American Politics

[EihTooms]

OK, you win Spidy. Carlos Mucha was a Republican.
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Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Republicans too. Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

Ted Bundy, Republican:

https://law.jrank.org/pages/12174/Bu...nnections.html

In fact, Bundy was the kind of Repub whose appearance, presentation and chosen candidates to support most directly would peg him as one of those "normal" Republicans.

Jeffrey Dahmer's political affiliation is more difficult to determine. However, his family's influence and life choices strongly suggest he was a typical, closeted, conservative, anti-science, bible-thumping Repub:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#text=In%20 early%201982%2 see%20 he%20 found, money%20 his%20 grandmother%20 gave%20 him.

Shortly after completing his lengthy confessions in 1991, Dahmer had requested to Detective Murphy that he be given a copy of the Bible. This request was granted and Dahmer gradually devoted himself to Christianity and became a born-again Christian. On his father's urging, he also read creationist books from the Institute for Creation Research. In May 1994, Dahmer was baptized by Roy Ratcliff, a minister in the Church of Christ and a graduate of Oklahoma Christian University whom he had met on April 20. This service was conducted in the prison whirlpool.

And there is no doubt Hitler would have been drawn to Trump's Republican Party that praises, attracts and is practically exclusively represented in its voter base by "very fine people on both sides", but most especially on the Nazi side.

[EihTooms]

And it's only going to get worse Elvis.

Here's a link to interest rates paid by the Federal government today.

https://www.gurufocus.com/yield_curve.php

Rates out to a year are running 5. 4% and 10 and 30 year treasuries are at 5% yields.

Total federal debt held by the public is $25.5 trillion. Apply, say, a 5. 1% interest rate to that and you've got about $1. 3 trillion in annual payments just for interest on the debt! That would look to be where we're headed. And that's around 26% of current government revenues. Crazy!

Well, Tooms and Spidy blame it all on Reagan, George W. Bush, Donald Trump and Republican Congressmen. And totally absolve Barrack Obama, Joe Biden and Democratic Congressmen. That's even though, in absolute terms, the national debt increased more during Obama's time in office than any other president's. And even though Biden may be on a path to exceed Obama's record if re-elected.

I think you and I agree that most federal politicians, Democrat and Republican, are poor custodians of the taxpayers' hard earned dollars. For Tooms and Spidy though it's all "Democrat Good, Republican Bad. ".

Oh now seriously, let's all put our Thinking Caps on and see if we can figure out why the national debt would need to be increased so much after Obama, Biden and, oh why not, FDR took office?

Just because they were Dems and, you know.

Dems simply "spend like drunken sailors"?

How about this; name the Dem POTUS who came into office in the midst of NO Depression, NO Recession, two back-to-back quarters of 7%+ GDP Growth, DECLINING Unemployment Rates, DECLINING Rates of Inflation, after historic job gains and NO Massive Job Losses, with America engaged in not even ONE ground war on foreign soil yet who still launched into his Party's favorite economic policies that tripled the national debt and increased deficit spending that would embarrass a drunken sailor.

I'll save you and Elvis the research time; NO incoming Dem has been handed such a set of positive conditions from an outgoing Repub going back as far as reliable records are kept.

None.

But I can readily recall at least one incoming Repub who did exactly that, all of it; Beloved Repub Icon and Template for all Repub Economic Philosophy, Agenda and Results, Teflon Ronnie Reagan.

With a great big honorable mention going to GW Bush as recipient of the second greatest handoff of all time whose favorite Repub policies shit all over the USA economy and financial prudence as soon as they were enacted.

Trump almost inherited all those positive kinds of conditions except for the ground war on foreign soil part that his immediate Repub predecessor totally unnecessarily plunged America into and was only one of at least two that his immediate Dem predecessor was handed and had to deal with on day one.

Still, no incoming Dem has been handed as good a set of conditions from an outgoing Repub as Trump was handed by Obama.

Least of all FDR, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

And for about the past 100 years, no incoming Repub has been handed as crappy a set of conditions from an outgoing Dem as virtually every Dem has been handed by the outgoing Repub. Not even close.

