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[ScatManDoo]

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[MonkeyPaw]

Am I misunderstanding what you have written?

Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?

Your "facts" seem to be false facts.

Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.

What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.

Of course you are "misunderstanding," why didn't you just Google the numbers? Don't be lazy. Did you not see that I reported USA's service sector 80% of GDP, while HK is higher? Probably in the 90%'s. That would make the HK higher in terms of % of GDP, right amongst major countries or previous major autonomous recognized entities. I'm not a math genius but I'm pretty sure 90% is greater than 80%. I could be wrong. And also didn't I say the USA is #1 in service sector productivity? So that means they are #1 in service sector in terms of revenue. Because you obviously can't compare "largest" by counting number of employees or businesses because population varies from country to country. So really quit trying to get people to argue with you because you are bored and lonely. And if you don't know by know most data reported and history is all biased, then you keep living in whatever lala land reality that makes you happy. But you seem so unhappy. By the way, mix in a review now and then or share some info on girls and sex instead of whining and complaining and arguing all the time. Geez, go look at your own post history. You seem stressed out, go out and have some sex and tell us about it.

[ScatManDoo]

"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."

Am I misunderstanding what you have written?

Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?

Your "facts" seem to be false facts.

There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation.

Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.

What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.

[ScatManDoo]

Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.

If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.

Trump ignored his medical experts, who possessed the knowledge and experience you have outlined.

I believe that President Obama would not have been so cavalier, since he demonstrated that he was listening to his medical experts, and attempting to give funding where these experts recommended. Republicans shot down that $2 billion bill that President Obama was supporting back in 2014.

I guess you didn't have time to view the 88-second snippet I provided a link to:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/

[Golfinho]

So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause...

Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.

If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.

[ScatManDoo]

I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.

So I guess I should fix my incorrect math.

Should have written "to me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 200 daily deaths". But with the opening up, that could peak again into the 2,000 daily deaths rates, as we were experiencing in peaks during April. Especially with all the efforts to hide, manipulate or outright lie about the statistical results as we experience them for the rest of the year.

[MonkeyPaw]

The following is a message from an infectious disease physician. I think it expresses the sentiments of all of us physicians at this time:

This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here's the deal: it's real and it's here and it's still spreading.

As a healthcare worker, I'm exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it's been one of the longest, most stressful things I've tackled.

First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you're not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor's or whatever level of government's handling of things, it's not constructive.

Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it's serious. And we're serious people when it comes to people's health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don't know why. I'm so tired of people acting like there's information that's being cooked up or withheld. You know why there's lots of gaps in the information? Because we're still learning about this virus every day. It's new. It's never been seen.

Not sure where you are getting at, but I merely stated facts. Are these facts wrong? Some people deny the facts because the facts can, and have, change and the people who give you the facts, can also be bias. It has happens all the time and has happened throughout history. But once again, are the facts I reported wrong?

"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."

There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. It works the same as when business owners who file their taxes and look for loopholes. We will take advantage of the system when we can to get paid. We do what we have to do and what we can get away with, if not more. I don't know what type of robotic, let me believe what the authorities tell me, world do you live in. But we are corrupt people, living in a corrupt world, you, me, and the rest of the world. This is how it works in hell. And if you don't believe the world is a "living hell," you have to take off those rose colored glasses, and look around. The USA is rioting, burning, and dying as I type. And Hong Kong as well. Chaos. I am so glad I got stuck in Pattaya to avoid all this drama.

Now as for the mask thing, you can blame your own "give me liberty or give me death thing". By the way, I am American, along with passports of other citizenships including Hong Kong. And I will admit, my people in USA have so much ego, that I often confuse it as ignorance and stupidity. Or are they all in one? If you are wondering how to fix it all, how about more empathy and less ego "by all. " By the way, A week ago, I wrote, watch China and Hong Kong and the USA response during this time of crisis. Was I wrong again? No conspiracy, some just can see more than others and have better insight and intuition. Call it wisdom. But sometimes when we try to share this wisdom, it's like telling a small child there is no Santa. They will kick, cry, and whine because they just can't comprehend the truth, so the rest of us need patience.

[The Cane]

If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.

For some people, no matter what, it's always all about color. This is not the first time from this poster, and it won't be the last.

[Beijing4987]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...d-donald-trump

Nixon looked sinister and his upper lip was sweating. Some say those who only heard the debate on radio thought Nixon had won.

What were the sources of East Coast wealth? Please enlighten me.

[ScatManDoo]

For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared.

So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause of shortages in masks and disinfectant, and not the Trumpster sitting on his hands and calling the virus a hoax during all of February (even longer).

By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.

If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.

And I don't agree that President Obama's successful help with Ebola was a stunt. Instead I believe it demonstrates how much better the world have been if Barack Obama was the president during the emergence of the Covid-19 epideminc.

It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask up

From what I have read, I think that would be a good strategy for the United States and the rest of the world. The Trumpster constantly encourages the opposite, which is just one of many ways he is failing us.

I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.

[CzarNicholas]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...d-donald-trump

[Golfinho]

I am certain that President Barack Obama would have performed much better in dealing with this viral outbreak (definitely at the beginning). Barack probably would have saved the world if he was still in power. and done nothing in the entire month of February other than repeatedly say that the virus was a hoax.

At the beginning? When was that? We've all been to China — and everywhere else in Asia — where they've been wearing masks for years, years before Obamatime. Viral outbreaks any of which could have escalated to global pandemic and all the Chinese did was strap on masks and keep on churning out their junk while focused on GDP. Look for a root cause to eliminate the next potential outbreak? It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask up and when it's too bad the Party goes heavy-handed.

For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere — pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared. ' Translated that means: you failed to lay in a sufficient supply of masks and your ruling Party didn't run militarized police out to drag the citizenry kicking and screaming into quarantine, while suppressing the scale and scope of the virus and silencing anyone who spoke up.

The only way to prevent the epidemic was to immediately stop flights from China, and quarantine anyone who'the been there. No US administration would have done that. The countries that are being praised for their responses are the countries closest geographically to China. The Koreans know what goes on there, how unhygienic and dirty Chinese are, and knew what to do. The USA was simply inexperienced and naive: 'it can't happen here because it's never happened here mentality.

By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.

[EihTooms]

It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.

In the face of Trump's years long dismantling of America's Pandemic Response teams and systems (because Obama supported and helped to build and establish them, of course), Joe Biden tweeted a warning and prediction about this current disaster back in October 2019!

Biden's tweet in 2019 is what leadership looks like. Trumpers scoffed at it, but he was right.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/05/j...ber-2019-about

[ScatManDoo]

Obama certainly could have prevented our upcoming "Trump Economic Depression".

Look at this 88 second clip of President Barack Obama from December 2014:

From the snopes website:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/.

Oops.

Here is the correct link to the 88 second video:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/

[ScatManDoo]

It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.

Exactly.

There is a reason why some countries, like Germany, South Korea & New Zealand have things well under control, with much smaller numbers of infected people & virus deaths.

While the virus is running wild in other countries, like Mexico, Brazil, England and the United States.

Good leadership matters and results with better outcomes than in countries with bad leadership, like our country.