Dubai Reports

[Goater]

Just thought I would share a simple story with you all, I sent a message to a few cute looking girls on Friendster asking if they would be interested in some extra cash.

Well I had some great replies, including some very funny ones but the outcome is that I now have 3 regular girls who I meet when we can and have some great fun.

To be honest I did this as I was sick of the clubs and bars here and thsi way I have found three great 'normal' girls.

[Nico Dub]

One funny thing with our telecom provider is that they are providing some internet access on mobile withou censorship.

As mentioned by Cons68 Arab companies do seem to have no problem not paying the infidels their money.

The super profitable, thieving and censoring telecom company over here owes my previous employer, about 3 million.

Nothing one can do about it.

[Mad Hatter]

As mentioned by Cons68 Arab companies do seem to have no problem not paying the infidels their money.

The super profitable, thieving and censoring telecom company over here owes my previous employer, about 3 million.

Nothing one can do about it.

[Cons68]

Well, many consultancies will charge Arab clients in advance as they do not seem to have too much problem in not paying an infidel company...
Personally I never had problems, but I was lucky that I met some really good guys. I advise to be very careful when doing business here, not only to the WGs.

The next day ends with all four out at a club, having a good time. The boys make a "bathroom break" excuse and pull a runner on the girls, leaving them stranded at this bar, with no payment, and stuck with the bar bill.

[Sporadic]

If you ever wonder how stereotypes are born, here is an example. Two Stanis, suffering from the "Xmas blues" (less family type punters on the street) accept an offer to accompany two "Arabs" (expats, not Emiratis, but residents.)

They were a little concerned about the deal, but turns out ok, and they spend the night with these two "gents." Said punters, in the morning, tell the girls they want to extend the deal for another day, so all is well.

The next day ends with all four out at a club, having a good time. The boys make a "bathroom break" excuse and pull a runner on the girls, leaving them stranded at this bar, with no payment, and stuck with the bar bill.

Nice guys. Said WG´s then proceed to get read the riot act by their boss for not demanding payment up-front for at least the first night. As it turns out, a day or two later one of the lads does answer his mobile, and boss has a few select words for him, including "police", "publicity", a "visit to your villa" and/or "broken kneecaps." Our heroes now promise to pay up, and that it was all a mistake/misunderstanding. Yeah right.

Boss´ rant was all bluff, obviously, and has not yielded results after two days (can you say "change your phone number?") but illustrates where the "pay before" comes from.

I am semi-reliably informed that this stems from a deep-seated belief held by some ethnic groups that these are are all "fallen women" worthy of disdain at best.

Seaview Thursday: As reported, not too crowded, but almost every table "reserved" very early. You could actually move through the crowd at midnight. Plenty of talent on the ground, but I had brought a date. In a paranoid moment, did ask date to take her head off my shoulder in the taxi back to the hotel. I was not too worried, but while stuck in traffic, I was getting very hard stares (erect stares?) from a HGV driver in the next lane, who was not making positive comparisons to our relative positions at that moment. Can´t say as I blame him.

[Member #1071]

The usual dh100 for the house followed by 15 minutes negotiation for the lady's compensation package. Prices have apparently inflated enormously since the Shooter's last visit. She reluctantly accepted dh420 only after verifying that this constituted the full content of the Shooter's wallet.

Service when it finally began was satisfactory but not outstanding.

250-300 AED is the max. you have to pay in those PM's. They must have thought you are unfamiliar to the MP scene.

[Steamer33]

The Shooter has noticed a significant diminution of the MP ads in the Gulf News.

As widely reported in this forum, and confirmed by your info, LE purge which began at beginning of December has taken its toll. Many AMPs shut, some moved, most not advertising in GN for fear of LE raids.

On a brighter note, LE activity has certainly decreased in recent days according to my sources. But extreme discretion and caution still advised. I had one, unconfirmed, report of two LE cars and one LE van "mopping up" outside York at around 3.30am on New Year's Day - happy bloody new year.

Be careful out there.

Steamer33

[Warbucks]

Ok guys its not that serious, just call me old fashioned as I believe the thread titles are there for a reason.

I travel as much as any of you and read the thread for the country I intend to visit in order to get an idea of the scene in advance of arrival.

If I want discussion of the scene in Spain for instance I for one would expect to conduct it on the Spanish threads not the Dxb or any other forum. If I am in Manila and want to post about Manila I have and would do it on that thread etc. Of course you can refer to your trip in another thread but I reckon the detailed post belongs on the apropriate thread. The Dxb thread is widely read by people who have no intention or oportunity to visit and I am sure they actually want to read about Dxb not Manila.

Pretty simple concept and it helps the search engine work properly. Similarly I believe the photo threads should have photos - just have a look at some of the other countries photo threads where they mostly consist of opinion and discussion of pretty much anything other than photos.
The count shown is always your total count BTW.

