2005 Moscow Reports

[CA Traveler]

HM... Of course you are absolutely correct... supply and demand and the price will go where the market takes us...

However, pardon me if some of us opt out of the demand side and seek other markets where the cost is not so high! Granted that the girls have every right to charge what the market will bear and it WILL CONTINUE to go higher because in many parts of the world where the men come from Moscow is still a bargain especially when you consider the perceived quality.

That said, I know many men who are now flocking to other venues because of the price.

I have another theory that the supply in Moscow is also down somewhat because of the new rules requiring int'l passports from Ukrainians. So Moscow is experiencing a double whammy with lower supply and men willing to pay anything to get the goods.

IMHO, I wish you the best, but pardon me if I enjoy my pleasure someplace a little more reasonably priced and a little more stress free...

You see the cost of the girl in Moscow is just one part of the equation... You now have very high hotel/apt costs, visa costs, registration costs, exposure to a corrupt militia that will shake down the same guy for $35 to $100 and the overall stress of knowing that you could be hassled by the militia at any moment or your passport could get stolen or the girl could drug you...

Thanks... IMHO, Moscow was wonderful while it lasted but it is at the end of the "beginning of the end" for the monger who just wants to visit to have a good time... the rich oil execs and businessmen have taken over and if they can afford it, I wish them the best!

Personally, I'll just enjoy my life by the sea with the 10-20C temperature difference... living on 30% or less than what it cost me to live in Moscow... watching the most beautiful women in the world every moment that I step foot outside my house... screwing many of the same quality women for a fraction of the cost in Moscow!

Or to quote that famous American poet, James Buffet, "I'm just glad I don't live in a trailer!"!

For you though... I say get it while you can!

[Helena Moscow]

Cost of living get's higher. So girls have to ask more. Othervise it will become more profitable to sit in offices, build careers and find young husbands instead of hanging about with clients. And the are still enough people willing to pay.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]

Chatting isq with a gf, she just told me that some rich English guy whom she's never met nor ever will meet sent her $700 for Christmas. She's really average at best, but even she lives off of this worldwide notion that Slavic women are the best... I can't say I disagree... but...

WTF

Moscow is EXPENSIVE but it is full of opportunities. The only problem is senseless price increase. Girl asks $100; three months later she asks $150 or $200. Same boobs, same boots, but she finds her self in a ridiculous cash flow. Some guys from EU and US throw nonsense amount of cash.

Girls demand more and more. Last year, it was not like that. What’s going on?

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Doc,

Clock is ticking…I will be there next Saturday. I have already arranged three freebies (girl friends of a friend of mine in Istanbul).

ORGY is a great idea; why not. I threw one for my American/Turkish friends in Istanbul.

Boobs, booze, lesbi show and sex…. Unfortunately, my friend lives in a two-room apartment. Not enough space for all those girls and guys.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO ARRANGE ONE, I WILL BRING THE 30 YEARS OLD JACK...

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“CASH IS KING IN MOSCOW”-QUOTED BY NF’S NIGHT MANAGER…

[Starchild2012]

Thanks Guys for the positive encourgement.

I will post my travel exp. , i have taken a lot from here....its time to give give give...both here and to russian cutiess....


Loser

[Big Bro AJ]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Chatting isq with a gf, she just told me that some rich English guy whom she's never met nor ever will meet sent her $700 for Christmas. She's really average at best, but even she lives off of this worldwide notion that Slavic women are the best... I can't say I disagree... but...

WTF

Moscow is EXPENSIVE but it is full of opportunities. The only problem is senseless price increase. Girl asks $100; three months later she asks $150 or $200. Same boobs, same boots, but she finds her self in a ridiculous cash flow. Some guys from EU and US throw nonsense amount of cash.

Girls demand more and more. Last year, it was not like that. What’s going on?

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Doc,

Clock is ticking…I will be there next Saturday. I have already arranged three freebies (girl friends of a friend of mine in Istanbul).

ORGY is a great idea; why not. I threw one for my American/Turkish friends in Istanbul.

Boobs, booze, lesbi show and sex…. Unfortunately, my friend lives in a two-room apartment. Not enough space for all those girls and guys.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO ARRANGE ONE, I WILL BRING THE 30 YEARS OLD JACK...

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“CASH IS KING IN MOSCOW”-QUOTED BY NF’S NIGHT MANAGER…

[Doctor_Skank]

Moscow is getting weirder by the moment as if the city is determined to regain the title won in the late 90's as the world's most decadent city.

Chatting isq with a gf, she just told me that some rich English guy whom she's never met nor ever will meet sent her $700 for Christmas. She's really average at best, but even she lives off of this worldwide notion that Slavic women are the best... I can't say I disagree... but...

...anyway, when I met her she was a virgin, determined to lose that status... with me. I guess it was a case of "right place right time" or "right eu de cologne" or maybe just "have condom will travel".

