Dubai Reports

**Want More** · 03-03-14 23:30

Thank you everyone for your advice and assistance on this matter. I had got myself into a pickle. Should have clarified this before hand, agreed on the price etc. However, the good soul WGs of Dubai have delivered once again. I told her that we needed to discuss the money and what was she expecting. She said she expects USD 2000. I closed on that. All the math is behind me now.

The sr members have really proven their experience. All the long hard hours which they have put into understanding this industry is borne fruit- soft benefits, long term safety, lump sum payments, week day vs week end etc. Each factor came into play and I am effectively paying 66% of what I thought was a baseline. A big thank you for all your help.

On some of the comments firstly with my guru Cons68. I would happily pay you 500 if you looked like her and did everything which she does, I am free next week. She works at a make-up counter at MoE. Cons68, you seem to work in finance. You have forever changed how I look at Black-Schole model. You are the true fountain of knowledge, if this was the way it was explained to me I would have really been alert in the Fin classes. Also I am sure your comment is going to come up on google search for most MBA finance guys and they will see how life can be truly lived.

My guru 11Bravo. I don't like to get WG home in spite of all the excellent benefits of being at home. Would not like them to know where I live, there is enough risk as it is, don't want a crazy lady showing up on top of that. For sometime I had a rule that I would not monger in the same country / city I lived in. Some of the points you made about looking at it from her angle. Maid service, no other costs, comfortable room; these are excellent points, never considered it that way. She went for work today so her job is safe, she is back by 5 anyways so she leaves after I do and came back before I did, so no really difference to me. She gets to keep her job, is legal and I don't have to deal with this after our house game is over. Tipping the staff is a good idea. Rather than wait until I was done, slipped them a little something on the way up. This has ensured good service immediately, I am getting all sorts of recommendations for dinner places and drinks are flowing easy.

My guru NG. You have really pointed me in the right direction. Many thanks.

My membership for this site has already had multiple benefits. Hope the admin does not read this and ups the charges. Just on this incident have made back multiples.

**Misha Rastov** · 03-03-14 18:18

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

The good part is that this gent is going to fix me up with little blue pills here.

Any pharmacy will sell you those or cialis or both.

**Cons68** · 03-03-14 15:19

OK I made a couple of assumptions:

1 If you paid 500 USD, I am interested. I can stay overnight and I will let you cuddle.

2 I thought you meant "job" as in the kind of trade we discuss here. If that is not the case then, it is a serious situation.

Originally Posted by 11Bravo [View Original Post]

Mr NiceGuy and Cons68 provide good advice. My 2 fils, but first some clarifications:

ALWAYS beneficial to knowing her early, before the wg shell builds up, too much corrosion Occurs, and being an early friend WILL be remembered for a LONG time, counting for something. I was never shy about getting things clarified At the beginning, just so there were no subsequent misunderstandings (any problems usually occurring when I grew complacent and didn't have an upfront understanding). Unless you want to be her sole support, I'd exercise a bit of caution.

**11Bravo** · 03-03-14 10:50

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

I have a dilemma and am hoping for balanced advice from sr members.

Mr NiceGuy and Cons68 provide good advice. My 2 fils, but first some clarifications:

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

Was her second weekend and had not figured out how to get to the club so was hanging our the restaurant.

Worked out the pricing with her over the last drink, she said USD 600, I made a face and she came to USD 500.

Point 1: She couldn't get into the club when you met her. You are providing employment, in a nice environment, without her having to go to the office, with its inherent risks, hassles, and costs (assume club entrance is not free). That counts for something right there, at least in my experience. Most girls I know not happy with the office environment.
Point 2: USD? Or Dhs? Big difference! If you're prepared to be paying her that amount in United States dollars, why should she bother going to a real job (see below).

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

I am thinking of agreeing for the entire week so I can pack a bag and keep it at the hotel and ask her to do the same. She has to start work from tomorrow. She did not show up today and if I know the retail business she has a few more chances before she gets fired.

