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  1. #18840
    A long time ago I was in 4 x4 and met this real sweetheart who was insane in bed. She loved to eat butt like it was ice cream. She could go the full hour. Just amazing. Anyway, the third night we talked in the bar area before going up, and she told me how miserable every girl is at 4 x4 being hookers. I told her they seem happy and smile a lot but she said on the inside they all cry when alone or in front of other girls. She liked being with me, but not all guys are good to them. I think that's where the problem comes in. It could be 50/50 good / bad men. Unfortunately, I never kept her number. It would be nice to see what she is up to today and get an amazing session. She would be about 37 today. I can only imagine what she is like in bed today. She was only 22 at that time and loved sex. Bottom line these girls do what they have to do to survive. Some stick it out for years and some quit in weeks or days.

  2. #18839
    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing24  [View Original Post]

    The key is to get half the battle over with and find a girl who is genuinely into other girls. Chances are she knows other girls who are the same.

    If a friend of hers isn't available, then make it clear to other girls you talk to that you already have a girl who is game for anything and tell them it's important that they're into other girls as well otherwise it's not going to work out.
    Girls might say yes but truly it is hard to find those who love to eat pussy and enjoy it without you. In all honesty I don't peruse it. I want the women into me, I am the center of attention and I am the leader of the activity, I love them and they get loved. This is the scenario that turns me on. Usually the other girl not being penetrated would be either filming, kissing me, holding my hand, or help us with insertion. One girl wanted to finger my ass and asked for permission while I was doing the other. Told her she can slap my ass lightly if she liked but fingering is a no no. LOL.

  3. #18838
    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGambler9  [View Original Post]
    I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?
    You can get those prices but you have to charm the girl and negotiate.

  4. #18837
    Quote Originally Posted by ABAJoeSmith123  [View Original Post]

    Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.

    - Ans. To some degree, the same can be said about 90% of women in the west who waste their youth laying with 100's of men.
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    Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

    -Ans. Your error starts with you comparing mongers with criminals in jail. Prostitutes do not see their Johns as sex victims in jail see their attackers. This is just too extreme. If at all prostitutes on average see their johns as "stupid fools" who want to pay them for sex.
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    HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.

    -Ans. The issue HK girls face when it comes to their mental state has to do something that comes from other girls, not mongers. Here is a scenario, when a girl stands to market herself and see another got picked up requires a certain level emotional callus on the part of the girl who is not picked. At the end of the day she is there because there is some benefit to be had despite scenarios like that. Blame the game not the mongers. Most mongers I see actually are decent middle aged men who are sidelined from the dating market in their country due to their inability to trudge through the feminist infested culture they live in.
    See my answers in line above.

  5. #18836
    Quote Originally Posted by ABAJoeSmith123  [View Original Post]
    Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.

    Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

    HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.
    True, Not an HK girl but my favorite who I have known for nearly 15 years is a very sweet soul. Has always been very nice with me and I the same with her since the beginning. Maybe it's an act, or maybe not. I don't know. We have kept in touch with each other by text over the many years.

    I have offered to help her with school or some other job training to help her change her life, but she hasn't taken me up on the offer. What's stopping her? I suspect some of them for their entire working lives might be paying off family debts owed to bad characters back home? Maybe just my imagination running? Or not. She's told me about being chocked in the past by customers and thought she was going to die. It's a fked world and people are disgusting.

  6. #18835
    Quote Originally Posted by ABAJoeSmith123  [View Original Post]
    Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.

    Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

    HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.
    Amen brother. Years ago, I dated a girl that worked at Adelitas. She had 3 kids and was previously married to a taxi driver in Mexicali. He often used to smack her and his kids around with her having to put up with it because she had no job or alternatives to get out of the situation. This dude would get drunk late at night and then come home and wreak havoc on the family. Of course, he had other girlfriends as well. She said she got to the point where she couldn't take it anymore and she contemplated committing suicide. One night she said he came home drunk and she said she wanted to kill him. While lying in bed sleeping, she poured gasoline on the bed and lit a match to it. He was able to extinguish the fire and left the house. She called the police (who are generally worthless in these domestic situations) and they actually sided with her. They called him up and told him that if he ever returns to the house that he would go to jail for a long time. He never returned.

    So here she is alone with no money and the need to pay rent, buy food, etc. She got a job at a Panasonic battery factory in Mexicali. She worked about 50 hours a week and made 70.00 a week. She had to take a taxi everyday to and from work and pay for baby sitting. After a short period of time she realized that this job would not meet her needs. She was exhausted and mentally and physically defeated. One day, she saw an ad in the paper for waitresses at a bar in Tijuana called Bar Tropical. So she went to Tijuana and interviewed with the Manager. They offered her the job, telling her how she should dress, etc and that they would give her on the job training. She went to work on her first day and sat with a line of women right where you enter the bar. She realized that this was not a waittress job but rather a job as a prostitute. She was upset at her naivete, realizing that she had been tricked and lied to. She said she sat for about two hours and a gringo from San Diego approached her and they went to a table together. He bought her a few drinks and then asked if she would like to go to Rosarito with her. She told him she couldn't leave the bar until her shift was over. The man proceeded to hand her a 100 dollar bill while buying her a few more drinks and exchanging phone numbers.

