Hong Kong Club Reports

[SocratesNY]

Thanks for another great report Socrates.

Did you mean $30-$40/ HR with only part of the time with a gal?

$30-$40/ HR is NOT possible with gals via fichas. Most gals only spend 5 minutes for a ficha. Some go as much as 10 minutes.

So by my experience and calculation you need to spend at least $60/ HR if you are lucky and more like $80/ HR if you are spending the whole hour with gal.

I know how many fichas I bought and how long a chica stayed with me. Maybe I chose the right girls, we had good chemistry, she was high / buzzed / drunk, found me appealing, etc. But the last 3 nights, I spent 2-3 hours each night over fichas with a chica, with an arriba in between or at the end of the fichas session. They all averaged 3 to 4 fichas per hour in the club.

The first night...I bought 1 ficha each for the two chicas I took up for arriba (both sucked or were meh) and they were for only 5-10 min before we left for the room.

Therefore to say spending 30-40 bucks per hour for fichas isn't possible is presumptuous. Maybe it is unusual or not the norm. I'll leave it up to the locals and regulars to debate. I am just a fly by tourist from the east coast.

As with anything in life, there are many variables and it's always YMMV.

[SocratesNY]

The classic mesero move is to jack your change when they think you're distracted by having a hot chick on your lap kissing on you. Or if they think you're drunk. I refuse to buy drinks from the crooked meseros. I'd rather buy from the bar and give those tips to the girls dancing that deserve it.

Are you saying you buy the fichas for the girls directly from the bar? Or are you referring to your own drinks? Saving the the tip for the girls sounds nice, but sounds like your are stiffing the bartender too. If I read you correctly.

Whatever the case might be. If I am chilling with a chica over fichas at a table, I ain't going to break the mood and say. I'll going to the bar to buy you or myself a drink. I also have no issues tipping the meseros if they provide a service. I just am going to take steps to not need big change from them. The following night, I got change for my hundreds into tens and fives at the front desk.

[Babe Magnet]

Also, my question is how much money should I pay for the girl herself. Did you have actual amount some guy paid for similar 4 hours trip. I understand things vary by girls like anything else in life but I am trying to have an idea for what should I pay for 7.5-8 girl.

Why don't you just invite her on a date for a romantic night on the beach, gratis. A lot depends on you: if you're a stud, she may say "yes"; if you're a dud, it's never going to happen. Also depends on where she's from. A lot of girls from Southern Mexico are packed 2 to a room in those shithole zona hotels and would go with you on their night off just to get a break from that. If not, and you really want it that bad, negotiate pops; never pay a girl to eat, drink or sleep with you--if she doesn't value your companionship enough to spend time with you, why would you even want to be with her. Besides, there are 5,000 other putas in Tijuana who might.

But, 4 hours is nothing with commute time, check-in and setup time. You need at least all night for what you're planning. But, yeah, Rosarito Beach is probably the best local destination for what you've got in mind unless you want to go all the way to Ensenada.

I'm trying not to read too much into your post, KTF, but don't take "your date" seriously, if that's what you're thinking. There's no future in relationships with bar girls. An hour after she leaves you, she'll be screwing her lazy boyfriend. You sound like an earnest, decent guy and I'd hate to see you get caught up in all that shit.

[Babe Magnet]

Babe Magnet thinks he naturally attracts babes so he might suggest you can get free time with the girls.

It's not easy, Captain. I pull maybe 1 or 2 girls per month out of the bars. We have dinner, drinks, dancing and usually retire to my place on the beach for the night. For 18 hours, we pretend we're madly in love and then she goes back to her lazy boyfriend and I go on to the next one. It's all a game, but it can be done if that's his objective.

Rosarito Beach is a boring, run-down town with not much to do, except hanging out, drinking in the Rosarito Beach hotel and a few gawdy bars / restaurants along the main dusty road. The water is murky and polluted; I would never want to swim there. You can have horse rides along the beach, but the whole beach is littered and the sand is brown / green with horse shit from those tours and nobody cleans them up. Damn disgusting.

Now, Captain. Rosarito is no Lanakai Beach but it's a helluva lot nicer than anything in Tijuana. Maybe 25 years ago I would agree with you but no more.