Point 3: Most girls I know have no problem of running home, changing, getting something to eat, etc, before returning.
Point 4: Is there some reason you can't use your place? Hotels get expensive, and even if green, do have inherent risks. A good Eid tip to staff can go a LONG way in making you a resident your place wants to keep.

Granted, there are some slight risks of using your place: She knows where you live. Depending on your abode's entrance, risk that neighbors will see arrivals / departures (I had one who spent considerable time at the pool while I was at work, so much so, a neighbor's wife mentioned they'd have to have us over for dinner.) But, for me, the advantages, COMFORT, and convenience far outweighed any risks. After all, my place had a kitchen, and nothing like a home cooked meal.
Point 5: The Danger, Will Robinson alarms starting to sound. She didn't show up for her regular job? WTF? Of course, if I was collecting 500 USD / day, no expenses... Are you prepared to harbor a criminal? Because if someone doesn't show up for their job, that's called absconding, and it's a CRIME that gets you arrested and deported. And harboring an absconder very MUCH frowned upon. Not exactly something you want to report to your employer, that you have to miss work as you have a court date...

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

told the reception that I would pay for Sunday night too so she can sleep in. Called during the day, she was there and said was happy to wait until I got back.

She had the good sense to call the maid to clean the place up, which was a complete disaster zone when I left in the morning.

Point 6: She was happy to wait? Gee, I wonder why? Nice room, no doubt nicer than her shared apartment, WITH maid, and, no doubt, room service. I'm stunned. A nice environment worth something, not all work benefits have to be cash.

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

What I am thinking of doing is to pay 1.5 times for each night, that should cover for the day too. The thing is that I have only paid for the hotel and not paid anything at all to her so far, just running up a tab!

Point 7: A girl's definition of "all night" can vary from an a-lister's "until you fall asleep" to whenever. Night does not necessarily end with dawn. I never considered paying for any post-dawn fun, but did pay for EACH night (see below).
Point 8: IMHO, running up a non-mutually agreed upon tab very risky, fraught with potential misunderstanding, assumptions, disappointments, and scenes.

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

I have a dilemma and am hoping for balanced advice from sr members. We have been at it since the weekend, we had agreed on a price for one night and now it is three already, how does the payment work in these cases- it is agreed price into no of nights. This formula does not somehow feel fair to me since it was not only the nights but during the day as well. In fact morning, noon and night. Is there a like a set way to handle multi-nights? Don't want to ask her, she does not know too much about this and if I don't know how this works then I can either end up underpaying or going over the top.

Unless it's over the top, the first price you pay will be the assumed standard, with some mods. As mentioned, Thursday night surcharge can be pointed out, and removed for standard nights. I never minded this, as the simple understanding meant payment never had to be discussed again, allowing a discreet deposit into her purse.
Girls share info, and what you pay will become known.
Repeat business appreciated by the wg's, especially if it was often repeated (as in once a week).
I rarely tipped. Did always include transportation, be it taxi fare or driving them home myself (taxi to Deira always, Bur Dubai depending on location, time of day, etc.). Bad service, obviously no repeat. For good service, asked for, and IMMEDIATELY verified her mobile number for future business.
If a Miss Thursday (as in EVERY Thursday) , no surcharge (though she was free to cancel, risking being usurped). The STEADY, non-hassle cash flow offsetting any potential windfalls.
A SAFE, comfortable, hassle free work environment much appreciated by the ladies, and worth something to them in and of itself. Being able to play house, just for a night, appreciated by both parties, providing the temporary illusion of a normal life.
Being a regular, knowing where you live, has its advantages. She can take a taxi to your place, bypassing any club entrance fees (advantageous for the both of you).
FOR ME, I never assumed a free night (as in 5 for 4). I wanted to make sure the bottom line was business, no false promises or future, neither stated nor implied. That didn't prevent me from having some great times, making some good friends. Everyone knew it was a DXB facade.

