Hong Kong Club Reports

[KC Questor]

But I don't follow your logic on the $60/$80 negotiation. If you enter a negotiation willing to pay $80, and she offers $80, how do you win by turning her down? Because of her negotiating tactics? I suppose I understand that principle. And yes, she lost out on the money. Maybe there is a lesson for her. But you also lost out on the experience. It sounds to me like you are as interested in winning on principle vs the big picture of the experience.

If we had previously agreed on $60 and she changes the terms of the deal, then I don't want anything to do with her. Had she insisted on $80 in advance I probably would have said OK. But by agreeing to $60 and then refusing to honor her side of the bargain, she has shown herself to be untrustworthy. I want to deal with honest hookers. What else will she change about the agreement? Will she decide that she won't BBBJ as agreed? Will she decide that time is up after 15 minutes?

[Goyo61]

Holy shit Dcg! Quite a trip down to HK.

Enjoyed the read. Any details on redbook / BP. What is that?

I was in Costa Rica couple months ago. Stayed at Del Rey. Had fun with a couple girls who were Beautiful for $80 each. I didn't make it to other clubs around San Jose and Del Rey is just casino / bar / hotel so it doesn't have the Wonderful ambiance of HK and Zona Norte but. Many girls and wonderful memories.

Goyo.

I'm a user with similar handle ( 50+ reports on USA), took break from hobbying around time myredbook / BP were booming, prior had only took stroll in Tijuana zona area for beer with college buddies after crossing from SD, having only tried a less than memorable 20 usd SG in st motel.

Decided to make 1st Tijuana flex,1st monger / hobby experience in la zona this past Oct 5-10,crossed via car, associate drove me via car left around late 12 pm arrived late 2 pm from LA, driver crossed back via car with plan of me getting HK limo / driver to drop me off to cross back via foot pedwest, was dropped off in front of HK / Cascadas on Coahuila Street (the side of the strip with Adelitas, HK and with Club Tropical across street), had done appropriate RTFT research on here, studied notes,1st I did was go straight into Cascadas entrance next to HK, in line check-in with my target being Hotel Cascadas check in 3 pm / check-out 1 pm time frame, got VIP Card, reception was OK with it, applied 20% for Sun, Thu & 80% for Mon / Tue,250 usd, made reservations around 2-3 wk prior.

[Goyo61]

Senor,

Never heard that expression before. "Bubble Butt Hunter". What a riot. Perty funny. Enjoyed the report. I never heard it being crazy on a Wednesday. When the place is packed it's a little too crazy for me but I think I need to experience it again.

May go down this Sunday afternoon for a little fun. If anyone else is heading down and want to say hio let me know.

Goyo.

Damn that was a novel. My fave part was 14. Good negotiation.

[OrganicAlo]

Dcgamer I appreciate your detailed report as it helped pass along some time here at work but damn man you overpaid like a motherfu*ker. And 19 girls and no 3 somes? Wtf LOL.

2.5 k for 6 days? That's crazy but hey if you had fun it's your money.

Shit, he did pretty good only 2. 5 k in 6 days. I have a friend whose gone down twice with me now, and he doesn't control himself good when he's boozed up. Both times he has managed to spend 2 k in a single night. More than likely, robbed by chicas / meseros both times, but there's only so much I can do once I crash at 2-3 am and he stays up the whole night.

[DcGamer69]

Dcgamer I appreciate your detailed report as it helped pass along some time here at work but damn man you overpaid like a motherfu*ker. And 19 girls and no 3 somes? Wtf LOL.

2.5 k for 6 days?

Appreciate you enjoyed report, tried to be as detailed as possible for those awesome 5 nites /6 days, 19 girls /1st stay in HK / Cascadas was fun, lot dudes spend 200 on ea girl & tons fichas, buying them food, & VIP rm before even taking girls up, I skipped all that by rtff, seen reports on here people claiming to be repeat visitors spending 1.5- 2 k on trip only taking up 10-12 girls whole trip & dudes congratulate them, kept it minimum spending mainly on arribas, used VIPcard 20-80%off, spent little on tips, food 8 $ a day (waffles, empanadas), didn't ficha most girls that HK staff bugged me at times, but ALL girls quoted 100,except 1,escorts also better value, HK quality was superb however. Best to approach w / amount & negotiate, didn't do that as 1st timer only setback in my opinion, Was not looking for trios as likely would've overpaid (near 200) for rushed session & my objective was to try as many girls at my pace since it was 1st monger trip, feel I succeeded 19 girls total, 20 would've been better LOL. Stuck to HK since accommodations made it smooth, I was solo this trip, came alone also, kept to myself to avoid issues as 1st timer, Considering doing more nxt time / more bars / sgs and going Medellin for more fun etc,. Tijuana seems awesome for ST / Shortime action for few days / epic fun. Understandingly, was 1st monger trip, had amazing fun, 19 girls seems better than reports where dudes spend more for less, read many. As a newb I feel I got lots bang, value YMMV.

As for the budget.

I was quoted 100 by most, negotiating would have saved me around 20 per arriba, I saw 19 girls & am not complaining, got 2-3 pops from many, 19 arribas, I ficha'd less than 5 of them, no spending 100's on drinks like many on whole trip (which is what many complain about Tijuana, the cost of barfines and fichas). I will give less when they don't push bk next time definitely however, and do some repeats to get more value.

Props to the board as I learned best info from the best, rtft, solid advice, looking fwd future visits.

I may decide all threesomes or a few next time since you mention it, that would be epic (with a good budget however, as threesomes seem bad value wise) definitely will negotiate like a MF'er again, experience is required & you only learn by going, I liked my first flex in Tijuana tons, respects & salutes to the hobby.

Dcg69.

[Nothing24]

Dcgamer I appreciate your detailed report as it helped pass along some time here at work but damn man you overpaid like a motherfu*ker. And 19 girls and no 3 somes? Wtf LOL.

2.5 k for 6 days? That's crazy but hey if you had fun it's your money.

[SenorTJ]

14) hung out in my room going over budget / what do to next, rested and ate etc, went to HK back around 11 pm, HK was amazing this Wed night, over 120+ girls all over the place, it was really all flavors and types of girls, standing, sitting all over, pole dancing, so much I felt at ease just walking (was crowded and lots guys, still many girls so was worth being in the not too bad sausage fest), meseros / staff only was telling people to keep walking since tons people were all over. I was roaming as the Hunter from Sun. Night (read #2) poked me on my back as I was mid area in HK first floor, it was the. The late 20's, early30's bubble butt hunter, style like pornstar Aurora Jolie aka Nikara in her prime anal scenes, I had told I would only see her if she gave me grk / anal, since she hunted me right there on spot, I said 100 and with anal right now, she said why anal, I responded none of these girls will give me, so you want 100 now lets go, and I got it. Hell yeah, it was awesome, we already had met and she made it way easier and didn't push bk to my negotiation, she didn't take long getting ready lubed up in her sweet bubble butt, rock hard I went to town her belly on bed position laying flat, me on top pumping, good sesh,100 usd short time greek, not bad. She asked for tip. I said no way LOL. She asked for drink from minibar, I said no. But told her I'd definitely wanted grk from her any time if I saw her again. Hoping I see her again or work out another spur of the moment grk again. Guys on here ask if HK girls do grk, there's an example.

