Hong Kong Club Reports

[LuisMora]

There are no guaranteed signals that predict whether a session will be great or terrible. With that said, I think most in the hobby would agree there is a decent correlation between paying first and bad sessions. Of course there are exceptions because one of my best sessions ever in Sonora was a pay in advance situation. I disagree with your statement regarding a free bang because workings girls don't bang for free.

I agree there is a general correlation between paying first and a bad session, but I will disagree that, at least in Tijuana bars, that paying first causes the generally worse sessions. This is a classic "Correlation does not imply causation" situation. When a girl is happy and comfortable with a client, she is much more likely to not worry so much about getting paid first. What's causing the pay-after sessions to be better is the positive feelings of the girl, not when she's paid. If a girl asks a client to pay first and the client argues or forces her to wait until after, that will just make her even more uncomfortable / unhappy and make the service even worse. As noted by many, it's not like you will be able to withhold payment if her performance doesn't meet your expectations.

So yea, I always hope there will be no discussion of payment before, but if she does ask for me to pay first I quickly pay up and keep things nice, happy, and fun. I'm not going to start some unsexy contentious discussion and increase the chances of a terrible session even more.

[DramaFree11]

So much wisdom in this post. I do not like paying first. I usually try to avoid it if possible. But, I rely on the ficha process to assess what the session would be like. Granted, my process is not as efficient as others. I only go arrriba unless we are really compatible and enjoy the time and drinks together. That is the time where I think you can most impact the quality of the session. If she is comfortable with you, and vice versa, handing her the money you've already agreed to is unlikely to hurt the session. Just the opposite, arguing over the timing of payment can kill the rapport you earned.

But the flaw in my process would be if you are not interviewing the girl. If I was to just walk up to a chica and negotiate arriba immediately, I would probably handle it differently.

Totally correct, you should interview her and the best way is over a drink and even better try to get her to go to Azul. If she agrees to this then you are probably in for a nice session, but it ultimately boils down to chemistry / trust.

[LuvMexicanas]

This difference is purely your own decision on what is worth arguing about. For you, $10-20 is no big deal but $50-100 is. For other guys, $50-100 may not be worth bothering with. For other guys, $10-20 makes a difference. For some guys, it's the principle rather than the dollar amount. If I negotiate $60 and she says "Oh, now it's $80," I'm done with her even if I would have paid $80 to begin with.

Every guy should decide for himself what he is willing to put up with and where he draws the line.

I agree with you. There are so many options and this isn't Love Connection. You're paying for sex without obligations.

[KC Questor]

Arguing with girls over $10-20, this is just not worth it. Again you will lose out on some amazing nights. Now if it is $50-100, then yes negotiate.

This difference is purely your own decision on what is worth arguing about. For you, $10-20 is no big deal but $50-100 is. For other guys, $50-100 may not be worth bothering with. For other guys, $10-20 makes a difference. For some guys, it's the principle rather than the dollar amount. If I negotiate $60 and she says "Oh, now it's $80," I'm done with her even if I would have paid $80 to begin with.

Every guy should decide for himself what he is willing to put up with and where he draws the line.

[Dcrist0527]

I had an Italian Guy give some advice:.

1. I could be a Millionaire or Live like Millionaire, he choose to live like millionaire.

2. Live for the moment, do not look backwards.

3. Everyone lies and aggregates.

I have been all over Latin America, Ukraine, Russia and parts of Latin America. These guys claim and tell you not to pay the girls in advance. Sounds great, but In reality probably will not work, unless very low end girls. Even if you get a girl to agree to this at HK, try not to pay her after bad service. You will be in a world of hurt unless you are a regular and know security, even then it probably will not help. You definitely do not want to play that game. Again you are arguing about something that, will ultimately cause you to lose our on the great experience, with some amazing girls, sorry just not worth the hassle, most of the girls will never agree to this in any destinations, unless you know them..

