2003 Moscow Reports

[Jes007]

If you read some of the posts here you will find recomendations. Accomadation is very expensive im Moscow. If you can just stay in one of the Marriots. The prices are from USD200 and up. Check this place, they have ad saying 120USD for Marriot Tverskaya. I never used them.

http://www.alphaomega-travel.com/main.html

If you can't afford that just rent an apartment for around 80-90USD. I can recomend Kiril. I rented and apartment in the city center for 90USD

WWW.KIRNAT:RU

[Opus Dog]

Any suggestions for places to stay in Moscow?

[Mohctep]

Wanted to add my 2 C to the situation in Russia and why is it so good for any decent guy.
And I am not talking about prostitution as we all do good with those girls as long as we pay.
There are very few available and decent men in Russia.
Why?
Well, after 2 world wars in which Russia lost over 30 million people, most of them are men. Then few civil wars then femine then Stalin's GULAG. Disproportion in population between men and women became so great that according to statistic Russia and Ukrain have predominanetly female population.
*If you factor that 90% of men age18-21 are in the army(draft in Russia).
*Great numbers of Russian men are alcoholics with terrible attitude towards women.
*Then factor drug addicts.
*Then factor gay men.
*Then factor income-very few young guys can afford good life in Moscow. And those who are successful and young and good looking are all spoken by harem of models(no kidding).
So that situation answers the question why foreigners and well to do man of any age would do very well with Russian girls.
They don’t have a choice. Even pretty ones get kicked around from boyfriend to boyfriend with really slim chance of getting some meaningful relationship. Because obviously Russian men not in any hurry to marry first good looking chick they bed. Yaa it is not a US)
When I first came to visit US. My friends had to explain to me BOYFRIEND concept. I honestly had no idea what the heck it is and why good looking girl would rather dance with her girlfriend then with me.

Oh yea almost forgot no emancipation. Which means women play on their femininity and not trying to become dickless men caricature.
And yes one more factor there. No religious repressive influence on human sexuality. Which means you can meet 20 y.o. girl that would impress you in bed. Not with stupid tricks but with absolutely uninhibited passion and sincere desire to please.
Sex is fun. Russians live for it.
Good luck.

[Doctor_Skank]

Fenster,

If I was in a tochka would I be in the 70, the 100 or the 150 category? Or maybe I'd be in Nìght Flight?

I feel that most guys will experience similar things as I do if they just try. A lot of guys I am positive are doing much better than I am.

Really don't know where I am on the scale, but I do well with women in any country I am in, but certainly not do not do "fantastically" well. I have above average looks but I'm definitely not the stud who gets all the chicks. I appeal to certain kinds of girls and women and not at all to others. I'm pushing 35 but look younger, am in good shape and live young. Nonetheless, it is noticeable that I score better in Russia than anywhere else I've been, which could mean any of the following:

* there is a foreigner bonus for the English-speaking
* there are simply percentage-wise more good looking women in Slavic countries than anywhere else and more chances
* I behave more confidently (to the point of brashness) in Russia than in other places, with a positive affect on my appeal to women
* the women see me as "money" or a way out of their boring lives
* there is little competition in Russia
* I have developed my skills and honed my approach
* I'm developing sexually
* Slavic girls like Western guys
*???

I assume it is all of the above and more in various doses. Judging upon my experience, I do refute the notion that all Russian girls are just gold-diggers, or at least more interested in a guy's money/position/genorosity than in other countries. My girlfriends, who come in all categories of looks, are very emotional, very female, very affectionate, very sexual and very romantic. They simply know their position in the world as a female and utilize it to the best of their advantage and to the delight of the accepting patrner.

An advantage to all guys out there, age dfference is not as important in Russia as in most of Europe and America. You will be able to at least get your foot in the door with a lot of girls by being a foreigner. What you do with that is up to your talent. I am sure their are guys out there doing much better than I am. I am still learning, but learning fast and getting much better at it. May sound simplistic, but everybody who gets a chance to do so in Russia should at least try to interact romantically with a normal female and observe their response. It may be different than what you expect. Be careful of the results though if you fall in love easily...

