2005 Moscow Reports

[Super6stud9]

The best I've experienced in Moscow is dosug.nu , all the pictures are real. You need to speak russian, or have an interpreter call and take you there. The addresses are hard to find, plus the interpreter may put the girl at ease. Some girls won't see you if you are a foreigner(no matter how rich or handsome you may be, some are afraid of foreigner, just move on, there are hundreds of beautys that will see you.) Most prices range from $40 to $100(for a 10). To $150 for an abolute one in a lifetime time of beauty.

The key is to speak some Russian, it's not that hard to learn.

Moscow is the best place for absolute beauties.

I have just spent some time surfing on tis website :

http://www.intimcity.ru

And looking for some good looking mature russian I got this one :

http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=19460

Having no mongering experience in moscow and in russia, I am just wondering how accurate the pics are on this site.

Can any "moscow" experts give me an opinion about this site?

Many thanks

Frans

[Stravinsky]

3 privat tantsi for 1000r??? Why wasn't I informed of this last week!! ;-)

[One O Nine]

I just came back from Spearmint Rhino. Very nice club if you can find it. Not nessecarily my first choice of a strip club in Moscow, but has the best price to girl quality ratio and everybody there speaks English. The goblin ratio is a little higher than in some other places, but when a girl there is nice, she's NICE. And did I mention it's super cheap. There is nothing going on at the tables, girls just come up and talk to you not expecting any podaroks. They all offer you private dances, which are 3 for 1,000 r. That's just about the best deal I've ever gotten anywhere.

Private dance rooms don't offer much action however, since they're basically extra long couches separated into semi-cubicles by little walls, with a whole bunch of people in plain view of each other getting the dances. Tonight was exceptionally busy, especially for a Thursday, but I still had a lot of fun. There was some fingering and french kissing going on, but obviously couldn't go any further than that. If you go there on a slower night you might get luckier.

There's no sex on the premises (at least as far as I know) but the girls can be taken home for $200 to the club, and a negotiable fee to the girl. This of course is based on mutual attraction a little bit and is not a straight-out pro type of deal. The strategy is to spend some time talking to the girl, get a couple of dances from her, buy her a drink, and then make your move. I love screwing strippers personally because they're much more laid back than your all-out pros, and the experience is absolutely indistinguishable from freebie sex. Plus there's always the fleeting chance that they'll do you for free.

In continuation of my previous post, if you're new to Moscow you most definitely have to visit some strip clubs. If you're used to the clubs in the US, Russia is completely different. I never go anywhere near strip clubs in the land of the free, but out here I just can't stay away. Girls are much nicer and simpler, nobody cares where your hands go, and bagging one is easy and cheap.


Oh, and finally, Spearmint Rhino is kind of hard to find, I know some people give up looking for it and go across the street to Mister XXX. SR is next door to the famous Metelitza, 1 building E from it, inder the big sign for the ANGARA casino. Find the archway under the small SONY ad, little ways down the steps, and it's on your right. Cover is 600 r.

[CA Traveler]

First of all, I totally agree with the proposition that American men are total wimps after being beated up by feminazis for the past three or four decades. Once a RU girls figures out that she is in control she will take total advantage of it.

monster... I totally disagree with you about tochkas. JB2000 has the description totally correct... it is diamond hunting and that is part of the fun. 109 correctly states that you will never know what you will find... as I've said before it is like a box of chocolates. BUT, if you find the right one it can be heaven. It can be a total GFE experience, unlike most NF and/or CF experiences. Please keep in mind, that of all the cute tochka girls that I have posted, I have had at least 10 times as many more that I did not photograph or post.

As far as the taxis... doc's comments are right on. For goodness sakes, learn... right, left and straight ahead, at least! Once you've been driven home a few times at least you should have some idea of how to get to your place. I strongly suggest that you not get totally knee-walking drunk... at least until you have some idea of where you are and who your friends are. AND I promise that your friends are NOT some group of Russian guys you met at the bar!!!

As far as hotels... ALL of the MARRIOTTs are good choices for girl friendly places. If you have a choice, don't even consider anything else if you can afford a few extra bucks. You'll save it in the end.

[Stefano]

I am spending now the biggest part of my time, travelling on business in Russia and Central Asia. I need to have an interpeter with additional sex responsilities rather than to search somebody in every city with language problems. I am ready to pay for the girl 2- 3 times more than to normal good interpeter on business trip if she will work additional hour in my bed. Big breasts and wide hips will be a strong advantage of candidate.From my side I can recommend my Moscow interpeter, which provided me additional good and chead sex services in Moscow. She did everything, what I asked her to do. Also big breasts and wide hips. I would prefer to find a candidate through recommendation, agencies ask unreasonable high money for very average girls.

