developing chemistry. So when we went upstairs, I would find it to be the best session I had ever had at HK..

Very easy bro. You traveled thousands miles (maybe) to bang chicks. Don't buy her a drink instantly. Wait for a girl that talks to you for a minute for free. Buy that girl a drink. Then you tell her how sexy she is while running your hands all over her otherwise she thinks your gay or not attracted to her. Then you tell her how pretty she is and look at her and see if she will kiss you. If that does not go well don't go for sex. The problem is a lot guys don't have time to say no. So I get it.

[TunaSlayer]

Response to captain.

Most of my interactions with civie girls have not been too good but I do see them in there once in a awhile. It appears to me that they are working girls but the competition in HK is stiff. They always look overwhelmed. I was chatting up with a civie girl by the bar in the back, bought her couple drinks but I wasn't feeling the vibe. Made eye contact with a blonde w / Phat ass in a g string and she came over and was giving me a lap dance right in front of the other chick. Ditched the plain clothes girl for the big bootie. Later on sitting at a table, the civie girl and her friend walk by and dropped a drink on my girl. Maybe it was a mistake but I've seen this happen more than once. Maybe it was my fault the way I handled it but now if she ain't half naked I ain't talking to her. Similar situation happened back in March over a table. But if anyone else has a good experience with civie girls in HK please share.

[Phordphan]

Yes, this is good advice. I should definitely brush up on my Spanish more.

I think this is spot on. I definitely have a "mission" mindset. However, I think what you touched on is the essence of my question, which is 'what specific things would you say or do in the relaxed party vibe?' I think I just have a lot of trouble creating this relaxed party vibe. Do you have any examples of what topics you'd talk about? Or an example of a joke you'd tell them? I just want to get a sense for the specific behaviors you'd need to have in order to exhibit this vibe.

I am intrigued. What other places would you recommend? I saw Adelita, Tropical, and Chicago. Adelita seemed pretty good on Friday, but I didn't end up trying anything. Tropical and Chicago both seemed incredibly dead.

I think you're overthinking this. But, first and foremost, you have to work on you. Spanish is mandatory if you're going to hang with a chica for any amount of time. You don't have to be fluent, but sitting at a table having a staring contest, or futzing with Google Translate all night, is nobody's idea of fun. Also, you have to present yourself as the "relaxed, party vibe" kind of guy. This only comes from experience. The more you travel, the more bars in the zona you visit, etc. , etc. , the more experience you have and that translates into more confidence. The party starts with you.

Next, the girls. That's the easy part. There is no magic word or phrase that turns them from stand-offish to get-down-with-yo-bad-self. The girl has no idea what you want to happen. It's up to you to initiate. It's up to you to make them feel comfortable. How? That's easy. They are women, and they are Mexicanas. You don't talk about their work, as to most Mexicans work is simply a means to an end. You start talking about their kids. Their family. Are the kids in school? Where? Who cares for them? Essentially, you do NOT talk about you (yes, you're the one paying but you're after more than a quick screw). You make THEM the center of your attention and you talk about what THEY like to talk about. You talk about their city. If you've traveled (and you really need to) you can compare notes. Oh, Morelia? I've been to Uruapan, which is close. How do the two compare? With a bit of Spanish, a bit of imagination, and a bit of patience, anybody can chat with a BG for at least an hour. You will learn all sorts of things, some you wish you didn't know. Let me give one caveat. If you want to have a conversation with one, you need to choose one with something to talk about. Everybody wants to screw a 19 why / o hottie. Unfortunately, a 19 why / o hottie has absolutely nothing of any value to say. You'll need to choose the "older" ones, say 25 and up. Assuming that you are not 19 yourself.

Concerning the fun and dancing at the table, that tends to vary by girl. Some are really into the party vibe and, for a few drinks, will have fun. Some are more tranquil and prefer the "soft sell. " You can encourage the party behavior by chatting them up, buying a ficha, or two, and saying "ven aca. " Come here. If she doesn't get the hint, revert to Plan be or cut your losses and move on. But, generally speaking, most who work in these places don't mind a bit of bump and grind. But your body language has to show that you are open to it. Sitting with a deer-in-the-headlights expression, body stiff as a board, sour look on your face, whatever, signals that you're not receptive.

