Hong Kong Club Reports

[NegotiateHard]

She wanted money upfront. Her body had filled out, her see boobs were starting to droop. She did not allow kissing, groping, fingering, sucking her tits and kitty, gave me a CBJ then got on top doing a RCG.

WTF? How does anyone pay for this?

Wow captain solo, you are a veteran you shouldn't be making the mistake of taking woman upstairs who don't do shit in bed.

I second this. The amount of times Captain Solo has typed CBJ in his HK trip reports is far TOO many to warrant good sessions IMO. Time is ticking and settling for the scam of paying total $80-100+ for a low quality BJ is just not worth it. AYCE, Mr. Pampas, the Azul steaks and all the greatest food in Tijuana don't make up for that loss of money and a CBJ. That's just my take on it though.

[KC Questor]

Would you pay a waiter for a meal you haven't eaten?

You pay for fast food in advance.

I'm not suggesting that you *should* pay a girl in advance. Just that it isn't unheard of in other areas of life.

What "measure of control"? Are you going to pay them less because you didn't get a good lay? Good luck with that. This hobby is a huge YMMV. If, for example, Solo agreed on 80, just because she didn't kiss him, rim him, or let him finger her, I don't think he can short her $20 after he fucks her. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you're just asking for a whole lot of trouble. You want to be a justice warrior and stick to your principles by paying her $20 less for prostitution service down in Mexico? Be my guest. I think most of us would just learn and move on. You're already down $20 for the ST room you just paid. Might as well take the plunge.

Yeah I agree, not a good idea to pay the chica less than what you agreed upon. What I and a buddy have done is complain about her to the guys at the reception desk. They seem to take the complaint very seriously and get the chica's name and all the details. Not sure if they do anything about it but it seems like they do.

The measure of control that you have is to cancel the session and keep your money. You can always walk out if she changes the deal. Maybe she promised oral sin condom but insists on a CBJ in the room. Maybe she stopped being flirty and won't let you touch her breasts or won't kiss. Maybe she gets to the room and tries to take drinks from the minifridge or tells one of the hall boys to bring her a bucket without telling you. Or she just turns into a ***** and starts giving orders. Lots of reasons to bail on a deal, and that's a lot harder when she has your money. You aren't even risking the room, as most hotels will refund your money if you come out and complain -- or at least they will hold the room so you can go get another girl.

[KC Questor]

II was extremely new to peso then. Someone pointed out to me they probaly were screwing up the conversion and I probably would have been better paying in peso. I think you kind of touched on this but wanted to share my example that taught me. It is definately good to have both and know the value of both. Not needed but helpful.

Everyone makes mistakes when converting, especially after a few beers. Right now it is about the easiest it has been in years (since the peso was 10:1 with the dollar). At 20:1, most people can do that math pretty quickly and should realize when they get it wrong ("1800 pesos, so double it. That's $3600? No, $36? That can't be right. Bar girls are like $80-100. Ohh, don't double it, cut it in half! 1800 = $90 Perfect".

Back when pesos were around 14:1, I tried to offer a bar girl a decent rate in pesos. Standard at that time was $50-60 for a session so I converted $50 in my head. Instead of 50*14=700 pesos, I did 50/14 and got around 3. 50 which became 350 pesos in my head. She shook her head and wouldn't even negotiate and left right after that. A few minutes later, I realized that I had offered her essentially $25. I looked for her to explain but she was already with another guy.

[ScottHall]

What "measure of control"? Are you going to pay them less because you didn't get a good lay? Good luck with that. This hobby is a huge YMMV. If, for example, Solo agreed on 80, just because she didn't kiss him, rim him, or let him finger her, I don't think he can short her $20 after he fucks her. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you're just asking for a whole lot of trouble. You want to be a justice warrior and stick to your principles by paying her $20 less for prostitution service down in Mexico? Be my guest. I think most of us would just learn and move on. You're already down $20 for the ST room you just paid. Might as well take the plunge.

No it doesn't mean to pay them less. They'll call security if you change the deal LOL. Paying upfront loses your control because she doesn't have any incentive to provide great service since she already has the cash. It's pushy and greedy so why would you let them tell you what to do? Good providers don't even mention payment until the session is over. El Capitan talks a big game but that was a clinic on how to do amateur night. The girl is basically telling you her service is garbage by not even accepting a drink from him. Yet he still took her up and paid upfront for bad service anyways.