Stefano

[Stravinsky]

I'd like to 2nd 1o9's comments.

Without going into a lot of detail... when you're in Russia you are in a completely different world. For American men, that takes some getting used to.

Russian women are looking for a "nastaiyashchi moosheena", a real man.

They appreciate a man who is strong, speaks his mind, is honest about his desires, won't put up with any BS, and can't be taken for a fool. Women in Russia know their place, and what's more, they like it there. They are not conflicted about their sexuality, as are most women in the U.S. They understand that the most powerful weapon they have in life is their femininity, and they know how to use it.

For an American man in Russia for the first time, it's kind of like being fed to the lions. The second they sense any weakness in you, they will use you for a doormat.

This doesn't mean that you can be cruel and abusive, that won't get you anywhere. The two qualities that Russian women admire most in a man are kindness and generosity. Just make sure that she understands that you're in charge. You make the decisions. And the amazing thing is, that's OK with her, because she expects you to make the decisions.

When you're in Russia, it's a whole new game, and you can play it any way you want.

Stravinsky

[One O Nine]

I just had lunch today with an old buddy of mine who's really enjoying his second time in Moscow. It's really interesting how people who just start coming up here all make the same mistakes. I guess everybody's initially used to putting women on a pedestal, and when you do it to a Russian dyev she'll take you for a ride and you'll get very little in return. Don't do it.

I talk to a lot of people who are new to Russia, and here are the things that everybody does that really break my heart:

1. Do not take her out for a date! This is even mostly true for freebies, but if you're talking pro, for Christ's sakes get ahold of yourself! You're making kittens cry. You don't need to try and impress that pro any further, she's already going to sleep with you, and unless you're a total creep she'll gladly give you her phone number in the end and see you again.
And regarding freebies, it's also totally fine to invite your blind date to your place for some drinks. It's perfectly normal in Russia. Most of them will go, and the ones who get fussy about it aren't worth your time. Have a couple of bottles of cheap popular drinks like Baileys and Martini Bianca vermouth at home. If you don't have a fridge in your hotel room just stop by a kiosk on your way and buy something.

2. If you have to get her something, get her flowers. Don't take her out shopping, don't listen to her stories of how her cell phone has a bad pixel and buy her a new one, don't get her jewelry, etc etc etc. Just don't. I'm not saying any of this because I'm a cheapskate. This has nothing to do with money. You're giving this woman much more than she expects, and most of them are smart enough to spot you for the fool you are and start using you for their own benefit. You're the only one who's supposed to be using anyone in this relationship.

3. Don't get hung up on one girl. If you're new to Russia, your standards are completely skewed and you just don't have the frame of reference to judge this girl you've just met. If she seems amazing by your own foreign standards, it usually does not mean she's in any way remarkable as far as Russian girls go. Go out there and actively explore as much as you can.

4. Don't get hung up on any one place either, keep exploring new places. Don't go to NightFlight every night. Please.



My heart literally bleeds over the stories I hear. Just this guy at lunch, he met some chick at NF on his first night here, took her out to a fancy restaurant, paid her to stay until the morning, paid for her breakfast, took her out shopping, and been seeing her ever since, paying full price for every encounter. It's insane. And he wants to meet new girls but only knows about NightFlight and is afraid to go there because he might meet his 'girlfriend' there. Seriously. That's just wrong.


In short, if you're new to Moscow, be confident, be aggressive, be open minded. Be a jerk, and think only of yourself. They'll love you more.
Especially if you're paying money, the only thing that matters if what YOU want to do.


[Edit] P.S. Another heads up about taking a girl to a restaurant. There's a new scam out there on the internet dating scene. The girls posting ads work in collusion with a certain restaurant - sometimes the management but usually the employees like the waiters and the cooks. It'll be a good looking girl, she'll be eager to meet you, set a date, and ask to be taken to a certain restaurant. There she'll order some expensive meals, eat very little, you'll pick up the check, and you'll never see her again.
So, like I said, you usually don't even have to take a girl out to a restaurant. But if you do, choose the place yourself.

[MRO]

If you have to select from these three hotels, I think you should take MARRIOT TVERSKAYA.