Just an unbroken pattern of "wild coincidences" of course, right? LOL.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Darn it desad. I'll join in the eternal pissing contest once more and go dark again after saying: if you think gay anal sex is disgusting just say so, instead of painting all gay men as predators of those under the age of consent. An for those he men who love carrying an engraved Glock, move to Compton and wear red or blue and report your activities on the American Politics thread. Maybe we will read about you in the news if you receive the "hand gun owner of the year award" for accidentally shooting youself in the groin. You might receive also the Darwin Award if you haven't yet procreated.

And I do like you since you came out as atheist. That's showing some common sense. ".

If I want to say something I say it, just ask the admin, I write it, you may never see it, like many of my posts, but I never play coy.

I say what I mean and mean what I say.

I am a true free speech absolutist.

Where did I say all gay men? You mentioned the age of consent? Ok where, what state what country.

That is a very very subjective thing, enforced willy nilly / capriciously in every of the 50 states and 3143 counties and 195 countries, ever see the movie with Jeremy Irons, Lolita?

What I did say is "GAY men love raping little boys!

And that is irrefutable!!

[Beijing4987]

Darn it desad. I'll join in the eternal pissing contest once more and go dark again after saying: if you think gay anal sex is disgusting just say so, instead of painting all gay men as predators of those under the age of consent. An for those he men who love carrying an engraved Glock, move to Compton and wear red or blue and report your activities on the American Politics thread. Maybe we will read about you in the news if you receive the "hand gun owner of the year award" for accidentally shooting youself in the groin. You might receive also the Darwin Award if you haven't yet procreated.

And I do like you since you came out as atheist. That's showing some common sense.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Please explain?

And if it's not too much to ask, please provide evidence to support your claims / hypothesis.

Thanks!

P.S. : Yes a robust explanation (preferably in your own words and coherent sentences, if possible) would be extremely helpful. And yes, supporting links are also welcomed. ".

No hypothesis necessary, every cocksucking priest that raped a little boy was GAY not straight.

How many raped the little girls? ZERO, why? You might ask why is that, because they are fucking GAY.

I went to a Catholic grammar school (and high school and university) there were plenty of girls for them to rape.

Of course not all priests were gay, but if they were GAY they were sure to be raping the little boys, whilst the hetero ones were not raping anyone.

Res ipsa loquitur.

I rest my case.

[Tiny 12]

Do numbers mean anything to you?

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/in...-a-record-high#text=Interest%20 costs%20 represented%20 about%208,spends%20 on%20 income%20 security%20 programs.

Net interest payments on the national debt rose from $352 billion in 2021 to $475 billion in 2022. As of August 2023 it costs $808 billion to maintain the debt, which is 15% of the total federal spending.

And it's only going to get worse Elvis.

Here's a link to interest rates paid by the Federal government today.

https://www.gurufocus.com/yield_curve.php

Rates out to a year are running 5. 4% and 10 and 30 year treasuries are at 5% yields.

Total federal debt held by the public is $25.5 trillion. Apply, say, a 5. 1% interest rate to that and you've got about $1. 3 trillion in annual payments just for interest on the debt! That would look to be where we're headed. And that's around 26% of current government revenues. Crazy!

I feel like doing the Jonny Carson Carnac bit. The answer is it is Trump's fault.

The question: how do Tooms and Spidy account for the massive explosion in interest payments on the debt?

Well, Tooms and Spidy blame it all on Reagan, George W. Bush, Donald Trump and Republican Congressmen. And totally absolve Barrack Obama, Joe Biden and Democratic Congressmen. That's even though, in absolute terms, the national debt increased more during Obama's time in office than any other president's. And even though Biden may be on a path to exceed Obama's record if re-elected.

I think you and I agree that most federal politicians, Democrat and Republican, are poor custodians of the taxpayers' hard earned dollars. For Tooms and Spidy though it's all "Democrat Good, Republican Bad. ".

