American Politics

[Canada]

You have no idea if the persons who were rounded up and sent to Martha's Vineyard had applied for asylum or not.

You seem to think that being lied to (they were told they were going to Boston where they'd have a job and housing) is perfectly OK.

You seem to think that spending taxpayer money on this BS is perfectly OK.

You see to think that flying them there without notifying Martha's Vineyard is perfectly OK.

I wonder what you'd think if 50 of the morons who took part in the January 6th insurrection were treated like the 50 were. Well, I know what you'd think.

All illegals are applying for asylum. They are illegal and looking for a better life. Why not send them to Martha's Vineyard where it is a wealthy prosperous area. Do you think they should just put them in the desert or a hell hole city like San Fran or in a poverty area? They should be happy being in an area with billionaires. Why are you being racist with denying them prosperity?

[JustTK]

Simply provided you an example of my non-binary thinking.

Right. No wonder you got confused. Must have been difficult for you.

[PVMonger]

Nobody sane is arguing that supply chain problems and higher worldwide commodity prices didn't have an unfavorable effect on inflation. But the American Rescue Plan did too. Larry Summers, the most influential Democratic Party economist of the last 30 years, did his damnedest to keep the bill from being passed, but Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al wouldn't listen. This article is from February 5, 2021, over a month before the bill was passed:

"Larry Summers, the top economic adviser to former President Obama, warned in an op-ed on Friday that President Biden's proposed COVID-19 relief package is too big and could overheat the economy.

Summers, the Treasury secretary under former President Clinton, wrote in The Washington Post that the proposed $1. 9 trillion stimulus could ignite inflationary pressures "of a kind we have not seen in a generation. ".

He said the risk of inflation could have "consequences for the dollar and financial stability. ".

"Stimulus measures of the magnitude contemplated are steps into the unknown," Summers wrote. ".

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5...us-is-too-big/

Here's CPI inflation before and after the American Rescue Plan (ARP) was passed:

2/2021:1.7% (month before ARP was passed).

3/2021:2.6% (Bill was passed on March 11, and checks were being direct deposited to some Americans' accounts within 24 hours).

4/2021:4.2% (Disbursement of funds from ARP continued).

1/2022:7.5% (This was a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine).

As to your belief that every other country experienced the same kind of inflation, here's YoY CPI inflation for various countries on 4/2021, after the ARP checks had hit. Australia is 3/2021, because it reports quarterly.

USA 4.2%.

Australia 1.1%.

Japan -1.1%.

Switzerland 0.3%.

Singapore 2.1%.

Hong Kong 0.8%.

UK 0.7%.

EU 1.6%.

I put Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore in there because, like the USA, they have smaller government spending as a % of GDP than other developed countries. I have no idea what kind of money they spent on COVID stimulus but figure it was probably less than, say, the EU and UK.

You forgot to mention that President Biden said "$2000 for every American" and got pilloried, absolutely pilloried by MAGAts when it turned out to be $1400 plus the $600 that Donnie the Dumbass already sent. They, of course, said that Biden lied blah, blah, blah.

But who originally proposed the $2000 figure? Yep. Donnie the Dumbass did. https://www.vox.com/2020/12/23/22197...timulus-checks.

[PVMonger]

https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco...12/id/1078370/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...n-mexico-city/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...l-the-present/

Another member of the Moron Brigade who believes (thinking isn't a strong point with that bunch) that the post he commented was the truth and not satire. Roflmfao.

[EihTooms]

https://www.breitbart.com/immigratio...rd-rail-issue/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1Wq7gHSyI

Biden's Approval Rating Surges After Hitting Low Mark In July, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Half Of Americans Say Trump Should Be Prosecuted On Criminal Charges Over His Handling Of Classified Documents

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3854

Biden Approval Rating Gets Big Bounce From Young Americans

https://www.investors.com/politics/b...ung-americans/

Dems continue to expand their lead over Repubs in the Generic Ballot Poll of Polls:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...eneric-ballot/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...vote-7361.html

Even Rasmussen can only squeak out a mere 1 percentage point advantage for their beloved Repubs.

[Travv]

Washington DC — The situation of migrants being transported throughout the United States escalated even further today as Vice President Kamala Harris spoke to the media and officially declared a crisis at the border surrounding her residence in Washington, the. See.

There is now a serious border crisis. Not at our southern border, which is completely secure. I'm referring to the border around my own property, Vice President Harris said in her statement. My home is now under siege, surrounded by foreign nationals attempting to circumvent our laws and invade my estate. This is simply unacceptable and must be addressed.

The Vice President has already ensured the high-security fence around her home is in good condition and has instructed her Secret Service detail to perform routine, armed patrols of the property's perimeter to maintain strict border security from the busloads of migrants being dropped off outside.