So much wisdom in this post. I do not like paying first. I usually try to avoid it if possible. But, I rely on the ficha process to assess what the session would be like. Granted, my process is not as efficient as others. I only go arrriba unless we are really compatible and enjoy the time and drinks together. That is the time where I think you can most impact the quality of the session. If she is comfortable with you, and vice versa, handing her the money you've already agreed to is unlikely to hurt the session. Just the opposite, arguing over the timing of payment can kill the rapport you earned.

But the flaw in my process would be if you are not interviewing the girl. If I was to just walk up to a chica and negotiate arriba immediately, I would probably handle it differently.

[Dcrist0527]

I've had sex with working girls for free and I'm very low income, older than any working girl, and below average looking. I guess, I spent enough time in zona to find woman who liked my company despite only knowing 50 words in Spanish. Some girls, even HK, lowered her rate to 30 when I kept saying no. Other girls came to my hotel after work. So if a guy is 35 and under, in shape, and average looking he's going to find girls who desire his company, if he invests the time. But if I was that guy, I'd just do mostly tinder and a little bit of zona.

I have had some freebies as well. For me, those are cultivated friendships over time. I talk to a few on a regular basis. But because they throw me a bone once in a while, they aren't working at the bars for no reason. Back to your point that I disagree with, just because they are "interested in money" doesn't mean the sex is bad. If that is your premise, why would you ever go to the zona?

[DramaFree11]

I had an Italian Guy give some advice:.

1. I could be a Millionaire or Live like Millionaire, he choose to live like millionaire.

2. Live for the moment, do not look backwards.

3. Everyone lies and aggregates.

I have been all over Latin America, Ukraine, Russia and parts of Latin America. These guys claim and tell you not to pay the girls in advance. Sounds great, but In reality probably will not work, unless very low end girls. Even if you get a girl to agree to this at HK, try not to pay her after bad service. You will be in a world of hurt unless you are a regular and know security, even then it probably will not help. You definitely do not want to play that game. Again you are arguing about something that, will ultimately cause you to lose our on the great experience, with some amazing girls, sorry just not worth the hassle, most of the girls will never agree to this in any destinations, unless you know them.

A lot of guys lie and exaggerate to try and to make themselves look good. A lot of these guys never write any reports on any pages.

Another example, guys in Ukraine / Russia tell you never to pay for the girls taxi, see how far that gets you. Again over $5-10, or less you could lose out on awesome night, just not worth it.

Arguing with girls over $10-20, this is just not worth it. Again you will lose out on some amazing nights. Now if it is $50-100, then yes negotiate.

When I adopted some of these strategies at Hk, my experience got way better.

[Dogers69]

I'd love to know who the working girls are that aren't worried about money. In 95% of my sessions, I only go arriba with a girl that I connect with. But at no time do I think any of them aren't worried about money. Certainly, some are more eager or enjoy your company. But thinking they don't worry about the money is just not reality.

I've had sex with working girls for free and I'm very low income, older than any working girl, and below average looking. I guess, I spent enough time in zona to find woman who liked my company despite only knowing 50 words in Spanish. Some girls, even HK, lowered her rate to 30 when I kept saying no. Other girls came to my hotel after work. So if a guy is 35 and under, in shape, and average looking he's going to find girls who desire his company, if he invests the time. But if I was that guy, I'd just do mostly tinder and a little bit of zona.

[KC Questor]

"El mariachi pagado toca mal son." ("The paid musician plays bad music.")

[Dcrist0527]

... So if she's all worried about money, yeah, sex is very likely to be bad...

I'd love to know who the working girls are that aren't worried about money. In 95% of my sessions, I only go arriba with a girl that I connect with. But at no time do I think any of them aren't worried about money. Certainly, some are more eager or enjoy your company. But thinking they don't worry about the money is just not reality.

