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  1. #27186
    Quote Originally Posted by DrainMaker  [View Original Post]
    Free fuck is an illusion.
    s.
    That's absolutely right.

    If a woman wants to fuck you for free, best to walk away and say you can't afford it.

  2. #27185

    Czar and Bazerkan

    Long time silent observer, this is my 2nd trip to Dubai and I thought it's finally time to return the favor (a little bit) after scrapping through 150+ pages in these forums.

    I booked my stay at Capitol and landed yesterday morning. Check-in took sometime as the hotel was fairly busy, after 2 hours or so they finaly checked me in. Spent the day working through a coffee shope until I finally began to go through my list of targets. I had some MR girls I had been talking to before travelling to Dubai, messaged 3 of them and none answered. Welp! Plan be it was so headed to Moscow, had a couple of beers, nothing much interesting, mostly were the avrage 6 or 7's except one absolute bomb but she was already in conversation with another guy. Had 2 beers and left. I didn't want to travel too far so I decided to head back to Capitol and check out Czar.

    Standard entry stuff at Czar, 200 for the entry which includes 2 drinks. It was a little quite around 10:30 pm with most girls sitting in groups. I took notes from the seniors in the forum and didn't take the table. Instead, I placed myself at the bar sipping my drink and waiting. Lo and behold! In about 10 minutes I had two girls revolving around me at the bar getting their drinks, they decided to stay there for a duration to see if they gauge any interest from me. But they weren't my type so I didn't pass any smiles back. Had some 6-7's passing by going to the bathroom, but my eyes were focused on 2 girls.

    1 - A petite Russian who was a redhead. Now hear me out! Petite is a bit of a weakness of mine and if you top that with redhead I am sold! But I kept my patience. After a few smiles she came around to the bar and we started talking. I was really interested but she pointed to a friend of hers (also petite). Turns out she wanted her friend to be involved which I denied straightaway. It's just not my thing! A bit disappointed but not bummed as I knew there was plenty of fish in the sea.

    2 - An Uzbek girl who was on her own, she walked by for a drink and we exchanged greetings. She had a great body with an ass to die for. We chatted for a bit, she was very pleasent to speak to and very good English. Sorted out the deal for 800 for 2 shots. Finished a drink and came back up to the room. Chatted for a while before we started kissing. Not much of a kisser but I enjoyed grabbing her ass while we kissed. OWO In a few minutes and man this was one of the best sloppy BJ's I ever had. But I wasnt done, I railed her mouth for a bit before I had her legs on my shoulders pounding her deep. The moans got me even more hornier and I finished in missionary. We showered and chatted for a bit before jonny was ready again. Repeat sloppy BJ, a bit of missionary pounding before I took her in doggy while slapping that ass and doing lots of dirty talk. Over all great experience, I sweetened the deal for her in the end and gave her an extra 200 on top of the agreed amount.

    She left and I had another shower. I was really hungry at this point as I had only eaten dinner the day before. I was leaving the hotel to get some food when I saw a really hot Irani walk in to the hotel, she was telling the bouncer that she is going up for shisha (Bazerkan). I kept that in mind and left the hotel to feed my empty stomach.

    You will soon know that going to Bazerkan was an awful mistake. I finished food, came back to the room to freshened up, and went up to Bazerkan. There she was! The sexy Irani I had seen enter the hotel when I was leaving. Lots of eye contact and dancing gestures later, we were talking. She began with 1500 for 2 shots, I told her I was too tired and was just looking for a quickie. Agreed at 500 for one shot. We smoked shisha for a bit, paid the bill and came down to the room (It was around 3 am by then). While coming down the elevator I had realized this wasn't going to go too well. She was drunk and was out of her mind. Into the room, she took payment and began to kiss. It was more of a lick rather than a kiss, that was the first red flag. Anyways, little bit more of the tongue stuff and jonny began to warm up. She went down on me and jonny wasn't too happy, yep the infamous lack of BJ skills! Her teeth kept coming in the way. She kept trying and I had to eventually stop her as it was turning me off. She went back to licking and tried everything she could but I guess jonny had enough for the day. I told her to leave and she made a bit of a face so I had to be assertive that the night was over. Didn't ask her for any money back, sometimes you just got to take a hard loss to learn your lesson properly.

    End of day one and I am going to try and get some sleep. Will post another update once I have explored some other spots.

  3. #27184
    Quote Originally Posted by WantMore  [View Original Post]
    Dude, it is a heartfelt post. From the sounds of it, you are looking for a girlfriend not a hooker. You are unlikely to find a hooker who is going to really want you as a person. She will want you for the money and sex with her will always have that distance.