One thought: It does seem to me that if you get a girlfriend with whom you cannot communicate very well verbally, if you can still get past first base, the relationship will develop sexually very quickly, as she tries to express herself to you but can only do it sexually and not really verbally. (but still orally) There simply isn't much to talk about, so sex takes over. Maybe bullshit, but I`ve considered this a few times while planning my schedule...I book less time for the non- english speakers as I know that they'll get down to business right away whereas the Anglophiles will want to chat and practice their English skills.

mohctep:

I agree. There is always a prettier girl somewhere, you have to look to find the true 8s and 9s, usually they are well aware of their "market value" and will behave as such, but in the end they are still women... and vulnerable. Gladly swap info or ideas regarding club or pro scene with you.

Jes007:

Thanks for the great reports and fantastic pics. Way to go man.

[Jes007]

Nightflight:
I went to Nightflight only once and I was chatting with a lot of girls. I usually dress up nicely and I’m 30. Lot of girls tried to make contact. One blond got my attention and she told me about her performance. She did everything including anal and OWO. I think she asked for 400USD for night. I told her that I will think about that. She told me she drove an Audi8. I don’t want to give so much money to some who drives a more expensive car than me (I drive SAAB covertble). Then a girl I met in april came and talked to me. I went home with her. She did covered BJ and classic. But she looks great. Paid her 200USD night. See her in photo section later.

Line-ups:
I was at CF and was chatting with a nice girl and came in a situation. One guy I met couple of days before wanted that girl and since he left next morning I told him it was ok. It was late and the selection was not good. So I wanted to check out the line up scene. I took a cab and asked the driver to get me to a line up. He told me it was late and drove me to a place close to Leninsky prospect. This was my first time and we stopped the car close to a van. The selection was thin and we saw police cars around. They had 70, 100 and 150 categary. Nothing to choose from 70, so I took a look on the 150 and picked up a nice looking girl. But she did not wanted to come with me. I think it was because I of Indian origin. Then I selected a moldovian blond with great tits from the 100. On the way back home we was chase by a police car and stopped. I think they followed us. Asked for my passports and the girls. I did not have the passport in my pocket and the girl did not have any papers. We had to stop the car and unfortunately I forgot my passport in my coat in my apartment and the girl didn’t have any papers. The police guy asked us to sit in the police car and come to police station. I started to explain him that my passport was in apartment and I’m ready to pay fine. He told me minimum 100USD. I refused firmly and said 50USD but he had to come to an ATM to get the money. He went to talk to the two other policemen. At this time the girl was chatting and laughing in the police car. We agreed and drived to the ATM. The two first ATM didn’t work. I got the money at the third ATM. Before I gave him the money my driver and me asked if there any chance other police guys will do the same on the way to my apartment. Then the police guy was laughing and talked to the other guys. You can’t believe this, they escorted us to my Puskinskaya sq. I would give the girl 7. In the beginning she don’t wan to do OWO or anal. After some discussion she did every thing including anal and CIM. I could do every thing I wanted with her. She stayed with me until 10 and I tipped her 1000 rubles.

Other day I found a driver talked decent English and told him about line-up. He knew and told me that girls usually don’t have papers and police always stop the cars. I tought my apartment was max 1km from the spot, what can happen? I told him ok and talked to the girl in Tverskaya, she old us that the prices are 100, 150 and 200 USD. 100 meters from the main street there were around 25 girls. I picked up a 20 yrs old Ukrainian girl, Olga. We started driving and within 30 seconds there was a police car behind us. This time I had my passport but the girl didn’t have any. The police man laughed and told me that the girl had to go to the station. The driver negotiated for me and the police said 1000. We paid them 500.

The girl looked good, see pics. She told me that she was working only this month and will go back to Ukraine next moth. First she didn’t want to give me BBBJ, I had to talk to her for 15 minutes to give me BBBJ. I didn’t ask for anal.

[Mohctep]

Enjoying your reports guys. Thanks.

I would like to exchange info and pics of girls that i liked.
Such database could greatly reduce search time and sometime misses that inevitable even in Moscow.

I went home alone a few times. To no fault of my own,mind you. Simply on some nights you have better selection on some you have absolutely nothing.

Reminds me of one night I spend in Circus club in Moscow.
Owners of that club use to serve drinks to girls for free and rumor has it even paid them to show up at that place.

I can definately say that I have never seen so many truly stunning women in one place within a span of 4 hours. Good night at NF was a cattle farm compare to that memmorble night at Circus.

So what was my point? Oh yea. Even in Moscow you have to search high and low for truly beautifull ones. And not all of them are pros.