Bottom line, I'd make sure she didn't lose her real job. I'd offer a rate you're both comfortable with, considering the points above about non-cash benefits. No multipliers for extended stay day work (as Cons68 points out, her choice to stay) - price agreed valid for the mutually agreed (explicit OR implicit) duration. Obviously, cash major factor, but other factors certainly do come into consideration.

ALWAYS beneficial to knowing her early, before the wg shell builds up, too much corrosion occurs, and being an early friend WILL be remembered for a LONG time, counting for something. I was never shy about getting things clarified at the beginning, just so there were no subsequent misunderstandings (any problems usually occurring when I grew complacent and didn't have an upfront understanding). Unless you want to be her sole support, I'd exercise a bit of caution.

**Cons68** · 03-03-14 10:27

It is not about not liking to answer questions. Is about not wanting to answer dumb people. Not your case.

It is also about not liking to answer questions with no clear, definite answers. THAT is you case.

I think paying price per night x number of nights is generous (I do not want to say overpaying) You did not ask her to stay, she did on her own. She could have got a client, or not, she could have been busted, she probably would have been sleeping in a truly uncomfortable place.

OTOH is she had improved her performance adding items to the menu, you may want to be generous.

Seriously, you can not work out this without talking to her, but price x number of nights should be your highest offer not your base. Or maybe I understood you wrong.

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

I am doing so many things right. It almost feels wrong.). I can tell you that this old dog is learning new tricks all weekend long!

So this in Sunday night now and I have been at work all day long. Guess what she is still here. We had sort of decided that she would go by Saturday, then on Saturday night it was late, I had to get out early, go home and change etc, so did not wake her and rushed out, told the reception that I would pay for Sunday night too so she can sleep in. Called during the day, she was there and said was happy to wait until I got back. I got back and it is going to be a really late night. This studio is feeling like second home. Told them to push it to Monday night, got some lip about how busy they are, previous bookings etc.

She had the good sense to call the maid to clean the place up, which was a complete disaster zone when I left in the morning.

I have a dilemma and am hoping for balanced advice from sr members. We have been at it since the weekend, we had agreed on a price for one night and now it is three already, how does the payment work in these cases- it is agreed price into no of nights. This formula does not somehow feel fair to me since it was not only the nights but during the day as well. In fact morning, noon and night. Is there a like a set way to handle multi-nights? Don't want to ask her, she does not know too much about this and if I don't know how this works then I can either end up underpaying or going over the top.

I know that sr members don't like to answer questions but this is not asking numbers. This is really the kind of stuff that you need from a community. I have never done a multi-nighter and just have know fucking clue.

All in all, Dubai is working out well for me. Seen parts of the world which I did not really know about, double takers and multi-nighters. What is going to happen next?

**Cons68** · 03-03-14 10:14

Not only you are supporting the education of so many young girls in developing countries but you are focusing on the most neglected part, mathematics. You Sir, are truly a role model and I hope you achieve your much deserved recognition.

Now, going to your equations:

1) I have got two girls with no lez for 1. 2.1. 3 of one girl charges. I am not alone on this, but the trick is to get this offer from the girl. If you ask then it is a different game. As my old man explained me long time ago, the price of a horse is written in the face of the guy asking.

2) I can confirm that in Spain, today, you can get for 2x and no need to tip. But in Dubai there is no warranty of the device reaching critical mass, you may pay and have a dud. Actually Lez action is not really related to money, ethnicity is the best predictor here. Finding the right girls is an art (WR being the 5th-dan black-belt on this)

3, 4.5) It depends, you should negotiate. Girls like to reduce their uncertainty and are willing to pay in order to hedge their revenue stream. Maybe we should work to find the equivalent of Black-Scholes equation (but I seriously doubt that we have a shot at the Nobel Prize)

I would also like to add that your model fails to acknowledge some critical factors, I think you need a correction factor that includes the logarithm of the number of Saudi male tourists in Dubai and the third power of the length of the break in KSA. Once you incorporate that I think we are ready to go!

I thought I would never say this… but you may be over thinking this. And I am an OCD person.

