Ciudad Juarez - 2003 Reports

[Dougie]

Hey, Sundevil, the bus marked "Circunvalation" would have taken you literally right to Consuelo's doorstep for 4 pesos, saving you cab fare and all the running, and maybe the trip to the slammer. ;^) Riding the busses ain't for everyone though. I'm a blue-eyed blonde gringo and I stick out like a sore thumb on the bus. The other day I got on the bus and there was a mama with three little girls. The two smallest girls couldn't take their eyes off of me and the smallest one was reaching out and touching me and laughing like I was a critter in a petting zoo. Her sisters were also laughing, and the mama was embarassed. I just said "esta bien" and she relaxed. This went on for 15 minutes or so, all the way from El Centro to the hotel. I even made some funny faces and really got them going. Everyone on the bus got a kick out of it too, smiles all around, although I think the driver was getting pissed because the smallest one was getting kind of noisy.

Just out of curisosity, why Consuelo's?? They are one of the more expensive and generally don't have much of a selection, although there is a chica there named Yvette that is cute if a tiny bit heavy, and she speaks perfect english with only a slight accent due to having grown up in the US. Very pretty in the face though, and probably the one you talked to. She has a tough time in MX since she also speaks spanish with an accent and is usually mistaken for a gringa or at least a chicana.

[Art68]

Really good report SunDevil. In light of our hobby it's always useful to have information about when things go wrong.

Sounds like you got off pretty lucky though.

[BorderJumper]

Excellent SundevilRN!!!!

[DreamingEagle]

So true, all of it. Any smell of alcohol on you changes the picture totally. I drink in my house, or in the bar beneath my apartments and no where else. Period.

[Sun Devil]

I had a very unique experience on Wednesday night in Ciudad Juarez. This is a long and detailed story of the event.

I had called a provider to Masaje Consuelo to see whether or not they were open. This was around 8 pm last Wednesday night. Calling her cell phone number, I asked whether she was available. She said, "Yes, but we will be closed around 9 pm, why don't you come tomorrow around noon". I replied that I cannot wait that long, but reconfirmed with her that they were indeed still open. I then took a taxi from the Santa Fe bridge to Triunfo to where Consuelo is around that area.

Running like a maniac through the neighborhood, in order to get my full hour of massage and sex at Consuelo, I quickly ran into the second floor of the building and knocked on the door of the establishment. Nobody answered the door and I finally noticed that the building was pretty much dark and all the business had closed for the night. I soon realized that the provider I called on her cell phone had lied and pacified me by saying that they were open whereas the place was already closed when I called her, which was about 10 minutes prior.

Just then, I noticed that a group of men had collected themselves on the parking lot below me. They had closed and locked the gate connecting the stairs from the sidewalk and the balcony that leads from the stairs into Consuelo. These men, including the property manager of the building, then accused me of trespassing and that I had climbed from the parking lot into the balcony. Knowing my innocence and not wanting to argue with them and the fact that I might break a leg jumping from the balcony into the parking lot about 13 feet below, I waited until a paddy wagon came.

Soon a police officer came out, and asked me to bypass the locked gate by climbing over the balcony wall and into the stairwell. I obliged and soon was told to hold my hands against my head. I did this and the police officer then ransacked my pockets. There were at least $150 in my pocket at the time, as well as my cell phone and other items. Fortunately for me, he did not take the $150 but just told me that, according to the men around him, I had trespassed illegally into the building where Consuelo is located after business hours.

I vehemently denied this and told them that I was told by one of Consuelo's providers that they were open until 9 pm and showed him the business card that I had of Consuelo's. Nonetheless, probably because of Mexico's Napoleonic Code of Law, where you are guilty until proven innocent, I was told by the police officer that because the men had accused me of trespassing I was to be put into the paddy wagon and taken to jail to see a judge, where there was a possibility of paying a fine of $100 or spending a night in jail. After asking for my license and asking me my name and address, he soon had me locked up in the paddy wagon, which contained another person, a Mexican national who was definitely inebriated. We all went to the jailhouse and I was told to wait, along with the Mexican gentleman, for the judge to see us for about 10 minutes in the jail lobby.