As I understand some of that info is sensitive I dont expect to do it on forum.

Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service.

[Fenster]

Doc,

A great alternative report, you’ve filled in some gaps in a scene not much broached. I have just a couple of inquires to better understand how can one maximize the success rate on this freebie scene. Now I’ve noticed the dievushki respond well to you, and apart from your charm that comes through the lines you post, will you divulge whether you’re young and super handsome, handsome or average looking like most of us?

The reason I ask is not to pry, but to ascertain whether the monger has to possess certain physical assets to get close to your success rate on the freebie scene. Of course, it goes without saying that one must dress properly and be well groomed, but will you say if your looks are playing a big part in your hit rate? Your answer will play a great part in determining whether this scene is worth while for the over 30, average looking monger, or not. Thanks.

[Jes007]

I didn’t had time to write a report since august. Now I’m back and would like to give a report about my last trip to Moscow in august. I was there for 6/7 days. This time I was there only for fun and stayed at an apartment I rented from Kiril from www.kirnat.ru. I paid 90USD pr day and I have nothing to complain about. Great service, including airport pick up (for additional 35USD). Kiril and the driver were very helpful, but they don’t know anything about my activities. The apartment is just behind Nightflight. Nice studio with cooking facilities, double bed and a living room area with sofa and TV (including English channels).

I used to go to many different places. I want to give details about Chesterfield, Nightflight, line-ups private apartments and escort services.

Chesterfield or Doug and Marty’s
I used to go there very often and this time I was there for a couple of times. There not many guests in Nightflight so many (not all) nice girls go to CF due to lack of customers in NF. Around 10 girls told me that, all of them are from 7-9. First time I hooked up with one girl. I was tired and not in the mood. This girl hung with me all the time and didn’t let me go. I will give he 6.5 in looks. It was late and she wanted to join me. We agreed 70USD and she did OWO, anal and CIM. She stayed with me until 9 AM. I will give here 9 for the performance. I didn’t had change and I gave her 100 USD. I don’t ant picture of the girl.

Next time I went early there. I met a lot of nice expats there and chatted with them and had couple of gin and tonics. Then I met a couple of CF girls and a couple of NF I met in april. They all remembered me. I don’t speak Russian and have a handicap there, so my conversation is limited. Many of the NF girls asked for 200USD to stay with me until 5 AM. Some of the went down to 150, but I rejected all of them. Then time I got my eyes on a slim, tall blond with curly hair. She was standing there alone and didn’t drink any thing. I started to chat with her. She was around 176cm and told me that she was not from Moscow but she came to there for a couple of months for working. She was a teacher and told me that she usually go to NF but not many clients there. She asked for 150 for all night and I agreed. She don’t drink and hate the place and wanted to go to my place. She looked even better naked. She performed OWO and normal sex. We did 3 times. I will give her 9 for looks and 9 for performance and attitude. I asked her to stay with me next day and show me around in Moscow, but she told me she allready booked the ticket home and left the apartment 10AM. I don’t have any fotos and even If I had any fotos I wouldn’t publish it. But if you follow the descriptions it’s easy to find her. Don’t miss.

The third time I was there I hooked up with a Moldovian girl and she told me that she was 18 but probably 20. She asked for 100USD and stayed with me for only 2.5 hours. Not great in bed but worth the money. I will post the picture later.

Continues later

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T,

Thanks for "taking one for the team" and doing that blonde...can't wait to see the pics!

As for "red", she really is amazingly cute. Can't wait to see her again in January..she accepted my excuse with a "ya zhdu solnischko" or something like that.

BTW: check out Jes007's chick in the photo gallery if you haven't already. Wow, way to go Jes! Any details on performance? She is dressed well-enough to go clubbing or to dinner with... I am of the opinion that going out with a chick is defintely a performance enhancer.

The tochkas around the Marriott Grand are rising on my choice of mongering venue, although I am due for Zem Val and Cabana again! I am really curious if my luck at Cabana was just fleeting, seems that it is too out of the way for most, even though it is right by the Baltschug Kempinski. Remember, I nailed an 18-year old newbie stripper from Divas there for $100...3 hours of bliss before I sent her packing. Next time we are in town together we should check out Cabana on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. My Thursdays will be at CF.

[Seek Rus]

Doc,

I think that you are going to need to open an account somewhere to show those cool pics and some of the video you have!

I guess nobody sing to be soundman yet... net?

