Dubai Reports

[Piper1]

From photo thread.

Piper1:
A myth....
an hero
an example....
a life to follow.....

I cringe. As 11Bravo said, my life is an example of how not to live (or something like that). I understood the reference 11B, and I chuckled in agreement. I'm just a regular guy enjoying a few laughs and fun sex with beautiful and interesting women from around the world while I can, as many men do. Sure beats golf as a hobby.

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Regarding comments on this thread about getting GFE from the girls - it's simple: just be BFE with them. Never fails (except the occasional drunk CIS girl). I've only had three bad experiences in my six years and many women in Dubai and other cities around the world). I enjoy this short life on earth.
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Now if I can just work out how to use bluetooth on my new laptop, I'll post a few street scenes from my phone-camera. Can anyone tell me how to switch on bluetooth on an ACER Aspire laptop? There's no bluetooth button like on my previous laptop. (BTW, never buy an ACER Aspire - very clunky keyboard that needs to be pressed hard when typing).

[Piper1]

As part of a five-club tour last night, I was in York for a while. Nice selection of Africans, and some more CIS than usual. Many PRC as usual, including a super-cute little PRC named Cindy. In the darkness, I thought she may have been the cute Miss Hong Kong from Rattlesnake that I took home a couple of times recently, as she had the same Cleopatra style haircut (long straight-cut fringe down to her eyes). Talked to her for a minute. Very cute, and looking lonely and vulnerable as she stood alone in an open space.

After a drink, I went to the men's room. Anyone who's been to York knows how grungy the toilets are. They really need a good clean. Add to this a new decoration last night - a used condom stuck on the wall inside a cubicle. What was it doing there? Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know how a guy could sneak a girl in there.
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PS - the internet bar on ground floor of York Hotel was full of about 25 African and PRC girls - some were not too bad looking. They were agressive in their marketing as I my checked emails, but they each left politely when I said I was busy.

[Barcrawler]

I hit the Seaview for the first time in about six week and stayed for the bands first set.

The Same.

• Band is as good as ever.
• Mr “Premature Lyrics” AKA “The drunk old British guy in the white shirt" was still making an ass of himself – note this not the guy who sings “House of the Rising Sun”. This guy is always three or four bars ahead of the band. In no particular key and has the annoying habit of shouting “ladies and gentlemen, Mr Mark Knopfler”.
  Sir if you are reading this, Cut it out, its getting old! The look on one of the singer’s faces as she was watching some of his antics was priceless however.
• Happy hour beers still 17 AED

The Different

• 10:00 only 5 WG, all PRCs
• 10:30 maybe eight or nine PRC’s, All long time Seaview girls and the African with rather impressive thighs who always sits by the bar on the way in. Good to see she wasn’t banned; she is something of a Seaview institution.
• 11:00 About 4 CIS join the throng.

Restricting the PRCs and Africans means that pickings are sparse and limited to well known faces, at least in the early part of the evening. There was nothing to suggest that CIS or PI girls were taking advantage of the reduce competition, but as both groups tend to arrive late, things may have improved later.

[Piper1]

I need some help from the brother's who have cracked the Ratsky's code.

I spent the better part of 2 hours there Friday night...11PM to 1AM.

I worked the area to the right just before the pool tables as well as the area along the wall just after you come in the door.

Clearly there were a number of girls "working", but they weren't making it easy to take them home. I smiled, I stared, I raised my eyebrows. I could barely get a glance. I have no problem in normal WG venues getting clawed but here I didn't have a clue...

Krypto - must be the luck of the night. I was in Ratskys briefly last night after midnight to meet WR's very bisexual Alice and her girlfriend. I decided not to take her last night, but had a walk around while I was there, and there would've been no problem taking one or two of around 20 Filipina girls. In fact there were hardly any guys. It was a good selection, but I had Miss Siberia in mind, so after a drink, I moved on to Rattlesnake.