If you can join as well other opportunities it depends on your budget: Ararat Park Hyatt (my personal favorite) or Badlschug Kempinski are very good or for a lower budget Holiday Inn Lesnaya or a good serviced apartment.

Thanks a lot, Cicciolino !

[Doctor_Skank]

Kris420:

Riding in taxis may very well be your single greatest joy in Moscow, besides banging girls of course. I am not kidding. A 2am ride past Red Square, all lit up and looking vaguely like planet Klingon, is an unforgettable sight... especially with a girl in tow. Some of my favorite memories of Moscow are the countless near accidents, silly conversations and amazing sites seen from the "relative" comfort of a Russian taxi. Some of my least favorite as well... the 2 hour traffic jam, the truly harrowing near accident or the refined combined smell of sweat, vodka, kerosene, window washing fluid, battery acid and pickled herring.

Language:
90% of taxi drivers speak only Russian or extremely basic English, not even knowing the difference between right and left. Commo is a problem if your Russian is non-existent, however not one that must make you immobile. You can get by with "sign language" and some basic interpersonal communication skills.

Options:

Hotel taxi: These are expensive, running between $40-100/hour. You pay the hour no matter how long or short your trip is. These are usually something like a Ford Focus at cheaper rates up to a Mercedes at the higher rates. If on business I recommend using them when you must reach a particular destination that is "off the beaten track" at a location you wont be able to easily communicate to a normal taxi driver. You can tell the English-speaking dispatcher in the hotel where you want to go and she'll inform a driver. At most hotels you pay up front or charge it to your room. Getting back to the hotel you can take any street taxi as the major hotels are all well-known. Or have the car wait, but then you are on the clock. Prices generally non-negotiable, however if you complain that the price is too high sometimes there will suddenly be "another option" and you'll get a cheaper rate in somebody's private car. In any case, a comfortable option with polite drivers, who sometimes speak at least basic English, but not necessarily so.

Official taxi:
Usually old Volgas but now being steadily replaced by French Peugots or Renaults or Korean Hyundais, especially with many foreign companies now setting up factories in Russia and producing cars locally. A short trip is about $10 (300 rubles), a medium about $20 (500-600 rubles) and a longer trip about $35-50 (1000-1500 rubles). There are official rates for everything, but it is a mystery to me how they are calculated. It seems to me rates are calculated by convenience of your destination, the amount of business potential the driver has with other prospective customers and your bargaining skill. Yes, you can bargain with the driver on setting a price for your destination ahead of time... and should. Official taxis wont budge much though. The drivers are generally pretty surly and rude... a special breed for sure. Nonetheless, it is a safe option and usually cheaper than a hotel taxi, especially for short to medium routes. The drivers generally dont speak English beyond telling you how much the trip cost... actually I am not sure if they actually speak any language other than "mat", the Russian street slang.

Gypsy taxi:
Most Moscow veterans use this method extensively. Gypsy taxis are private people driving their own cars who stop and pick up travellers along side the road who are holding up one arm to signify that they need a taxi. For many older Russians, being a taxi driver in this way is their only form of income. When the taxi stops (usually a Lada/Volga or even the notorious "death capsule", the dreaded cube-like Oka) you will have to speak to the driver and tell him where you want to go and how much you want to pay. Or you may ask how much he will charge. Short trips are now usually $2-4 (50-100 rubles), medium trips $5 (150 rubles) and longer trips $10-35 (300 rubles-1000 rubles). 1000 rubles will get you anywhere from Vidnoe to the airport.

It works like this:
a) figure out where you want to go. Memorize the name of the street or have it written down on a piece of paper, in cyrillic.
b) stand next to the street in a place where a taxi could stop.
c) raise your arm to hail a cab
d) when one stops, talk to the driver. You may simply state your destination, like "Leninsky Prospect"
e) the driver will either shake his head and drive off, meaning he wasnt headed that way, or will ask "skolka?" (how much). Name your price. Some negotiation may have to be done. I usually tell him where I want to go and then name my price immediately.
f) if the driver is from the south (dark-skinned) and looks unsure of the street, make sure he knows where he is going, many of the Azeris and Georgians are new to town and dont know their way around. They can however be some of your best tochka drivers and are generally pleasant and social.
g) if you dont like the driver, dont get in the car. Never get in a car that has more than one person in it.

If inexperienced or lacking Russian, stick to simple destinations. The system works and is less complicated than you might think.