[CA Traveler]

doc... nice report! You were understating "red"!!! She was so cute I almost ripped her out of your grasp and hauled her away!
This is the stuff you'll remember when you get up in years... 55 or so... WAIT a minute... Make that 65 or so!!!

RE: Whining tochka girls wanting more money... I have never experienced that situation. I'm sure that it has happened, but people should not think that is a normal situation. Just like being stopped by the Militia... it happens but it is not a normal occurence. This trip, I was not stopped once even though two nights ago we past three militia cars on the way back to my apartment. Normally that is a sure receipe for being stopped.

I really think that they have been given orders to stop hassling the tourists and focus on the bombers.

doc... I want you to know that tonight I did one for the crew... Went to the tochka to give the main mama a 100 rublie Happy New Year's treat. However, while there I noticed a cute blond novie treat, and decided to partake for my last night in Moskova. Pictures of course!!! Overall this has been a great trip and I can't wait to download my pics and see if there are any worth having in the bunch.

[Doctor_Skank]

Having posted on the p4p and tochka scene in particular, kindly allow me to post something about the so-called freebie scene, which I focused on in the second half of my trip.

I don't mention any p4p action here, but could be interesting for you guys thinking of pursuing this avenue. If you aren't interested, don't read on.

After two tochka days, I finally hooked up with Ca_T on a Thursday night at around 12 at CF. CF is a good night because it is ladies night and there are a lot of "normal" girls there as well as pros. I wasn't really in the mood to pick up a p4p girl, but nonetheless was ready to check out what CF had to offer. Almost upon entering, I spotted an extremely cute redhead and made some eye contact. She was with friends, so Ca_T and I chatted for a while before heading to the dance floor. He's a great guy and knows a lot about women BTW, but you all already know that... We traded some tips and opinions before seeking female companionship.

My initial efforts were concentrated on a Chinese girl from Peking, but despite some attraction I realized it wasn't going anywhere so I moved on. While I was patrolling CF, the red-headed girl walked by me and we made eye contact and she smiled. I instinctively reached out and grabbed her arm and pulled her to me, telling her something. I don't remember what, but in any case she was pleased. Almost unthinkable to just reach out and grab a girl in America, if done right in Russia it can make or break your evening. It made mine. Maybe under different circumstances I could have gotten into trouble with a boyfriend or brother, but the point is in Russia you really have to go for it. Girls expect it. Davai! Waiting around for something to happen won't get it done. Getting women in Russia is not automatic by any means despite reports of how easy it is.

After a while I lost track of Ca_T as I became totally fascinated by the red-headed girl. I trust he'll forgive me! She was fairly petite and had one of the most angelically innocent faces I have ever seen, not to mention a lovely body, small yet shapely ass, bare midriff shirt exposing a delicious smooth stomach and topped it all of with a beautiful smile. She looked perfect. Soon I met her friends (2 very cute girls and a guy) and we danced for a while and at some point I began kissing "red". I made a point of speaking to her friends earlier establishing their trust...after all they had a sharp eye on their friend's new "admirer". After all, she wasn't going to do anything without her girlfriends approval. Apparently I passed the test, as about 4 hours later she was in my apartment and I was thoroughly enjoying her fine body, and gave her her first taste of oral pleasure. She flipped out. I suspect I was one of her first guys and I was definitely the first that really gave her sexual pleasure. The next morning she left early and I called her later that day to meet Friday night. She claimed to have a temperature, but I could hear her mom in the background and I suspect she got in trouble for not coming home until morning the previous night. We agreed to meet again later and she seemed genuinely elated when I told her I really liked her. I could really hear the joy in her soft, lilting and somewhat shy voice. I really don't know how I am going to tell her I won't be back in Moscow until the end of January... the situation admittedly frustrates me. So it goes.

BTW: "Red" spoke very little English, had I not learned at least basic Russian, I would have had no chance to pick her up. So much for the theory that all young Russian girls speak English.

CF: I know there are mixed opinions on this place, but if you haven't been there you must go check it out and form your own opinion. I have had some great p4p adventures there and scored a number of freebies, including "red", who still occupies my thoughts and was one of the cutest girls I've ever picked up for free. Period.