A bro took a girl to Cancun for 3 days, brought $600 worth of cosmetics for her. He thought that plus trip expenses would compensate for her time and sessions, but she resisted and made him pay for each and every session just like in the bar. She treated the vacation as an exclusive opportunity to make money from him hehe. They had vicious fights and the vacation was fucked! He was deeply in love with that girls, but finally had to pay her per pop. He should have figured she was all about business, but I rarely ever saw any guy so deeply in love with any girl! She broke off all contacts right after.

PLM. I can't even feel sorry for him.

[Babe Magnet]

Looks like HK is making the girls feel like they are getting ripped off if they take anything lower than $100.

The bars don't care what the girls charge. They make nothing off arribas except the hotel fees. Actually, they'd prefer the girls charge less so they have more short-term hotel fees from more aribas. The girls are testing your will to see if you will pay $100 and based on what many mongers are posting, looks like the girls are winning. Most of the girls in bars right now are from the interior of Southern Mexico. Their only objective is to make as much money as possible in the least amount of time and get the hell out of Tijuana. We'll see what happens when the locals return from their hiatus from the shitshow.

[Babe Magnet]

I've found that if you take the time to break the ice over multiple fichas, have some game and / or average to decent looking and isn't a cheapskate, you can get GFE service from most of the girls for $100 rate.

Hell, you could get GFE from a masero for $100 for 30 minutes.

[Hadez]

It can vary. I have seen a girl take minutes to empty her drink. When having fun with a girl she seems to take longer on her drinks.

The last three trips been getting girls putting more urgency on fischas. Think the clubs putting more pressure on the girls than before.

[Hadez]

The only constant in this is HK being The Show. Last Thursday I would say CC was single A, Tropical was double A and Adelitas was single A with one girl ready for triple A and another girl ready for The Show.

Yeah, when I went Chicago Club was single A ball. Tropical was double AA ball. Adelita's was triple AAA ball. And Hong Kong Club was the major leagues! The show! I never had too many problems with the meseros though. In fact, none! Count myself lucky.

[Captain Solo]

Socrate.

1. Fichas are good entertainment values. You can screw2 or 3 girls a night max, but you can flirt, make out and have sexy fun with hot girls all night with fichas. Mexican chicas are mostly lied to, cheated, abused and exploited all their lives. They hate cheap guys who try to take advantage of them, but can easily fall in love with guys who show they are sincere, generous, caring, loving. I had many hot times with chicas over fichas in the bar, hugging, squeezing, DFK, sucking on tits, FIV ect. A few young girls went wild in lust in bed after all that cooing, talking, touching and fingering in the bar, even though I speak very little Spanish. A wingman cannot speak one word of Spanish, nor even "yes" or "no", but using the same strategies, he gets full-blown GFEs with any chicas he targets.

2. HK girls vary widely in their preferences, how they treat guys, what they would do and how far they would go with certain guys in bed. Some like whites, blacks, latinos, Asians, tall, short, fat, skinny ect acting out their fantasies. A few lesbians like small, short guys whom they love like babies in bed hehe. HK girls are overall nice, sweet, gentle, affectionate, giving kinds. You would be surprised how the hottest girls with the highest demands would do with guys whom they like. It may take a few meetings for them to drop their guards. Guys who go to HK every week have great advantage. I would stick propinas into the boobs and their crotches, hug them close, kiss their cheeks, and whisper in their ears how they are so beautiful and I love them so much. Even the hottest and most difficult girls would soften in my arms, their eyes lit up and they would smile sweetly. The girls enjoy the sexy party life too. Treat them with love, care like any girls in US clubs and you will have hot times. HK is a great place for guys to learn how to assess and develop good relationships with women.

5. Brazilian steakhouses in Tijuana are surprisingly good, better than those in LA and even on par t with the best one I had in Rio and Sao Paolo, and they cost very little. I would recommend Mr. Pampas over Churrasscaria since its meats are exquisitely grilled; their roast beef is so tender and flavorful, it alone is worth the visit. Use Translate to request your cuts of meat and how they should be grilled.