To answer your question, I guess if the nonverbal messages don't work, you have to switch to verbal. ie actualy go and talk to one of the girls, suss out her attitude, if she is working etc. After chatting a while, if it seems there's a chance, cut to the chase, put on a smile and say something like "You know, I'd really like you to come home with me tonight", and see how you go. I'd say almost all of the girls in Ratsky sitting alone or in pairs are there for some extra cash.
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While I was talking to Alice at Ratsky, Miss Dreamy-Eyes came and boldly interrupted us, smiling alluringly, carressing me and asking if I remembered her. Of course I remembered her. She was one of two girls I had a threesome with upstairs in the hotel room some weeks ago. The eyes always get me.

[Krypto Knight]

I need some help from the brother's who have cracked the Ratsky's code.

I spent the better part of 2 hours there Friday night...11PM to 1AM.

I worked the area to the right just before the pool tables as well as the area along the wall just after you come in the door.

Clearly there were a number of girls "working", but they weren't making it easy to take them home. I smiled, I stared, I raised my eyebrows. I could barely get a glance. I have no problem in normal WG venues getting clawed but here I didn't have a clue.

I don't know, Ratsky's seemed like a lot of work, and oh, one other detail, only 2-3 of the girls who seemed to be working seemed worth picking up...maybe that was my real problem.

After 2 hours and even asking a couple girls who said no, I headed to York and walked out in 10 minutes with a cute PRC who was the "hurry up, finish" type in the bedroom. 500 DHM all night including a short round the next morning. She was in a big hurry but she was very, very cute.

Maybe I'm just out of practice.

I haven't been posting because the Ex Cyclone, now Hyatt PRC who "wanted to be my girlfriend" became my girlfriend. 3-4 nights or early evenings before she went to work a week of free sex, so enthusiastic there was no reason to go on the prowl and blow a good thing.

Now she's back in China for 2 months so I am hunting again and will try to pick up the slack on reports.

[Krypto Knight]

To the senior members: Is 400 too steep at an AMP? Everything (like discovery channel) on the menu included. If so, what are the going rates?

Do you mean including the 100 for the room?

Either way sounds a little high. I think it's pretty easy to get even an attractive girl for 100 Room 200 Girl. If you are really cheap you may get 100+100.

I think this is the key to the negotiation.

Check out the line up and pick your girl.

The other girls leave and you are left in the room alone with your "choice". She will now ask for 100 for the room. Before you even give her the room money do all your negotiating. I usually say "I don't want a massage, I just want to have sex for a hour. I want a BBBJ and Fucking for the whole hour. I'll give you an extra 200."

If she says 300 laugh and say I'm not a tourist, 200 is all. Now you still have the 100 for the room. If she still tries to go higher at this point smile politely, say sorry I'm not a rich man (You don't want to kill the mood) and head for the door...300 total is fair for an hour, everyone at the massage parlor will know you are walking out, she will cave in.

I'm not trying to be cold but I believe 300 is fair for the hour and this is how you will make sure you get it.

Of course everything expected on the menu is discussed before you give the first 100 for the room.

[Zing Uk]

Its interesting reading through these reports about treating WG's with respect, I find myself reading and nodding my head in full agreement. I think the nature of this site probably lends itself to decent professional mongers who do realise the huge benefits in treating girls with dignity, after all, they are just doing a job and even when they are sometimes being a pain in the ass they are just trying to make a living and are not as lucky as the vast majority of participants to this site in terms of education and having the opportunities that we all have. I've been mongering world wide for something like 20 years now and met more really genuine girls than some of the shit I have to put up with at work!

Re making changes for Ramadan, I noted Rattler had a board up last night telling the girls short skirts and revealing tops wouldn't be allowed from now on so I think there is a general clamp down happening across the city at the moment. A couple of PRC I know there were asking me to explain the sign to them then I got involved in the sending text messages for them. If Mr Nameless who was excited when offered cream with his strawberries last night that was me :-) sorry but your gf is v cute and she was keen to see you!

I've been to AMP a couple of time in the last week and its still 200AED for an hour. Usually, the girl asks for 100 up front for the house then the other hundred once insed or after the deed is done. Quite often they ask for an additional tip. I tend to find these girls usually very good (although did have one terrible experience) and do just about anything with a smile, I never have too much problem slipping them an extra 50.