    Upon receiving the 100 dollars and receiving 5 ficha tickets worth about 3. 00 each, she thought to herself, wow, this may not be so bad. That she could never make this kind of money anywhere else in Mexico. Soon enough, she started going arriba making 60-80 dollars each time, and realized that this money would help meet her needs to survive financially. After a few months she heard that more money could be made working in Adelitas and she went to work there. She told me that she generally worked from Thursday through Monday and averaged going arriba 4 times a day at 80.00 a pop. This money was in addition to the fichas that she redeemed. She said that management was extremely strict and that she had to be prompt, not miss any shifts and had to sell 10 drinks to clients daily. She said that she fell short on a few occasions of meeting her ficha quota and was sternly reprimanded and threatened with being fired. Her solution to ensure meeting the quota was to work extra hours. Usually 10-12 hours a day.

    Now while all of the above sounds like a wonderful proposition, it was not as glamorous as it sounds. She stated that her mother and family would disown her if they found out what she was doing do she had to lie, telling them that she worked in a restaurant. She felt that she had no dignity and especially by allowing her body to be violated by some of the most crude, nasty men. Many were very nice to her but there were several that treated her poorly. She said she got to the point where as soon as she got to the room that she would detach herself from her own body to get through the session. She hated it but understood that this enabled her to support her family. To survive.

    She eventually met a gringo and they had a relationship going on where he paid for all of her financial needs, including paying for a boob job. He expected her to work at Adelitas still. They didn't live together but he would come down and meet her every weekend in the bar. One night she said he came in with another woman and told her that this is his new girlfriend and that the relationship was over.

    Enter Riky into the picture. I met her one night in Adelitas. We talked for hours and I realized that she was unlike the other professional hustlers in the bar. I liked her and thought that she was a nice woman. We started dating and shortly afterwards she told me that she felt that she was disrespecting me by being my girlfriend yet still working in the bar. She stated that she wanted to leave that scene and get a normal job. So, the plan was that I would help her financially while she got a real job. She went to barber school and became a hair stylist. Problem was that she was lucky to make 10.00 a day. Months went by and she couldn't find work. She ended up getting a job selling cookware at a telemarketing firm in Rio Tijuana. She worked 6 days a week at 12 hours a day selling on commission. There were weeks where she had zero sales and other weeks where she had 3 or 4, enabling her to make enough money to survive.

    I ended up with my job getting transferred to Texas. We would see each other occasionally in border towns in Mexico but the relationship eventually died. We lost contact and that was the end of the story. So don't kid yourself when you think that these bar girls live glamorous lives. Sure, some of them may think they do, but the majority will tell you that it is a thankless, shitty job. Most of them will tell you that their goal was to be somebody in life but that lofty dream is the majority of time unattainable in Mexico. This is my perspective.

  7. #18834

    Your a kind soul Joe

    Quote Originally Posted by ABAJoeSmith123  [View Original Post]
    Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and
    has serious mental health issues themselves.

    Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

    HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.
    Your a kind soul Joe much like I am. I feel bad for the girls at the zona at times. For mr I feel worse that I still have the desire to pay for sex because I will be honest I am too old and fat to actually attract a girl who likes me for me. Dating is impossible for me. If it wasn't for paid sex I would have no aex at all, that is a depressing thought. We aren't the chicas first, second, or third choice, they are providing a service. Be kind to them.

  8. #18833
    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo1969  [View Original Post]
    Wow 3 days / nights for $420 - that's an amazing deal.

    Do you have photos of her.

    I assume that is a custom deal for you only?

    Has anyone else experienced all day sessions for under $150/ day?

    BTW. While I asm sure you enjoyed your threesomes. I have zero interest in it.

    My mind & body is fully engaged & satisfied with just one gal.
    Yeah she charges clients usually way more. She just happened to be in a pinch due to some family drama and wanted to get away from home for a few days and was honest about how much money she needed at the time. Last year she gave me similar type deals several times as well and would sometimes give me free ST sessions whenever she was on duty at the club. A couple months ago around the holidays she started charging me a little more but grandfathered me in at her old rates from when I met her a couple years ago. Now that were clear of the holiday season it seems like I might be able to get back to the super discounts every now and then. If a girl takes a liking to you and you're also able to make them cum, you start reaping the benefits as I'm sure a lot of you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenduka1  [View Original Post]
    This is the most important thing in 3 somes. You had a blast it seems. My experience, the girls rarely (never) enjoy sex with each other, but they have sex with you together. It is such an experience for a str8 guy to kiss two beautiful women in turn.
    The key is to get half the battle over with and find a girl who is genuinely into other girls. Chances are she knows other girls who are the same.

