Hong Kong Club Reports

[AmericanPi]

Are going to Costa? I'll be down there in 2 weeks for 8 days and maybe pretty close to pulling the plug on the USA For awhile starting my own biz in Costa or Colombia where my overhead far lower.

What kind of work do you do?

If you were looking to open a local business there, serving locals, you are still going to earn local money. You Won't necessarily get a bump in lifestyle.

On the other hand, if you are moving there, but are still going to serve Americans, For example, doing consulting or white collar work from behind the screen remotely, you get the arbitrage. That's American income when you live in a foreign location.

I'd be scared of making foreign income living in foreign place because then the first world just becomes prohibitively expensive to you so you better be committed for the long run. There's a reason you don't meet many Mexican tourists in the streets of Paris.

[StubbornMule]

Agreed, though one thing I like about these boards is I think you can at least for the most part trust what's being written. People aren't seeking out these types of message boards to type up some of the long-winded lies you often see on more widely used discussion forums like Reddit. Well, there is one regular poster in particular here who seems to have a knack for exaggerating in his often long-winded posts, but even he often provides what I think is good information so I just kind of overlook his BS, LOL.

Indeed, you might even say that there is Nothing in his posts which you should take seriously.

[Zenduka1]

I have always been wondering about the question I put in the subject of this post. However it has always been difficult to find a true explanation since no post I read was by someone who was able to feel both sides in person. I gave up on it until I run into a very interesting post by a mtf transitoner last Month. Decided to post it here since I couldn't find appropriate forum for it. Here it goes.

I can't speak for post-op women, or for sex post-HRT, so this post is about masturbation. That said, masturbation is generally comparable to sex, so I hope this helps.

Pre-everything transition I had a sterotypical male sexual experience. It starts with a intense and fairly instantaneous increase in sex drive. Once stimulation began sexual pleasure would slowly increase briefly and then plateau. Immediately before climax sexual pleasure would spike intensely for 5-10 seconds, at which point orgasm would occur, lasting about 5 seconds. After orgasm, sexual pleasure would fall to almost nothing within 10-20 seconds. The refractory period after an orgasm was 5-10 minutes, and any subsequent orgasms were less intense than the first.

This is my experience on one year HRT. Sexual arousal is almost never random, and requires some sort of stimulus (mental, physical, visual) to begin. At this point I can decide to go with it, or go back to having virtually no arousal. If I go with it, once stimulation begins sexual pleasure is very minimal, and comes in waves. Stimulation must be properly timed to the waves, in order to increase the level of pleasure. Both the intensity and frequency of the waves of sexual pressure steadily increase until climax, which generally takes 5-20 minutes to reach. Climax is not an all or nothing thing. Once climax begins, it can either end fairly abruptly (5-10's) or, if stimulation continues, be extended (20-40's). After climax, intensity of sexual pleasure slowly decreases (20-60's) until is reaches a low point of general pleasure throughout the body which can last for 5-10 minutes. Refractory period after an orgasm is roughly 10-30 seconds. Once the peak of the climax has subsided, you can being stimulation again. Fairly intense sexual pleasure will be maintained until a second (or third, or fourth) climax is reached. The second climax can usually be reached within 1-3 minutes after the first if stimulation begins immediately after the first climax. The longer you wait after one climax to begin stimulation, the longer it will take to achieve an additional climax.

Again, I can't speak to how accurate this is with sex post HRT, because I don't have an SO, but it should be a fairly accurate picture of sexual experience as an MTF.

[Cocr Brotheler]

I will be headed to Central America in August. I didn't visit any of the clubs oncw in the 4 days I was there.

Are going to Costa? I'll be down there in 2 weeks for 8 days and maybe pretty close to pulling the plug on the USA For awhile starting my own biz in Costa or Colombia where my overhead far lower.

[Zenduka1]

Agreed, though one thing I like about these boards is I think you can at least for the most part trust what's being written. People aren't seeking out these types of message boards to type up some of the long-winded lies you often see on more widely used discussion forums like Reddit. Well, there is one regular poster in particular here who seems to have a knack for exaggerating in his often long-winded posts, but even he often provides what I think is good information so I just kind of overlook his BS, LOL.

I see two types of posters. One type are those who are really excited to discuss the details, as to how to negotiate with the girls, which hotels to use, what to do and not to do in the clubs like HK, how to avoid scums. These types also like to read trip reports.

There is a second type, the more experienced types who had done it all, who in the past discussed all types of minute details to a pulp, here and in other forums. These guys do not like to read trip reports, since it sounds the same repeated words. These guys rather discuss, restaurants, cultural issues, social issues and personal issues when it comes to their lives in contrast to sex and the opposite sex.

[Zenduka1]

Also the part about shifting to Trans Prostitutes to save $ is questionable but maybe he likes them too.

There was a movie that came out some years ago titled "shame" The main character is a well to do, well rounded sexually straight person from good family and social life. He run a secret life though, a secret life of sex addiction. The story was very intriguing. At one point when he was triggered for a fix, went down to his usual strip club but found it closed. He was desperate and so went to near by gay club and the movie shows him kissing a dude uncontrollably aroused. Etc. Disturbing movie it was to me.

The shit can happen, our subject in the post may have been strapped for money and went to the transsexuals to experience the euphoria it gives him.