Went to Rattler last night for a couple of hours, lots of PRC with some A listers but very few Africans and a few CIS later on, again I don't know if there is a purge or they just aren't getting the business. I left around 11 so don't know if the scene changed after that. I met a PRC stunner that I've helped out a couple of times with texts and st her up with a punter recently so she came back for an overnight for "cheap". She speaks very good English and was keen to give full GFE but was only around a 6 or 7 in bed so good marks for enthusiasm but won't repeat the experience. Her mate looked v cute though (Mr Strawberry Tarts gf) so I may give her a go sometime. Again it was early on but there was a good atmosphere in Rattler last night, maybe the industrial town crew have found somewhere else to [CodeWord140] off.

Off to Oman tomorrow follwed by a few days in Riyadh (lucky me) so debating at the moment whether to go out tonight, can't be arsed really but it will be at least a week before I get back to the front line so should maybe make the effort. May bump into some of you later.

Monger on.

[Crime Of Passion]

Always a trade off. IF ((all caps) she comes here speaking little english, by the time she speaks good english, she has also developed a shell. Self-protection.

If you take the time with the "little english" ones (and these days, most all have electronic dictionaries, so smart now they translate complete sentences), they do remember the punters who were nice, considerate, and understanding when they were starting out, and there is no shell.

Well said, and I agree. Nothing like going shopping for yourself; you have to fend THEM off. Showing BASIC human decency gains a lot, which always makes me wonder what the "average" punter is like.
I'd say your friend owes you a stunner.

I'd agree with 11B in many ways, really was into the PRC scene a year or so back before landing a real PRC GF. Got to the point where more experienced girls were sending new girls to me to teach them a bit about what was expected and teach them some English - sometimes because they couldn't get punters in their 'raw' state. Spent many hours teaching English and using those electronic dictionaries which agreed 11B, are truly marvellous - especially as sentence structure in Chinese is different. Only seem to be able to buy them in China. Of course they knew I was patient, a real nice handsome guy and I knew a bit of Mandarin Chinese and also etiquette which helped the communication. Some girls literally only knew 4 or 5 words. Some were very nice but naive of the scene they were entering and even sex. Quite a number of new girls invariably had a untrimmed bush and sex really was lying there and thinking of China which is how they had sex with husbands and boyfriends at home! Some knew nothing of bj's and DATY or even being taken doggy! Some girls never 'made it' and have gone home but a few are still here now (in AUH my adopted city) and still friendly (when my GF isn't there!). This is a generalisation of course and Chinese young people, particularly in the cities are becoming more open sexually.

Certainly agree that there is no shell for me but professionally they are different with most short-term customers who never meet the 'real' girl only ever knowing them by their English name, never seeing their home, having them cook dinner for you, seeing them with their friends and getting 'the fuller range of services that they too enjoy' out of hours. I recently had sex with one of the girls again, first time in around 6-8 months and her skills have improved no end and as a friend I was inside the shell and she stayed for free rather than stay in her apartment with around 20 other girls with phones ringing all night and queing for the shower. I know she would move in tonight if she could be my GF. Her English is hugely improved. Another girl now has a boyfriend but we're still (very) close.

Makes me laugh when people want the GFE though! Some don't know half all the headaches I (we?) have. Chinese girls in my experience are generally very protective of their man, very jealous and concerned where they are and what they may be doing, which business girls are looking at them...can't tell you how many arguments this causes. They also tend to jump in with both feet when they love someone and the drama if there is any suggestion it will end is scary. The 'overnight GFE' would be a more appropriate request!

Re the 'average' customer. Well for most girls it's just a job and money. Despite what some people may think the girls are mainly looking for easy money in the shortest time or good money over a longer period. Next time you see an old boy with a young Chinese part of it may be that he wants to talk and can't f*ck her and she knows it too. They are cautious of drunk, unpredictable, strong people that could hurt them or get angry because they can't get it up or because they are too rough with them. There are of course a few who get well f*cked but maybe they hope you may become a husband, you pay well and there are some who do love sex and they just like the look of you - we all hope for the latter. My experience of girls has been very good but I have always extended many courtesies, appreciated them, paid them, made it hopefully a reasonable experience but it is clear this isn't always the case with some customers and they get treated like *****s. Most recently I have FR'd on experiences with PI and Stan girls...their usual clients are Arab - so they tell me. Now, no disrespect to the Arab population in general, but clearly the girls in the bedroom had a shell, expected a certain level of treatment i.e. get f*cked with few niceities and go. Took a bit of work, some attention and appreciation and a better experience was had by both patrties I hope.