Hiring a car and driver:
If you are going to do a lot of travelling in a single day and are on business or simply have the cash, this is a viable option. I am not sure on daily rates, but I am certain another WSG poster can help. Certainly cheaper than using hotel taxis all day long.

Metro:
An excellent option for certain situations. To navigate the metro you'll have to read cyrillic, although in a few years the metro will be dual language. If I need to get to a location close to a metro station quickly, the metro is the best option... no traffic jams, travel times are reliable and easy to calculate. Its fast and cheap. Best to avoid the "rush hours" between 8-10am and 5-6pm... it can be impossibly full. Only drawback of the metro is that it is very hot in the summer, can involve a lot of walking between transfer stations, the air is bad and it is a bit dirty. Still a must see, if you can get used to it it can be a valuable and viable means of transport.

Other public transportation:
Buses and "marshrutki" (route buses/minivans): Only recommended if you speak Russian, or you are with a Russian (usually your girlfriend) or if you are on safari. If you have time it can be interesting, but isnt really a recommended form of transportation... even though it is dirt cheap.

*** Important note: There are 3 Marriotts and the drivers often mix up the Marriott Tverskaya and the Marriott Grand, which are both on Tverskaya street. They are a 15 minute walk apart from one another, but only 3 minutes by car. Make sure you make the driver know which Marriott you need.

*** Important note 2: Many of the older taxi drivers speak German, since many were soldiers stationed in former East Germany. If you are German and riding with other Germans, it is best to avoid speaking poorly about the driver or Russia in the assumption that the driver wont understand, he very well may. This also goes for English, although they may not speak it, they will understand more than you might think.

[Kris420]

I never got to know about this reading the forum? Do the taxi drivers speak english? If not all of them, most of them? Basically how do you communicate?

[Cicciolino]

If you have to select from these three hotels, I think you should take MARRIOT TVERSKAYA.

If you can join as well other opportunities it depends on your budget: Ararat Park Hyatt (my personal favorite) or Badlschug Kempinski are very good or for a lower budget Holiday Inn Lesnaya or a good serviced apartment.

[MRO]

This is almost a Soviet-style hotel, so the custom is for the girls on the first floor to be the only girls allowed up by the security guy who sits by the elevators.

That is the bad news. The good news is that there are plenty of girls working out of the apartments near the hotel, just a short walk down the road.

Hello Fellow Mongers !! As a first timer in Moscow, I was offered to stay in one of the following hotels :
MARRIOT TVERSKAYA, MEZHDUNARODNAJA and UKRAINA....which one can be considered the best...or at least "guest-friendly", "hassle-free"..whatever you like !!! Thank you...

[One O Nine]

You gotta approach tochkas as the complete experience. Yeah, you'll have to go to a whole bunch of tochkas and look at 100 goblins before you find somebody worthwhile, but the search is as much fun as what follows. Really helps to do it with a buddy or a driver you can have a good conversation with.

It's just something completely unique, and different from everything else even in Moscow. I personally grow tired of all the other usual spots within a few days, and then a tochka for me is a way to relax and do something different. For the past few runs I've been getting really lucky. The last time I went, three weeks ago, I found my target on the very first tochka, and got the most amazing deep throat I've ever had in my entire life. And that's saying something.

But yeah, if you just want a quick fuck with a gorgeous girl, tochkas are not for you.

[Jimbehr2000]

mohctep, I have never used a tochka before and I agree most of the girls aren't pretty from the pics I've seen and the posts here. But from what I have read there are some diamonds to be found. I enjoy searching for those diamonds and would find the tockas worth a look opn my next visit to Moscow. Apparently some others enjoy the diamond search as well.

CA Traveler recently posted a pic of a girl-next-door type from a tocka. She is very much my type.

[Mohctep]

From my experience tochka girls fucking is the bottom feeding. There is very remote chance that you will meet some girl around 6-7. Most of them are ugly dogs. Fat ,bad teeth, pimples, scars on their bodies, black eyes.
Years and years ago it was different. When Moldavia and Ukrain were jobless deserts. Now any decent looking girl can find a sponsor. Any really pretty girl can get a tourist visa and work in EU. Where men are paying more and asking permission before finishing on their faces
The only benefit in taking Tochka girl that I can possibly se is the fact that you can do WHATEVER you desire with her. There is no such thing as :"Oh I don't do it," for tochka girl. They so use to violent clients that they would rather comply then resist your demands. But be warned they will see that you are putz and a mark in 2 seconds.
Good luck fellows.