Friday I hooked up with Ca_T again, we met at Hard Rock Cafe, which is conveniently located at one end of Old Arbat (Stary Arbat). The most convenient way to get there is either by taxi or metro, either way the location you want to aim for is Smolenskaya Metro Station, Hard Rock is around the corner from the station, just down the street from McDonalds. Ca_T and I both agreed that Hard Rock has improved tremendously. So far no working girls (at least I couldn't pick any out), whether or not that scene will become a part of HRC will depend on their success. On this Thursday night, HRC was doing well. Cute young girls mixed with a crowd of all ages (mostly Russians from what I can tell) were dancing on the dance floor, in the aisles, on the tables...

It is a fun place, even if HRCs are not your scene, it is definitely worth a look. I spotted some real cuties and Ca_T and I debated staying there to work the freebie scene, but at about 1:30 the cute young girls started leaving. I suppose they were either going to discos or rushing home to make curfew. They had missed the last metro at 1 am, so I suspect most were going clubbing.

So we elected to go to Karma Bar, a place that has treated me well in the past. It was a really fun time although at some point I became quite drunk. As fate would have it, 2 girls which I had been making progress on a few weeks back before screwing it up by being greedy were there again and I ignorantly stumbled into the same trap, working them both. The cuter one, with a moody angular slavic face, hair pulled straight back into a pony tail, her face stern and almost cold, but her almost orientally slanted eyes fiery and intelligent, recognized me and we talked. She reminded me quite soon into our conversation that last time I was there I had been hitting on her sister and consequently she maintained distance. Shortly thereafter I spotted another girl I knew from the same night I met moody girl and after approaching her we hit it off, dancing slowly and soon doing some kissing and teasing each other, groping each other and generally making a scene. I was 100% positive I'd score. And of course I didn't.

Without warning, she and her cute friend decided to go home without me. They are two girls from Voronezh. Would be a double date made in heaven. Fellas?

Having exchanged phone numbers (which rescued me because I had forgotten her name) she left and I refocused on Tanya the moody Slavic girl. Despite the fact that she had seen me hitting on her sister a few weeks back and seen me mauling some poor blonde from Voronezh a few minutes earlier on the dance floor, our conversation warmed and I scored some points. But that was all I scored. Maybe it'll pan out later on. Maybe not. There are more where she came from in any case.

No excuses though, that Friday night I went home very much alone. Felt bad but strangely enough it was just what I needed. A dose of reality.

Saturday was spent with my girlfriend "M", an 18-year old whom I'd given her first orgasm a couple weeks back. This time, she insisted we stay in all night and fuck as much as possible. Seriously, it was her idea. So we did, more than 6 times (I only came 3 times in the course of about 8 hours, but she got off repeatedly). We only stopped to go to McDonalds for a burger and shake. Her choice, not mine. I offered to go to a nice place, but she wanted McDonalds. So much for Russian girls being gold-diggers. The evening was one of my best performances, a lot of it on video. Interestingly enough, during the night we talked a lot about her girlfriend, whom she says she has lesbian sex with and whom gives her the best oral sex. I asked if her friend could give me some pointers. She smiled coyly and shrugged her shoulders, so I think a threesome might be possible. In any case, I'm sure I could convince her friend "N" to double-team my girlfriend "M" together with me.

So that's the other side of the coin, away from the p4p scene. Both scenes are remarkable in Moscow and both with their advantages and disadvantages. I'm just glad both are readily available.

[DeepInTexas]

I've never been to a tochka, but according to a report at the Exile, the money breakdown at the tochka is as follows. Ten percent off the top for the street girl. I guess because she is the main reason anyone can even find the other girls. I would imagine she is probably also cute like the window candy girls in Amsterdam's red light district, and also gets paid well because she doesn't get to trick that night.

Then it's a even split after that. So a hundred girl should get forty five. The other fifty percent then I guess pays for the mamatchka, the muscle, and the rest to the mafia.

Hell, I don't even know why a mamatchka would figure in all that much anyway. All she really is doing on the front of the scene is taking the money and calling out the price range. Anyone could do that. It's not like she is influencing your selection.

I really can't see even a penny less then that not going to the girl. I mean forty five out of a hundred is already bad enough. Not to mention that the mafia will get some of the forty five from them in other ways anyway. (rent, drugs, money lent to travel to moscow with interest.)

Anyway, like I said, I've never been to a tochka, but that's how I read it from the report in the exile. It made sense when I read it to. I mean like I said, forty five out of a hundred is already crap. I would imagine however that most girls would try and convince a person that they get less, in hope of getting a better tip. It would sound better then a sob story because you were the one asking.