During that time, I scanned the environment I was in and saw a jail cell not far from me that contained about 30 Mexican men lined up in order to get their blankets for the evening. I soon started getting nervous in the fact that I could possibly be spending a evening with these guys in a jail cell that was definitely dirty and smelled like it has not been cleaned in ages. While waiting in the lobby, the word spread around that a gringo from Arizona, me, is currently in the premises. One of the policemen there had a short conversation with me and indicated that he had spent time living in Mesa AZ. I tried to act really friendly towards him, trying to find some allies in this place to help prove my innocence.

Soon I was put in front of the judge, a female, and she asked me what I was doing at Consuelo after 8 pm. I told her my story and showed her my business card. She asked me whether I drank any alcohol and did drugs. I told her that I don't drink nor do drug, which was 100% true. She then told me to see the doctor in the next room in order to make sure that I had not drank that night. I went into the room and he asked me the same set of questions and I responded the same way. Seeing that I had not drank and was not influenced any other way, he signed a set of papers indicating that I was chemically free and told me to see the judge again. Again the judge asked me what I was doing at Consuelo. I told her again that I wanted to get a massage and that I had not climbed into the balcony in order to get to Consuelo. She then asked me how I found out about Consuelo and I told her that I learned about it through the Internet.

Throughout this whole conversation, the implication of me having a sex at the place was known by everyone around me--the judge, the police officers, and the other officials. They knew the reason why I was going there, to get a massage and sex, and they saw no problem with that. The reason why I was hauled off into the jail was not because of prostitution but because I was accused of trespassing. This whole night was proving to be a lesson socially and culturally.

Anyway, the judge told me that I was free to go because apparently she realized that I was an innocent person accused incorrectly by a number of Mexican nationals. In my opinion, it also helped that I was not inebriated, acted friendly towards the police officer that had put me in the paddy wagon and taken me to see the judge, as well as the police officers in the station. In addition, because of my age (I am in my mid 20s) I was given a lecture by the judge that Juarez is dangerous at night and that I shouldn't be running around in neighborhoods looking for massage parlors during that time of the day.

The funny thing about this experience and the thing that I learned about the most during this evening was the generosity of the Mexican people. After being released from the jail station, I started walking towards the border, which was approximately 10 miles away. I had the idea of hailing a taxi as soon as I saw one and not minding paying any amount of fare in order to get away from the area as soon as possible.

I soon heard a horn and saw the same paddy wagon that took me to jail. The same police officer that had told me to put my hands on my head and had searched my person asked me whether I needed a ride to the border. This was unbelievable! I said yes and during the ride we had a conversation regarding massage parlor scene in Juarez! He indicated that he has been to several and that his favorite was Venus on Lincoln. He also pointed out the irony of my night, the fact that I wanted a relaxing evening at a massage parlor but instead ended up going to jail. He also remarked at the fact that a lot of American men love Mexican women, something which I consented to by the fact that they were more sexy and had better hearts than their American counterparts.

I learned a few lessons that night, which is are the themes of this story that I want to pass on to fellow mongers. One is that the Mexican people will try to pacify you by saying "yes" even though it is not true in order not to disappoint you. Mexicans, as a whole, like to please those around them.

Another is to not run at night in any Mexican neighborhood. As a whole, I don't think the Mexican people are fitness oriented as Americans, and seeing a person run, let alone at night will send a red flag to people that something fishy is going on. Try to act like the people around you. Certain things that we take for granted as innocent actions in the US are considered abnormal in other countries.

Third, paying women for sex is considered a normal way of life and going to massage parlors is seen as a good way to relax, something that is considered totally opposite in the good old United States. I felt like I was a criminal among those guys in front of the judge because of the fact that I was searching for a sexual provider that night. They were already attuned to that and saw no problem in what I was doing.

Fourth, don't ever drink in Mexico if you think there is a possibility of going to jail. I was caught in a good part of the city and was taken to jail. Imagined what would happen to you if you were seen drunk in el centro.

Five, the Mexican people are some of the nicest you will ever meet, both men and women. I don't imagine an American police officer ever giving me a ride home in his car after I had been accused of some criminal act.

Hopefully, if any of you guys ever get hauled off to a jail cell in Mexico, remember to act friendly, maintain your innocence, and not look like you're drunk or do drugs. Also, realize that your rights as an American citizen have been taken away as soon as you crossed the border, so don't ever act like an arrogant gringo asshole while in Mexico. You are considered guilty until proven innocent in that country.