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

There are too many logistical issues with unplanned multi-nighters. There is no change of clothes, no brush, shaving kit, have to go home to change every morning. I am thinking of agreeing for the entire week so I can pack a bag and keep it at the hotel and ask her to do the same. She has to start work from tomorrow. She did not show up today and if I know the retail business she has a few more chances before she gets fired.

I did some research until dinner arrives and figured stuff about payments.

1. Two girls fees is 1. 75 times one girl charges if no lez action.

2. Two girls with lez action is 2 times one girl charges and generous tips around 25%

3. For pre-agreed multi-nights is one night charge into number of nights.

4. For multi-nights over weekends a very generous tip is the norm since most of them will have a day customers over weekends too. Around one third is tips.

5. For unplanned multi-nights it is typically 1 night free for every 3 or 4 nights of payments. Stay 5 nights and pay for 4. I think this is absurd!

This is not from Dubai but from my old stomping grounds in Asia. Called up a gent who manages a number of girls and he was hysterical with laughter when I told him the question. Looking back on this, it is pretty funny that I am thinking of a math problem when I really don't have blood flow up there. Heartening to know that like all things in life there is a system to this too. The good part is that this gent is going to fix me up with little blue pills here. So my week long plan will actually happen.

What I am thinking of doing is to pay 1. 5 times for each night, that should cover for the day too. The thing is that I have only paid for the hotel and not paid anything at all to her so far, just running up a tab!

**11Bravo** · 03-03-14 08:44

Originally Posted by Millionaire007 [View Original Post]

Thanks for sharing you experience do you mind giving her contact information. I can trade you with what I have.

Don't pay any attention to the unhelpful members here. I've sent you a PM with ALL my contacts. Hope you got it because I only do this ONCE, and this is JUST FOR YOU. [Given that you DON'T have an ISG PM capability, even though you did ask for contacts, that would be a psychic message, pinhead].

Originally Posted by Shinjuku [View Original Post]

Seaview staff are pretty cool.

Wasn't actually referring to the official paid staff; rather, the unpaid staff, at least unpaid by the Seaview itself.

Originally Posted by DessieO2 [View Original Post]

Don't want to waste an evening although I might get lucky at Ratksys! Please PM me with the info.

I'm rather obtuse, so I don't know anyone who wants to waste an evening. Why don't you go to Ratskys, try your luck, and try writing an FR that provides some useful info? That just might be a refreshing change...

Originally Posted by SpiderFred [View Original Post]

Yesterday 22:13 Can you give any hints on finding this place?

Originally Posted by SpiderFred [View Original Post]

Yesterday 22:08 Can you give any hints on finding this place?

Bit quick on the trigger, huh? Don't worry, the ladies ALL love a 5 minute man...

Originally Posted by Wicked Roger [View Original Post]

Yet another manager class who posted the same FR twice

Once again, find myself disagreeing with WR. Sorry, but in no way do I consider SpiderFred's posts FR's.

We do agree on the manager class assessment, someone who can't be bothered to understand the rules before posting (as in regular member's posts do NOT appear immediately, but are vetted first...)

**Want More** · 03-03-14 04:24

Originally Posted by Nice Guy 99 [View Original Post]

My suggestion is to sit her down and say "Baby, we are really hitting it off. You are so (fill it in). I'd like to continue this for the next xx days but of course I can't afford (weekend price). Why don't we agree on (weekend price x 0. 60) for xx days? That's XXXXXAED total. I hate to talk about money because I feel so connected with you but I'm an honest guy so thought we need to talk."

Dear NG,

Thanks for your advice. This is incredibly helpful and very different from what I was thinking. It is along the lines as what my buddy from Makati had to say.

Agree with you that pre-arranged multi-nights is the right way to do it. I have agreed on a the higher side for the weekend USD 500 / AED 1800. It was agreed when I was really vulnerable. Before my first bite of food, girl or drink. Additionally, was unprepared at the restaurant, she is an Arabic speaker (I am not but they charge more from what I gather) and quite a looker. The good time sure makes up for it. The last time I broke a major rule of being with girls and paid upfront, it still worked out well for me. So am going to trust to good WGs of Dubai and work out for the whole week. She said it was her second weekend out only, so put that to the test!

