Hong Kong Club Reports

[Jackie888]

I'll tell you guys which girls like their job. They are the ones that go upstairs with a favorite frequent client, one that she had sex with more than 10 times in the past. With a guy that treats her better than all the other guys in her past. For that one hour or so she likes her job. Then she comes back to reality hours later, and has to have sex with strangers who can kill her on the spot like the serial killer that was lurking in HK months ago.

[AmericanPi]

I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.

I think we just part ways on logical structures here. Fine, it's not 90% that hate it. Make it 80. Make it 70. It doesn't change much. If there are 100 girls in the club and 70 of them have to mentally prepare for the awfulness that is Joe Public pounding them night after night, it's still an awful existence that has very few good off ramps. These situations are usually bad (yes I know not always every time for every person) and they don't end well (yes not always in every circumstance for every girl).

Again I'm no activist. I go to HK. I like it. I pick and choose the hottest girls. But I'm honest about what I'm doing. And I make sure to treat them well and pay them extra and thank them. Because I know that they are there for my benefit and would rather not have to suck my load off this Thursday afternoon before my mezcal tasting, no matter how charming I am.

[Zenduka1]

This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.

Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.

But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.

And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.

I was watching a youtube video called "entrevista con una cariñosa de club HongKong" when my HK regular entered my room. We watched it for about 15 minutes together. The girl being interviewed was painting a general rosy picture about her experience. I asked my girl what she thought, she said the girl in the interview was saying what seems to be things imposed on her either by her pimps or HK management. My girl said contrary to what is being told in the video the experience most girls face is horrific and she stressed that last word.

In my view even in the real world raw sex as in one-night-stand is rarely satisfactory to women. We men have the tendency to assume women are wired like us somehow but they are almost different creatures when it comes to this subject. Women do not take raw sex as a separate object of focus, not even as main part when it comes their relations with men. Yes they like it but it is part of a parcel that encapsulates a list of other factors, like trust, intimacy, love, admiration, respect also submission and safety. They are complicated. Men like me see a toe and get hard. LOL.

Given the above, it is highly unlikely to find a working girl that is enamored with her sexual experience with a monger.

[ABAJoeSmith123]

Guys, this argument is insane. First, we can't possibly know what is going on in the minds of 91.65% of these girls. Throwing out numbers is just crazy. In my experience, these girls do it for the money. Most have tough family situations. Others do it to support a lavish lifestyle, at least by Mexican standards. But to think any of these girls actually like banging complete strangers every night is just foolish. It's a hard reality to admit. As others have said, some guys need to believe that the girl is multi-orgasmic with only him. Some deal with it better than others. But I feel safe saying none of them get up every day and say I can't wait to get destroyed by a few strangers that don't even speak my language.

This was not directed at you, Brother. Just a general statement.

They ONLY do it for the money. No normal human woman likes getting degraded and pounded by some nasty dude they don't know and then having to repeat it all night. These girls wouldn't give you even a smile in another setting where they had a stable job and were not financially dependent on you for sex money. I was there last weekend and man. I saw some creepy and disgusting looking guys there. Just saying. I'm not saying I'm handsome by any means. I'm just saying people on this thread need to stop lying to themselves that the vast majority of mongers there look like tom cruise and make passionate sweet love to the women.

[Dcrist0527]

I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.

Guys, this argument is insane. First, we can't possibly know what is going on in the minds of 91.65% of these girls. Throwing out numbers is just crazy. In my experience, these girls do it for the money. Most have tough family situations. Others do it to support a lavish lifestyle, at least by Mexican standards. But to think any of these girls actually like banging complete strangers every night is just foolish. It's a hard reality to admit. As others have said, some guys need to believe that the girl is multi-orgasmic with only him. Some deal with it better than others. But I feel safe saying none of them get up every day and say I can't wait to get destroyed by a few strangers that don't even speak my language.

This was not directed at you, Brother. Just a general statement.

[BrotherMouzone]

This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.

Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.

But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.

And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.

I mostly agree and agree with the "most don't like it" sentiment. I just don't think it's as close to 100% (or even 90%) as many of you here are thinking. Think many of you are looking at it through the lens of your own personal view (a view which I happen to share) that sex work is abhorrent. But there's a decent percentage of girls that don't see it that way, even if they find the vast majority of guys they sleep with undesirable.