[LuvMexicanas]

I probably only paid first on a bar girl once, and probably it was the one that was terrible. Of course she was hot. The other one that was bad, not terrible was a HK girl. Otherwise it's been other bar girls, and IMO, I don't go upstairs unless the girl is very horny during her drink. In other words, she's making out with me, I'm sucking her tits, her pussy is wet. It's at that point, and that point only that I go upstairs. Well the 2 bad experiences were the exception, I needed sex and was foolish. So my point is, if the sex is going to go well, she'd probably bang you for free cause she's horny. So if she's all worried about money, yeah, sex is very likely to be bad. Sometimes, I pay first, without them asking, because I don't want an argument after on the low price. A lot times I went upstairs just out of obligation to all the wonderful fooling around at the drink, and to her low price, begging me but I don't fear bad sex cause she was basically banging me during the drink almost.

There are no guaranteed signals that predict whether a session will be great or terrible. With that said, I think most in the hobby would agree there is a decent correlation between paying first and bad sessions. Of course there are exceptions because one of my best sessions ever in Sonora was a pay in advance situation. I disagree with your statement regarding a free bang because workings girls don't bang for free.

[Dogers69]

Just because you agree on paying after doesn't mean the session can't be shitty. I go with the flow, seems about 50/50 on rather or not a girl wants to be paid first.

I probably only paid first on a bar girl once, and probably it was the one that was terrible. Of course she was hot. The other one that was bad, not terrible was a HK girl. Otherwise it's been other bar girls, and IMO, I don't go upstairs unless the girl is very horny during her drink. In other words, she's making out with me, I'm sucking her tits, her pussy is wet. It's at that point, and that point only that I go upstairs. Well the 2 bad experiences were the exception, I needed sex and was foolish. So my point is, if the sex is going to go well, she'd probably bang you for free cause she's horny. So if she's all worried about money, yeah, sex is very likely to be bad. Sometimes, I pay first, without them asking, because I don't want an argument after on the low price. A lot times I went upstairs just out of obligation to all the wonderful fooling around at the drink, and to her low price, begging me but I don't fear bad sex cause she was basically banging me during the drink almost.

[Member #4722]

I think the monger credo "I will pay after because once she has the money she has no incentive" is a myth. She knows she is going to get the money from you regardless or she can cause a lot of major problems if you try to withhold funds once the clothes come off or any physical contact is initiated. I have found no correlation between good / bad sessions and paying before or after. Most bar girls I have met lately want money up front. With most of my escort sessions I leave the money in plain sight and they collect on the way out the door.

[SenorTJ]

Captain,

You break your own rule by paying first? - last time everyone I went upstairs asking for payment first. Is this getting more norm now? I only break this rule when I see no way around it and girl is hot. But there is risk of shitty service ones you pay. I also tried paying half first or putting money on table. But it's getting hard every visit.

Don't pay all upfront! Give her half, then show her the other half but keep it with your clothes.

That said, I have on occasion paid upfront and had an excellent time.

[Captain Solo]

To SamWise,

Usually the girls want pagar primero when they have surprises to spring on the guys, or they are new in HK, have never seen the guys before.

If the girls will not take off their clothes first, they may bee hiding their droopy boobs, saggy bellies or baby damages, and afraid you may bolt. Ruth de Monterrey took the money and showed her completely flat chest with pencil-eraser nip, looking like a cholo. Disgusted me, killed my boner. A pretty girl's body looked decent but still had an extremely repulsive dead fish odor. Some are new to the trade in HK and don't want to get cheated. I regretted bailing out on nice, hot girls like Gracia. I should have paid her.

Girls who have been working in HK a while would know me in the club just about every weekend, so never ask for front payment. In Arianna's case she took off her clothes with nothing to hide. Her body was just so beautiful and sexy. She was also nice and sweet in bed. I am glad I paid her upfront.

Guys just have to negotiate payment and service terms in the bar before going to the hotel and deal with the girls case by case. But if they get burned, just chalk it up to life' new learning experience and the normal costs of mongering.