When asked about allegations of hypocrisy regarding declaring a border crisis at her home while saying the nation's southern border is secure, the Vice President had this to say: "We understand that time and space are things that cannot be understood. To move forward, we look to the past and hold onto the hope for tomorrow. We have knowledge that isn't knowable, and we know that. Now get these people away from my house. ".

At publishing time, the Vice President's staff was already working on a plan to have the bused migrants removed from the area surrounding her residence and transported back to small, ill-equipped towns along the southern border. When asked why border towns should be expected to withstand the ongoing onslaught of migrants, Harris simply threw her head back and cackled maniacally before telling the press that addressing the border problems is not the job of the Border Czar. . .

https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-h...d-her-property

[MarquisdeSade1]

Migrants Decline Newsom's Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With Sporadic Electricity.

MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA This week, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flew 50 migrants to an affluent island in Massachusetts to highlight the struggles of border states whose resources are buckling amid soaring numbers of undocumented immigrants. Progressives have labeled the action as "cruel" and "heartless," but when California governor Gavin Newsom volunteered asylum for the migrants in his own state, they declined the offer since they had only recently escaped a collapsing communist state without electricity.

"I don't like bullies, and Florida governor Ron DeSantis is bullying these migrants by not welcoming them! We in California believe a nation of immigrants draws its strength from more immigrants come to the sunshine state and we will house you, clothe you, and feed you. " Newsom spoke out in a video message from his home after the events of the week, pledging that there was "no limit" to how high he would tax other people to pay for the migrants' livelihoods but also clarifying that he would not be able to help personally.

https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco...12/id/1078370/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...n-mexico-city/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...l-the-present/

[Spidy]

Well its great that you should finally attempt to defend your position. But I have ...

Simply provided you an example of my non-binary thinking, since you seem to feel I only think in binary.

That's it, don't over think it!

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...l-the-present/

[Spidy]

You have this fantasy that you are entitled to answers sounds like a line from Tom Cruise in "A Few Good Men" ...

Why should anyone bother answering any of your questions? This is an American Politics Forum not a "I hate the US forum".

Well Said!

The dude, does seem to have "an axe to grind".

Or as a foodie, would put it, "more beef than bun".

Or as a foodie "bothsidesist", would put it, "...where's the beef"? (....kkkk!)

[PVMonger]

Yes imagine a Martha's Vineyard on the Mexico border. They are complaining about 50 illegals dropped off there and it is an emergency. Can you imagine Obama and Hillary allowing millions of illegals into Martha's Vineyard if it was on Mexico border. Biden would have had the military in war against Mexico.

You have no idea if the persons who were rounded up and sent to Martha's Vineyard had applied for asylum or not.

You seem to think that being lied to (they were told they were going to Boston where they'd have a job and housing) is perfectly OK.

You seem to think that spending taxpayer money on this BS is perfectly OK.

You see to think that flying them there without notifying Martha's Vineyard is perfectly OK.

I wonder what you'd think if 50 of the morons who took part in the January 6th insurrection were treated like the 50 were. Well, I know what you'd think.

[PVMonger]

Migrants Decline Newsom's Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With Sporadic Electricity.

MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA This week, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flew 50 migrants to an affluent island in Massachusetts to highlight the struggles of border states whose resources are buckling amid soaring numbers of undocumented immigrants. Progressives have labeled the action as "cruel" and "heartless," but when California governor Gavin Newsom volunteered asylum for the migrants in his own state, they declined the offer since they had only recently escaped a collapsing communist state without electricity.

"I don't like bullies, and Florida governor Ron DeSantis is bullying these migrants by not welcoming them! We in California believe a nation of immigrants draws its strength from more immigrants come to the sunshine state and we will house you, clothe you, and feed you. " Newsom spoke out in a video message from his home after the events of the week, pledging that there was "no limit" to how high he would tax other people to pay for the migrants' livelihoods but also clarifying that he would not be able to help personally.

Gee, another Repub who copies-and-pastes without a citation.

Here's the sources: https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants...o-electricity/.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Inflation before the American Rescue Plan was passed? We were staying indoors, not going anywhere, not doing anything waiting for Trump's Pandemic virus to "go away without a vaccine", millions of jobs had been wiped out, thousands of businesses were closed forever. Is that the inflation control method we should return to?