    Getting a sugar baby will come closer to what you are looking for. It will involve a fair bit of searching and for a younger guy might not be that different from normal dating website.

    There are two things that you will need to make peace with if you want to be in the mongering / sugar world. It is expensive even by Dubai standards and much more so when compared to India. I have very limited experience in p4 p in India but the had an SB for a week or so. She asked for less than half of what I was expecting to pay and even then she thought I was paying her top dollar. Even the amounts, I see on the India board seem much muchowe than Dubai.

    My advice to you would be a stop mongering for sometime and think of actual dating. Mongering to some extend changes your perspective that every woman will suck your cock at the right price but proper relationships are more complex and need far more skillful handing.

    Finally, if you think hookers are expensive wait until you have a wife / GF😂128514;128514;.
    Free fuck is an illusion.

    As Wody Allen says 'Free fuck is the most expensive fuck in the world.

    But then again there are so many intangilbles.

    Mongering & SBs is no substitute for relationships.

  4. #27183

    Respect

    You rock, man. It is not easy to see these girls as people most of the time. Kudos to you for helping her out with things. I agree with your point of the work needed to get to GFE, but given the OP's background I assumed (maybe wrongly) that he does not have time for the long run. There is also the slippery slope of "caring" turning into "love" which is far more dangerous IMO. If we have the maturity to keep feelings out, but still be human to them and help, that is a perfect balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by SethiatSpace  [View Original Post]
    Just like the original meaning of "Escort" has slowly degraded to online hooker vs streetwalker, the meaning of GFE is now basically the opposite of PSE, as we will fuck more slowly, I'll kiss you a little bit and fake moan for your liking. That's about the whole extent of it. But then again, what do you expect from a short meet? It can grow a little bit more if it's a regular but a "girlfriend experience" is not about this. It's someone who wants to do something for you, craves your touch, feels your emotions. In my last post I'm talking about a girl which is halfway there and it's a bit dangerous, for me and for her. But when we visit a place, she insists on holding my hand, puts her head in my lap when in a taxi (in a non-sexual way), will try to crack a joke, asks me advice in her personal life, sends me videos of her makeup to get my approval / compliments, remembers about personal details I told her, she basically forces me to bed, she brought me a small gift. That would be the "girlfriend experience" but this can only happen if you interact outside of the bed and if you're also willing to put in the effort to remember and do things about her. I know her real name, her father and mother name, her city, how many siblings, what she did in her life, what she is aspiring to, her problems growing up, . I put a ton of effort to help her get money out of Dubai to Russia through crypto-offices in Dubai, taking her myself there, dealing with the crypto-aspect of it all. Any gesture is appreciated, giving money is easy and there are ton of guys who can do it and more than you in Dubai but teaching her something or helping her with something will make you stand out.

  5. #27182
    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on
    .
    Dude, it is a heartfelt post. From the sounds of it, you are looking for a girlfriend not a hooker. You are unlikely to find a hooker who is going to really want you as a person. She will want you for the money and sex with her will always have that distance.

    Getting a sugar baby will come closer to what you are looking for. It will involve a fair bit of searching and for a younger guy might not be that different from normal dating website.

    There are two things that you will need to make peace with if you want to be in the mongering / sugar world. It is expensive even by Dubai standards and much more so when compared to India. I have very limited experience in p4 p in India but the had an SB for a week or so. She asked for less than half of what I was expecting to pay and even then she thought I was paying her top dollar. Even the amounts, I see on the India board seem much muchowe than Dubai.

    My advice to you would be a stop mongering for sometime and think of actual dating. Mongering to some extend changes your perspective that every woman will suck your cock at the right price but proper relationships are more complex and need far more skillful handing.

    Finally, if you think hookers are expensive wait until you have a wife / GF😂128514;128514;.