[DreamingEagle]

Here you go:

[DreamingEagle]

Someone's mention of the stray dogs drew a smile.

I walked or rode the bus my first year, and I had totally forgotten the adrenilin rush of being threatened by a huge dog while on foot. The second I heard the little clitter clatter of claws on the concrete I knew I was in trouble. He charged me by surprise on Calle Panama from the side of a building, making a big ruckus. He followed me for about three blocks, barking all the way, right by my side, not sure if he wanted to bite me or not. He finally decided when we got some railroad tracks that having escorted me to the edge of his territory I could be allowed to go free, unharmed, out of the generousity of his heart. He even sat down on his haunches at the tracks and barked again to remind me not to come back.

Not to worry about most of them, though; if they bite people, someone kills them.

[DreamingEagle]

No, Calle Panama is not the best way to Del Ejido....I've included directions from the Hotel Villa Manport, walking/bus or driving. You can check out the exterior photo to see if you finally found it. Sounds like you did.

Location:
2900 Del Ejido at Juan Escutia

Telephone:
613-1369

Hours:
9 a.m. - 9 p.m., 7 days

Price:
$30 - 1 hour

DIRECTIONS

FROM SANTE FE BRIDGE
Walking/Bus:
•Walk south on Avenida Juarez until you get to Ave. 16 de Septiembre. Note that Avenida Juarez continues one more block, where it dead-ends into Vicente Guerrero.
•Walk to Vicente Guerrero, which is a 1-way street heading to your left (east).
•Take any bus which says "Futurama" on the windshield
•Get off at Ave. Lopez Mateos
•Futurama is across the street
•Turn right (south) on Lopez Mateos
•You can catch on of the brown buses moving along in the right lane if one is available, which may not be the case
•If so, get off at Del Ejido (3rd light)
•If not, walk to Del Ejido (5/10 mi.)
•Turn right (west) on Del Ejido
•The second stop sign you come to is at Montes de Oca
•Marilyn's is at the next stop sign (on your left) on the south-east corner of Del Ejido and Juan Escutia

FROM HOTEL VILLA MANPORT
Walking/Bus:
•From the front of the hotel, go to the opposite side of the street and catch the Circunvalacion bus to el centro
•Walk to Ave. Juarez and then follow the FROM SANTE FE BRIDE Walking/Bus walking bus directions above
or
•Walk south (left) from the hotel on Calle Panama until you come to Ave. 16 de Septiembre
•Continue on Calle Panama another three blocks until you come to Vicente Guerrero
•Hop almost any bus being sure to ask if it goes to Lopez Mateos
•Get off at Lopez Mateos and you will see Futurama across the street
•Turn right (south) on Lopez Mateos
•You can catch one of the brown buses moving along in the right lane if one is available, which may not be the case
•If so, get off at Del Ejido (3rd light)
•If not, walk to Del Ejido (5/10 mi.)
•Turn right (west) on Del Ejido
•The second stop sign you come to is at Montes de Oca
•Marilyn's is at the next stop sign (on your left) on the south-east corner of Del Ejido and Juan Escutia

Driving:
•Calle Panama runs the wrong way (north) from the Villa Manport, so turn left (south) at the next light, which is Costa Rica.
•You will come to Ave. 16 de Septiembre (3/10 mi.)
•Continue south on Costa Rica another three blocks until you come to Vicente Guerrero
•Turn left (east) on Vicente Guerrero, traveling on the right side of the street
•You will come to Ave. Lopez Mateos at the Rio Grande Mall
•Turn right (south) on Ave. Lopez Mateos and travel in one of the right lanes
•The third stop light is Del Ejido
•Turn right (west) on Del Ejido
•Drive very slowly on this street due to children
•The second stop sign you to is at Montes de Oca
•Marilyn's is at the next stop sign (on your left) on the south-east corner of Del Ejido and Juan Escutia