But now she has adopted the true decadent aire of Moscow's wannabe elite. She is really into the idea of me throwing a party and inviting strippers and prostitutes and friends and having an orgy. It's a great idea I admit (but actually its what Big Bro AJ does every 4th weekend I think... ), but I only agreed to do it if she chips in the $700 the English bloke sent her... she'll think about it. So will I.

Slavic girls are just cool.

[CA Traveler]

Just wanted to let everyone know that the Hotel Rossiya is closing at noon on 31 December... SO, if you plan to visit Moscow in the future you had better book ASAP and plan to pay much more because the entire city will be packed for the foreseeable future.

[CA Traveler]

bl5... First of all, an incident every hour??? Not sure that is a real statistic, but in any case as doc said racism does exist.

The second thing is that I continue to harp on Spb as a dangerous city... it doe not matter if you are black, brown, tan, white or green... If you are not a Russian you are at risk there... in fact, I'm not sure being a Russian is a guaranteed hall pass there. Even Russia recognizes that there is a serious problem in Spb and you only have to follow the Moscow Times for a while and you will see that over a period of time. AND, I suspect that the real number of incidents in Spb is understated because it is keeping many tourist, especially from Finland, away.

Moscow is a far safer city for many reasons, one being that there are fewer tourists per capita than Spb and they are spread out over a larger area. In Spb, they are grouped together in the center and are obvious. Not only that, but in Spb the problem is not just with gangs, but also with the police... In Moscow they want your cash, doesn't matter what color or nationality... In Spb, they want your cash AND they are just as likely to hurt you and rob you as anything else.

Plus, in Moscow there are many clubs where you could go and other than the girls, you might very well be the lightest skinned customer in the place. Plus, you have the international type places like CF where you would be just another member of the crowd.

Personally, I would stay in Moscow even though it is more costly... I'm even talking about myself!

BUT, you will also notice that the headlined article was in the suburbs... None of us want to hang out in any of the suburbs... in Moscow, in St.Petersburg, or even in Paris!

Go on and go to Moscow, if you go to Spb be very careful and I would suggest having a wingman. Of course, it's a good idea to have a wingman no matter what or where...

[Doctor_Skank]

BL5,

You are right, actually we've written a lot on this subject already and essentially nothing has changed.

Is there racism in Russia? Sure.

Russians are not only racist, but also very nationalistic. I dont know if they are more racist than the people of other nations (I doubt you could find a country with no racial stereotypes, including your own) but their nationalism is nearly without limit, even if some of their outward pride is motivated by a latent inferiority complex.

Personally I have only seen a few racially-motivated incidents and they were just as often a group of dark-skinned guys causing trouble as native Russians. None of the incidents escalated beyond name calling and some shoving. Violence inside a Russian club is something I've never personally seen. Can it happen, I'm sure it can... I have just never seen it.

Daily hassles are more likely... sometimes non-white guys can't get past security/bouncers and into certain clubs, some girls may not want to meet you or give you their telephone number, sometimes the police target dark-skinned (Arabic or Chechen-looking) people for random searches or ID checks. Some Russian guys may resent your presence among the dyevki in their playing ground. But then again, those things can happen to anyone and your race may not be the reason.

As we posted before, there are many Indian posters who have had great times and great success in Russia. Mixed race couples, at least in Moscow and St.Pete, are not too uncommon. Some women prefer men of other races.

Xenophobic or racially-motivated violence is something a foreigner in a strange land must always be wary of, especially when drink and women are involved. I am certain there are areas of Bombay or Calcutta where white people or other foreigners would also have to be careful.

I think your main concern with going to Russia is bringing warm clothes and bringing enough money... especially if you are going to Moscow.

[Starchild2012]

Doctor_Skank, CA Traveler

Help me senior members, i being hearing a lot about race tolerance in russia..im from asia and to be exact india and seemingly we have a good relation with the russians,,, but when it come to people to people interaction its as usual...

I know there are countless messages written in this forum about race problems and how to deal with it everything...however....i can't just help but keep googling myself for latest update....on race relation in russia..

This news is just 9 hr's ago

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968350060724

an african student was murdered and his friend injured...

if you google news race racism russia..you can see in every hour there is some race related death or crime....its sooo big ..that a non-white guy willl think twice to go out...but hell..the russian women..are sooo out of this world...i feel no one on this world can stop me from coming to russia..

but yet ...its better to be prepared than to ..im not getting the rhyme here....but you know wht i mean...

i don't know if a non-white guy can ever have the same sense of freedom as a white tourist...but man....i don't damm care..what happens to me..i have to come...the kind of women i see everyday...in forum...i better be a freak with death then to die in my home seeing those women....

[Bees11]

Anyone had any luck hooking with the girls from the
http://www.1000-russian-girls.com/ website.