  6. #27181
    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyDuck1208  [View Original Post]
    Mongering is not about finding someone that wants you. I am pretty sure, for all the "GFE" descriptions we see here, very few of them are actually that. It is also the girl faking it so that she gets your money and gives you that high for a few minutes. Once we leave her, she probably texts her friends and makes fun of something we said or did or the size of our johnnies.
    Just like the original meaning of "Escort" has slowly degraded to online hooker vs streetwalker, the meaning of GFE is now basically the opposite of PSE, as we will fuck more slowly, I'll kiss you a little bit and fake moan for your liking. That's about the whole extent of it. But then again, what do you expect from a short meet? It can grow a little bit more if it's a regular but a "girlfriend experience" is not about this. It's someone who wants to do something for you, craves your touch, feels your emotions. In my last post I'm talking about a girl which is halfway there and it's a bit dangerous, for me and for her. But when we visit a place, she insists on holding my hand, puts her head in my lap when in a taxi (in a non-sexual way), will try to crack a joke, asks me advice in her personal life, sends me videos of her makeup to get my approval / compliments, remembers about personal details I told her, she basically forces me to bed, she brought me a small gift. That would be the "girlfriend experience" but this can only happen if you interact outside of the bed and if you're also willing to put in the effort to remember and do things about her. I know her real name, her father and mother name, her city, how many siblings, what she did in her life, what she is aspiring to, her problems growing up, . I put a ton of effort to help her get money out of Dubai to Russia through crypto-offices in Dubai, taking her myself there, dealing with the crypto-aspect of it all. Any gesture is appreciated, giving money is easy and there are ton of guys who can do it and more than you in Dubai but teaching her something or helping her with something will make you stand out.

    Anyway for OP, if you're shy, I suggest forgetting about shitty scammy dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, whatever) and go for a language exchange app, like Tandem or Italki. You can message people and if you're not awkward, you can slowly build a relationship. I met my ex-GF from Ukraine like this. She was nothing like a gold-digger before people get started. She was a software engineer (like me) working remotely for a US company and she was making more than me. Probably the smarted girl I've ever met. We talked a lot on Tandem then we switched on Whatsapp then we met in real life in Ukraine. Good luck.

  7. #27180

    Interesting

    I can relate a bit. I use to be happy go luck, see lady for an hour and move on.

    Then I met one, saw her three time and made mistake of thinking she likes me. Fell for her. Met several time and one day she just blocked.

    It's all about money, I know, but I fell and hurt myself.

    I don't enjoy now and hope can have few regular, but it's hard to retry and trust.

    Bro Bloodred, thanks for all the tips in the forum. You rock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    This will likely get flagged and not even get posted but I wanted to share my $0. 02. I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. The "meat market" is a good way to escape the loneliness that comes at you in this city. I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on here but when it comes to picking up the phone and ringing a random woman I pussy out thinking of STDs or just the logistics. I had my share of "fun" at spas but frankly. Most of them don't do FS, the BBBJ offering makes me scared of STDs and well a HJ is usually better off at home with some good porn from Onlyfans.


    Have a pleasant weekend.

  8. #27179

    You are right

    You are right on all counts, and I can relate to this even from other "hobbies". I am also an enthusiast and collect something more materialistic. After a few years of doing it, the hobby lost its charm. The usual dopamine kick that I used to get when I acquired another material thing to add to my "collection" was no longer there. I have since reduced my involvement in that hobby by almost 90% of my time now, and also spend much less money on it. Once you know something is not working for you, stop putting time and money into it.

    Mongering is not about finding someone that wants you. I am pretty sure, for all the "GFE" descriptions we see here, very few of them are actually that. It is also the girl faking it so that she gets your money and gives you that high for a few minutes. Once we leave her, she probably texts her friends and makes fun of something we said or did or the size of our johnnies. If you still want female company, not the sex, just try some good old fashioned dating. Going home after a dinner and drinks alone to Onlyfans is not a bad deal, if the food was good and the girl was likeable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    This will likely get flagged and not even get posted but I wanted to share my $0. 02. I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. The "meat market" is a good way to escape the loneliness that comes at you in this city. I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on here but when it comes to picking up the phone and ringing a random woman I pussy out thinking of STDs or just the logistics. I had my share of "fun" at spas but frankly. Most of them don't do FS, the BBBJ offering makes me scared of STDs and well a HJ is usually better off at home with some good porn from Onlyfans.

  9. #27178
    Different strokes for different folk. Personally for me mongering is like eating out, its entertainment pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less. Its (and this is going to sound odd) not even necessarily all about the sex.

    You are clearly looking for something deeper and I don't think you are going to find that mongering. Join some social (hobby) clubs, plenty of organisations you can volunteer, make some friends and hopefully that can fill some of the hole you maybe feeling working in Dubai and away from your friends and family back home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    I share these thoughts because I recognise there's a lot of younger mongers here just lurking just like me. Obv this is ISG and you are not coming here for self help. The mongering world has a lot of soft skills you can actually use irl. I learned to be more street smart, understand the art of "trading" information and interact with women better. But if you are like me, fundamentally broken deep within, perhaps consider other avenues to spend your money and find happiness. Even consider therapy.

    I don't mean to retire from mongering. For now I am just trying to find models I relate to and have a steady rapport with. So far there's been shit luck on that end.

    Anyway, idk where I'm going at with all this. Just sharing my emo musings on balancing the mental aspects of mongering with the physical.