On the same Blvd Gen Taboada only 1 mile South of La Zona, Mariscos Ruben and tacos El Franc serve fresh authentic seafood and all kinds of tacos, pork, beef, head, tongue, mutton ect worth visiting.

7. Forget about the $21 for 3 songs lap dances in the tiny, airtight booths in Miami. A few girls get uninhibited in those secret nooks and can turn freaky in bed, but you can get much better value and a lot more fun by inviting your favorite girls to drink in dark corners on 2nd or 3rd floor. Just buy a few fichas upfront and tell the meseros not to come back.

8. Meseros may be fired if clients complain to management. They make a lot money than most girls every night so they don't want to jeopardize their jobs. Some may get chummy, assuming the client is well off and generous, therefore help themselves to a large tip. I only tip them $1 for each service. Even the hottest girls make far less money and deserve tips to strip, dance or just to show up to work.

12. I took noobs to all other bars, Chicago, Adelita, Tropical, but they all quickly want to go back to HK as the girls are hotter, more flirty and far more entertaining. We usually just walk around the bar, check out the girls, tip a few strippers and walk out, rarely every spend any time and money drinking. Funny how those old and chunky girls want the same rates as much hotter HK girls; their hotels like Jalos charge even higher rates than Cascada. Mexicans have very poor business sense. HK is the best value with the hottest girls and the best entertainment. Chavelas recently has lots of new girls, young and hot. Chavelas girls will DFK right in the bar, so you know you can get much better mileage in the hotel. Sometimes I just like to escape HK's rap music and chill with girls in Chavelas, listening to its sensuous and romantic Latin music.

13. There are over a hundred girls every night in HK and Chavelas of all kinds of sizes, shapes, personalities, skin and hair colors that can fit anyone's taste. Some look as hot as runway models or movie stars, but far nicer and sweeter, make you wish you can spend every night with them hehe. A few wingmen have mongered all over the world for many years, think very highly of Tijuana's sex scene.

Even hotter and sexier times can be had with private escorts, agencies, girls from Tinder, Seeking Arrangement, civies in nightclubs. HK girls are hot, but I have seen some of the sweetest, angelic-looking young girls, true 10's in any international beauty scale, in civie clubs. Quite a few guys have good, loving relationships with hot GFs in Tijuana, spending a few nights and weekends with them every week, make me envious hehe. The escorts and civie scenes take more time than offers for instant love and sex in HK, but may be sweeter and better values, worth exploring.

Better yet, find your favorite girls and take them to exotic spots in Mexico for vacations. Cancun, Tulum, Cabos, Mazatlan, Manzanilla are beautiful, romantic places full of sun, fun, recreations, water sports, exquisite food to share a week with hot girls. Love and pamper them like a true lover and you will get your honeymoons.

Glad you had such hot times in Tijuana and thanks for distilling and sharing your insights.

[Rambo1969]

fichas are still great way to past the time and enjoy yourself in the club. For $30-40 per hour, you can chill with, grope, dance with, grind with, make out with, and even suck or finger a hot chica!

6). Get Global Entry. My two crossings back to the US. Time from getting off taxi and cruising into the US. 8 minutes the first time. 5 minutes the second time. ... Flash my GE card and walked by them..

Thanks for another great report Socrates.

Did you mean $30-$40/ HR with only part of the time with a gal?

$30-$40/ HR is NOT possible with gals via fichas. Most gals only spend 5 minutes for a ficha. Some go as much as 10 minutes.

So by my experience and calculation you need to spend at least $60/ HR if you are lucky and more like $80/ HR if you are spending the whole hour with gal.

AND. I agree global entry is a no-brainer.

Better for those of us who fly into San Diego since we also get the bonus of TSA-pre for the flights.

[Captain Solo]

Socrate.

It was very nice to meet a bro with kindred spirit, nice, fun, helpful, coming from way across the continent. Too bad we did not spend much time together, but I understand you were on very tight schedule and there were so many hot, sweet girls hanging out in HK who could drive even Bhudda or the Pope wild with love and lust hehe.

