2005 Moscow Reports

[CA Traveler]

bb... I'm not sure how a presentation of how to approach the student dyvushkas on Moscow campuses equates to a political desertation blaming all of the evils in the world on one man compare to each other, but in any case...

I'm not sure that I'd put you in the league of Papa Hemingway just yet, but Rodney offers an option that allows you to keep posting your porn even if you don't get any respect!

Ceasar lives... Long live Caesar!

[Bez Bezarra]

BB... Inspite of that, please keep the politics out of this thread. Other threads are rife with it and it just doesn't serve you well here!

So, CaT, you castigate me for disputing monster's outside the garden ring
viewpoints, but when S75 writes volumes about modern demographics, all
you have to say is "Interesting approach"?

Ok, fine. Just dandy. Guess all I'm good for around here is porn, huh?

I think some poster once joked I was the Ernie Hemingway of WSG, guess he
should have said I'm the WSG Rodney Dangerfield.

Give 'em what they want. Throw the hungry circling sharks a chunk of meat.
Win the crowd Spaniard! The mob IS Rome, Maximus!

AM I NOT MERCIFUL!?????

[Doctor_Skank]

Sven75:

Thanks for your insight, sounds like you are "closer to the source" than most of us!

Liked your "job application" analysis and your campus approach, definitely food for thought. Student types are among Moscow's best... and easiest... prey.

"Dance clubs and bars in Moscow are nothing but overpriced teasers..."

I beg to differ. They offer the single highest concentration of poon in Moscow (beyond maybe the uni classroom or dorm, inaccessible to most of us). For the "part-time" Moscow resident, as most forum members are, clubs are one of the most time-effective methods of accessing said poon. Besides that, they are fun.

"...by all means, don't really offer good quality snapper anyway, relatively speaking by overall Moscow and Russian standards."

That's your opinion, mine is another. Haven't been hanging out on campuses however, am more than willing to give your approach a try... should I find time...

"Girls in these clubs already arrive with a set agenda and are prepared to deal with your approaches, and are only impressed by one's (i.e. our) ability to fork out cash with the least reciprocity possible."

Definitely true for some girls, but easily recognizable and avoidable. Generally speaking, you should drop such girls very quickly before your wallet is drained. If they are particularly greedy on opening night, their attitude in this respect will certainly never improve... and there are enough guys out there who will "subsidize" their habits. The only effective solution I've found to this is applying reverse psychology, it is effective with some girls. You'll have to offer them some other form of entertainment though... as many have correctly stated, just being a foreigner carries less weight with every passing year.

A recipe for success is quite simple in my opinion. The majority of Moscow girls I've met are simply out to have a good time and if they like you and you can show them a good time, they'll be happy to go home with you or at the very least see you a second time... so they can go home with you. If you throw money at them they'll happily accept it, but you certainly don't have to. They are equally hungry for adventure and flirtation and... god forbid.... affection.

So why is this different than "back home" (wherever back home may be)? The girls. I've never met girls anywhere who are more adventurous or more enthusiastic about enjoying life than Moscow girls. Despite their documented faults (which I largely deem insignificant in comparison to their positive attributes) they are still the most fun girls I've ever met.

"hang around the University campuses (there are hundreds) during the day in any academic year..."

Great plan for a Moscow resident but for those of us not living in Moscow, not exactly time effective. So we go to clubs...

I agree with you that there are thousands of Moscow girls who almost never go out to clubs... anybody who has dated Moscow students knows that they are constantly taking and studying for tests... and often still live with their parents and have to be home at certain times. Great for us, meaning we can meet and bang our student girlfriend and send her home so we can go out again at night in search of another...

"In short: club/bar and internet girls are actively looking for something and thus have an agenda and are ready and focused on milking your wallet as much as possible before milking you."

An exaggeration IMHO regarding the alterior motives of clubbing girls. Their motivation is much simpler in my opinion and doesn't have to mean you'll be financing them in any significant way. Small presents etc. will suffice... and even that is up to you. I enjoy it and believe there are significant advantages in maintaining the clearly defined male-female relationship, even if that means paying for all meals, tickets, drinks etc.

Internet girls however will INVARIABLY have other contacts besides you... I ask them about it and most of them are quite open about with whom they are communicating. Pretty amazing how men dote on some of them, even the remarkably average ones. That said, internet chat/icq/dating sites are still a great way to set up sex if you know the pitfalls and play the game effectively.

"Spontaneous chicks on campuses have much much much less leverage."