Overall, will pay her agreed rates for Thursday / Friday / Saturday night and then USD 300 for Sunday / Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday. This should be more than fair.

Am going to a non-WG bar tonight so will sort this out before that. Have to do all the logistics for clothes etc today. Most importantly, the blue pills.

Now for the non-math part of the FR.

It keeps getting better and better, the GFE feel is totally there. Clean room, clothes being hung up, food ordered and table laid out, conversation over dinner. This leads to incredible things on the bed. Nothing is off limits, there is a good level of trust so can push some limits if I feel like it. By far the best experience I had. Tops the three-some.

**Nice Guy 99** · 03-02-14 22:08

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

I am doing so many things right. It almost feels wrong.). I can tell you that this old dog is learning new tricks all weekend long!

So this in Sunday night now and I have been at work all day long. Guess what she is still here. We had sort of decided that she would go by Saturday, then on Saturday night it was late, I had to get out early, go home and change etc, so did not wake her and rushed out, told the reception that I would pay for Sunday night too so she can sleep in. Called during the day, she was there and said was happy to wait until I got back. I got back and it is going to be a really late night. This studio is feeling like second home. Told them to push it to Monday night, got some lip about how busy they are, previous bookings etc.

I have a dilemma and am hoping for balanced advice from sr members. We have been at it since the weekend, we had agreed on a price for one night and now it is three already, how does the payment work in these cases- it is agreed price into no of nights. This formula does not somehow feel fair to me since it was not only the nights but during the day as well.

Mr Want. I hope you didn't agree to a ridiculously high initial price for the weekend night. Know that the weekend premium is maybe 25% or so. Also know that they don't always get clients on weekdays. My preferred operating procedure is to set up longer term deals with WGs I like. Good for them and good for me. BTW, the sex usually only gets better. However, I generally do that by offering a multi night deal after a trial night at market price. For example, if a WG can easily pull 1000 for a Thursday night I may offer her a week at 500 per night. Your problem is that you are in to it with no definition other than the first night (weekend) price.

My suggestion is to sit her down and say "Baby, we are really hitting it off. You are so (fill it in). I'd like to continue this for the next xx days but of course I can't afford (weekend price). Why don't we agree on (weekend price x 0. 60) for xx days? That's XXXXXAED total. I hate to talk about money because I feel so connected with you but I'm an honest guy so thought we need to talk."

She will push for higher price. Don't move. Just say you're sorry and cannot afford, after all you're also paying for the accommodation. Be ready to hand her the weekend price for day one and the reduced price for the other days. If she leaves, she leaves. There ARE more fish in the sea.

**Want More** · 03-02-14 20:46

Originally Posted by Want More [View Original Post]

how does the payment work in these cases- it is agreed price into no of nights. This formula does not somehow feel fair to me since it was not only the nights but during the day as well. In fact morning, noon and night. Is there a like a set way to handle multi-nights?

There are too many logistical issues with unplanned multi-nighters. There is no change of clothes, no brush, shaving kit, have to go home to change every morning. I am thinking of agreeing for the entire week so I can pack a bag and keep it at the hotel and ask her to do the same. She has to start work from tomorrow. She did not show up today and if I know the retail business she has a few more chances before she gets fired.

I did some research until dinner arrives and figured stuff about payments.

1. Two girls fees is 1.75 times one girl charges if no lez action.

2. Two girls with lez action is 2 times one girl charges and generous tips around 25%

3. For pre-agreed multi-nights is one night charge into number of nights.

4. For multi-nights over weekends a very generous tip is the norm since most of them will have a day customers over weekends too. Around one third is tips.

5. For unplanned multi-nights it is typically 1 night free for every 3 or 4 nights of payments. Stay 5 nights and pay for 4. I think this is absurd!