    Have a pleasant weekend.

  10. #27177
    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    This will likely get flagged and not even get posted but I wanted to share my $0. 02. I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. The "meat market" is a good way to escape the loneliness that comes at you in this city. I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on here but when it comes to picking up the phone and ringing a random woman I pussy out thinking of STDs or just the logistics. I had my share of "fun" at spas but frankly. Most of them don't do FS, the BBBJ offering makes me scared of STDs and well a HJ is usually better off at home with some good porn from Onlyfans.

    I admire the mongers that have been able to do it for a decade and not catch STDs or feel broken deep within. I realise the mongering is just me slapping a bandaid on what needs surgery. I think I will just retire from any active mongering because it no longer gives me joy to spend money with random women to spend an hour with me. Don't get me wrong- I don't belittle sex work or people that pursue it. I have great admiration for people that can have their needs met and can afford it. Me personally, I come from a third world country and spending the equivalent of a month's wages on a woman for her to pretend like she wants your thing in her. Idk man. It all feels weird.

    I share these thoughts because I recognise there's a lot of younger mongers here just lurking just like me. Obv this is ISG and you are not coming here for self help. The mongering world has a lot of soft skills you can actually use irl. I learned to be more street smart, understand the art of "trading" information and interact with women better. But if you are like me, fundamentally broken deep within, perhaps consider other avenues to spend your money and find happiness. Even consider therapy.

    I don't mean to retire from mongering. For now I am just trying to find models I relate to and have a steady rapport with. So far there's been shit luck on that end.

    Anyway, idk where I'm going at with all this. Just sharing my emo musings on balancing the mental aspects of mongering with the physical.

    Have a pleasant weekend.
    That's why you need to have regulars. Alot of seasoned mongers aren't constantly going with new girls every time. Once you have a circle of regulars it is much more enjoyable because they know you, you know them, and they do basically become like friends with benefits albeit you pay them. I'm going to Dubai next week for 4 days and all the girls I'm planning to see are my regulars and ones I've had very good sessions with.

    These days I can count the new girls I take in a year on one hand, most of my action are with girls I know. One of my regulars doesn't even work the clubs anymore and has a full time day job working in re al estate. I have another amazing Brazilian regular who also doesn't work the clubs anymore and is a daytime trader now and starting her own company. And yeah lol she's a regular of mine. So you have to create a regular circle.

  11. #27176
    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. scared of STDs
    No one can blame you on this specially since you are on a work visa, not worth failing your blood test over a cheap punt. Keep this guard up its definitely not worth the regret.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    Spending the equivalent of a month's wages on a woman for her to pretend like she wants your thing in her.
    Your problem. Aside from your racial insecurity. Is that you are trying to get validation from hookers. That's not the way it works. We pay them to LEAVE not to like us. This is a transactional relationship pure and simple. Not you showing low self-esteem and needing approval from PROSTITUTES to validate your life? Come on buddy. If you look at a massage girl after the session and think oh man she would have never got near my dick unless I paid her I'm a loser and then feel sorry about it that means you have low self confidence, worry and self-doubt.

    You have to make peace with yourself & practice acceptance and contentment. Otherwise every time you leave from a punt you are going to feel emptier and emptier, shallow and ashamed of your self rather than experiencing what us real mongers feel. Upbeated, relaxed, satisfied with a skip in your step ready to go to work and fight another challenge in your life.

    Hit the gym and get your life in order.

  12. #27175
    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    This will likely get flagged and not even get posted but I wanted to share my $0. 02. I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. The "meat market" is a good way to escape the loneliness that comes at you in this city. I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on here but when it comes to picking up the phone and ringing a random woman I pussy out thinking of STDs or just the logistics. I had my share of "fun" at spas but frankly. Most of them don't do FS, the BBBJ offering makes me scared of STDs and well a HJ is usually better off at home with some good porn from Onlyfans.

    I admire the mongers that have been able to do it for a decade and not catch STDs or feel broken deep within. I realise the mongering is just me slapping a bandaid on what needs surgery. I think I will just retire from any active mongering because it no longer gives me joy to spend money with random women to spend an hour with me. Don't get me wrong- I don't belittle sex work or people that pursue it. I have great admiration for people that can have their needs met and can afford it. Me personally, I come from a third world country and spending the equivalent of a month's wages on a woman for her to pretend like she wants your thing in her. Idk man. It all feels weird.

    I share these thoughts because I recognise there's a lot of younger mongers here just lurking just like me. Obv this is ISG and you are not coming here for self help. The mongering world has a lot of soft skills you can actually use irl. I learned to be more street smart, understand the art of "trading" information and interact with women better. But if you are like me, fundamentally broken deep within, perhaps consider other avenues to spend your money and find happiness. Even consider therapy.