[SpeedToys]

Here it is bros. Although I've gone to la zona for a long time, I've never gone into HK, Adelitas or any other strip club. I did go to the 7th floor speakeasy once. When I go to the zona, I stick to the paraditas. Am I missing out?

How are you not?

[AmorPorFavor]

What "measure of control"? Are you going to pay them less because you didn't get a good lay? Good luck with that. This hobby is a huge YMMV. If, for example, Solo agreed on 80, just because she didn't kiss him, rim him, or let him finger her, I don't think he can short her $20 after he fucks her. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you're just asking for a whole lot of trouble. You want to be a justice warrior and stick to your principles by paying her $20 less for prostitution service down in Mexico? Be my guest. I think most of us would just learn and move on. You're already down $20 for the ST room you just paid. Might as well take the plunge.

Yeah I agree, not a good idea to pay the chica less than what you agreed upon. What I and a buddy have done is complain about her to the guys at the reception desk. They seem to take the complaint very seriously and get the chica's name and all the details. Not sure if they do anything about it but it seems like they do.

[Urfikhan]

Here it is bros. Although I've gone to la zona for a long time, I've never gone into HK, Adelitas or any other strip club. I did go to the 7th floor speakeasy once. When I go to the zona, I stick to the paraditas. Am I missing out?

I think you are getting the best value for the money. And as the Captain has pointed out many times, if you have cultivated long term relationships with Street Girls, you are easily making your money work for you 3 to 4 times better!

[VitoDerEine]

Here it is bros. Although I've gone to la zona for a long time, I've never gone into HK, Adelitas or any other strip club. I did go to the 7th floor speakeasy once. When I go to the zona, I stick to the paraditas. Am I missing out?

[Jackie888]

Kudos to you, Captain, for recognizing and walking away from the price gougers. If only more people would follow your lead.

I was at HK and AB for probably 4-6 hours on separate occasions last week with the exit doors visible at all times. During that time, I saw one chica pulled from AB and 3 from HK. You're right, they're pricing themselves out of business just as I have predicted all along. Personally, I don't feel even the slightest shred of sympathy for them.

I always tell a woman that their friends charge $60 before I walk away.

[SinfullyKorean]

O Captain! My Captain! Would you pay a waiter for a meal you haven't eaten? Would you pay a bartender for a drink you haven't drunk? Would you pay a barber for a haircut you haven't received? Then, why oh why would you pay a puta, one of the world's flakiest and most unreliable life forms, for pussy you haven't gotten? Once that money leaves your hand you lose whatever measure of control you may have had over the situation.

What "measure of control"? Are you going to pay them less because you didn't get a good lay? Good luck with that. This hobby is a huge YMMV. If, for example, Solo agreed on 80, just because she didn't kiss him, rim him, or let him finger her, I don't think he can short her $20 after he fucks her. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you're just asking for a whole lot of trouble. You want to be a justice warrior and stick to your principles by paying her $20 less for prostitution service down in Mexico? Be my guest. I think most of us would just learn and move on. You're already down $20 for the ST room you just paid. Might as well take the plunge.

[LivingFossil]

I went to Tijuana a bunch last year and I concluded that if I'm going to be there for a few days $80 for 30 m with a HK girl is not for me.

For $80-100 you can get a hot escort delivered at your comfy hotel room with BBBJ for a whole hour and do multiple shots. There's always a few paraditas that are worth the $30 if you want a quickie. Of course HK has the hottest girls and you can actually see them and grope them but once back in the room sessions are CBJ, one shot, and not full chill mode.

HK is my favorite club, and I have met many fun girls there but I can't drop $1,000 on quickies when I need to FK a dozen girls that for a long weekend, LOL.

$1,000 is two weeks of long sex sessions with very hot Colombians.

[Hadez]

In the zona, it's generally just fine to use dollars. Hotels and bars set their prices based on dollars, so the cost of your room or for drinks is pretty much the same either way. If they are using 19:1 to set prices and you can get 20:1 at the exchange, you will save a tiny amount (about 5%) by using pesos. But it's not worth the hassle for a lot of guys. How good are you at math? Can you divide and multiply by the exchange rate fairly quickly? It's pretty easy right now at about 20:1, but still a bit of mental math. Also, it's a lot easier for the meseros to cheat you a bit if you use pesos. Say a drink is 78 pesos. You give him a 200 peso bill and he returns with a 50 peso bill and a handful of change. Are you familiar enough with pesos to fish out a 10p or 20p coin? Or do you just tip him a 50p note ($2.50)? However, if you give him a US $20 bill he'll bring back the change in dollars and you can just hand him $1.