Dcg69.

Damn that was a novel. My fave part was 14. Good negotiation.

[Dcrist0527]

This difference is purely your own decision on what is worth arguing about. For you, $10-20 is no big deal but $50-100 is. For other guys, $50-100 may not be worth bothering with. For other guys, $10-20 makes a difference. For some guys, it's the principle rather than the dollar amount. If I negotiate $60 and she says "Oh, now it's $80," I'm done with her even if I would have paid $80 to begin with.

Every guy should decide for himself what he is willing to put up with and where he draws the line.

I agree, we all have our own budget. And you make a great point about everyone should decide their own line in the sand. But I don't follow your logic on the $60/$80 negotiation. If you enter a negotiation willing to pay $80, and she offers $80, how do you win by turning her down? Because of her negotiating tactics? I suppose I understand that principle. And yes, she lost out on the money. Maybe there is a lesson for her. But you also lost out on the experience. It sounds to me like you are as interested in winning on principle vs the big picture of the experience. That is not in any way meant as a criticism. I would approach it differently. My thought is that I was attracted to her enough to enter a negotiation. I want her. And she's going to meet my budget? Game on. LOL.

Again, I respect what you are saying and doing. But that is the $10 haggling that I feel ruins the experience. For me.

[DcGamer69]

I'm a user with similar handle ( 50+ reports on USA), took break from hobbying around time myredbook / BP were booming, prior had only took stroll in Tijuana zona area for beer with college buddies after crossing from SD, having only tried a less than memorable 20 usd SG in st motel.

Decided to make 1st Tijuana flex,1st monger / hobby experience in la zona this past Oct 5-10,crossed via car, associate drove me via car left around late 12 pm arrived late 2 pm from LA, driver crossed back via car with plan of me getting HK limo / driver to drop me off to cross back via foot pedwest, was dropped off in front of HK / Cascadas on Coahuila Street (the side of the strip with Adelitas, HK and with Club Tropical across street), had done appropriate RTFT research on here, studied notes,1st I did was go straight into Cascadas entrance next to HK, in line check-in with my target being Hotel Cascadas check in 3 pm / check-out 1 pm time frame, got VIP Card, reception was OK with it, applied 20% for Sun, Thu & 80% for Mon / Tue,250 usd, made reservations around 2-3 wk prior.

Check-in took 30 min,4 pm I had settled in rm after staff finished, provided all sheets / towels & helped setup safe code, tipped initially in quarters as I had change in clothing to staff that helped me into my room, got Master Suite, planned initially 4 nights Sun check in / Thursday out (later extended 1 d), rm was in 300's,3rd FL, I vaped & medicated with hash. Oil / cannab. Is as I don't consume alcohol due to physical pain / pelvic floor discomfort, stuck to water but ficha'd a few ladies drinks through out. Really liked bluetooth speaker in rm, played music extremely loud in rm, when I was there and not, figured it's a redlight district hotel, so no one would complain about the music, and it ensured someone thought people / someone was in there all the time, did turn it off the 3-4 hours (crazy, normally went to sleep daily at 6 am after averaging 3-4 girls a day) I slept. Made sure to always have some chewing gum for the girls and water for a few after I noticed it helped having something for them to chew on / drink etc.

4 pm, went outside Cascadas via Callejon Coahuila (side of the strip with Chavelas, Valentinas, and with La Carretera across the street) planning to go into HK buy saw sg:

1) saw a high 7 in scale SG paradita, name began with M, was early 20's, long legs thin, spinner, light skin, hair died light, I tipped 1 usd shortly after saying Hello, (speaking fluent Spanish) and grabbed ass, tits and grabbed her waist (after reading here, I learned you should only grab on BGs, not SGs, YMMV) to get look of way her legs ran down and view of her backside, asked what her age was / where from and if she was avail. ,said yes, I asked how much for HR, quoted me 100 usd (knowing that is on the high range for an SG) I pressed for "con anal"(with anal), she did not agree, so I responded if it was HR w / MSOG / all I can handle OK, we went up. Got 3 sessions, unrushed, she was clean, good FS, everything with a cover. Rested near 1 HR, hydrated / washed up. 100 usd 60 min / HR 3 pops unrushed near, said "all I can handle for HR" so I could've kept going, will next time.

2) had previously scheduled 3 girls w / foxystj (website is down ATM currently BTW) via emailed them to book me for M. (nice mids 20's brunette light complexion, had braces, big nice silicone big size see boobs, nice body, thin) on Sun, be. On Mon, and be. On Tue all 10 pm for 90 min (115 usd) sessions requested greek / anal (+25) for all, decided to get water down from reception for 1 usd before the escort session with M (foxystj called to confirm, I also called them as soon as I was in my room before first SG I had to tell them my room#as I went bk to my rm going in elevator 2 HK BGs in club robes went up elevator with me, I could tell they were "hunters"after they joked around, I guess HK was overflowing & likely packed, Sunday crowd, I hadn't gone down but these 2 girls were roaming Hotel Cascadas trying to talk to dudes staying there, they offered a 3 some in my rm, I asked their age 1 was bronze skinned, spinner early 20's,other lead hunter BG was more mercenary late 20's, likely 30's bubble butt, nice body, not thin but not thick but fit, light-skin, attitude joking around (she made joke about "milking me" since I told them I just arrived and was going up from buying h20 and was going to HK shortly so wasn't interested, they kept talking & exited where I exited, I distanced myself but before told older 1 I would see them ONLY if she was down for greek / Anal, said it loudly as I walked away LOL, I never turned to my back on them as I walked to my room tho, they noticed I didn't want them to know what room I was in, so it was a friendly but out nowhere brief meeting with them, more on her later as SHE hunted me Wed night in HK / got grk / anal), went back to rm, chilled, M. Arrived promptly, was not feeling "good" how we talked as she began planning to wash up for action, she told me she wasn't aware I wanted greek and she would need heat up jacuzzi (takes 20 min to heat-up / fill up) for her to get relaxed, I brought up fact it would cut into my 90 min sesh, she tried to ease me by telling me she could always say (to agency / foxystj) she left earlier but she would honor by staying half HR more in my room (so I got 2 HR from her). I felt OK then and let her proceed washing up and turned on the jacuzzi / warmed it. Session included MSOG, so I got 3 pops in 90 min sesh, greek multiple positions (cowgirl and her on her belly with me on top) being last. Thinking back, I would've liked TLN (all nite, which was 400 w / anal). But I was looking for as many girls as I could take up this being my 1st visit, great escort,115 90 min (2 HR in real-time, but she washed up for 15+min)+25 grk.