Looks like you quickly figured out how to spend the sweetest time and get the hottest sessions with HK chicas. You are a quick leaner and a fast mover. Your observations pretty much confirmed my factual reports all along of how much fun, hot sex and good time we can get with the hot Tijuana chicas without breaking our piggy banks.

[The Cane]

Chicago was my first introduction to Tijuana over 20 years ago and I have fond memories of the place. It used to Rock. However, Chicago, Adelitas and Tropical can't hold a candle to HK now. It's like the Yankees vs. A AAA farm team or the Patriots vs. The Jets. I am sure you can find value and the diamond in the rough at the other places, but unless you are a local and / or regular visitor to Tijuana, just stick with HK.

Yeah, when I went Chicago Club was single A ball. Tropical was double AA ball. Adelita's was triple AAA ball. And Hong Kong Club was the major leagues! The show! I never had too many problems with the meseros though. In fact, none! Count myself lucky.

[ScottHall]

The classic mesero move is to jack your change when they think you're distracted by having a hot chick on your lap kissing on you. Or if they think you're drunk. I refuse to buy drinks from the crooked meseros. I'd rather buy from the bar and give those tips to the girls dancing that deserve it.

[SocratesNY]

I had initially booked back to back weekend trips to Tijuana due to great airfare and hotel rates and decided that if I get a good time the first weekend, I'll return. As I had a great time on Day 2 of my last trip, I returned last weekend.

I had an even better time during this second trip. I won't give a nightly report like last time as I might be repeating myself. Instead I'll state some additional observations I made on the second time around.

1). Fichas are amazing. They are great for determining if you and the chica has chemistry and is a good indication if she'll be a starfish, mechanical, a sensual GFE or a beast in the sheets. One ficha is rarely enough, but you can get a good sense after two or three. Use that time to break the ice, chat her up, feel up the goods to see if they are real, firm, smooth, etc. And to negotiate service. If you do not intend to arriba or is resting up after just doing one, fichas are still great way to past the time and enjoy yourself in the club. For $30-40 per hour, you can chill with, grope, dance with, grind with, make out with, and even suck or finger a hot chica! For that amount will get you only get 3-7 minutes of lap dances in the US and they might be air dances!

2). HK girls aren't just about 30 min non-GFE suck and fuck. A few probably only provide that service as they are a) hot / cute / pretty enough, 2) in enough demand that they can get away with mediocre service and not worry or care about repeat customers (That blue haired, glasses wearing, cute spinner named Frieda comes to mind) or C) just has a line they won't cross for their own reasoning.

I've found that if you take the time to break the ice over multiple fichas, have some game and / or average to decent looking and isn't a cheapskate, you can get GFE service from most of the girls for $100 rate. I got 5 chicas over my last 3 nights in HK, that claimed initially that they don't do BBBJ, to provide GFE after a few fichas. I turned on the charm and negotiated services and made it known that arriba isn't possible without DFK and BBBJ.

It just take patience and some game and maybe the right girl (or more likely NOT the WRONG girl), as most of the chicas I bought fichas for the last 3 nights accepted $100 and the promise of a possible tip or more fichas if they rocked my world with GFE service. They all earned their $20 tip and / or more fichas. I also didn't sacrifice on looks. They were all in the 8. 5 to 9. 5 in looks for my taste. A couple of the chicas even seem to be down for more then regular GFE. I don't plan to say who I was with so don't bother asking, even over PM. As everything is YMMV and my tastes might not fit yours.

The only disappointments were the 2 arribas in the first night. When I only bought them 1 ficha each. And took them up to arriba even though there were no chemistry. Just cause they were hot. I chalk it up to 1st night eagerness and listening to the little head syndrome.

3). Get the VIP card. The free drinks, discount on rooms, food and extra time for ST rooms get you your money back after 1-2 nights at HK.

4). Uber is amazingly cheap in Tijuana. I stayed at a 4-5 star hotel in Aviacion and uber between there and Zona Norte / border crossing was between $2-5 US.

5). The taco stand on Ninos Heros was very good. As was the 2 Brazilian steakhouses I went to.