There are loads of other bars. The ones you named, and others. If you're looking to improve your Spanish and carry on a conversation, I recommend a quieter place. I find it tough to converse in the raucous atmosphere of HK on a weekend. A "dead" bar is excellent hunting grounds. Unless you absolutely have to have a rowdy atmosphere. But if you're trying to learn the ropes, and learn Spanish, the rowdy places are not conducive to such. Start with a "dead" Chicago and work your way up.

To finish up, I'll give two random personal illustrations. I used to frequent the Thai beer bars, as I prefer the vibe to the go-go joints. I know the girls love to dance, but tend to hate a lot of Western music that the old farts like to listen to. So, I mixed up a CD with some Reggaeton, English-language dance music, and Thai Pop. Then I would choose a place. Typically they are playing some mix of 70's Pop, or elevator music, or some nonsense. I'm just another farang. I'd sit down, order a beer, and after a bit ask the bartender to try my CD. If they hated it, no harm, no hurt feelings. Just toss it. Well, they never tossed it. After blasting out some Flo-Rida, or Daddy Yankee, or Thongchai, the party well and truly started. Suddenly the random farang is a party guy after all.

The other was in a bar in Tijuana, outside the Zona. I was waiting for a friend to finish an appointment and had some time to kill. I sat at the bar and, eventually, was hesitantly approached by a curvy young lady. I replied in Spanish, she suddenly felt totally relieved, and told me so. She was so hesitant to approach an obvious gringo because her English was extremely limited, and everybody knows that gringos don't speak Spanish. We had a nice time over a few beers and then I bailed.

My points are that this works. If you're out to have a good time, if you can figure out what the girls like in order to get them to relax, you have much better experiences. You'll get laid at the end, if you choose. Sure, it will cost you more than just waking in and saying "sucky-fucky how much?" But you've gained valuable experience for the next time.

[Asting]

Sounds like Elvira. She didn't rock my world either. We made out a bunch downstairs but she's not great at screwing IMO. She's got a tranny BF, BTW.

Yes, that's her name!

I've seen her BF in HK before.

[Dcrist0527]

I also wonder what guys talk about with the girls, especially the ones who ficha one girl for hours. I mean, you can't really talk about her job ("How many guys did you screw this week? Wow, you must be really tired! How long have you been fucking guys for money?"). You can ask a bit about her history, like where else she has worked and how she likes working in Hong Kong, but it can get really uncomfortable if you are pressing her on her puta work. You can ask about where she is from, but most of them don't really want to talk about their home towns beyond really basic stuff ("Oh, Puerto Vallarta? Es bonita? Hay muchas mariscos aqui. Me gusta comer los mariscos!"). I've tried asking about Tijuana, and where I should go and what I should do, but many of the girls are not from Tijuana and have very limited experience with being a tourist.

I've had the best luck just opening up my phone and sharing photos of my travels and my family. I don't have kids so I talk about my nieces and nephews. The girls are usually interested in America, and they pretend to be interested in me, so we can at least keep the conversation going. Usually they will pull out their phone and share pictures of their family and hometown. So it can be fun, but it drains your phone battery fast!

I have found better results when they talk, not me. Family is very important to most of them and they can talk for hours. And some have some very interesting stories. Many will just feed you BS stories about why they need help but you'll be able to sniff out the BS pretty quickly. I would say that one of three conversations go very well, lead to great arribas and friendships, if you so choose. I have 3 current girls I stay in contact with regularly. And for those cynics, no, I don't send them a dollar.

As I said, 2 of 3 go bad. But, I'm out 15 minutes and a ficha? That's the cost of doing business and keeps me from sinking $70 or $80 into a bad experience.

But the best advice I would give is ask open ended questions. Believe it or not, there are honest girls there. They are certainly the minority. But, I enjoy the search.

[Captain Solo]

Hk puts yellow wrist bands on civie girls so meseros won't pushing expensive ficha drinks on them. Most party in the club, watch strip shows with their BFs or lesbian partners. But last couple weeks I ran into a few unattached girls who acted unusual.

Sunday night 3 girls were sitting quietly in a booth in the corner watching the strip show. One was above average, the rest plain and chunky. They sat quietly not talking to anyone. Later they decided to leave. Outside they were shepherded into an UBER by a big, black guy, acting like their business manager or pimp. I was pretty sure the guy was trying to pimp them out in HK but competition was stiff and they could not make inroad.