3) 12 am, took up 4 $ bananas and waffles from Azul, ate and saved for later, rested then decided it was either now or I was going to miss out knowing how Sun night is in HK, I went in 1st time to HK (Callejon Coahuila entrance) Sun, it was 1 am as I made my way to small-bar in entrance & the area near stairs going up to Miami VIP rooms had lined up girls, rest club was decently filled with girls, did not want to roam club much, people. Were starring, so saw P. From MX city,26 yo spinner, dark blk hair, bronze-skin, silicone goods, said had no kids, looked great in lingerie in HK but in mish she looked DropDead gorgeous, quoted-me 100 I asked if she allowed kisses, unrushed, didn't want time taken up if she showered, said my first time in HK and I was tired so maybe was just looking for company, I asked for HR w / MSOG then she replied HR150,I requested 120/45 min MSOG, got push-back "what's big deal for the 15 min extra"she said, I said if she wanted 120 or not & if she was going up w / me, went up rm no ficha or dealing w / meseros as HK was busy, got great session w / MSOG, near GFE, light kissing on lips, solid 8 body nearing 8. 5 w / good fake tits, face / look was typical Mexican almond eyed spinner look ala Cassandra Cruz or current starlet Harmony Wonder. Saw her Wed night, did not repeat, she left room on time around 40 min sesh pay after sesh ended, but I let her out so no rush on her pt, slept very late partying on my own chilling like a villain, with music full volume, studied notes I had in text file in phone and did some accounting / overview of what to do next, ate bit,11 am waked and medicated, showered and ate, applied lots 5 $ Cuba gold cologne cheap but good enough, went down to HK. 120 usd 45 min unrushed 2 pops MSOG.

4) Monday afternoon went into HK, 1 pm to 2,somewhat busy but not overflowing, I went down the larger area where girls are pole dancing and people are in the small couches / tables near big bar / Coahuila Street HK entrance, I caught eye of curly hair frizzy hair slender big butt and silicone goods, long legs, light complexion, reminded me of light-skin ebony / Dominican lookers, not thick but not spinner nor fat but similar body to J-Lo in her prime, I wanted HR w / greek 150 usd but found she dug deep with 180 response, I asked if included MSOG anal yes she pushed bk for all so I asked if unlimited MSOG HR I would, I knew 180 was high but I wanted to avoid negotiating for long time standing by near pole dancers where I saw her shaking her ass so I liked that ass too much and we went up, pago / pay upfront was requested by her, seeing it was already high w / no greek I felt not very hyped, full service session 2 pops, all good, she did not let me touch her behind or ass cheeks or slap it with my rod which is what I like to do to get uber hard and going, so all that and no kissing and no touching behind with my rod it made trying to get ready for second time not that easy, thing is I wasn't in a rush thinking I had the whole full hour she agreed to, but having paid before FS began she was in a rush likely waiting for me to pop 2nd time and leave, disregarding the full HR, which was what happened. I did pop 2 times and she gave effort to get me up again with CBJ & succeeded, but looking at her frame and eyes, hot face and body got me up again fast, so yea it was good sesh, it was barely 40 min or so when she got ready to leave, said she had to go, I told her "mariachi pagado aka that's what paying upfront got me", her leaving as soon as I popped 2 times, irked me a bit but I got what I wanted just not whole 1 HR of her in my room. She wasn't type to let you spend time grabbing and kissing her body, business hardened, spoke English just like any Mexican-American escort in the US would and was likely early 30's,from Tijuana, likely grew up in US but I didn't probe, had kid (s). Focused too much on her looks I found exotic and her assets instead of paying heed to high price, at this pt I felt it was a good sesh but somewhat distasteful to a degree but negligible, still was pumped to continue going down to HK. 180 usd 2 pops MSOG 40 min instead of 1 HR agreed.

5) nearing early evening, club was similarly busy as before, so meseros were being annoying, I had not ficha'd / gotten drinks for any girls whatsoever at this pt and had refrained from tipping or buying water / anything in HK, only tipping 1 usd when saying and beginning negotiation with ladies I approached as I always grabbed them and tested the goods. I was roaming HK from end to beginning briefly (small bar to main bar with pole dancers / booths / couches) when I heard the alerting loud English commotion from mesero, caught me off guard, he was spot on pushy as soon as he saw and got my attention / looked at him "want to buy a VIP lap dance for a girl!" not in a happy sounding or looking way, I was moving as he said it so guess he didn't like I brushed him off as I said "No I'm good", not sure if the mesero was ex-resident in US, but he kept at me with VIP ticket, I didn't budge and kept moving. He went away and I chose girl from Veracruz, late 20's, looked good in HK and I liked how big her ass looked / felt and was rather first not slender but not thick, she was somewhat curvy but fit still, big fake silicone felt good, dark skin, said she didn't like her complexion later on as we hung by mirror in bathroom as I felt her up / played with boobs. Around 6. 7 range in scale of 10 of hotness, guess I payed more attention to her assets. What was not cool, was she was on her period, and I found this out as I went in rock hard, she even was telling me I was not cool how big I was I going to hurt her, I told her why would it be a problem, not sure if she was being honest, but I'm guessing she was saying that because she was hoping me to be small (I'm not a tall dude) and finish quick without noticing any blood, well I did find out, I wore protection like all times but was still annoyed by this accident, as I was pumping away rock hard in her bronze big butt big boob body I pulled out just out of habit in long pumps, but noticed the blood, to my dismay she denied she was on her period and said it was injury / I was too big, I don't think that was it but maybe, guessing she was on her rag and didn't let me know, I offered to give her 40 if she gave me back the 100 (I know guys can complain to the reception if girl misbehaves, does you wrong etc, so guessing she wanted to avoid and me saying she was on period and did not perform), she seem to be doing that but before she began leaving she approached me with idea if she used sponge / etc and it would stop bleeding and I could finish. Well it happened, I liked her enough it felt like a good sesh, strangely this felt more rewarding than prior girl. We talked bit, despite what happened should've felt bad / off-putting it didn't LOL, but THEN, a knock came to my door. I was like wtf, we were already dressed so it wasn't off-guard, opened door and it was the annoying English speaking mesero who was still pissed, I didn't catch what he said to me specifically, but I guess the girl in my room naturally reacted to thinking she had to get out of my room, like when guy gets room for the sesh for the 19 $ per girl and then staff knocks when your time is up. Except I booked my room, and here was this mesero who I said no to his VIP ticket salesmanship still angry, he went away, but it put me at alert and discomforted me. Girl had to leave my room now and she had told the mesero we were done already and she was leaving soon, so she did that but as she did I asked her why that happened despite me having booked room for the night (s), I explained also I had not ficha'd / bought anything at the bar for the any girl I had taken up. She explained I likely was targeted by mesero / staff since I was not buying anything from the house / bar and because it was busier before I had gone more unnoticed, this led me to change my game a bit and I decided to ficha next girl. Had to get ready for escort in few hours at 10 pm from foxystj so washed, rested bit, ate, chilled etc,100 usd.