Finally there is no reward in upping your post count unless you are a regular who wants to go up to senior. I do agree that the freedom to post what you want should be upheld.

It was my first trip just thought I would share don't worry I won't make it a habit...

Cheers and take it sleazy

[11Bravo]

Must be the 'hangover' from the holiday season. While all tables taken, not all that crowded, especially for a Thursday night. Plenty of room to move between the bar and tables. Unfortunately, Mr. Pre-mature lyrics has not taken a vacation; his life must be Groundhog Day, the SAME routine EVERY night. At least they get it out of the way early, so he can disappear.

Newest vocalist seems to have established herself, opening up more, having some fun onstage. Band excellent as usual, throwing in some new tunes, at least for me. They do have a wide range.

Some usual faces, some on dates. Other 'regulars' MIA, pre-booked or taking time off, who knows. Wg numbers a bit sparse, but still a couple of PRC and stani's who I could take home, no problem. Worth a miss for a 1st time/ST visitor, better 'stocked' clubs around, but after you've hit those, Seaview certainly worth a visit. Or bring a date from one of the other clubs - there is dancing to a dj between the band's sets. And the bar does have a pretty decent food menu.

[11Bravo]

Ok guys its not that serious, just call me old fashioned as I believe the thread titles are there for a reason.

Can it be that MK and I agree on something? Now, I wish my office desk were as well ordered as this forum, but still, I do try and keep work stuff in piles to the right, personal stuff in piles to the left. Point being, it's very easy to post a link here to a report elsewhere, especially without a full re-post (likewise no need to quote a full post - just the part needed for context).

an Arab guy who I had also noticed before decides he's going to stake a claim, so starts talking to J. the gist of the conversation was " I am a regular here, been with you before, you go with me tonight or neither I or my friends go with you / your little group again".

Repeat business does carry a lot of weight, even if used as a threat. About the only thing to do is walk away, or you could try the 'disappear, sms to meet outside' gambit.

If I have not mentioned it already the Hilton is super green, especially if you drive. Go straight to the u/ground carpark, lift brings you out to the side of the lobby and from there a brief walk to the lifts to the rooms. I have never once been challenged or asked to register a girl and absolutely nothing appears on the bill.

Good info. Thanks for posting.

Also, this was my first trip to Dubai over xmas, and although hotel prices are higher due to hol's etc, with expats out of town there seemed to be a lot of girls around with very favourable ratios.

Given that a lot of the 'preferred' customers (read westerner's) are either out of country on vacation, or busy with family, true statement, my experience anyway.

I don't know if its just me but if I put up several posts at one time then they all get the same count number so not a way of upping numbers.

Total count is provided, not incremental. Good way of establishing "weight".

Now the number 1 rule is don't pay up front if you can avoid it. Indeed some senior members have said it is a 'warning' flag when in negotiations if WG insist on this.

Depends on if you're "known" or not. If you are, then a "danger Will Robinson" for sure. If not... As you point out, could be from being ripped off herself. When a punter rips off a girl, bad for ALL of us, and I can't blame her for asking 'money up front' from some. If she's working for herself, bad, she's lost a night's salary. If she's working for someone else, REAL bad, as a lot more to lose than just a night's wages... the boss to answer to.

Now as others have said. If they insist on money up front there aint alot you can do. I've tried the half now half later suggestion but that rarely works.

So you can walk away or is there more to it in terms of negotiation. Undoubtedly 'gut instinct' is vital when sizing up a potential WG BUT these con artists (because. Lets face thats what they are) are gifted at going from hot to cold fast without warning and after your wallet is a lot lighter.

Myself, because I stick to the same clubs/circles, I don't mention it these days. But WAY back, when I was new here, I always did mention 'pay after' while still in the bar. If she disagreed, then I could consider the risk in the go/no-go decision. Likewise, if she knows your postion, she can also make that assessment before departing; it won't be a surprise to her back home.

And another reason to pull early. If problems arise, easy to return her to the "store" for a replacement. Of course, if you're in a hotel and have registered her, that becomes a bit more of a hassle. The disadvantage of pulling early (besides paying 'prime time' price) is that she does have an opportunity to return to the bar for the double header if she wants to do a 'pump and dump'.

The punter has the advantage in the bar, she at your place. Always a risk, but by not being shy and specifying everything up-front, that can be reduced as no surprises to either party. Of course, if she is a rip, she'll agree to everything with no intention of actually doing. Stereotyping, I'd say the "controlled" girl more prone to such, as it's not always her decision alone - the pressure to maximize income.

Last resort, once you've gotten the LT price, and knowing she wants to be paid first, you could always ask for a ST quote, paying such up front, asking for LT after. But in reality, too much work, for me anyway. I usually just take my chances, and, most times, no problems. If it's a true rip, then I just post her name and office, and move on.

[Steamer33]

10.45pm Radisson Deira
After a pleasant night at the Nad Al Sheba races (will be better when the carnival starts in two weeks time when they will run books in England and we can have a punt, but that's another adult game entirely) decided to revisit Radisson after my previous enjoyable evening there last Thursday.