I wonder. Did Larry Summers explain why countries that didn't pass the American Rescue Plan in the wake of the massive economic destruction wrought by Trump's Pandemic had and still have much higher rates of inflation and much weaker jobs creation than in America?

https://www.breitbart.com/immigratio...rd-rail-issue/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1Wq7gHSyI

[EihTooms]

Nobody sane is arguing that supply chain problems and higher worldwide commodity prices didn't have an unfavorable effect on inflation. But the American Rescue Plan did too. Larry Summers, the most influential Democratic Party economist of the last 30 years, did his damnedest to keep the bill from being passed, but Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al wouldn't listen. This article is from February 5, 2021, over a month before the bill was passed:

"Larry Summers, the top economic adviser to former President Obama, warned in an op-ed on Friday that President Biden's proposed COVID-19 relief package is too big and could overheat the economy.

Summers, the Treasury secretary under former President Clinton, wrote in The Washington Post that the proposed $1. 9 trillion stimulus could ignite inflationary pressures "of a kind we have not seen in a generation. ".

He said the risk of inflation could have "consequences for the dollar and financial stability. ".

"Stimulus measures of the magnitude contemplated are steps into the unknown," Summers wrote. ".

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5...us-is-too-big/

Here's CPI inflation before and after the American Rescue Plan (ARP) was passed:

2/2021:1.7% (month before ARP was passed).

3/2021:2.6% (Bill was passed on March 11, and checks were being direct deposited to some Americans' accounts within 24 hours).

4/2021:4.2% (Disbursement of funds from ARP continued).

1/2022:7.5% (This was a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine).

As to your belief that every other country experienced the same kind of inflation, here's YoY CPI inflation for various countries on 4/2021, after the ARP checks had hit. Australia is 3/2021, because it reports quarterly.

USA 4.2%.

Australia 1.1%.

Japan -1.1%.

Switzerland 0.3%.

Singapore 2.1%.

Hong Kong 0.8%.

UK 0.7%.

EU 1.6%.

I put Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore in there because, like the USA, they have smaller government spending as a % of GDP than other developed countries. I have no idea what kind of money they spent on COVID stimulus but figure it was probably less than, say, the EU and UK.

Inflation before the American Rescue Plan was passed? We were staying indoors, not going anywhere, not doing anything waiting for Trump's Pandemic virus to "go away without a vaccine", millions of jobs had been wiped out, thousands of businesses were closed forever. Is that the inflation control method we should return to?

I wonder. Did Larry Summers explain why countries that didn't pass the American Rescue Plan in the wake of the massive economic destruction wrought by Trump's Pandemic had and still have much higher rates of inflation and much weaker jobs creation than in America?

[EihTooms]

Yeah, but will the provisions be extended? It's very unlikely they all will be unless Republicans control the House, Senate and Presidency. Look at what happened with the Bush tax cuts. They expired. Obama and the Democratic controlled Senate and House could have done away with them in 2009 or 2010, but didn't. I don't think the corporate tax rate will be jacked back up to 35% again though. Both Obama and Biden wanted to bring it down to 28% but never did.

Obama I think was a good bit wiser than Biden. He figured that raising taxes while we were recovering from a recession was a bad idea, so that's why he allowed Bush's tax cuts to expire on their own. Biden on the other hand, through his proposed Build Back Better bill, was looking to raise taxes a lot.

Oil and gas is another example. Obama bragged about how oil and gas production increased during his administration. Biden on the other hand keeps trying to kneecap the USA Oil and gas producers. During the first 19 months of his administration, only about 130,000 acres of federal leases have been issued, compared to 7 million acres during Obama's first 19 months. Furthermore, he's subjecting leases issued in 2018,2019 and 2020 to environmental review by the EPA. One of the criteria the EPA will be looking at is additional carbon emissions from any production discovered on the leases. Biden actually promised during his campaign to stop issuing federal leases and drilling permits on federal lands and the federal offshore. He had to back track because of the courts and because of political expedience, I. E. High gas prices and the upcoming mid terms. But he's apparently looking for a backdoor way to fulfill his promises. Hasn't he learned anything from what's going on in Europe right now? The Europeans may be freezing their asses off this winter, because they're depending on foreign sources of fuel.

I think Biden's just being jerked around by the Progressives. That's not good. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders may be a lot more articulate than Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, but they're just about as nutty.

I realize you came to these discussions late. But those Repub oil lease arguments were destroyed here a dozen times over already.

Also, Clinton and his Dem-controlled Congress raised the tax rate on the top margin right on the heels of Bush1's Repub Recession in the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, one of the great economic legislations passed without a single Repub vote. Of course, what followed was one of the greatest economic expansions, jobs creation and deficit / debt reduction runs in history.

Yeah, one of the excuses the Repubs claimed was their reason for not voting for it was they said Clinton and the Dems would destroy the economy and wipe out millions of jobs if they raised taxes during the recovery from one of their patented Recessions. LOL.