[Hargow20]

Usually younger girls are better as a rule.....They look better, they have better attitudes and are nicer. The best thing is that they are willing to do more.

[Doctor_Skank]

MM:

Of course money talks and you can persuade with it, I never really have had to. Not because I am so naturally persuasive, but because most of the "extras" on the menu are not all that interesting for me. I am not so much into anal sex that I really crave it, but that is the kind of thing that some girls will only do for extra money.

It is very rare that I've been refused BBBJ or DFK, I can't recall a tochka girl that refused me. Some CF girls won't DFK and judging from other guys reports, some NF girls don't either. Where is the logic in that ? Pay 3 times as much but half the service? They get away with it and are spoiled. Tochka girls aren't spoiled at all. That is another topic entirely though.

I hear you on the "I'm so poor, kids at home, husband left me etc." stories. These girls you can usually write off as a loss, I can't stand them. The sex might be physically ok, but mentally I don't want to deal with their garbage. I hate it when that happens. It happens more rarely than I expect. I think the secret to avoiding that is to choose YOUNG girls. Nearly every negative experience I've had was with a girl on the other side of 25.

"Anything you want" for an extra $20? I think I'd pay it just to see how far I could go.

Do locals get better prices? Not during the selection process at a tochka. The girls don't know you are a foreigner and the mamachka doesn't care. Locals do have other advanatges though in speaking fluent Russian, meaning they can bargain better, especially for call up girls from agencies etc. They can also make their demands known more clearly and may have advantages with some girls conversationally or culturally. Many girls prefer foreign men however, particularly Western men. So I think that evens out. I just treat her nice (without spoiling or doting mind you) and hope for the best and am rarely disappointed. In the end, I'm being spoiled by the Russian market.

Differences between $70-$100 and $150: generally speaking it breaks down as follows, based on my observations. Would be interesting to hear the other guys opinions on this.

$70: sometimes average looking new girls, some skanks, lots of less attractive Moldavans etc. I have never seen anything worthwhile here, but it pays to take a look sometimes. They look like "real" streetwalkers. Some chubby ones, some downright ugly ones, occasionally some somewhat cute ones. Range 3-6 mostly 4s.

$100: My main market. On a slow night you'll find girls ranging from 5-8, but generally the girls are in the 5-7 category. This category is the "main" category and the most girls can be found here. A mix of all ethnic groups, Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbekis, Moldavans... I can usually find something here, but on a busy night and especially after 1 am it can be pretty picked over and there will only be leftovers in the 4-6 range left. These girls are sometimes very good. Sometimes they are even perfect, except for some minor flaw that bumps them down to this category, like bad skin, crooked teeth etc. Matter of taste and budget. If you go early and get lucky, you can nab a solid 8 from this price range. The girl I rejected with crooked teeth was most likely brand new. Maybe I should have taken her, I might have been her first. Range 5-8, mostly 7s.

$150 is where you'll have to shop on a busy night if you go late. The girls in this category all have good bodies and usually have no physical flaws such as bad skin etc. Sometimes the $100 girls jump up to this category after the pickings get slim for top girls, sometimes $150 girls are bumped down to the $100 category if it doesn't appear they'll get selected for a top dollar price. Very few darker-skinned Russians in this category (Moldavans etc.), mostly blondes. Range 7-9, but mostly 8s.

The price tag won't affect performance in my opinion, it really is like selecting cattle at an auction. I generally select between $100 and $150 depending on mood and availability. I look for smiles and positive attitude when choosing, unless I am "on safari" and trophy hunting for something in particular like a girl with big tits, a blonde, or a skinny one, or a Moldavan, or an Asian looking one... the selection and variety is unparalleled.

On many nights there is little difference between the $100 and $150 categories. It truly pays to look at the whole selection before making a decision.

Clothes: Most girls (whether $100 or $150) are dressed in clothes that look cheap. Like ripoff fake stuff. Not necessaríly skanky, but not high end by any means. CF and NF girls are usually dressed very nicely, tochka girls aren't. They look poor. (probably because they are) I agree with Ca_T, it might be difficult to find one that is dressed nice enough to go out to any decent place. Normal Russians girls dress very nicely (not necessarily in expensive designer clothes, but fashionably) and tochka girls will stick out. They can be a little rough around the edges, like diamonds in the rough.