[TerOnlyOnce]

But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.

How do you know that if girls in HK make it a habit to reject HK patrons they will be working in the alley soon?

There are a lot of guys in HK. Typically what the hotter girls will do if they want to reject a guy is make it harder for him to go arriba. They will upcharge by only accepting $100-120 and no less. They will not sit and drink with the guy beforehand and will only do arriba, nothing else. They can make it a habit to put off most guys and still make some money from customers that are thirsty enough to accept.

Another thing too is that even during these sessions, the girls try to get away with giving as little service as possible.

That sounds like a very tiresome way to make money to be honest but it happens. Basically upcharging guys, seeing whose thirsty enough, and then once in the room try to get away with doing as little as possible, maybe 2 minutes of actual penetration sex, and then out the door. Basically being a con woman.

So even if an HK girl wanted to reject patrons a bunch of times. There is still ways she can do it, while still making some money out of it LOL.

I know me personally though I would not participate in upcharge sessions, and I know that if I can detect a girl wants to finish up quick and not give me a satisfying arriba, then I will not go with her and will write her off for the future. But there are a lot of simps out there that are not like me.

[Zenduka1]

Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.

Discussing Las Vegas sex workers, I believe there's a significant contrast between those in the United States and those in other countries, particularly developing nations. In the USA, most women in this profession often appear toughened and emotionally scarred, frequently dealing with issues like drug use. Contrary to what one might expect, initial motivations for these women in the USA Seem to encompass a wide range of factors, excluding economic reasons.

In contrast, in Mexico and other developing or impoverished nations, economic necessity tends to take center stage in the decision to enter the profession. Personally, I find it difficult to envision myself paying for sexual services in the USA Anymore, given the prevalent experiences of emotionally hardened individuals and the prevalent drug use. The disparity in experiences is striking when compared to Latin America.

Furthermore, navigating the dating scene in the USA Feels akin to chewing on dried wood. It appears that the romantic landscape in the West has become weary and uninspiring.

[AmericanPi]

Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.

This conversation is falling into a familiar pattern. The fact that not bananas are yellow does not mean most of them aren't. Most are. Enough to bet that if you picked a banana blind chances are it'the be yellow. Not 100 pct, but close enough to bet on.

Some girls who arriba also enjoy it. For whatever reason. It's exciting. They are sex addicts. They are narcissists and love the attention.

But don't kid yourself. Most don't like it. They don't actually get to choose who enters their orifices. In a literal sense they do but any girl who makes a habit of rejecting HK patrons will be working the alley pretty soon if we're honest. And most of the guys at HK are not George Clooney. They're generally normal guys but normal means a mix of fat, sweaty, bad teeth, bad breath, over eager, awkward, and the like. I know, you're not like that and I'm not either. But you've been to HK and you know as well as I do these girls don't dream of these guys in their off hours.

And I have no problem with this. I go there regularly. I'm just saying we should look reality in the eye when it greets us. It's unbecoming to do otherwise.

[BrotherMouzone]

I think that the very high turnover, the alcohol abuse, the drug abuse implies that many if the girls start off believing it is a fun party job. Then it gets old real fast and they turn to substance abuse to take a mental escape. Then most quit after they cannot take it anymore. Hence the high turnover. There are very few that makes it beyond a year. Those that come back are wiser and work holidays or weekends. And they often give the waiters the middle finger when they act like pimps.

Agree this applies to many of the girls. My only point is that it's a mistake to generalize all of the girls as following this pattern. They don't all end up hating the job and not all are alcohol or drug abusers. But yes I've certainly seen girls who fit this pattern. A stripper I knew in Vegas would dabble in coke because she told me it was "her only way to get through it". I'm sure many of the chicas in Tijuana have that same line of thinking.

[Jackie888]

I think that the very high turnover, the alcohol abuse, the drug abuse implies that many if the girls start off believing it is a fun party job. Then it gets old real fast and they turn to substance abuse to take a mental escape. Then most quit after they cannot take it anymore. Hence the high turnover. There are very few that makes it beyond a year. Those that come back are wiser and work holidays or weekends. And they often give the waiters the middle finger when they act like pimps.