Lucky you, you seem to have enough time to conduct extensive research on the subject... good luck and hope to hear more about your experiences...

[Svenson75]

Chicks usually go to the Crimea, Sochi, Turkey, Egypt etc. during the summer for vacation on ridiculously cheap packages on dirt obsolete Soviet commercial jets and bargain hotel room sharing agreements, or they just toil around their (or their friends') dachas or what not. I usually avoid Moscow during the summers, the action available in this season usually carries a higher premium, too high for my financial means (I'm a firm believer that pussy should be acquired through very simple, natural and direct means, just like our animalistic ancestors and biological relatives in the animal kingdom). Chicks with $$$$ (or "access" to money) usually go to England to refine their english in summer schools or what not.

Sven,

Is that still a valid approach in summer? What happens to all those co-eds when school lets out for the summer?

[Svenson75]

that's the downside with my approach, it is much harder, if not impossible, during the summer. september 1st (i arrive on august 28th this year) is usually the best day because it is the first day of classes nation-wide and all the chicks gather on campus courtyards and what not for the opening of the academic year. thousands of girls fresh from the provinces move to moscow every august to start their first year in moscow's almost 100 universities, so you are literally getting fresh province hot naive pussy at an awesome moscow location bargain . hang around the language faculties and you will literally see hundreds of hot fresh chicks streaming from these courtyards because the first day is only a nice ceremony with a speech from the universities' deans and rektors... after that they go home or to their dorms (which believe me, is the perfect place to sneak in and fuck random chicks for free).

there's a good reason why inyaz (the faculty of foreign languages), where 90% of the students are girls, is often nicknamed the ФАКУЛЬТЕТ НЕВЕСТ (bride faculty)

sven,

is that still a valid approach in summer? what happens to all those co-eds when school lets out for the summer?

[Stravinsky]

Sven,

Is that still a valid approach in summer? What happens to all those co-eds when school lets out for the summer?

[CA Traveler]

s75... Interesting approach and definitely something worth trying... even for an old fart!

[Svenson75]

A recent article that I saw indicated that Russia could lose more than 30% of it's population in the few decades because of people leaving and a low birth rate.

Such articles are circulating everywhere (Russian and Western press reports), having become so mundane to the point of redundancy in my opinion. Having done some extensive research into this subject, I just want to underline four points:

1) Demographics are highly cyclical and very unpredictable; Russia (Imperial Romanov Russia, whose population was 40-45% ethnically Russian by the end of the 19th century) experienced a completely UNEXPECTED and ridiculously massive population boom in the first decade of the 20th century at a rate virtually unseen in world history (the population literally more than doubled);

2) Given Russia's huge demographic crises in the 20th century, ranging from the Civil War during Lenin, the subsequent purges, artificial famines and gulags in the 20s and 30s, the subsequent Nazi invasion and additional purges and mass deportations before Stalin's death, the "crisis" that Russia is experiencing today is by all means very very mild. Russia's population smoothly recovered after the war, increasing at a rate of 1 million per year (the overall Soviet population increased even faster).

3) What is causing Russia's current negative demographic growth is still the issue of a highly contentious, and sometimes confusing, ongoing debate. What is factually known is that the growth rate of the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic) began to decrease in 1982 (a decade before the Soviet collapse) and that the population of Russia reached its historical all time record peak of 147 million in 1991-1992, albeit an already decreasing growth rate which had been accrueing in the 1980s. Granted that the economic collapse and emmigration accelerated this decline, the 2002 census however registered a higher rate of immigration into Russia throughout the 1990s (primarily from other former Soviet Republics and other neighbouring countries) than emmigration and also indicated that the birth rate has gradually begun to pick up again for the first time since 1982. What social, economic and maybe political forces are at work here, I have no idea.

4) Last, but not least, this phenomenon is being felt similarly, if not worse, in other industrial countries for possibly different (if even known) reasons (i.e. Japan, Germany, Italy, Spain, Hungary, etc...). Ignore the Latino and Asian immigration census data for the US and the US would theoretically also be experiencing such a phenomenon; the growth rates of the white and african populations in this country are basically stagnant and approaching the line where they will begin to decrease.

[Svenson75]

Dance clubs and bars in Moscow are nothing but overpriced teasers and, by all means, don't really offer good quality snapper anyway, relatively speaking by overall Moscow and Russian standards. Girls in these clubs already arrive with a set agenda and are prepared to deal with your approaches, and are only impressed by one's (i.e. our) ability to fork out cash with the least reciprocity possible.