6) foxystj sent their girl on time again 10 pm, this time be. Early 20's,possible 19 yo, somewhat curvy 6 out 10 scale. Website and pics made pics seem she was spinner, way prettier and a high 7 or 8 and noted greek offered. Well none of that. I still went with it, she was still not off-putting and I figured I would enjoy her company and chill in jacuzzi, I turned it on, offered her gum, water, watched TV / porn for bit as we sessioned, popped 3 times, but despite her saying she would do greek, it was not going that way, she couldn't get relaxed and later said she hadn't done greek prior and said she would definitely do it if saw her again. Strangely the GFE type chilling and chatter we enjoyed in my room and in jacuzzi felt fun enough, I'm single dude so it was better than chilling lonesome, so despite I suspect she may been a quick girl they used to fill in a girl that cancelled / or whatever since pics were not her, I still found sesh good and 3 pops MSOG competent. Good FS,90 min sesh no greek despite that's what I scheduled so 115 usd very unrushed near GFE 90 min.

7) relaxed and had gone to Azul got empanadas Argentinas (like similar to meat breaded Chinese dumplings) 1 $ each, a bargain IMO, and along with the waffle+bananas meal I often got, a few 1.22 usd empanadas (3-4 of them) were enough to eat. Usually ate 2-3 empanadas and then some waffles daily while there at Azuls, skipped the Taco stands and outside food to avoid any stomach issues during my trip, I planned to get Thur. As many girls so this was going well. It was getting late my last escort had left 12 am, I was going to call it a night since I kept medicating and chilling it up alone in my room with 420 and music, it was getting late 3 am-4 am, still was awake and thinking of what happened earlier with mesero acting up and knocking on my door. I decided also to still keep the night going and decided I was going to go for 4th girl this day, a record at this pt, past day had been 3 girls, I was hyped enough and went down, with objective to do it right this time and ficha a girl I like and bring her up to be good terms with the bar, even if they didn't notice / care etc. Was 4 am inside HK, few dudes in there and small lap-dance stage by Callejon Coahuila entrance of HK I caught my eye on F. Early 20's,mid20's from Sinaloa, spoke good English, she was dancing on stage and looked good, not a lot tats but looked like definite party girl, not boring or stuck up type, I wanted her. I wasn't sure if to go by her stage and sit etc, so just asked and signaled to HK staff / security looking (not bouncer but dudes wearing dark clothing) guy if she was available, he signaled me to her that I wanted her or she was being requested by me. I believe she was ending her dance, and she was putting her lingerie back on, after being nude on stage. I was sitting back in chair near bar but seemed it was better me to already go talk to her, she was barely coming down from stage, and I gave her a 1 usd and grabbed her body / checked it out, asked again if she was free (not to go up but to sit with me etc), ficha'd a beer for her, she drank it slowly as suggested here means she'll be good upstairs, I quickly was like "let's go up", not sure if she quoted me anything, I just remember I payed after and there was no issue at all. As I got to her as she was down from stage, I was astounded by how hot she was, such a fine face, reminded me of Caucasian features, straight alpine nose, dark blk hair, Demi Moore in StripTease look, I'm not Caucasian myself (fluent Spanish speaker, typical north american mestizo aka Latino with native / euro dna) so she felt that way to me despite I was in Tijuana, it reminded me a lot also of those few latin light skin cuties of my youth from high school yrs. She spoke lots English as we went up to Cascadas, she used the 1 usd I gave her and bought lube despite me saying I had, she even used it on me, she was A1 service. DDGorgeous eyes, face and body maybe a high 7. 9,combined with all I'd say high 8,she was tipsy notably and before coming up from HK I told her to bring up her drink to my room, session was great, normal FS many positions but lots kissing, I lasted long and kept going at mish, she even was the one asking to switch positions since I kept pumping away she wanted to try many, no rush. She left a bit over the 30 min, I was not focused at all on budget with her so I just gave her 100 usd, asked her schedule, she was done, I was her last. Saw her again 4 am in same strip stage dancing Friday but just said Hi to her, she seemed to be wanting me to go to her, client was with her but she was the one saying Hi to me. I somewhat ignored her that second time I saw her in HK, in retrospect I should've taken her up again but more on that as I share what happened then later. 100 usd GFE experience.

8) Tuesday started similarly, chilled to the max and ate bit, cleaned up, asked for some towels plus 1 usd tip to staff who gave it to me, went down to HK was around 2 pm or late afternoon, HK was popping but not overly saturated, not sure if I ficha'd the next girl but I may have, was eyeing this spinner bronze skin petite cutie with almond eyes, total native / Thai look, hot, she was next to the Veracruz girl I had seen prior, I said Hi to her but asked this new to me girl where she was from. I guess she may have misperceived me asking her where I meant, I meant where in Mexico, but she responded Mexico, I assume because maybe some think she's Asian, she asked where I was from, but as I responded slowly to her "Loooos Annngeleees" as distracted I shifted my sight of view to another spinner, except hotter and firecracker type of cutie, looked similar to the one I was introducing myself to but better, once I saw a older American gringo Joe Bidden looking dude pass her, I went straight to her and left the one I asked where she was from alone (I saw same girl looking at me confused as if she wanted me to go for her a day or two after, but I didn't, her face either had too much makeup or something because she wasn't pretty face wise when near as I thought), decided to go up, girl was around 4,11 or 5 ft, early 20's, Jynx Maze type body, similar look except almond eyes / like Harmony Wonder or Cassandra Cruz. Didn't ask pay upfront, good FS, no rush, probably would've stayed longer or good deal avail, gave her 100 usd. First time in HK, so didn't come with lots change, and didn't negotiate much on price, I know now many of these ladies go up for less than 100, so those reading this, ask for less, 100 usd.

9) 8-9 pm, resting & chilling in room, blaring music, planning / keeping account of what next etc, reading notes, then went into HK, place in full effect, not as busy as I witnessed on Wed. Which was when I saw things ramp up (full of girls, probably near 120-150), but I saw better talent, more 8's,lots style ladies, many tall, spinners, bubble butts, light skin girls, native looking girls, Asian lookers, even 1 black girl 6-7 scale. I soon chose A. Mid20's,a banging looking 8.5 or from afar high 8 near 9, she had nice sexy outfit and looked uber hot, bronze skin, was from Mx city, Pocahontas look, big ass, silicone goods (or big naturals, don't recall, A1 nonetheless), didn't ask if had kids, but don't think so, single girl attitude, joked around saying she could be my witch / conjurer after I said she was hypnotizing me how good she smelled after she relaxed nude massaging and putting lotion on her and some on me after we were done, no rush, I think she overstayed, liked this one a lot & got vibes she knew how much I liked her, kept asking her I wanted her to be a bad girl, not a good girl like she was w / me & give that Ass up &let me have grk since I loved her bod so much, as she left I told her I wanted her ass. She may have asked pay upfront, don't recall,100 usd. At this pt I probably thought this was best girl sofar. Saw her next day, but I fronted saying Hi to her in a low key way, she somewhat brushed me off, didn't try to respond much, guess she wanted me to take her up &not greet me, either way she was repeat material when you get a session like that,100 usd.