This is not from Dubai but from my old stomping grounds in Asia. Called up a gent who manages a number of girls and he was hysterical with laughter when I told him the question. Looking back on this, it is pretty funny that I am thinking of a math problem when I really don't have blood flow up there. Heartening to know that like all things in life there is a system to this too. The good part is that this gent is going to fix me up with little blue pills here. So my week long plan will actually happen.

What I am thinking of doing is to pay 1.5 times for each night, that should cover for the day too. The thing is that I have only paid for the hotel and not paid anything at all to her so far, just running up a tab!

**Aimara** · 03-02-14 20:43

Research?

Its a misconception, this is not how the many enjoy them. They get laid without the excessive cost and extended intro like everyone else, everywhere else.

The actual practice dates back to the royal Mughal courts of India and were trained dancers, I assume they also offered add-on's, but this was considered art and not sex for sale. As you might imagine, money was unlikely to have been an issue with the type of people who were being entertained.

The term Mujra has been bastardised and what you have now are common prostitutes with a bit of slap on gyrating to whatever is current from Bollywood. It still exists but not on Youtube! The closest parallel that I can think are the Geisha's of Japan, and by all accounts they don't come cheap either.

If it continues to fuel your fantasy on how the other half (don't) live, then to each his own I guess.

Originally Posted by Global Surfer [View Original Post]

**SpiderFred** · 03-02-14 19:13

Originally Posted by AgentMonger [View Original Post]

I know there have been other poor reports here on this place in the past, but decided to try it yesterday.

8 girls jammed into a small two bedroom apartment, not one of them attractive. All fat, (with the exception of one who was so skinny I thought she was probably on Meth) and half were older (40's?).

As advertised. 300 for the hour, but only stayed 20 minutes. Service was poor. 7 girls yelling and screaming just outside your door. Honestly, probably one of the worst experiences I have had in Dubai.

To each their own, but the drop down in quality for 300 just wasn't worth it, knowing what you can actually get for 600-700.

Stay safe out there.

Can you give any hints on finding this place? Not looking for anything fancy right now and like them larger anyway.

**Want More** · 03-02-14 18:31

Originally Posted by Cons68 [View Original Post]

You forgot to mention your commitment and financial support to the cause of women's education.

I am doing so many things right. It almost feels wrong.). I can tell you that this old dog is learning new tricks all weekend long!

So this in Sunday night now and I have been at work all day long. Guess what she is still here. We had sort of decided that she would go by Saturday, then on Saturday night it was late, I had to get out early, go home and change etc, so did not wake her and rushed out, told the reception that I would pay for Sunday night too so she can sleep in. Called during the day, she was there and said was happy to wait until I got back. I got back and it is going to be a really late night. This studio is feeling like second home. Told them to push it to Monday night, got some lip about how busy they are, previous bookings etc.

She had the good sense to call the maid to clean the place up, which was a complete disaster zone when I left in the morning.

I have a dilemma and am hoping for balanced advice from sr members. We have been at it since the weekend, we had agreed on a price for one night and now it is three already, how does the payment work in these cases- it is agreed price into no of nights. This formula does not somehow feel fair to me since it was not only the nights but during the day as well. In fact morning, noon and night. Is there a like a set way to handle multi-nights? Don't want to ask her, she does not know too much about this and if I don't know how this works then I can either end up underpaying or going over the top.

I know that sr members don't like to answer questions but this is not asking numbers. This is really the kind of stuff that you need from a community. I have never done a multi-nighter and just have know fucking clue.

All in all, Dubai is working out well for me. Seen parts of the world which I did not really know about, double takers and multi-nighters. What is going to happen next?

**Global Surfer** · 03-02-14 17:24

**Wilts Boy** · 03-02-14 16:57

Originally Posted by Wicked Roger [View Original Post]

But generally I would guess that Millionaire is not that, is a one handed typist, living in India who has never been to the UAE (or anywhere for that matter) or he could be LE (which is worse guys?).

And we all know what he is doing with the other hand. !

Back in Dubai now and happy to report Jules Bar and Towers Rotana hotel as good as ever

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