Dubai Reports

[Fifty Fifty]

.................ease off the damn estrogen Brav.

As reasonably mature thinking adults, some of us being ''very mature'', in my opinion we do not need the ''Moral Police'' to instruct us as to what we should and should not do here on ''our'' Forum.

Jackson runs the show, and very well too, there is a comprehensive set of rules regarding posts and that is all we need to abide by.

Yes, this is a Forum, a place for debate, information and posting of life experiences that may or may not be of benefit to other members.

What is it not is a site for the ''Moral Table Thumpers'' to excercise their minds in an attempt to ''Police the Show''.

Yes, we should continue to post views, discuss matters etc etc, but some of us are getting a little fed up of the continuos ''opinionations'' that are now following virtually every post.

In my opinion, the original post was a valid one, the member was merely informing us all of an occurrence regarding a Photo Post and relaying his view on the matter and how he felt, personally.

We can all relate to the matter and post our thoughts, but..........

Next as MK suggests the "Moral Police'' will be asking for the Photo Thread to be removed, then it will be ''Do not post any references to the club you picked the girl up in...just in case'' and so on...

Lets get it back to reality guys, yes these are 'normal' girls, yes they have families and friends who they do not wish know about their 'working life' but at the end of the day, they are doing what they do and we are the end product customers. The girls know the score, some may arrive naive, but it doesnt take long for them to learn the ropes, we all know that from experience with some very 'new to the game' girls we have had in the past.

I have taken lots of pictures, always with the girls permission, but I have never told them they may be posted on this site and I see no reason to ask to do it now, despite certain Senior Members 'telling me' that this is what I should do.

Thanks 11B, but NO THANKS, I will read the FR's and interpret them myself in future.

OK Yes, I have ''Sliced and Diced'', we can all do it, but not every bloody time!!!


Cheers, FF

[Warbucks]

Why does everything have to be about personal gain? Since when is giving someone a head's up a bad thing?

After all

• If you've received truly informed consent, then what's the problem - she knows.
• If you haven't asked (explaining EXACTLY where it will be posted) and received permission, then why not? Afraid of the answer?

What I think is ironic is that those who complain the most never show themselves in the photos. If it's not such a big deal to have her photo here, then why not the punter?

I lump people like you, as Wiseblood213 said, into the "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain" types, the "I can do anything I want", which, and let me be VERY clear, I despise.

I don't intend to save anyone, but I also don't exploit anyone either, outside of what they've agreed to. Myself, I stand by, and take responsibility for, my actions; I don't have to cry, "why, why, why?"

In the lingo they use back home Bravo..."You got me fucked up" translated into normal english it means you have me very misunderstood. I Don't think for one second just because a guy is paying for it he should be able abuse the girl and treat her less then any other woman he would on a date. I for one always try to hide the girls faces when I post. I let a Thai girl face be shown once about a year ago and I felt bad about it.

I think like you do that these women one day will want to lead normal lives and they have families and such who probably have no idea what their occupation is. All I am saying why tell the girl if you know her? What is the benefit of it? It causes unnecessary anxiety for all the parties involved. Lets not also forget what they do for a living and lets not forget the purpose of this site. Another damn thing don't lump me no where bruh. You know me and my mentality just about well as you know Noman Bates or any other colorful character you have never met...ease off the damn estrogen Brav.

[Piper1]

... it might be good for Jackson to clearly state the procedure for having pics removed after they are posted.

It's already there. See "Photo removal policy" top left of screen on the main page in "Hotlinks". (I tried posting the link, but due to my proxy, no luck. Anway, it's easy to find).

[Funfor Females]

Just a quicky on the current debate about accidental or reckless identification of WGs by posting pics.

Whilst I have nothing clever to contribute to the philosophy of this debate, as a practical proposition it might be good for Jackson to clearly state the procedure for having pics removed after they are posted.

If Jackson were to provide the procedural advice we could then all review the pics we have posted and re-think whether we actually want the pics to remain accessible. The judgement must be a personal and mature one taken with integrity.

[Cons68]

I obviously wasn't clear -

Please do not take like that. The points raised here are very valid and I wanted to give my views on something I have been thinking for some time.

My feeling: how would the punter feel if his photo was posted on a site "Pays prostitutes for Sex"? Perhaps not what he'd like the family/neighbors/employer to see, huh?

Being there done that: 9AM Monday news in Kansas... oh well. BTW the girls talk with each other. Believe me, they talk. What is different is that their words are not stored on a medium that is both permanent and universally accessible.