10) I had struck gold in my opinion & came back to my room few min before my next foxystj girl was coming 10 pm, last girl had left my room maybe less 20 min before. I hurried, got some food down at Azul for later since night was far from over. Got ready for be. Early 20's spinner type bod light skin light hair hazel eyes girl from Sinaloa, almond eyes but light features, natural boobs, small but decent, felt and looked like girl next door type, came dressed not looking like SW or BG nor escort in heels, wore jeans, light leather jacket and heeled light shoes, kinda felt off put for some reason, guess I was reminded of some chicks like her who ignore you in past. Turns out she was greek virgin, and that led to some uneasiness on my pt, we agreed we could see if she was open to it but she kept saying "we could try it", told her 115 90 min FS or 140 90 min with greek since that's what I scheduled. She told me she never had done greek and said she told foystj to put it so she would be requested, didn't dig that but session still took off, got 3 pops MSOG, attempt at greek but I layed down that it was either all of my rod in her behind or no extra for greek, "no trying it, I want that ass all of it", tried it and failed on her pt, she couldn't relax or maybe was tightening her sphincter who knows, finished sesh, found her so attractive towards the end asked her if could get another pop even though she was ready to go (after me initiating getting dressed and starting to let her go, my fault should have held out for another), I'd like to see this babe again if foxystj is bk, said she was lesbian (guess she means bi if indeed she liked dudes as well) and was BG or ficha girl in many bars in her past, told me she would do greek if saw her again, but I don't believe that. If I had chance I'd take her down to HK and have 3 some with a girl and her for value and to get some partying out of her, if she or the agency comes back. 115 usd 90 min 3 pop MSOG.

11) began Wed in noon as went down to HK, saw A. From Sinaloa on scale out 10,solid 7, ass and tits were more like 8 out 10, rest high 6-7, slender and maybe body like Cardi B except Almond eyes, light tan complexion, early 20's, not small nor short but not tall, long blk hair, saw her near stairwell, got me attracted instantly as I saw her frame from side, looked at her side few times as I stood next to her, she looked good. Nothing bad in this sesh, all good FS. Girl was friendly and said I should be pornstar, and I gave her some insight on how I would have to start from the bottom if I wanted to do pron (I. E. Start banging fat ugly huge whale broads in fetish flicks if I wanted to rack up porn work as a newb male performer), she found that intriguing LOL. No rush at all, stayed full 30 min or bit more, 100 usd.

12) went back in HK after 1-2 HR rest in rm was 2 pm, was walking around and looking at pole dancers in bigger bar side of HK, mesero was not pushy but started following me after kinda funny I told him I wanted slender / thin girl, he got me this hot creamy skinned young Courtney Cox in her prime looker but as she sat down with me she saw a client I guess she had scheduled or regular and she left me for him, felt kind of lame so I got up and told the mesero he wasn't of any help and I went to other side of bar, he was sticking to following me, I didn't tip anything since he was rather not letting me roam as I wanted, so settled on girl he got for me, V. Late 20's likely 30 from Nuevo Leon, high 7 out 10,looked very fine, long legs, light skin, black hair, Sasha Gray type body, fine face brunette Pam Anderson look, was a lot into music in my rm, I asked where was from, ficha'd her and was grabbing on her, I found most girls have no prob you squeezing chest / grabbing legs / hands etc if you ficha them / buy drink and are with them in table / booth, she didn't ask for pay upfront, clapped her heels since I told her to keep them on as I banged away in mish, kinky attitude&nice, got#. I could have gave her less than 100 usd since we hadn't said anything, gave her that since I basically had more 100's on me (lesson for next time, also didn't want to have reception / staff see me changing 100's,they also were short on change at times, didn't want to use ATM either). Sesh was among best but previous girls were more stunners, especially the silicone and bubble butt ones, guess in retrospect I still prefer quality / looks wise as long as FS is good,100 usd.

13) went back to HK, still Wed, 7 pm, HK was very lively, lots Asians, gringos from SD, saw some Indian dudes, felt cool, lively, lots girls. Chose to ficha girl I saw, sit down with P. From Cancun, super hot early 20's,bronze-skin body / like Scarlet Domingo looker, petite, long legs, tight body, loved it. Girl was fun in HK as I grabbed on her in booth / table, she took up beer after we went in my rm, asked her about Cancun in elevator, FS was really good, warmest vag yet at this pt,100 usd, unrushed, she even wanted more beer after she was leaving my room / asked me if I was going down (in retrospect I guess this means you can keep ficha'ing here I. E. Go down to bar with her and she may have given TLN or more sessions cheaper, will do that with girls next time).

14) hung out in my room going over budget / what do to next, rested and ate etc, went to HK back around 11 pm, HK was amazing this Wed night, over 120+ girls all over the place, it was really all flavors and types of girls, standing, sitting all over, pole dancing, so much I felt at ease just walking (was crowded and lots guys, still many girls so was worth being in the not too bad sausage fest), meseros / staff only was telling people to keep walking since tons people were all over. I was roaming as the Hunter from Sun. Night (read #2) poked me on my back as I was mid area in HK first floor, it was the. The late 20's, early30's bubble butt hunter, style like pornstar Aurora Jolie aka Nikara in her prime anal scenes, I had told I would only see her if she gave me grk / anal, since she hunted me right there on spot, I said 100 and with anal right now, she said why anal, I responded none of these girls will give me, so you want 100 now lets go, and I got it. Hell yeah, it was awesome, we already had met and she made it way easier and didn't push bk to my negotiation, she didn't take long getting ready lubed up in her sweet bubble butt, rock hard I went to town her belly on bed position laying flat, me on top pumping, good sesh,100 usd short time greek, not bad. She asked for tip. I said no way LOL. She asked for drink from minibar, I said no. But told her I'd definitely wanted grk from her any time if I saw her again. Hoping I see her again or work out another spur of the moment grk again. Guys on here ask if HK girls do grk, there's an example.