Some real lookers on here.

[Doctor_Skank]

Peasant:

The mamba.ru dating site has the exact same database as most other dating sites, such as the mail.ru site.

They are all good hunting grounds for pros and regular girls alike.

[CA Traveler]

peasant... There is usually, at least as of a few months ago, a small tochka in one of the parks near the Lubyanka, but it may be a little farther along the road. I've never seen anything there worth having. That said, you don't have to go to Leningradski or Leniniski prospect... go to CF on the garden ring and work yourself back on the outer ring of that road and you should/may see beacon girls along the way.

R09... wow! Maybe you should try it again... it can't be that bad the second time!

When I finish my Odessa report in a few days, this will all seem so... so... lame!

Teaser... back to back just turned 18 y.o. beauties... $60 for average of 1.5 hours. Plus, they commited to longer time for less money next time so we could enjoy a quiet sauna and jacuzzi... sorry, they wanted $100 for photos and I'm not that dedicated to you guys! I will take contributions though!

[Doctor_Skank]

I haven't actually tried this girl, but she looks interesting for those looking for escorts in the classic meaning of the term.

http://www.callhelena.narod.ru/

Here's her prices:

"The usual rates for Moscow are: 150 euros for 1 hour appointment, 200 for 2-3 hours, 300 - overnight, 450 - the whole day and night. Classic and oral included, the rest must be discussed. For a journey escort 400 euros per day plus travel expences. "

Pretty face, speaks English and seems to have really nice breastesses.

Not my pic, its from her slow ass website.

[Doctor_Skank]

Raptor09:

Thanks for reporting on your evening, although even as nice as Julia appeared to be, as you correctly pointed out you were taken for a ride... and not only by the black volgas. I appreciate your honesty in reporting though, it adds to the ISG database of what not to do.

Your money is your money (or maybe just your company's) and "No harm no foul", but those are prices even above already inflated Moscow prices.

For that money (about $950!!!) you could have banged a few strippers at Oh La La, Safari or elsewhere, or taken home 3 NF girls. I think a menage a trois back in your hotel with two wired up NF girls or maybe a couple of strippers would have been more memorable for you... and certainly less expensive.

I am quite certain that Julia really enjoyed her evening and is probably now enjoying her winter holiday in Egypt which you single-handedly financed, can't believe the fucking suka was on the rag... that's ridiculous, she should have given you at least part of the money back.... and quite frankly you should've demanded it. I doubt she'd even consider giving anything back, but I hope you gave her some hell for improper business practices. At those prices, that's nothing short of fraud. She's a criminal.

Don't take it too hard though Raptor09, live and learn. We've all had bum experiences. It's the nature of the hobby.

[Raptor 09]

Stay away from them! The photos are great but the ladies are much less appealing in reality.

Well thanks for the advise, but of course I did not as I needed my own experience. :-)

Ok so called Julia and arranged the date. She arrived right on time and brought a big bag to my hotelroom. Julia does not really look as good as on the photos on the Website, but I would still rate her a 8. Nice, friendly attitude, good English and really sexy dressed.

Anyway, the first thing we agreed on was a higher rate of EUR 500 as she claimed that she had not time to update the Website recently. Well... I paid and was ready for a nice evening.

On my request Julia already had arranged a nice dinner at the Jar-Restaurant. We went downstairs and grab a black Taxi for RUB 100. Arrived at the Jar and I must say that was really a nice dinner with show. However, also rellay expensive. All-in-All I paid some RUB 6800. Good that my company gave me some budget for that. :-)

After the Jar we went for some Karaoke action and Julia arranged the Black Taxi again. Damage RUB 200, well when I tried that I never paid less than RUB 300 so far. Anyway, nice Karaoke Bar, Nice songs, and after another 2 hours we went home for the Hotel.

In the room Julia sent me alone to the shower. Then she went for the bathroom and retuned with some really nice & sexy underwear. She danced for my and I had some fun playing with her body. However no kisses allowed.

Then the next surprise, no BBBJ just covered. Ok, what the heck. She did it quite well although not really convincing. Started f***ing her for a while and then wanted to switch positions.

no problem, but as my good old friend slipped off her pussy, the condom was FULL OF BLOOD. Oh-No!!!!!

Can you imagine that this girl showed up for an HighClass-Encounter and had just started her monthly days? Unbelievable.

After that I was done with her and sent her home.

Ok, I have been warned, but of cousre I needed to make my own experience. Actually the evening had started very promising. I booked a lot of these kind of Escorts in different countries and was rarely disappointed. But Julia was really a desaster in the end. Ok. Lessons learned. Total Damage EUR 500 + RUB 9000. What can I say, this was not the best decision in life.

Anyway, there are other nice girls out there, so forget Julia and go for someone else.

Raptor