I have no trouble with reviews and FR's, for the very reasons you state. That's the purpose of this forum as far as I'm concerned - where to go, what the scene is, the lessons learned. I seriously doubt given the number of punters in dxb compared with the number of members here that a negative review could really damage someone's income, yet I too am careful of too much identifying info, unless she's an out-and-out ripoff. Just because she wasn't the greatest for me doesn't mean she wouldn't be someone else's best. Likewise, my best could be someone else's 'why bother' (the ole YMMV). I'd worry more about someone DEMANDING "You did this for him - do if for me."

Well, that worry is VERY sensible. You agree a price and a menu. The price can depend on many things, some of them objective (timing, ratio of punters) but other are also very subjective (call me a moron but I think the girl may like you better than other candidates either because she knows you or because you took a shower less than 4 weeks ago). But by simply disclosing the price you could be revealing her reservation price. Just a reminder in many contracts buyers can not reveal the price.

And the menu is still more subjective. If she does anal with you she may not want to do it with other punter. Again, your concern is VERY relevant.

If a girl saw one of my reviews, I'd have no problem with it. But like you say, it's really not for her, it's for other punters. I wouldn't show it to her, but I wouldn't squirm if she saw it either.

When sitting in front of a keyboard we should always remember that what we write today will come back to haunt us in future. So we should try to write FR that even if it makes us uncomfortable to share with the provider at least it does not ashame us.

Again, what I despise is the attitude "I paid, I can do anything I want" where that means infringing on her right to privacy by posting her photo on an internet site about prostitutes. Yes, she is one, without a doubt, but that's between you and her in the privacy of your room. I've yet to meet a girl who considered this her career, and once done here, most plan to go home, forget dxb, and try and live happily ever after. I hope they do.

We agree on this, but agreeing on principle is relatively easy. The devil is on the details and on how we find the equilibrium, always a very personal thing.

What I think it is behind this is that we can look at this hobby of us either as a commodity-based one where all buyers are charged the same for equivalent menu and quality or as a highly customized one where each deal depends the identity of the buyer and seller and probably both parties would agree to different terms with different players. And as punters of course we would like to get French cuisine at McDonalds prices... and of course from the girls perspective nothing better than McDonalds food at Nouvelle Cuisine prices

In my experience it always start as the first, with a deal purely on price and menu, and we all feel comfortable reporting about this but in a few cases it moves into something more personalized and then you may have some remorse about having disclosed certain information... Oh well, I am a little too philosophical. My apologies.

[11Bravo]

I dont think the fact that a guy posts a picture means he carries that attitude. Piper WR myself all post pics and I do not believe anyone of us mistreats or otherwise abuses the girls, in fact I would say the opposite is true.

If she agrees, with full knowledge, I have no problem with it. If she hasn't, then I do.

Saying the girls think the internet is for email only is naive, many of the girls I saw in Dubai were interested in using the link at my place for looking at RU sites and music sites. Maybe the Asians are different but I think not.

My experience different. Some certainly knowledgeable, but most just e-mail or use the internet to call home. The concept there is a site about prostitutes, with photos, is unknown to most and most I know would NOT like their photo there. They don't even want their photos shown to other girls...

[My Kapitan]

Again, what I despise is the attitude "I paid, I can do anything I want" where that means infringing on her right to privacy by posting her photo on an internet site about prostitutes. Yes, she is one, without a doubt, but that's between you and her in the privacy of your room.

I dont think the fact that a guy posts a picture means he carries that attitude. Piper WR myself all post pics and I do not believe anyone of us mistreats or otherwise abuses the girls, in fact I would say the opposite is true. Next you will be asking that the photo thread is removed - watch Jackson's revenue decline after that.....

Saying the girls think the internet is for email only is naive, many of the girls I saw in Dubai were interested in using the link at my place for looking at RU sites and music sites. Maybe the Asians are different but I think not.

[11Bravo]

And here I have to declare myself guilty, I have never asked the girl permission to post a report. I am sorry if you despise me too for this, but I think this is a reasonable middle ground. Yes I post a report because I feel entitled to it. I think it helps other people avoid mistakes, but I know each mistake we save somebody here it is is a hit on the revenue of some providers. I try to protect their privacy and at the same time give useful information, there is always a tradeoff involved when you have mutually exclusive targets.

I consider certain things implicit:
- their right to privacy,
- my right to privacy, and
- my right to share my opinion on their performance with interested parties

I obviously wasn't clear - my comments were specifically addressed to posting photos without explicit, knowledgeable consent. For the very reason you state - right to privacy.

My feeling: how would the punter feel if his photo was posted on a site "Pays prostitutes for Sex"? Perhaps not what he'd like the family/neighbors/employer to see, huh?