15) now 12 am, like I mentioned that Hunter on this still going Wed. Night in HK hunted me down while I was in awe how HK was 11 pm on Wed night, who knows if I would've scored a 3 some or a hot stunner if she hadn't taken me, but at least I got greek from HK girl like I planned, escorts are better for that, but it was awesome, I rested and did the usual taking care of myself, eating, resting, working out a bit (sit ups and burning some calories etc) in room (Master Suite is spacious enough), went back to HK at 2-3 am, since Wed night overflow was still popping, meseros were not that annoying, I was in bigger lower part of HK, and snatched up a stunner, hottest yet, solid 9,she was kind of tall also but not catwalk status (did talk to some of those, but they were kinda snotty and faces not that hot in my opinion, just talked to one that had glasses however), this girls was E. Mid 20's,creamy skin, Caucasian looker, around 5'7 long killer legs, wearing Calvin Klein underwear, she was where VIP dance girls and pole dancers were, brown curly hair, reception dude kind of was as awed as me, girl was friendly and I loved how she looked, big silicone knockers too, bubble butt for days. Good FS, let me touch everywhere and anywhere, rubbed and slapped my rod on those cheeks. I told her to stay and not move when I finishes, LOL, I wanted to behold the sight of her and her not to start leaving, good sesh 100 usd, not sure if she asked upfront pay but didn't matter in retrospect, she was stunner model material. I know its still high for a BG, but this was my first time.

16) OK this it was now. Thursday morning. I had originally planned this day to be checkout at 1 pm, but I decided to extend 1 the (checkout Fri 1 pm) and proceeded to enjoy my day, I was liking the experience and wanted to try more variety and at least leave till Friday afternoon. I was feeling mixed feelings also, since a mesero had again annoyed me that previous night after that super hot 9 stunner, guess she either didn't go back to HK after she left my room, or mesero was sent to my room since I didn't buy VIP dance or ficha before I took her up, nonetheless this felt annoying as hell, since the mesero had waken me up around 5 am as I was sleeping, he asked were E. Was as soon I opened door, I said "no one is here, she was just here for a 30 min sesh and left my rm", mesero could see I was being direct and serious, also that I was tired as hell LOL, and didn't say anything else but "I apologize" and went away, still had me annoyed. Well it was now the last day nearing my last night there since I was leaving next day (Fri), I went into HK around 2 pm, there alot of girls, some even were being direct and saying come to me, I should've picked a hot one, but I was blinded by a girl coming down the stairs that had a good set of knockers, silicone, and wearing pumps, long legs, A. From Sinaloa, early 20's, body built and look like Aurora Jolie aka Nikara in her best scenes, except Latina Mexican look tan skin almond / native eyes and had bubble butt, solid 7 in scale out of 10,got me attracted to her, too many girls around and others were hotter as I recall but guess too many options made it difficult too decide and her assets distracted me, be careful about this, and I could tell girls around me were annoyed I went to her, she seemed kinda new in retrospect as she was not that direct when I asked her if we could go sit and get a drink, well we did, and we went up to room, session was good, and she even seemed impressed with me, telling me I had a six pack abs etc (barely but she kept seeing me thru mirror), full service was good until she did that thing escorts and working girls do, the tightening and making it harder for you to go deep, pump away, well that bothered me but I ignored it and still got my way and finished my way, but still that had bothered me. As no other girl had done this yet, this ended up getting to me. She kinda of was sticking around and looking at my fridge so I ended up loosing it and told her to get tf out of my room and "all the girls I have seen did not what you did, I should've gave you 80 not 100, wtf would you stop me going in like I wanted, etc. All the other girls didn't, you are giving Sinaloa girls a bad name, you are a liar, you know I can complain to the staff / reception about you. Etc" it was brief but I spoke fast to her, and I could see she felt bad, she went away. It wasn't too bad but I did react bad, so this was officially first bad sesh.

17) I collected myself, and got into a better mode, the trip was still a good first experience, I had seen many different girls from all over Mx, many light skin Caucasian lookers, many typical Cassandra Cruz Pocahontas spinner types, Jynx Maze style girls, many small petite Thai / Asian built types, and bubble butt hip hop pole dancer lookers, most with silicone and big asses, many enhanced. This Thurs 7 pm was still very popping, I went right into HK, with fresh state of mind and energy, I could see guys were overwhelmed, and I went by stairwell overseeing lower area of HK, it felt like many teen lovelies were all lined up, felt like a throwback to college summer days when campus is full of distractions of hot girls of all types. I liked I. Early 20's fake blonde green eye contacts wearing light skin, long legs, petite spinner, High School sweetheart girlfriend material from Mx. City, very pretty with braces body like a light skin Italian / French brunette spinner, I saw her when she was with her friends, most were also light skin and looked like were from Northern states, all hot, I liked that and was confident with her, she didn't want a ficha / drink and we went right up my room. I told her I considered her Girlfriend material as she left my room after really good FS session, no rush, I didn't pursue her but should've gotten my moneys worth before moving onto another girl but left it at that. She also noticeably seemed more into talking, smiling more when we parted ways, really dug her. 100 usd.

18) I was really hyped now, I had seen high school sweetheart types, super model stunners, and was chilling and enjoying my first HK flex in Tijuana. I should've definitely gone to other bars and more SGs, but the abundance of hot girls, silicone, bubble butts, ease, accommodations at Cascadas, cheap / safe food at Azul made it easy. I was going to HK all time of the day and having good numbers so far with how many girls I had taken up in my 5 the stay. I continued my usual relaxing and accountability in my room, kept to myself and 420 and chilling with music, still in awe of the caliber and hot chicks I had experienced was awesome. I went back to HK around 1130 pm-12 am saw S. From Mx. City 20 yo girl so far, loved that fact, complete solid 8 in my books, Scarlet Domingo type body, look style similar to Harmony Wonder, I ficha'd her, loved holding her hands and touching her, talking to her in booth / table. Took her up rm, she was coolest chick in my opinion so far, as in she seemed one with least responsibilities, she had most small size tats one her as well, body and style similar to escorts in US who get tons clients on HX, she said many gringo / HK clients take her weedpens etc. I didn't partake with her, but our full service sesh was superb, she was very tight. I joked I wanted to keep her and her to be mine as she left my room, again for next time these type of girls are good to ficha them again / go down the bar again and get more time / TLN (all night) with them / more value or repeat etc, 100 usd unrushed, in these instances since I ficha'd her I should have gone with trying 80/90 for session, word to the wise.

