2003 Moscow Reports

[Boofer]

What about OH LA LA? Is it not the same management as Safari Lounge? I've had great time over there last year. Got the BJ of my life from a sexy blond stripper. is it still the same?

[Explorer8939]

Lap dances in Safari are indeed 100 rubles. The private dances are - I believe - 1500 rubles, and are very short.

[Balabon38]

Doctor_skank
The name of the Farmacies' chain in Moscow is 36,6 degree. This is in Celsiush normal body temperature. Means youa are healthy.

[CA Traveler]

doc... the $20 bill comment was a "relative" comparison between the costs between the "western" strip clubs and the "russian" strip clubs. I am not really into strip clubs and I can't speak from personal experience about Divas or SR, but at Platinum I think they were quoting $25 per lap dance, which lasted about 2-3 minutes, but admitedly it could have been a "private" dance.

OTOH, I know at Safari the lapdances are still sto rublie... I don't know about the private dances. As memory serves, I can tell you that the total charge for a girl and time in the dacha in the back runs about $70 for about 40-45 minutes. The girls that go back to the dachas were not the dancers, at least on the night that I was there.

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:
Tochkas: You are right about going early, especially on the weekends.

MM:
If your mission is to have a fun night out and having a couple of drinks while chatting with girls and friends, then CF is better than a tochka since selection is still quite good late. I think tochkas are most appropriate if your only mission is sex. Get a girl early and work her good. A fun time can also be had if you and your bud each get a tochka girl, you can have an orgy. Switch-a-roo's are possible, provided you don't "fall in love" with your new GF and want to keep her for yourself.

Ca_T:
Why $20 bills? Enlighten me. I know at Divas you have to buy "Diva dollars" anyway (Divas is NOT a great strip joint in my opinion, the only advantage being it's location near Pushkin square), but at other places you still pay 100 rubles for a lapdance, right? Have prices gone up?

BTW:
Bring your own condoms. If you don't have any with you, you can get normal western condoms at the 3-6-6 (?) pharmacies (there are some 24 hour ones on Tverskaya as well) but don't rely on your girl. Tochka girls in particular will have the cheapest style condoms with them, and often only 1.

[CA Traveler]

mm... more good advice from doc. I would clarify though... if you go to Platinum/Divas/Spearmint Rhino/etc. strip clubs bring lots of US$20 bills and not 100 ruble notes!!!! Unless you are independently wealthy, stay away from the big name strip joints and go to the Russian strip clubs like Safari and Oh-La-La (never been here, but it comes highly recommended).

Like doc, I would not miss CF or NF. They tochka near CF is good, but I'd suggest going there early, 10-1130 to check out the available product. Otherwise, if you go at 1 or 2 a.m. you may find only 2 or 3 girls available. You may have tough decision of taking a girl or heading to CF, but at least you will have seen the lineup even if you wind up at CF.

Two nights in Moscow is almost a teaser and you'll be forced to leave with your appetite still craving what you only had a chance to taste and not savor... I'd start planning my return trip now!

[Doctor_Skank]

MM:

Ca_T is right, you won't be able to do everything in 2 days.

I think NF is a must for any newcomer, and if you want to save $20 go there for a LATE dinner to save entrance fee (be sure to tell the security guys you are going to the restaurant and a girl will guide you upstairs), going down to the bar/disco after dinner at about 11-12 p.m. Going earlier isn't worth it, in fact the best time to go to the bar is around midnight.

Warning: You WILL be tempted to take one of the girls! If $200-300/night is in your budget then this may be a best choice for opening night. Bargain down to $150-200 though. Should be possible unless the place is totally packed.

Best strip club? Very subjective question, there are a lot of really good ones but an excellent affordable one is Safari Lodge. And you can do the deed on premises, which isn't common for a strip club. A strip club is also a must for a first timer, although I rarely go anymore as you can easily drop $100 there that would be better spent buying a girl somehwere else, but the the sheer volume of gorgeous babes is overwhelming. If you go to another club like Rasputin, Dolls etc. I don't recommend having a "private dance"...it'll cost as much as a whole night with a girl somehwere else and it isn't much more than an extended lap dance. Bring lots of 100 ruble bills to pay the lap dancers, or 50s if you are feeling cheap.

Cabana and Bells aren't must sees. They are relatively small discos of which there are dozens of in Moscow, if not hundreds. However Cabana and Bells (among others) do offer an alternative to CF and NF if looking for p4p girls, but NF and CF are more interesting for a first visit IMHO. If you are "just" interested in disco dancing, there are better places, depending on the day of the week.

After NF, you should check out CF. A different scene entirely and remember, after midnight ALMOST any girl can be had for $100/night. Never pay more at CF. IMHO the girls at CF on a good night reach NF quality at half the price. Maybe you can check out both places and write a report when you get back, I'd be interested to hear your opinion.

Best tochka? The one by CF is good, on zemlyanoi val on one of the neighboring roads. Tochkas are always hit and miss, but this one is fairly large at least. The pickings get slim after 1-2am, so if this is your intention I wouldn't go much later than that. Otherwise you may be better off at CF. Remember, you can always go to another tochka if you aren't finding what you like. Expect to pay the taxi driver 300-500 rubles depending on how long he drives you around. A tochka tour is more expensive than a normal taxi trip which rarely cost more than 100 rubles.

Massage club: RogerMellie recommended a place in a previous post, try using the forum search to check out his recommendation. Massage places sometimes offer FS, sometimes just HJ/BJ.