Didn't bother with Kubu, straight into Marbles (lobby bar) and once again the band were on. The three girls looked stunning this week in little white dresses and the whole band seemed better musically.

The best looking singer even gave me a wave and a "nice to see you again" which was as unexpected as it was nice. Next time I'm there I'll try to get a picture of them, they didn't seem to mind tourists taking their pic.

Anyway, sat near the stage as before and scanned the scene. About 15 WGs in all, enough for such a small venue. About four to five PRCs, two African and the rest CIS, some trying to look more Arabesque than others.

Same two bleached blonde tired-looking CIS in attendance again, but rest were different faces to week before.

Few minutes pass then I notice - how could I miss her before! - a stunning rake slim PRC (just my type) sitting at the table next to me - two spare chairs alongside. While waiting for my drink to arrive it became clear she was on her own. Time to move tables when my drink arrives, I'm thinking. Just then her mobile rings. Long conversation. Leaves the money for her drink (hardly touched) on the table and she's off. Damn! Snooze and lose.

Sat sipping my pint and enjoying the band. One very good looking dark CIS, about 30, at the bar looking at me. Beckon her over. Lovely face and body and nicely dressed, not overly WG. Turns out she's from Tajikistan and we get chatting.

Boy, her story nearly broke my heart. Husband shot dead last year, two sons, one with her in Dubai, trying to support the other back home. We talk for a long time about life, tragedy and everything. I was sorely tempted to talk business with her and take her home but in the end my morality gene kicks in and I tell her I feel sorry for her but I have a GF and I can't take a lady. She looks sad and I feel like a bastard now but we chat some more.

Anyway, time for me to move on. She gives me lovely heartfelt kiss on each cheek, thanks me and off I go into the night.

I had a good feeling about this girl. She seemed very genuine (no BS I'm sure), never mentioned money once and I'm sure would have given a good time. Be interested to hear if anyone else knows her. Maybe I'll be tempted back next week (and leave the morality gene at home)! Who knows.

Be careful out there

Steamer33

[My Kapitan]

Ok guys its not that serious, just call me old fashioned as I believe the thread titles are there for a reason.

I travel as much as any of you and read the thread for the country I intend to visit in order to get an idea of the scene in advance of arrival.

If I want discussion of the scene in Spain for instance I for one would expect to conduct it on the Spanish threads not the Dxb or any other forum. If I am in Manila and want to post about Manila I have and would do it on that thread etc. Of course you can refer to your trip in another thread but I reckon the detailed post belongs on the apropriate thread. The Dxb thread is widely read by people who have no intention or oportunity to visit and I am sure they actually want to read about Dxb not Manila.

Pretty simple concept and it helps the search engine work properly. Similarly I believe the photo threads should have photos - just have a look at some of the other countries photo threads where they mostly consist of opinion and discussion of pretty much anything other than photos.
The count shown is always your total count BTW.

Finally there is no reward in upping your post count unless you are a regular who wants to go up to senior. I do agree that the freedom to post what you want should be upheld.

[Zing Uk]

How would "upping my post count benefit me? Do I win a free WG or some on the house VVSes? Give me a break. A couple post back a regular on this Dubai forum mentioned an experience in Thailand on this board. Is it that serious Kap?

I don't know if its just me but if I put up several posts at one time then they all get the same count number so not a way of upping numbers.

Also, I recently put up post about both London and the Philippines but both were more aimed at general discussion points rather than what general mongering I did when I was there so hoped they would have value to anyone going to these locations over the holiday period as I know they are both popular destinations (as is the Philippines). I generally agree with post what you like though, we can always skip if we don't want to read it and cost nothing.

Either way, glad you enjoyed your trip and Leep it Cocked,
Zing

[Warbucks]

BPd It may be a mute point but if I want to know what is happening in the Philippines I read that forum, indeed as you have posted the same report in the Philippines anyone could do so therefore I guess the only reason you have done so is to up your post count.

Other senior members (including me) manage to post their experiences in other countries on the appropriate thread and make simple refernces to those posts in the Dxb threads.

This certainly is a VVses (Very Very Strange Entry Strategy).

How would "upping my post count benefit me? Do I win a free WG or some on the house VVSes? Give me a break. A couple post back a regular on this Dubai forum mentioned an experience in Thailand on this board. Is it that serious Kap?

[My Kapitan]

Cross posting since Dubai is the home base. [/url]

BPd It may be a mute point but if I want to know what is happening in the Philippines I read that forum, indeed as you have posted the same report in the Philippines anyone could do so therefore I guess the only reason you have done so is to up your post count.

Other senior members (including me) manage to post their experiences in other countries on the appropriate thread and make simple refernces to those posts in the Dxb threads.

This certainly is a VVses (Very Very Strange Entry Strategy).