Be nice, it's worth it.

[Member #1071]

I was going to visit Sheraton Deira clubs the other night (I remembered very beautiful CIS girls there), but a very reliable source told me that Sheraton Deira no longer has WGs. LE forced them out about a month ago. What is the world coming to?

I visited the Club Thursday night and yesterday, I confirm the presence of CIS WGs mainly, couple of africans, no PRC's.
probably around 50 WG's each time. Couple of CIS stunners, others are average. Two pretty Africans for those who fancy colored ladies.

Picked one moldovan cute girl, my friend picked up a blond Ukrainian girls, and headed to the latter place as the Moldovan girl refused to go to a flat, but would go with another WG.
Had a good time paid 1000 AED each for a full night, around 6 am everybody went home....

[11Bravo]

Someone mentioned trying to get a GFE the other day being very difficult if the girl doesn't speak good English. I agree 100%, I did meet a real cutie last night but my Chinese was better than her English and that only consists of "Hello, do you ant to f%^k! " Last nights girl was actually very well educated and speaks pretty good English, so much so that her mates were all asking her to type their text messages for them! So next time you get "hello, I want to love you long time" on your Nokia, beware, it may not be from who you think!

Always a trade off. IF ((all caps) she comes here speaking little english, by the time she speaks good english, she has also developed a shell. Self-protection.

If you take the time with the "little english" ones (and these days, most all have electronic dictionaries, so smart now they translate complete sentences), they do remember the punters who were nice, considerate, and understanding when they were starting out, and there is no shell.

Miss F and Miss T perfect examples. Miss F of the former: good english, easily carry on a conversation, enough that her wit showed through, always a fun time, great sex. But not QUITE a GFE. Miss T started off with limited english, improving every week. No shell, completely open, total GFE. She even apologized for bailing out early the 1 Thursday, saying she was embarrassed that she'd been thinking just about money.

Have been asked to help with a number of sms's myself. And not only sms's. Also e-mails. I really had to laugh when one guy replied back he really appreciated how hard she must be studying as her english had improved so much.

So their you have it some of these girls are out for a good time, and I can't stress enough, if you treat these girls like human beings and be a gentle man, theyre will treat you like royalty.
Info to newbies, just get out there and play, you will find more than you ever thoguht you, would.

Well said, and I agree. Nothing like going shopping for yourself; you have to fend THEM off. Showing BASIC human decency gains a lot, which always makes me wonder what the "average" punter is like.

Meanwhile my friend was enjoying his time.

I'd say your friend owes you a stunner.

Thank you Mr. Bravo for the late afternoon-early evening advice. Will follow it up, especially when working the next day.

Afternoon/early evening venues always a bit hit and miss, dependent on how HER night was last night. For a more certain thing, when out at night, get a few phone numbers, then call for an afternoon's appointment.

To the senior members: Is 400 too steep at an AMP? Everything (like discovery channel) on the menu included. If so, what are the going rates?

Never been to one, so don't know. Seems like the standard (or used to be) posted was something like 100 house/100 girl, though that has no doubt gone up. I'd say to just make sure how much is for the house, and how much for the girl, making sure she gets a fair cut (I've heard of some being "tipped" the stunning amount of 20 dhs (no typo, twenty dhs).

An aside: the ‘singer’ as I call him or I think 11B and Sporadic say’ man in white shirt’ was there strutting his stuff, singing away, air guitar the lot. My first time of seeing him and now I can appreciate the comments.

There's 2:

• Mr. White Shirt, the old guy, have heard from several sources he's a sailor, living on a ship while waiting for it to be repaired. How long can it take to repair a ship and let it sail FAR FAR away?
• Mr. Fat Guy, as one PRC calls him, is all right - he sings WITH the band, not ahead of them, and does a great rendition of "House of the Rising Sun."