Now I don't know about the financially fortunate individuals in this forum, but I view the art of going out with women pretty much along the lines of how companies "theoretically" hire their employees: you start them off with the lowest possible compensation package that you can get away with which provides you with benefits and you gradually give pay increases, bonuses, stock options if you want something that lasts more than one night and as things go well or else you simple fire (dump) them either way. Overshoot their "salary range" from the start and you are simply spoiling them, giving them more incentive to perform poorly and/or possible surrendering to them the coveted position of setting the agenda for the night. In other words, I don't subsidize NF, CF, Real McCoy, Propaganda, Voodoo, B2 etc... sluts.

Which brings me to my strategy for picking up Moscow chicks: hang around the University campuses (there are hundreds) during the day in any academic year and pretend to be one lost dumbfound foreigner interested in more information about Russian language classes: from my experience, most university chicks, who most likely have fresher english language skills than the "theoretical" english that most Muscovites claim to speak, are hotter/sexier and cleaner (and sometimes most likely virgin) and most have almost no time, because of their studies and the fact that Moscow's subways close at midnight, to even go to, much less even know of, such places like B2, CF, NF, Real McCoy, Propaganda etc..., which gives them a "I want to fuck a foreigner" attitude comparable to the provinces which will immediately upgrade you to White God. I am only satisfied with freebies when my only expense was her round trip metro ticket, a mere 20 roubles. I ocassionally outsource my chick-hunting to the provinces, but I feel safer around the "I'll tutor you English for a fuck" activities in Moscow in the event I need to leave the country within a short notice (if you dig the 22-25 range, aim for the fresh grads who teach English at the MGLU campus)

In short: club/bar and internet girls are actively looking for something and thus have an agenda and are ready and focused on milking your wallet as much as possible before milking you. Spontaneous chicks on campuses have much much much less leverage.

But of course, you have people willing to subsidize these club chicks for 500 bucks .

s75... I guess it is my frustration of having several hot chicks at dance clubs not want to invest the effort in communicating with someone who does not speak Russki. I imagine that out of Moscow where there is more of a chance that a Westerner could still face the "white god" treatment, it would be a plus, but my experience with regular girls in Moscow makes it seem more of a hinderence than a help.

RE: Green cards... I think you validated my point with your comment, that outside of Moscow it would be a higher priority than inside of a big city. Of course, that said in the right situation just about any girl would move to be with a man.

A recent article that I saw indicated that Russia could lose more than 30% of it's population in the few decades because of people leaving and a low birth rate.

[CA Traveler]

bb... I wasn't complaining! I am envious!

[Slavicgourmet]

I should say nearer from MASK-vah as MOSK-vah ! my 2 cents comrade Stravinsky.

[Stravinsky]

P.S. And yea, just a side note. It was never:" MOS Cow"! That is Anglo-Saxon mangled way of naming everything their way. It is "M O S K V A ". Learning how to pronounce the name of the city your are in is priceless. Goes a long way with girls, I am sure.

Don't forget the accent; "mosk-VAH"

[Bez Bezarra]

Sorry CaT.

I'll de-politicize, but you are sadly mistaken about this
lady. She is brand-spankin' new, and I do mean spanking!

Its possible she resembles some other tart, but she is absolutely
an authentic original. If I'm lying, I'lll never post again.

Trust me, its personal.

[CA Traveler]

BB... Katia is very hot, even though you have posted her before I for one enjoy her smile and freshness! Inspite of that, please keep the politics out of this thread. Other threads are rife with it and it just doesn't serve you well here!

The girls in Moscow are more individualistic and they actually have more freedom than most RU girls because they have access to things that other Russian girls do not. When it all boils down to it, everyone's experience with girls in RU is different. So will want a change and other's won't.

Personally, I have no idea where my heritage is from... if it is a criteria to be from the FSU to like FSU girls then count me in as a genetic believer in FSU beaver!

I think the beauty of most RU girls is that like many Americans they are also a little bit of everything from the Northern Hemisphere... European and Asian at least!

As far as the FSU immigrant pool, I am all for it... the more new genes that are introduced in NoAmerica and Europe can't be bad. Unfortunately, if we could only pass along the attitude genetically we would all be in good shape!

[Bez Bezarra]

Well, fuck it then!

But I didn't post this dyev before, except in the Photo Section today.

Really CaT, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I only just met her.