    If a friend of hers isn't available, then make it clear to other girls you talk to that you already have a girl who is game for anything and tell them it's important that they're into other girls as well otherwise it's not going to work out. I have turned down several girls for threesomes because when I ask if they're into other girls they either will admit they're not or they're not convincing enough in the way they answer because most girls will say yes just to earn your business but you have to be able to weed out the ones who will be genuinely into it as opposed to the ones who do it just for work.

  9. #18832

    Lifers

    Quote Originally Posted by RikyMichaels7  [View Original Post]
    I totally agree with you. I remember years ago sitting with a "lifer" in Adelitas. I would always say Hello, to her and buy her a few drinks. One day she started bawling her eyes out and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't take her work anymore, telling me that many of her clients treated her like an animal and wanted to do all kinds of weird and perverted stuff. She told me that she always wanted to "be someone" when she was younger and said that she considered herself to be a non-human piece of shit. And a slave to her work. She told me she wanted to end her life as she had no dignity as a woman with no opportunities to work and normal, respectful job. Sad. Very sad.
    Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.

    Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

    HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.

  10. #18831
    I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?

  11. #18830
    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing24  [View Original Post]
    First of all excuse the long post for those who hate reading. You won't offend me by skipping my post.
    I enjoy reading your posts. Appreciate all the details on how you setup and manage things with the chicas. Three whole days of GFE for $420 is quite the bargain.

  12. #18829

    3 days / nights with gal for $420 - what a deal!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing24  [View Original Post]
    She did some math of her own and said since she wouldn't be going to work she would at least need something for some expenses of hers and asked what I thought about giving her $420 for 3 days and 3 nights.

    The following day we had another threesome,....
    Wow 3 days / nights for $420 - that's an amazing deal.

    Do you have photos of her.

    I assume that is a custom deal for you only?

    Has anyone else experienced all day sessions for under $150/ day?

    BTW. While I asm sure you enjoyed your threesomes. I have zero interest in it.

    My mind & body is fully engaged & satisfied with just one gal.

  13. #18828
    Quote Originally Posted by ABAJoeSmith123  [View Original Post]
    Doesn't matter if they have boundaries or not. They're still having to fellatio 20 hairy penises a night and be pounded by 10-20 nasty fat bastards a night as well. Even if that gives you money to have a nice lifestyle, you honestly think a woman with other adequate career options would do this? The answer is no. They do this be / see they have no other choice and need to survive because life in mexico is not the glamorous suburban life we enjoy in America. Additionally, even if they have boundaries and say "NO" to business that crosses these boundaries, you honestly think all customers obey these rules? Guarantee you that everyday there's a guy that treats them disrespectfully or holds these chica's heads to their crotches forever or pounds them so hard that till their eyes water from pain. Their life sucks man. They get abused everyday. They only smile to you in the club be / see they need your money. You are not their first option if they didn't have to work there.

    Mongering is fun, but unfortunately this is the reality.
    I totally agree with you. I remember years ago sitting with a "lifer" in Adelitas. I would always say Hello, to her and buy her a few drinks. One day she started bawling her eyes out and proceeded to tell me that she couldn't take her work anymore, telling me that many of her clients treated her like an animal and wanted to do all kinds of weird and perverted stuff. She told me that she always wanted to "be someone" when she was younger and said that she considered herself to be a non-human piece of shit. And a slave to her work. She told me she wanted to end her life as she had no dignity as a woman with no opportunities to work and normal, respectful job. Sad. Very sad.

  14. #18827
    Quote Originally Posted by FlawlessZeal  [View Original Post]
    Even just to try it once? I've seen reports say there is little that gets close to the experience of HK, short of flying all the way to FKK clubs or to Brazil. I've been to Colombia, but didn't love the feeling of having to always be on your toes and extra cautious with everything (spiked drinks, SA / FB girls, incalls, etc), and the seeming lack of any English (I speak enough Spanish to get by, but struggle in loud clubs or talking in depth). DR isn't my type and CR / Panama have mixed reviews on the quality (I'm coming from East Coast). I do plan to try Montreal when weather is better, though that certainly isn't cheaper.
    If you are in the east coast you have all the options you mentioned, but it seemed you dissed them all. You can come and try the Zona and see for yourself. There is one brothel / club that makes the place buzz, nothing much else that is world standard.

  15. #18826

    Great report but could be much shorter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing24  [View Original Post]

    Once inside the room I introduced the girls to each other and luckily they took a liking to one another right away.
    This is the most important thing in 3 somes. You had a blast it seems. My experience, the girls rarely (never) enjoy sex with each other, but they have sex with you together. It is such an experience for a str8 guy to kiss two beautiful women in turn.

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