They might not get as much as the pretty ones and so go for it great guns.

My target class is what used to be referred to as the Cyclone chorus (not necessarily at Cyclone). Not the stunners who never doubt they will have a customer, just a matter of WHICH one, but the chorus girls. Very attractive, and appreciative of some fun business. You get the looks without the attitude.

Most WG´s I have spoken to related that they did frequent the same places (the office) but that this was driven by inertia, (where they were taken the first time) friends, punter density/ethnicity and lastly somewhere where the management tolerated them.

Agree. From those that I know, it's where they were taken to first by their mentor/boss, then where their friends go. Once settled in, a lot will migrate upwards as far as the market allows, looking for the "preferred" customers. Others stay in their niche (the old cliche, "In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"). All reluctant to try new/other venues for the fear that their presence will bring them grief.

[Barcrawler]

Does anyone else have doubts that there are actual LE quotas? It sounds like a stretch to me.

My source for Seaview door policy was.

As for door policy at the Seaview (recent thread), they very nearly went the same way as Cyclone and Amnesia, especially after many of the Cyclone PRCs started turning up and causing trouble. Policy (as directed by CID) until after Ramadan is that CSIs and PIs have total access, PRCs are to be kept to a small number, and Africans are not allowed, except when accompanied - this being due to an ongoing fued between some of the new African girls and the regular PRCs, which at one stage resulted in an all out brawl in the Ladies.

May be Jenas could elaborate but this tied in with reports I heard from a couple of sources that last years York quotas were LE directed.

It is of course possible these are interpretations of a more general directive by club management, or an individual LE officer for that matter.

[Tercar 66]

Visited York after alomost a year . It is now more of a meat market. There is no live band and I believe it will begin after EID. Excellent place to pick up and crack a deal as the lights are on and you can talk to negoiate the price , the music is not too loud. I picked up a black female for ST. Ever since I came back from Mombassa I've got a thing for black asses. Even though thier looks vary from 5 to 8 , they have been blessed with a perfect ass.

[Sporadic]

One wonders on how LE actions are decided upon...Another LE technique seems to be the imposition of quotas on bars...Can we draw any conclusions here?

Does anyone else have doubts that there are actual LE quotas? It sounds like a stretch to me.

I suggest that LE may mention something to the club owners/managers about toning things down, but outright quotas "you can only have X PRC and Y Africans" sounds unlikely.

Bar/club managers may indeed have quotas for the door staff to regulate the crowd mix, for any number of reasons. Most WG´s I have spoken to related that they did frequent the same places (the office) but that this was driven by inertia, (where they were taken the first time) friends, punter density/ethnicity and lastly somewhere where the management tolerated them.

I have no doubt that there is some serious backhanding going on to LE types, but again, I doubt it is organized to the point of quotas. What I have seen is serious VIP comps for LE types (including parties) but not much else.

Am I missing something?

[Barcrawler]

LE forced them out about a month ago. What is the world coming to?

One wonders on how LE actions are decided upon. Stopping girls working a bar is a legitimate LE activity. But why the selective targeting? I assume it’s because by restricting WG’s (or ay least overt WG’s) to certain bars the profile is somewhat reduced (zones of tolerance).

Another LE technique seems to be the imposition of quotas on bars, we saw a lot of this at the York last year were LE told the management that only N PRCs and N Africans were allowed inside at any given time, and more recently at the Seaview. I also wonder how the racial quotas are decided. Reports suggest that the Seaview quotas are heavily weighted against the Africans, and to a lesser extent against the PRCs, with PI girls taking up the slack. Many of the PI girls are controlled. Can we draw any conclusions here?

Rumour Control
Reports elsewhere say that the Panorama Hotel (Jockey's) will be demolished before the end of the year and the site re-developed. That will be the end of an era.

[Piper1]

I was going to visit Sheraton Deira clubs the other night (I remembered very beautiful CIS girls there), but a very reliable source told me that Sheraton Deira no longer has WGs. LE forced them out about a month ago. What is the world coming to?