As far as the bar girls, they are used to taking dollars and will quote those prices. Some girls may be willing to negotiate in pesos, but some won't. I've had a girl ask for $80 and when I asked for her peso rate she pulled up a calculator and said "1580 pesos". Some girls will ask for more in pesos than in dollars, because dollars are going up in value. Others will take less in pesos because they can spend them in more places. It's a crapshoot as to whether pesos will save you money or not with bar girls.

Now with street girls, pesos are the way to go. They think in pesos and often use a 10:1 conversion rate for convenience. So they will ask for $30 or 300 pesos ($15) for basic service. Pesos are the way to go with street girls.

Escort agencies will vary. Some only post a dollar rate and you have to call to ask their peso rate, which changes based on the value of the dollar. In those places, dollars are your best bet. Some agencies post a peso and a dollar rate, so look at the rates and decide. Musas, for example, charges roughly $10 more if you pay with dollars (1600 vs $90/1900 vs $105).

In general, you won't lose much money paying with dollars (except for the street girls). And besides the actual exchange rate there is the added hassle of exchanging dollars for pesos. You have to stop at a cambio, maybe stand in line, and exchange your dollars for pesos. If you don't spend all the pesos, you have to then stop and change them back (and you lose money when you do that). For a lot of guys who just want a quick, casual trip to the zona it's just a whole lot easier to stick with dollars.

I am an amatuer at the peso still thanks for the knowledge. It is a small club thing but sometimes I do go to a smaller club just to check out what they got going on. Saw a really cute freak there once who I was dying to take to the room. They keep quoting really high prices that did not make sense in dollor or peso. I was extremely new to peso then. Someone pointed out to me they probaly were screwing up the conversion and I probably would have been better paying in peso. I think you kind of touched on this but wanted to share my example that taught me. It is definately good to have both and know the value of both. Not needed but helpful.

[Hadez]

My Zona group noticed some level of price gouging at HK even in 2019. I had spoken with a few hot ladies who not do drinks. Sexo only. I do not like this because the drink is essentially the low paid interveiw. I get to tell how much fun the trip to the room will be.

We do not have a problem paying $100 but what will she give for that? Maybe a hour instead of 30 min? Maybe some other extra service? If a girl wants $100 she better sell it. Being hot is not good enough for me. My trophy case is packed with all kinds of races of beautiful women.

If she can not sell it I politely say no. And move on to one of the 100's of other girls in that club. Another club. Or the street.

Kudos to you, Captain, for recognizing and walking away from the price gougers. If only more people would follow your lead.

I was at HK and AB for probably 4-6 hours on separate occasions last week with the exit doors visible at all times. During that time, I saw one chica pulled from AB and 3 from HK. You're right, they're pricing themselves out of business just as I have predicted all along. Personally, I don't feel even the slightest shred of sympathy for them.

[Captain Solo]

Babe Magnet.

Lots of guys lost their jobs under CoVid, cannot afford sessions with girls, or take them to hotel then stiff them. Recently all HK girls have been asking for money upfront. Suki clearly negotiated payment upfront in the club before going.

I knew Lydia for years, was surprised she insisted on money upfront this time. I knew HK girls were hungry. She was working hard in the club to book sessions. I was too nice to her, never suspected she would treat me badly in bed later on. She was avoiding all close contact with me. CoVid really screwed up out sexy life. In retrospect, I should have walked out on her and demand Cascada's refund. That would teach her a good lesson.

The bros should negotiate details of the sessions with the girls, including pagar despues, in the bar before going to the hotel If deals turn sour in the room, the bros should walk out and go to front desk, make complaints and insist on refund. Cascada has always given me full refund when deals were botched in the room.

[Babe Magnet]

She wanted money upfront... It was like sex by a remote control. There was no embracing, kissing, fingering, no closeness between us.

O Captain! My Captain! Would you pay a waiter for a meal you haven't eaten? Would you pay a bartender for a drink you haven't drunk? Would you pay a barber for a haircut you haven't received? Then, why oh why would you pay a puta, one of the world's flakiest and most unreliable life forms, for pussy you haven't gotten? Once that money leaves your hand you lose whatever measure of control you may have had over the situation.