19) party was still going, and I was liking it. I was in my room around 1 am began packing and getting ready for next day 1 pm Fri checkout and chilling, medicating, listening to music, trying jacuzzi, wasn't in rush and since I had been averaging 3-4 girls a night, I decided to get pack of smokes in reception and coca cola for 6 usd and finishes packing, showered. I also drank some alcohol some of the girls had left, like I mentioned I don't drink and it's OK a few sips and a beer, but bad for me health wise, but it didn't do me bad. I drank some beer in rm and smoked some cigarettes, since I was enjoying last night in my Master Suite in HK and 1st Tijuana flex I smoked a few stogies, maybe got a bit cloudy minded from the beer I drank, I decided to go down to HK around 4 am, I had been thinking to wait till Friday morning / afternoon before 1 pm checkout to try last girl to know / experience last girls on last day there, but I still went since I said "I'm here might as well go down now better than not" well I don't know what happened, it was just bad luck I guess, but even though the selection was good, and F. From Sinaloa (see #7) was there as I entered at 4 am by pole dancers in smaller HK (Callejon Coahuila side of HK entrance) area, she said fly, signaling. Teasing me even though 1-2 dudes was there tipping her as she was on stage. I should've taken her up, but I just walked by her and did say Hi but played it off, newb lesson I guess. Well even though I also saw a few high 7's near 8's try to get near me, and get my attention I was distracted by a plainer but taller light skin girls I had seen Tuesday night, I recall she seemed trying to ignore eye contact with any dude, that type of girl, she looked good too, long legs, in heels she had the catwalk look. She did not have lingerie / stripper attire on like most HK girls do as well, she instead wore short skirt, heels, and tops, that's it, early 20's,from Ensenada, quoted 80 (First girl to quote me 80, and strangely, even though I know it was my first time, she was downright the worst girl I saw, read on), I was basically on end of budget, trip with room and everything was running me near 2.2-2.3 k already and I was on my last 100 for mongering, rest a few bucks cash for incase I needed ride back / etc. It was also last girl I was going to FS also, and that likely and maybe fact I drank some beer before made it bad sesh. So yeah 4 am I took this civie (aka civilian) looking girl up, and she strangely seemed either drunk or just out of it but she first was standing looking around room after undressing, and when she did get on bed, already I was irked she seem to be doing things in slow-motion, she also didn't allow touch her skin with my rod or any playing intimately with her body, mechanical, and at one point she killed the mood as I attempted to get rubber on after lubed, as she brought up me not touching her in case I had hpv, this slow mo style continued until I for some reason ended up busting on my own, hard to explain. But as I was trying to get it up she kept retreating and closing her legs, frustrated me and she knew it, and not sure but she began saying she could report me to reception if treated her badly, she was coming off as negative. 4 am and bad luck and it being Thurs night / slow night, early Fri mor. ,she wanted to finish that shorttime sesh with me or whatever, so as she kept being negative I came on my on. Annoyed me a bit, but thinking it over and not liking my last girl and first nonfs and bad session (last bad session was bad but atleast it turned bad since I was irked that girl stuck around, this was a bad sesh all around). She was hot and tall and I dug that, but next time, I'll ignore civie / plainer looking girls. Many girls said Hi and wanted my attention as well, was a buyers market that 4 am but I went in with "now or never attitude" and it ended up as official burnout, 19 girls in 5 days, super awesome experience, all 19 girls were hot, HK and Tijuana are officially my first monger / international hobbyist experience. Will go again, negotiate more and try more places, more SGs, and escorts as well as threesomes.

I have done tons RTFT and research, HK & Tijuana were extremely safe, crossed back in pedestrian crossing pedwest, checkout at 3 pm Fri afternoon, told staff I was going back crossing if I could get HK ride / limo back, they confirmed my room checking me out, left more than half of pack of smokes to HK staff who likely checked my room, guess young bellboy liked that. Staff was cordial all around, I tipped mesero who brought me ficha drinks for girls I ficha'd 1 $, gave robe guy 1 $ always, sometimes meseros who helped girls I told them I wanted from strip / pole dancers I gave them 1 $ after they got me girl, etc, tipped few quarters / change if cook brought me food box / bag order at Azul as I waited for order, usual tip was that. Next time I will tip reception also or buy pack of lube at times, as I noticed reception a bit negative at times when I was going up alot, guess many dudes despite having rooms still tip them.

Ease & safety, caliber experience, comparison to my previous 10+yrs hobby experience in US with top escort HX / online girls (I've seen pornstars like Summer Bailey, Nilah Summers, had greek, rimmed them etc, past days of myredbook / BP, seen many Caucasian early 20's spinners, sessioned in VIP rooms in US stripclubs for 200 usd shortime all over socal) make the score for HK and my first Tijuana flex: -- 8 out 10 for monger / hobby quality experience, girls were on average par as good as the best PSEs and shortimes I've had here, sessions were on average as good or better than best I've experienced here. But with that in mind, the instances like #4 where I was quoted a high180 (near / avg what many classified online US escorts charge for incall HR) for HR (and many HK girls did make it explicit to me when I asked about 2 pops or MSOG as option, they always repeated "each additional pop is +80", same as some kept the also routine it seems "each arriba / time we go up it's 30 min" I have researched a lot and decided I will try HK and Tijuana again definitely sooner than later, but:

Budget for this trip: 2.3 k near 2.5 k for 5 night Tijuana flex 19 girls, mostly HK girls, some escorts and SG, I will consider the following and more as next options & budget accordingly, till then I'll share more here on the other boards:

-Panama City, Panama: Habano's Cafe as groundzero for action and Eurostars Casino as hotel to stay and the stripclubs in the Casco Viejo / Antiguo area like La Mayor and Boca Torena shortime brothels (12 minutes-15 minutes is less than 20 $, FS, girls are hot, many Venezuelans, Colombians, Panamanians), & I have read, am astounded by what I'm learning about how the caliber of girls at Habano's Cafe, seems on Thurs-weekends it can be as many as 100+ hot stunner Venezuelans and Colombians, seems many start quoting 200 and hour, but rtft I learned many accept 100,120-150, but they offer HR (instead of the 30 min seems HK girls stick to trying for 100), and seems since things always kick off at 10-11 pm and end at 3 am-4 am, most girls are open to do all night / TLN for few hundred more or if you get their number / collect numbers from girls for daytime meetups at Habanos or high end strip clubs like LE Palace, they usually will offer you action at 100 range since daytime action is slow. Casco Antiguo stripclubs for daytime action, Habano's for nightime stunners. So price wise it can be as cheap as Tijuana, USD is used in Panama, so same as Tijuana, top tier girls will quote higher than usual HK or Tijuana BG but seems Habano's caliber girls are uber hot, and short time is 1 HR and not 30 min as most HK girls offer per session, also an issue is the chica fees (which can be around 50 or more per girl), but I plan on booking each day individually if possible, but this seems to make Panama City expensive, but seems the Habano's as ground zero plan and Eurostars is a good plan, just higher than Tijuana budget wise+cost of flight (some flights can be had for near 300 usd roundtrip). A member on that board called it best P4 P spot in the world, hottest girls from central and s. America, I'm intrigued.

-Medellin, Colombia, seems like the best option for hobbyng, Tijuana was my first, but RTFF, Colombia, Medellin & Cartagena seems like great options. Seems 100 USD gets you all night TLN there (in Medellin),& shortime on avg 30-50 usd, Face Dos, La Isla Club, Luna Lunera seems to be HK type stripclubs, some reviews I've found even compare them to HK, many say its better, 50-60 usd HR, shorttime room onsite, girl can be outcall with takeout fee to place less than 120 total usd All night or few hours, have read better nering closing time. Seems $ goes takes you further in Colombia, lots other options, and many Venezuelans there. Tons to learn and seems challenging also, lots tinder, facebook, latinamericancupid options that give you free and allnite for 100 or not much more.