    I don't mean to retire from mongering. For now I am just trying to find models I relate to and have a steady rapport with. So far there's been shit luck on that end.

    Anyway, idk where I'm going at with all this. Just sharing my emo musings on balancing the mental aspects of mongering with the physical.

    Have a pleasant weekend.
    Seems like there's a lot going on in your life. From the opening of your post it seems you are actually looking for a relationship / partner but looking in the wrong place.

    Go out and find a GF, leave this for later.

  13. #27174

    Coffee anyone?

    I arrived very late in DXB but was in a mood of searching for a girl. Usually I visit RS but this time I wanted to try something different. So I ended up at Ratskys which I never entered before. Apart from the girls I was disappointed as. For me. The place was too noisy, too dark and the music too loud. So I was trying not to stay too long.

    After a short time I saw a small quite pretty viet girl smiling at me. We had a nice chat, she told me that she's Coffee and from Vietnam and we agreed on 8 reds.

    - fast forward to the hotel. In the hotel both of us took a shower (seperately) and then the action started. Coffee is blessed with a great body, made boobs (but in a good way. So not oversized) and she got a quit big tattoo at her neck.

    First round was all about BBJ. Great skills and I ended up in her mouth in 69 position.

    After that round she gave me a pretty good massage. Not just the usual touchy stuff. And after a while we went for second round. After a short BBJ she pulled over the cover and then we did some cowgirl, missionary and I finished in doggy. She's very tight and so it could not hold it too long unfortunately.

    Look: 8/10.

    Action: 8/10 (a bit more grip for BBJ would raise the score).

    WR: Hopefully.

  14. #27173
    Quote Originally Posted by Apdhillon  [View Original Post]
    it no longer gives me joy to spend money with random women to spend an hour with me. Don't get me wrong- I don't belittle sex work or people that pursue it. I have great admiration for people that can have their needs met and can afford it. Me personally, I come from a third world country and spending the equivalent of a month's wages on a woman for her to pretend like she wants your thing in her. Idk man. It all feels weird.
    That's your problem there. You're paying money thinking the girl will pretend to like you for an hour (or not). That's a bad take on this. It's better for you to go the SA route and find a sugarbaby. Don't go for escorts there, a real baby that will like you for your money but not only. She will spend time with you, write to you, ask about you, care about you if you build a real relation. This takes time and needs work to find the one that fits you.

    If you go to a prostitute for an hour, it's to fuck her. Period. Don't expect more than that. I personally don't care if she pretends to like me or not. As long as she is not obviously disgusted or unhappy. But neutral is fine. If she orgasms, good but it's not my main goal. I'm going for my own sexual pleasure and companionship.

  15. #27172

    Some musings

    This will likely get flagged and not even get posted but I wanted to share my $0. 02. I moved to dubai alone a year and a half back. The "meat market" is a good way to escape the loneliness that comes at you in this city. I feel like a lot of us young, specifically Indian dudes spend money to feel "wanted" or "desired' for a bit. I spend a lot of time reading posts on here but when it comes to picking up the phone and ringing a random woman I pussy out thinking of STDs or just the logistics. I had my share of "fun" at spas but frankly. Most of them don't do FS, the BBBJ offering makes me scared of STDs and well a HJ is usually better off at home with some good porn from Onlyfans.

    I admire the mongers that have been able to do it for a decade and not catch STDs or feel broken deep within. I realise the mongering is just me slapping a bandaid on what needs surgery. I think I will just retire from any active mongering because it no longer gives me joy to spend money with random women to spend an hour with me. Don't get me wrong- I don't belittle sex work or people that pursue it. I have great admiration for people that can have their needs met and can afford it. Me personally, I come from a third world country and spending the equivalent of a month's wages on a woman for her to pretend like she wants your thing in her. Idk man. It all feels weird.

    I share these thoughts because I recognise there's a lot of younger mongers here just lurking just like me. Obv this is ISG and you are not coming here for self help. The mongering world has a lot of soft skills you can actually use irl. I learned to be more street smart, understand the art of "trading" information and interact with women better. But if you are like me, fundamentally broken deep within, perhaps consider other avenues to spend your money and find happiness. Even consider therapy.

    I don't mean to retire from mongering. For now I am just trying to find models I relate to and have a steady rapport with. So far there's been shit luck on that end.

    Anyway, idk where I'm going at with all this. Just sharing my emo musings on balancing the mental aspects of mongering with the physical.

    Have a pleasant weekend.

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