6). Get Global Entry. My two crossings back to the US. Time from getting off taxi and cruising into the US. 8 minutes the first time. 5 minutes the second time. It was great seeing the folks on line (probably 1-2 hour long) looking at me with jealous eyes as I walked parallel to them to the front of the line. Flash my GE card and walked by them.

7). The private lap dances are meh. It's shorter than a ficha, and twice as expensive. I only got one as I had a 1/2 off coupon from VIP card so wanted to try it once. They took me to a cubicle behind some door in Miami area. I guess you can roam more with a shy girl that don't want to give too much mileage in public. Not sure why some girls refuse to do then. I presume they get same or more than a ficha. Maybe more guys finger them in there than in public or expect action in there. Shrug. Either way. My advice is to stick with fichas. More value, more time and just as much mileage with the right girl.

8). Even when you are taking care of your mesero, he can still try to cheat you. I had been at the table for 2-3 hours buying fichas for a hottie that I was getting great mileage from and alternating tipping $1 and $2 bills each drink / ficha, order of food, etc. Near the end of the night, I gave him $20 (and I stated what I gave him and have him acknowledge it by repeating it) for like the 7th or 8th fichas of the night. He brings the ficha and disappears. I'm like. Uh. WTF dude. Where's my change? 20 minutes later when the chica is ready for another ficha, my mesero is nowhere to be found. Other mesero asked if I wanted to buy her another round. I told them to find me my mesero and told them his number and name. They said they couldn't find him, so I told the new mesero to get the next ficha. At ficha number 10-11 for the night, my original mesero came back like nothing happened. And had with him some tequila. Said it was on the house. I told him he "forgot" to give me change for my last ficha and he claimed ignorance but said he'll bring the next ficha on the house. Since then, I pay them only in $5's and $10's, with a ton of singles to tip in case I buy food or a drink that cost $5.

9) if you are using ride sharing service to go from SAN to border and vice versa, check prices due both Lyft and Uber. The difference can be huge. On one trip, the difference was $50 between Uber and Lyft.

10). Props to Jinxx for his ride service from SAN to my hotel in Tijuana. We made pitstops on way down (ATM, pharmacy, etc.). He even waited for me to check in and then take me to HK. I saved so much time, which was important to me due to my night time arrival in SAN. The crossing into Tijuana by car is basically the same as a normal toll crossing. I didn't have to walk with my luggage across at night and swap from Ubers in between. I definitely wouldn't advise crossing back via car though (maybe if the person has SENTRI. But even then, there can be an hour plus wait). If you have global entry, much better to walk across back to the US.

11). It was great meeting Captain Solo, even if briefly, as he had to take his wingmen back home early due to work the next day. Very cool and generous guy. Wished we had more time to trade hobbying war stories.

12). Chicago was my first introduction to Tijuana over 20 years ago and I have fond memories of the place. It used to Rock. However, Chicago, Adelitas and Tropical can't hold a candle to HK now. It's like the Yankees vs. A AAA farm team or the Patriots vs. The Jets. I am sure you can find value and the diamond in the rough at the other places, but unless you are a local and / or regular visitor to Tijuana, just stick with HK.

13). There were quite a bit of 9s to 9.5s during my visit over 4 nights. I think the two hottest chicas I saw were at the beginning of my trip and at the end. After my last arriba and on my way down through reception at Cascadas, I saw a stunning brunette with the face of an angel and thin shapely legs that go on forever. Her robe couldn't hide her shapely assets and she was as close to a 10 as I've seen in TJ. A shame that I was done for the night or else I might have waited in the club for her to be done with her arriba.

[SocratesNY]

There was a time she was top 3 for me in porn stars. I still follow that little stoner on IG.

How much was the private porn making session? Part of me has wanted to try a porn star. Just not sure if the bang is worth the buck. Thinking it may end up being another trophey on the wall kind of thing.

The first time I shagged her was free. A favor she did for my friend who is a producer (more likely my friend paid her in some fashion). After that, we see each other a few more times when she visited NYC and I paid her $5-600 per session of 1. 5 to 2 hours. She wasn't a clock watcher. She did tell me she charges 1. 5 to 2 k via an agency.

If you hit it off with her, you'll have an amazing GFE and PSE time with her.