2 young blondes in shorts and Ts, one very attractive, one homely, asked me for cigarettes. She said she's 19 from Huntington Beach. I asked her if she wanted to find a table to sit down; she nodded. But then she separated from me and started flirting with other guys. She was running from one group of guys to the next, flirting wildly. Her friend sat quietly at a table with some guys but they would not buy her drinks. Eventually they disappeared out of the club. I should have accosted her aggressively, offered her drinks, food and taken her to the hotel. I missed out on a very good opportunity with this girl.

[Delgadino]

I also wonder what guys talk about with the girls, especially the ones who ficha one girl for hours. I mean, you can't really talk about her job ("How many guys did you screw this week? Wow, you must be really tired! How long have you been fucking guys for money?"). You can ask a bit about her history, like where else she has worked and how she likes working in Hong Kong, but it can get really uncomfortable if you are pressing her on her puta work. You can ask about where she is from, but most of them don't really want to talk about their home towns beyond really basic stuff ("Oh, Puerto Vallarta? Es bonita? Hay muchas mariscos aqui. Me gusta comer los mariscos!"). I've tried asking about Tijuana, and where I should go and what I should do, but many of the girls are not from Tijuana and have very limited experience with being a tourist.

I've had the best luck just opening up my phone and sharing photos of my travels and my family. I don't have kids so I talk about my nieces and nephews. The girls are usually interested in America, and they pretend to be interested in me, so we can at least keep the conversation going. Usually they will pull out their phone and share pictures of their family and hometown. So it can be fun, but it drains your phone battery fast!

Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about. I see girls just sit with guys for a long time, and I'm confused. They must be telling some elaborate jokes or telling stories in Spanish. But c'mon. I am willing to bet that not every gringo with a girl at their table for a long time can speak Spanish that well. There's got to be something they're saying or doing right, probably in English, that I'm not. Also interesting are the ones that get the girls to start kissing them or dancing all up on them.

You can just sit around and watch other guys with girls at their tables and sort of tell which ones seem to have chemistry and which ones don't. I'd say a good majority have chemistry because otherwise the chances of seeing the girl at their table would be low. If there was no chemistry, the girl would probably have left already.

It's also probably not about looks either because I see plenty of not conventionally attractive older dudes seeming to get along fine with the girls. So it must be something they are saying and doing. Can anyone else here shed some light on this mystery? What have you guys specifically said or done to create chemistry with the girls?

[KC Questor]

I think what you touched on is the essence of my question, which is 'what specific things would you say or do in the relaxed party vibe?' I think I just have a lot of trouble creating this relaxed party vibe. Do you have any examples of what topics you'd talk about? Or an example of a joke you'd tell them? I just want to get a sense for the specific behaviors you'd need to have in order to exhibit this vibe.

I also wonder what guys talk about with the girls, especially the ones who ficha one girl for hours. I mean, you can't really talk about her job ("How many guys did you screw this week? Wow, you must be really tired! How long have you been fucking guys for money?"). You can ask a bit about her history, like where else she has worked and how she likes working in Hong Kong, but it can get really uncomfortable if you are pressing her on her puta work. You can ask about where she is from, but most of them don't really want to talk about their home towns beyond really basic stuff ("Oh, Puerto Vallarta? Es bonita? Hay muchas mariscos aqui. Me gusta comer los mariscos!"). I've tried asking about Tijuana, and where I should go and what I should do, but many of the girls are not from Tijuana and have very limited experience with being a tourist.

I've had the best luck just opening up my phone and sharing photos of my travels and my family. I don't have kids so I talk about my nieces and nephews. The girls are usually interested in America, and they pretend to be interested in me, so we can at least keep the conversation going. Usually they will pull out their phone and share pictures of their family and hometown. So it can be fun, but it drains your phone battery fast!

[DramaFree11]

Changes I have made:

1. Take advantage of VIP card.

2. Always Rent a room.

3. I started making relationships with staff and security. I tip, but nothing' over the top.

4. Take girls to Azul.

5. Almost never deal with the waiters, I am nice to them, but most just get in the way.

6. Only deal with the bartenders.

7. If I find a good girls get her number and have Threesomes.

[DramaFree11]

Been working a lot and had vacation with my dad. I need some fun. Booked a flight to San Diego and wow what a night. One of my regulars was running late, I see this hot girl from M. City. We went and had a drink and I was hoping the 2 girls would hit it off and I was correct. We had a 45 session. Then all of sudden the girl from M. City asked for more and the girls went at it again. What a night!