[CA Traveler]

NYM... Tempting as it is... I think you made the right decision. Of course, if I'd been in your position, I can't guarantee that it's the decision that I would have made, but who knows it could have saved your life.

CT... I know it's too late, but unless you are locked into a Russian hotel by your company, I would stay as far away from them as possible. The Marriotts and the Renaissance are worth the extra money if you plan to have guests and, personally, I love the apartments simply because you have total privacy. Of course, I understand that on a first visit, it can be a little intimidating.

arbat/doc... Looks like I've got to put Cabana on my schedule for my next Moscow visit.

MM... Sounds like a good plan, but it's a pretty full agenda for 2 days (hopefully, nights). Just a souple of suggestions... Moscow is a VERY late night town, but you can start your evening at NF with dinner and then check out the girls all before everything else gets started. Tochkas are not too difficult, but it is difficult to say which is the "best". Also, depending on the nights, don't forget CF as a great dance spot, especially Thursday. (see doc's analysis below)

[NY Monger]

Doctor Skank- Although she was attractive, I just didnt want to risk it. A guy's wife, who I do business with, is simply too close to home.

Plus I was staying at one of the monolith Russian hotels, so who knows what gets watched. Later that night though, I got a phone call from some woman asking me if I wanted compnay. So my guess was that they do watch and listen.

[Mystery Man]

Hi everybody.

This is my first report in WSG so hello to everybody.

I am travelling to Moscow end of November with my best friend for two days. This is our first "business" trip in russia. All your reports were very usefull.

We are staying at Marriot Grand. We are looking for the best girls.

-We will go th NL at least to see
-Safari looks also the best strip club ?
-Cabana or Bells ?? I thing Cabana
-Tochka looks to be more difficult, we will try at least to see how it looks. Do you were is the best Tochka ?
-I forget CF to have a beer.

If you have comments about these places they are welcome and comments on Moscow for new travelers as we are they are welcome.

Thanks

-Do you know a good maasage club with pretty girl to relax or a sauna ?

Thanks

[Doctor_Skank]

Cymru T :

Good things about Hotel Rossia:

It's cheap and well-located and has in-house working girls like almost all Russian hotels of any size.

Bad things about Hotel Rossia:

It isn't girl friendly and has watchdog security that you will not be able to fool. They'd ask your grandmother for ID before letting her up to your room.

Haven't been there in a couple of years, I suggest scanning old posts for info (use the forum search function). A couple of guys posted on Rossia several months back with mixed reports, but it sounded like there were a couple of decent options for in house girls and massages.

When at CF you can always ask the girls if they can go back to Rossia, if there is a way ($$$) they'll know it.

[Doctor_Skank]

Arbat,

Wow, somebody actually went with her? She is definitely not attractive in anyway. Still pretty cool that she did it. Wonder what her girls think of that? All I can say though is that I was very happy with her girls, but I never bought one "blind"...always had them parade their sexy bods in front of me before I made a selection.

Hippopotam and Slava:

Don't know about girls actually working there, but a few hos have told me that is where they go on their days off to dance. As far as I know these are "regular" discos.

NY Monger:

There is a saying "Moscow sleeps under one blanket". IMHO sleeping with a guy's wife is asking for trouble anywhere, but it is remarkably common in Russia. Whether or not you partake is your business. I just wonder if it is worth the trouble and eventual stress. Guess it depends on the situation and your personal take on the issue. Maybe you could have done the poor girl a favor...

[Arbat]

Doc: yes, it's the same woman. I know a man who laid with her, she told him that it would be for free but then she asked for a present. He didn't give her anything, also because he didn't like her performance at all, and as a revenge she started to tell to everyone that this man is a real loser, that he is not able to please a woman and other funny things like that In my opinion she has a story for everyone, she pretends to know everyone and if you ask her something she will always answer what is best for her. But I was curious to see if this was just a superficial opinion. Now I see it's not.

CA_T: I never asked for a specific girl, even if she claims to know all the stunners in Moscow, because I saw her too many times and I don't want to feel obliged to pick the girl that eventually arrive or risk that she become loud or point at me to all her working friends like a time waster. After all, I want to go back again to Cabana!

Hippo: I usually don't like this place, so I go there very seldom. But I didn't notice working girls there. Am I so blind? Or they just don't do it so openly there? Maybe they sit in the room with the pools?

[CA Traveler]

doc... good info.

I find that Sunday and Mondays are usually good at CF. Also, Thursdays at CF are very hot especially when they run the "Ladies Night" specials with free booze for the girls. Wednesday night is ExPat night until 2100 but there are usually a lot of girls there that work for Western companies and they usually stay. Tuesdays at CF are the worst and not worth the time to check out.

Like you, Friday and Saturday at CF are too packed for comfort.

I've been to Slava and I can tell you that it's a great club, but it's also the loudest disco with a throbbing Euro techno beat that I've ever seen. Beautiful girls, but a relatively long way outside the center. It is a very long way from the closest metro stop, yellow line I think, so plan to get a car if you ride the metro to the closest stop.

[NY Monger]

When I was in Moscow last, I had dinner with Russian colleagues and was driven back to my hotel by a guy's wife, who wanted to go back to my room. She started asking what I did at night and touching me and this scared me - I told her I wasn't feeling welll, time difference etc.

Have any of you guys ever had this happen? It seems like a mistake to chase other guys' wives in Russia to me.