FROM FREE BRIDGE
Driving:
•Proceed south on Ave. Abraham Lincoln upon entering Mexico
•Take the spit in the road to the right after you being to see businesses to Avenida de las Americas
•Drive .5 mile, travelling in the left lane if possible. You will see the Hotel Villa Manport on your left at Calle Panama (a light).
•Turn left (south) on Costa Rica at the next light
•You will come to Ave. 16 de Septiembre (3/10 mi.)
•Continue south on Costa Rica another three blocks until you come to Vicente Guerrero
•Turn left (east) on Vicente Guerrero, traveling on the right side of the street
•You will come to Ave. Lopez Mateos
•Turn right (south) on Ave. Lopez Mateos and travel in one of the right lanes
•The third stop light is Del Ejido (5/10 mi.)
•Turn right (west) on Del Ejido
•Drive very slowly on this street due to children
•The second stop sign you come to is at Montes de Oca
•Marilyn's is at the next stop sign (on your left) on the south-east corner of Del Ejido and Juan Escutia

[Modern Man]

I will be in Ciudad for a few hours on Tuesday afternoon. Given that I have only a limited time, where do you mongers suggest I go. The MP's?, the bars. If you could provide specific directions from the Santa Fe bridge I would be exteremely greatfull. This is my first trip there, I hope it is a memorable one.

Many thanks,

Modern

[JtownJoe]

For those of you who are looking for Candy from Genisis. I think she is now in Dallas and probably married. I was with her a couple of times and she said she had a boyfriend who worked in Dallas. Next time I saw her she was a little fatter. Turns out she was pregnant , and I think she already had 2 other kids with her boyfriend. She was gone for a while to have the last baby and returned to Genisis after. When I saw her then she said she and her boyfriend planed to get married soon. It seemed she had her head on straight and she and her boyfriend where working toward a common goal. Hopefully she is now living happily ever after with her husband and children. She was a very sweet girl.

jTownJoe

[Mugroso]

I have spoken several times to a monger I call "skinny Santa Claus". I call him this because I can never remember his name and he looks like a skinny Santa Claus. Once he told me about trips to the Philipines. Earlier this year the told me about an upcoming trip he was taking to Thailand. He was really looking foward to it. On another occassion he told he that Marisela from Queens Place, good lay but complained that she made him wear a rubber.

This past weekend I observed Him and MariLu coming out of the rooms together. What a bummer. Sorry but I think of myself. I can't risk it guys. MariLu is now off limits to my cock.

Anyone know of any other good lays out there?

[RearWindow]

Clydesdale,

Thanks for the directions. Even without the street names, I can "see" the place in my minds eye. I go back to that jewel of a city Saturday (12/06) for 5 days, and can't wait to get reaquainted with a few friends, and hopefully make new ones.Will definitely take a look there.

EPG,

My mongering friend and I started a "guess how many stray dogs we'll see" bet for each trip.We put a taxi fare on the over - under. Helps keep the mind sharp ( I hope).

Viva Juarez!

[ElPasoGentleman]

Actually, I'm more afraid of the damn dogs more than anything else. Mangy mutts - probably too weak to snarl their lip let alone bite me - but I don't like them.

Downtown, lakefront Chicago neighborhoods spoiled me - extremely strict dog laws. I could ride my bicycle all day without any worry except for the cab drivers and a few other irates.

What's this got to do with mongering????? Not a damn thing. Lo siento.

EPG

[Clydesdale]

RearWindow,

Queens is a few hundred yards from the toll bridge from downtown El Paso. I don't remember street names, but here's the walking directions:

Make a right as soon as you get off the bridge. Go left on the first street you come to. Walk down that street until you come to the corner with the bars Hollywood and Las Vegas on it. Turn right there and it's right down the street.

[RearWindow]

To slightly change the subject, I took a two hour walking tour around Juarez trying to find Maseje Marilyn from the Villa Manport on E.Hermosa last trip.Ephram (?) gave me directions ..Panama Ave to Del Ejido.Well They don't meet as far as I found out, so I cruised around that area getting BAAD directions from everyone I asked!

They were friendly bad directions, I admit.

I think I finally found it, but they were undergoing renovations or closed. (Now a pale green building?)

If anyone can let me know if that was the place,that would be great.

For EPG et al, I never felt uncomfortable walking there,and I am as gringo (blonde blue eyes) as it gets.The best part was looking at los ninos checking me out.They were fascinated to see me, especially on my third lost trip down their street.

I have seen a few refrences to a bar named Queens, but no one I talk with knows it, Any help?