I have no trouble with reviews and FR's, for the very reasons you state. That's the purpose of this forum as far as I'm concerned - where to go, what the scene is, the lessons learned. I seriously doubt given the number of punters in dxb compared with the number of members here that a negative review could really damage someone's income, yet I too am careful of too much identifying info, unless she's an out-and-out ripoff. Just because she wasn't the greatest for me doesn't mean she wouldn't be someone else's best. Likewise, my best could be someone else's 'why bother' (the ole YMMV). I'd worry more about someone DEMANDING "You did this for him - do if for me."

If a girl saw one of my reviews, I'd have no problem with it. But like you say, it's really not for her, it's for other punters. I wouldn't show it to her, but I wouldn't squirm if she saw it either.

Again, what I despise is the attitude "I paid, I can do anything I want" where that means infringing on her right to privacy by posting her photo on an internet site about prostitutes. Yes, she is one, without a doubt, but that's between you and her in the privacy of your room. I've yet to meet a girl who considered this her career, and once done here, most plan to go home, forget dxb, and try and live happily ever after. I hope they do.

[11Bravo]

BTW - I don't tell them the website I post photos on, but I'm sure they realize it's not going to be "Home and Garden Magazine".

While some girls may be internet savy, I think most are not, they equating internet with e-mail (what they are familiar with). The universality and longevity of the net is not understood.

And while they might not think "Home and Gardens", I doubt few realize they'll end up on a site SPECIFICALLY about prostitutes.

Full disclosure would be: "Can I post your photo on the internet on a site about prostitutes that is accessable by anyone anywhere in the world?"

[Cons68]

hi 11Bravo,
Not sure if this is what the original poster intended, but I would like to add a few thoughts here.
First, I do not post pictures, so I will comment only on the feedback remarks.

I think many of us come from a professional environment where feedback is a routine part of the job. And if we are going to be honest, it is essentially bullshit. When you provide feedback to your boss it is anonymized... how great for people who have been stuck in the same project for the whole period and where the only reportee. And feedback top-down it is usually an exercise in rancour and/or trying to justify your more senior position by finding "areas to improve".

So, if this is the situation with people whose job description involves that, I can imagine that some people may fell more than a little bit of discomfort when presented with feedback they provided about their recreational-activities partners. This may be for different reasons, sometimes because bragging/exaggeration (and then I think it is well deserved), but sometimes it may have to be with being too candorous in the appraisal of the performance.

I know that on an ideal world providers should use this information to either improve their performance or reallocate their creative potential to another activity where they can achieve better returns. And certainly I could start my activities by playing a recorded message stating this session could be recorded to improve customer service. And I also remember the wise words of my professor of Organizational Behaviour, "never give feedback to somebody who is not interested in it".

I know that in a perfect world one should be able to stand behind his/her own words under any circumstances. And sure the Duke always did, but for the rest of us it may be very hard to be confronted with a less than glamourous review that we provided expecting it to be unseen to the other party. Very few people appreciate receiving a poor evaluation, and many will go defensive; from their point of view it may make perfect sense, they do this to support their families while we do it for entertainment. So receiving bad reviews may have a negative impact on their ability to support their loved ones. And even if the review is good, they may feel "hurt" that certain details are disclosed.

And here I have to declare myself guilty, I have never asked the girl permission to post a report. I am sorry if you despise me too for this, but I think this is a reasonable middle ground. Yes I post a report because I feel entitled to it. I think it helps other people avoid mistakes, but I know each mistake we save somebody here it is is a hit on the revenue of some providers. I try to protect their privacy and at the same time give useful information, there is always a tradeoff involved when you have mutually exclusive targets.

In my case it is simple: The ones who get a repeat call they know, the one who do not, also know. I prefer it that way than giving them access to the more detailed reports I may write for my fellow mongers. I would also feel very uncomfortable having to discuss each of them with the provider; I consider certain things implicit:
- their right to privacy,
- my right to privacy, and
- my right to share my opinion on their performance with interested parties

Sorry if this is maybe too long and not properly structured. It may be better placed in one of the more editorial forums.

PS: I do not post pictures because honestly, I do not feel personally comfortable with that. It is true that some of my pictures have been posted and anybody who knows me well could recognize my big pale ass. However I can live with that risk.

PS2: It is 2048 and the chinese miss Y is sleeping to recover some energies... what is wrong with today's youth?

Why does everything have to be about personal gain? Since when is giving someone a head's up a bad thing?

After all

• If you've received truly informed consent, then what's the problem - she knows.
• If you haven't asked (explaining EXACTLY where it will be posted) and received permission, then why not? Afraid of the answer?

What I think is ironic is that those who complain the most never show themselves in the photos. If it's not such a big deal to have her photo here, then why not the punter?