[BrotherMouzone]

Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.

Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.

HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.

I think it's a mistake to generalize and group all of the chicas into one basket. Agree that your description above accurately describes a decent percentage of Zona Norte chicas. But even still there's a wide variety of chicas here from all over Mexico that live a variety of lifestyles. As just one example, you may have some from rural areas of Mexico who've had limited amounts of formal education, whereas some are from larger cities and actually have college degrees (I personally know a couple with degrees).

Many of the chicas HATE their jobs and do it primarily as a means of financially supporting themselves and their family (whether it be just their kids or family they have back home), no doubt. But for some, believe it or not, the sex work actually isn't horrible to them (the work and the party atmosphere surrounding it can even be enjoyable in many instances), and is a way for them to afford a lifestyle they otherwise wouldn't be able to afford. I have an HK chica I'm friendly with who loves to travel who sent me pictures from a two-week vacation she and some family went on through various parts of Asia (Singapore, Japan, Thailand) earlier this month. As someone who just took a one week vacation to Hong Kong a few months ago even I was like "damn, wish I could afford to take a vacation like that" and go to some of the spots they went to, LOL. Not all of the girls have a "woe is me" attitude or feel the negative stigma associated with this work, believe it or not.

For many of the chicas, the work here truly is a "choice" they're making to live what they consider to be a better lifestyle (travel, clothes, cars, etc.). Many fully understand the risks involved and mitigate those risks accordingly to hopefully avoid some of the crap that comes with their work.

Again, I agree that a sizeable percentage of chicas hate this work and feel compelled to do it to financially support themselves and their families. I'm just pointing out that this doesn't apply to all chicas, many are perfectly content in what they are doing. Not the best analongy but I'd in a way liken it to legal sex work (porn star, stripper, etc.) here in the USA Yes, a lot of the girls who do that kind of work here in the States are unhappy but there are also a lot of girls in that work who are perfectly happy doing it, even to the point of disagreeing with the negative stigma attached to their work.

[StRobert]

I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.

My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.

Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.

Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.

Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.

Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.

Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.

Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).

Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.

These chicas are smart. When they save enough money, they go back to their region of Mexico and start a business. I remember the chicas from Adelitas and Hong Kong (they don't work anymore) but they opened the following businesses: Coffee plantation in the Chiapas region (near the border with Guatemala), a restaurant in Guadalajara, a beauty salon in Rosarito, a shop in Ensenada and one graduated from a nursing school in Guadalajara. Local young chicas from Tijuana often work to have money for cosmetics, etc. In Hong Kong, when a customer starts a fight or is aggressive towards a girl, she notifies security and security throws him out of the club, takes a photo of him and sometimes calls the police. Security won't let him into the HK club anymore. BTW If I go bankrupt in HK, I will be guaranteed a job on a chica coffee plantation in Chiapas for USD 80/ week hehehe!

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[ABAJoeSmith123]

I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.

My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.

Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.

Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.

Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.

Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.

Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.

Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).

Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.

Very great analysis! I like it!

To add to it, I'd say that life is mostly hell for the top 10% because they arriba with the most clients and therefore encounter the highest number of bad clients. They're the ones that garner the attention of most of malicious people and have to endure torment in the hotel 8-10 x per night. Anyone getting ravaged that many times a night isn't going to last long, which is why the hot ones have the shortest career span just like the bottom 40% that get no customers and don't last long either due to lack of money forcing them to leave the club. Its the middle 50% that gets stuck in the club forever.

[Zenduka1]

I mostly agree with Rambo's numbers, but an Average of 8 per night for the top 10% is too high. Not even the top 1% average that.

There's slow nights. Nights when party & drinking guys pack up the club keeping Arriba guys out. A few slow nights here & there really kill an average.

When guys are eyeing a chica & she goes ariba, ariba, ariba. Guys will will start to jump fast at her, so they very well might have an 8 arriba night, but I would put the average at 4-5 max.

I think a lot of chicas do well to do 2 arribas in a night.

If I see a girl go up she will be the last chic I seek at least for the next week.