Oh. On my part I cut daily communications with my addicted buddy who lives in SD. I actually block his calls until it is time for my Monthly visits. I noticed I am constantly thinking about Tijuana, watch the sex vids I made with the chicas, view the WP communication I had with them instead of thinking about taking care of business that matter to my life. I cut all that out, unfortunately it seems forums like this have replaced all that.

[BrotherMouzone]

We can't trust anything we find on the internet written by strangers. Though it tells you the subject is out there. The post I put was written 6 years ago. To me the guys seems frustrated and wrote how he felt at the time on a whim, having no one to talk to. I do find the "make favor to guys for gas money" a little sketchy. What the heck does that mean.

Agreed, though one thing I like about these boards is I think you can at least for the most part trust what's being written. People aren't seeking out these types of message boards to type up some of the long-winded lies you often see on more widely used discussion forums like Reddit. Well, there is one regular poster in particular here who seems to have a knack for exaggerating in his often long-winded posts, but even he often provides what I think is good information so I just kind of overlook his BS, LOL.

[Nothing24]

Nothing screws enough HK girls to be Eskimo brother with most guys in this site hehe.

Actually, I forgot we are Eskimo brothers through Tania as well LOL.

[SeaBeeJoe]

Wow that was drastic if did it to get away. Must haven really bad. How are things now? Do you miss it?

I love Wyomihg and rhe people here. As far as Tijuana I visited last week for 4 days and had fun OTC with a couple of old favorites. One is getting married and the other one has a broke boy boyfriend. I will not be back to Tijuana until the end of the year as I will be headed to Central America in August. I didn't visit any of the clubs oncw in the 4 days I was there.

[Explorer8939]

That's very true about the attention part, it's a turn off sometimes for them if they sense you expect it too. As far as the bloody pads, idk I wouldn't be surprised if some use fake blood to fake it so you don't think they are lying. Especially if they don't even try to cover up the bloody pad in the trash.

99% chance they are working while having their period. There is stuff they can take to make their period go away, but it doesn't always work. If they were trying to fool you into not having sex, plenty of other ways of achieving that.

[Zenduka1]

I was worse then this guy. I lived in San Diego and went to the zona norte 5 to 6 times a week. I had to move to Wyoming to stop from going so much.

Wow that was drastic if did it to get away. Must haven really bad. How are things now? Do you miss it?

[Cocr Brotheler]

Also the part about shifting to Trans Prostitutes to save $ is questionable but maybe he likes them too.

[Zenduka1]

Eh, while I have little to no sympathy for addictions like this I question the legitimacy of the story honestly. A lot of times people post fake stories like this on Reddit for shock value (basically trolling). Maybe it's true but some of the silly details like "gas money" in exchange for "favors" is a red flag IMO.

We can't trust anything we find on the internet written by strangers. Though it tells you the subject is out there. The post I put was written 6 years ago. To me the guys seems frustrated and wrote how he felt at the time on a whim, having no one to talk to. I do find the "make favor to guys for gas money" a little sketchy. What the heck does that mean.

[Anthony2023]

I have to respectfully disagree. While that may be true in some cases, definitely not all.

It also depends on how you look at it. Whenever I have bought the wine for a girl, I ask them to please not down it and they have all made them last a while. Just this past Tuesday a girl made hers last damn near an hour and we went to my room as soon as she finished it so I didn't have to buy another one. She didn't even bother taking a sip for the first 20 minutes or so because we were busy talking and playing around. On the other hand you can buy a girl a beer and have it last around 10 minutes on average then have meseros hounding you after each one and have to deal with pulling your wallet out and waiting for your change to come back. Would you rather spend $33 for the wine and not be bothered for a while or spend $11 + tip each round and be hounded every 10 minutes?

I can only think of four girls I've bought wine for. Two of them I was already familiar with so I knew it was money well spent and the other two I took a gamble on because they were already DFK'ing me before we could even order our drinks, so I knew it was worthwhile. I have seen other girls I know who are the GFE types drinking with other mongers and they order the wine bottles, believe me it's money well spent. If you don't know the girl or she's being too shy and not giving you any action then yes, in those cases stick to beers.

I have to agree, it makes sense if you just want to sit back and enjoy the club with the girl for awhile. I usually just buy them one drink to get to know them a little bit and then head up to the room. Mongers forget most of these girls are there to make money, not waste time sitting around. So for them to make $30 for the club makes sense if they are going to be sitting around with you for more than half a hour. Nothing worse than waiting for the girl you want wasting her time with a client sitting around haha, I've had several girls leave the client they were with when they see me and tell me thank god you showed up. Cheap Charlie's shouldn't be surprised if they don't have the best sessions with these hk girls.

[Captain Solo]

Those are just general rules, apply to most cases but not all. YMMV.

Like you I am picky, would spend hours in the club, drink with a few girls before I ever decide to go up with one.

Girls would naturally want to avoid repulsive guys, but with 100 girls standing around competing for business, they will adjust their prices depending on how repulsive the guys are.

A good strategy is to walk around the club, smile at girls you like. If they smile back, get closer, give them propinas into their boobs and crotches, get closer for physical contacts, feel them up, kiss them. Those smile and respond warmly will be good companies in the club and in the bed.