I lump people like you, as Wiseblood213 said, into the "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain" types, the "I can do anything I want", which, and let me be VERY clear, I despise.

I don't intend to save anyone, but I also don't exploit anyone either, outside of what they've agreed to. Myself, I stand by, and take responsibility for, my actions; I don't have to cry, "why, why, why?"

[Piper1]

Had a great night out at Troyka (Russian Restaurant and Cabaret Club, Ascot Hotel, Bank Street). 200DH for all you can eat lavish buffet, including fresh seafood, and all you can drink (beer, wine spirits just kept on flowing all night without asking for it). Great floor-show all night. Waitresses dressed in traditional Russian wench-like outfits. I remember Kapitan posting a few phone-cam shots of the cabaret once. Highly recommended place for a fun night out with GF or wife etc. Mostly Russian clientele.

I was having such a great time eating and drinking and generally making merry, that when my pal pointed out to our wives there were a few WGs in the place, I said "Really, where?" They thought I was being a smartass. I scanned the scene, and sure enough - there were about 5 or 6 in the place (all stunners, all well-presented and low key, but making WG eye-contact).

[11Bravo]

It is beyond comprehension why some members would do such a thing. What do they hope to gain?

Why does everything have to be about personal gain? Since when is giving someone a head's up a bad thing?

After all

• If you've received truly informed consent, then what's the problem - she knows.
• If you haven't asked (explaining EXACTLY where it will be posted) and received permission, then why not? Afraid of the answer?

What I think is ironic is that those who complain the most never show themselves in the photos. If it's not such a big deal to have her photo here, then why not the punter?

I lump people like you, as Wiseblood213 said, into the "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain" types, the "I can do anything I want", which, and let me be VERY clear, I despise.

I don't intend to save anyone, but I also don't exploit anyone either, outside of what they've agreed to. Myself, I stand by, and take responsibility for, my actions; I don't have to cry, "why, why, why?"

[Warbucks]

Following a very unpleasant situation yesterday morning, I would like to share my experience in an attempt to help focus people’s attention on the content of their FRs.

I'm still hoping that Jackson will agree to remove one of my reports with (non-nude) photos in the Bahrain thread, following a call that I received from the very upset girl in question. Someone had seen my post, identified her and sent her an email with the attachments.

I thought I had made sufficient effort to conceal her identity but clearly I was wrong and the full effect of my lack of judgment is now being felt. Many of the girls who do this work have families back home, living in ignorant bliss of why they are really here. So the girls are naturally concerned that, if discovered, the consequences could be dire.

The fallout from yesterday is:
-The girl is suffering extreme anxiety through fear of any reaction that may arise from her loved ones back home.
-I now feel like a low life scumbag
-A very sweet girl now agrees with this view
- I doubt whether I can show my face in the club again given that all her girlfriends are obviously aware.

I hope that great pics continue to be posted but I would advise a degree of soul searching and selectivity before committing – for among us paying members, there are individuals who have no problem in divulging the material we choose to share with other members to those whom you would least want to see it.

I was never a prolific pic poster but the bitter taste left after this affair will probably pull the plug on any further photos from me.

In another forum I belong to which focuses solely on the Philippines you have these Captain-Save-A-Hoes showing the bar girls their photos mostly in compromising positions and what other members have written about them. It is beyond comprehension why some members would do such a thing. What do they hope to gain?

[Glashuette]

Went to both these places.

Broadway has AED 50/- as an entry charge.
Moscow has AED 100/- as an entry fee.

Both offer 1 drink free.

The Places were packed.
Many Women & many Men.

The rates in Moscow were higher than Broadway.

M = 1000/- AED
B = 700/-AED

Both offered in call services @ 600 to 700 AED.

The quality of girls was good - 7/10.
Could have been better, but the 'attitude' was very very crass.

Did not like nor did I enjoy.
Most of the girls were from Armenia etc.

[Glashuette]

Was in DBX for some work;
Went to York International Hotel in Bur Dibai.
Paid 50 AED to enter.
Went to 1st floor. 1 drink is included in the price.

The Club was on the 1st floor.
Filled with ladies.
All had occupied different sections of the chub.
Chinese
Africans
Kazaks
Ukranians / Russians

Prices were high - compared to the quality that was on offer.

Took 2 girls.
1 Chinese - Ko Ko.
1 Madagaskar - Aida.

The Girls were very very different. In looks and in performance.
Ko Ko had the worst breath I have ever encountered. Flawless Skin & hige Tits.
Aida was 5' 10" tall & slim but well filled in.
Ko-Ko was no anal, but Aida permitted.

The Charges were 500 & 400 for each - full night.

Overall experiance was 5/10.