-Peru and Dominican Republic: same as Colombia as far as value, DR has Puerto Plata area with Blackbeard's Resort (Hotel La Manison aka Casa Blanca aka M1 also is similar in Colombia) that seems as easy as HK, you can take girls from outside there also and Blackbeards aka Barba Negra usually has 15+ girls on site, and read its 40-50 that rotate or can be scheduled, diff set up but seems one I will try if I got to DR. All niter is around 120 usd there, 3 somes also around that range, short time is around 40 usd, lots value, lots tinder, latinamcupid action also. Peru is cool, in what I learned, Lima has many "chongos", you have to read up on those, tons info, Las Sirenitas, Las Cucardas (30 soles cover to enter they give you condom,9 usd, shorttime is less than 80 soles (20-30 usd), Geisha niteclub, all seems fun among others, search youtube for "Bomba Sexy Cucardas", seems like inside its stripclub, bar and rooms onsite that each girls hosts Amsterdam style, instead its not windows but you walk by their rooms, its 2-3 floors of rooms, lots Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Colombians, peruvians, 6 to 8's. Will definitely go, but contemplating on where to go next, Tijuana & HK were a great first intro to the hobby internationally. Will share on here on other boards as I go, best regards.

Barcelona (La Vie Rose seems like legit club) and Los Angeles City among few others are notable mentions in my future desirable monger trips. Costa Rica lastly also for Hotel Del Rey, Sportsmen Lodge, seems lots Tijuana value comparable to HK girls is available there in abundance just the scene is different, and mostly Colombians, Venezuelans and some Dominicans, price wise most similar to Tijuana but no USD used as much. Colombia, DR, Peru (no USD used) all seem half the budget, chica fees may be issue in some spots, needs lot research before going also. Panama City seems quality wise great but chica fees and high prices make it YMMV though, Habano's Cafe seems amazing.

Dcg69.

[Goyo61]

I like the way you do it Rog. Just put the money out there. That way she knows your not going to try to stiff her.

There have been times I couldn't drop my load while banging her and I was amazed at how the girls really work hard to get you off in other ways. Many do really care to give you a good time.

Goyo.

I think the monger credo "I will pay after because once she has the money she has no incentive" is a myth. She knows she is going to get the money from you regardless or she can cause a lot of major problems if you try to withhold funds once the clothes come off or any physical contact is initiated. I have found no correlation between good / bad sessions and paying before or after. Most bar girls I have met lately want money up front. With most of my escort sessions I leave the money in plain sight and they collect on the way out the door.

[LuisMora]

There are no guaranteed signals that predict whether a session will be great or terrible. With that said, I think most in the hobby would agree there is a decent correlation between paying first and bad sessions. Of course there are exceptions because one of my best sessions ever in Sonora was a pay in advance situation. I disagree with your statement regarding a free bang because workings girls don't bang for free.

I agree there is a general correlation between paying first and a bad session, but I will disagree that, at least in Tijuana bars, that paying first causes the generally worse sessions. This is a classic "Correlation does not imply causation" situation. When a girl is happy and comfortable with a client, she is much more likely to not worry so much about getting paid first. What's causing the pay-after sessions to be better is the positive feelings of the girl, not when she's paid. If a girl asks a client to pay first and the client argues or forces her to wait until after, that will just make her even more uncomfortable / unhappy and make the service even worse. As noted by many, it's not like you will be able to withhold payment if her performance doesn't meet your expectations.

So yea, I always hope there will be no discussion of payment before, but if she does ask for me to pay first I quickly pay up and keep things nice, happy, and fun. I'm not going to start some unsexy contentious discussion and increase the chances of a terrible session even more.

[DramaFree11]

So much wisdom in this post. I do not like paying first. I usually try to avoid it if possible. But, I rely on the ficha process to assess what the session would be like. Granted, my process is not as efficient as others. I only go arrriba unless we are really compatible and enjoy the time and drinks together. That is the time where I think you can most impact the quality of the session. If she is comfortable with you, and vice versa, handing her the money you've already agreed to is unlikely to hurt the session. Just the opposite, arguing over the timing of payment can kill the rapport you earned.

But the flaw in my process would be if you are not interviewing the girl. If I was to just walk up to a chica and negotiate arriba immediately, I would probably handle it differently.

Totally correct, you should interview her and the best way is over a drink and even better try to get her to go to Azul. If she agrees to this then you are probably in for a nice session, but it ultimately boils down to chemistry / trust.

[LuvMexicanas]

This difference is purely your own decision on what is worth arguing about. For you, $10-20 is no big deal but $50-100 is. For other guys, $50-100 may not be worth bothering with. For other guys, $10-20 makes a difference. For some guys, it's the principle rather than the dollar amount. If I negotiate $60 and she says "Oh, now it's $80," I'm done with her even if I would have paid $80 to begin with.

Every guy should decide for himself what he is willing to put up with and where he draws the line.

I agree with you. There are so many options and this isn't Love Connection. You're paying for sex without obligations.

[KC Questor]

Arguing with girls over $10-20, this is just not worth it. Again you will lose out on some amazing nights. Now if it is $50-100, then yes negotiate.

This difference is purely your own decision on what is worth arguing about. For you, $10-20 is no big deal but $50-100 is. For other guys, $50-100 may not be worth bothering with. For other guys, $10-20 makes a difference. For some guys, it's the principle rather than the dollar amount. If I negotiate $60 and she says "Oh, now it's $80," I'm done with her even if I would have paid $80 to begin with.

Every guy should decide for himself what he is willing to put up with and where he draws the line.

[Dcrist0527]

I had an Italian Guy give some advice:.

1. I could be a Millionaire or Live like Millionaire, he choose to live like millionaire.

2. Live for the moment, do not look backwards.

3. Everyone lies and aggregates.

I have been all over Latin America, Ukraine, Russia and parts of Latin America. These guys claim and tell you not to pay the girls in advance. Sounds great, but In reality probably will not work, unless very low end girls. Even if you get a girl to agree to this at HK, try not to pay her after bad service. You will be in a world of hurt unless you are a regular and know security, even then it probably will not help. You definitely do not want to play that game. Again you are arguing about something that, will ultimately cause you to lose our on the great experience, with some amazing girls, sorry just not worth the hassle, most of the girls will never agree to this in any destinations, unless you know them..

So much wisdom in this post. I do not like paying first. I usually try to avoid it if possible. But, I rely on the ficha process to assess what the session would be like. Granted, my process is not as efficient as others. I only go arrriba unless we are really compatible and enjoy the time and drinks together. That is the time where I think you can most impact the quality of the session. If she is comfortable with you, and vice versa, handing her the money you've already agreed to is unlikely to hurt the session. Just the opposite, arguing over the timing of payment can kill the rapport you earned.

But the flaw in my process would be if you are not interviewing the girl. If I was to just walk up to a chica and negotiate arriba immediately, I would probably handle it differently.