[EihTooms]

OK, you win Spidy. Carlos Mucha was a Republican. So was Paul Krugman, Rashida Tlaib, Jerry Nadler, Lawrence Tribe, James Galbraith and everyone else who came up with or pushed the idea of using a trillion dollar platinum coin to bypass Republicans and increase the debt ceiling. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Republicans too. Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

None of them "came up with" or "pushed" that idea. Bo Gritz csme up with the idea. Paul Krugman and most of the other likely Dems only responded to questions about its legality and conceded that employing Bo Gritz' original idea (whether they knew it or not) was a silly idea but at least it was not as horrifically bad an idea as what Repubs continually try to quite seriously propose and threaten to do.

Of course, few Repubs are ever going to consider or agree to something that could be done to defang or lessen the horrific proposals and threats championed by Repubs.

Themselves over and over and over again. Expecting Repubs to consider a possible remedy to their own constant efforts to destroy domestic and global economies? LOL. That ain't going to happen very often.

Carlos Mucha / Beowolf might actually be the lone exception to that in all of Repub World.

I mean, that might be the silliest expectation and least praiseworthy thing anyone ever said about Repubs; that few if any of them considered an alternative, less horrible remedy for their own most beloved and oft-repeated economy-destroying stunts. LOL.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"Darn it Desade.

I was starting to like you after your previous post. Now you are defending the Catholic Church cult that hides and protect its male employees that prey on children. Many of these male employees may be gay or straight, but the issue is sexual exploitation of those they have tasked with mentoring and nurturing. That church cult has caused untold misery worldwide, as have most other religious cults. You have evidence that all or most gay men are pedophiles?

I was a Catholic altar boy, now a militant atheist, I never heard of any nuns fucking the other altar boys or I certainly would of been all over it!

https://dailystormer.in/well-meaning...ear-old-woman/

Please define your usage of the word pedophile.

I rest my case.

https://www.nambla.org/

https://dc.ewu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.c...context=theses

And male pederasty is alive and well circa 2023.

I would never defend HeyZeus Inc (aka The Holy See), just calling a spade a spade.

[Elvis 2008]

Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

Even though there was socialist in the party name, Hitler was a right winger and so was Stalin although I am not sure if the Democratic douches think he is a bad guy. Stalin's embrace of totalitarianism is literally what their dreams are made of.

[Elvis 2008]

And it hasn't. But I know your hoping, praying and betting for one.

How does that economist joke go? Something like, "Two (2) economists are arguing about whether, but neither of them looks out the window." Economists get it wrong all the time and have been getting it wrong for years.

But hey...we have good ol' Elvis 2008, ISG mongerer, to tell us everything we need to know about the economy. Your tell it to your Repub, chums, who might be buy it. I'm NOT!

Elvis, don't over think it! Bidenomics (and the economy) are doing just fine, perhaps try sticking your head out the window. (...kkkk!)

Do numbers mean anything to you?

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/in...-a-record-high#text=Interest%20 costs%20 represented%20 about%208,spends%20 on%20 income%20 security%20 programs.

Net interest payments on the national debt rose from $352 billion in 2021 to $475 billion in 2022. As of August 2023 it costs $808 billion to maintain the debt, which is 15% of the total federal spending.

You don't have your head out the window. Your head is up your ass.

I feel like doing the Jonny Carson Carnac bit. The answer is it is Trump's fault.

The question: how do Tooms and Spidy account for the massive explosion in interest payments on the debt?

[Tiny 12]

Now that was funny, but so true! And I do so enjoy a good "Fairy Tale". If (when) it fails, perhaps we can use it as a "Cautionary Tale/Fable"?

Speaking of "fairy tales", what ever happened to the one about the "One (1) Trillion dollar coin" (Repubs love to mint in their heads), that could simply payoff the federal debt?

I seem to hear this one, every time a Repub President takes office and then proceeds to astronomically run up the federal debt, on their way to yet another Repub recession, and every Repub and their dog, seems to think that this mystical coin is the answer.

Any Repub economists (or anyone really), care to explain how this would work?

Perhaps then, you should STOP providing the AMMUNITION, with which to use to "shoot down" your baseless claims. You just keep shooting yourself in the foot! As you just keep providing links/sources that disprove your claims.

It true what they say, "Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself" (as it were).

Tiny 12, I'm starting to doubt if you even read your own links and sources for information. This time it's your "Meet the Genius Behind ..." article found at WIRED.

You know, it is either you're just very lazy, don't read (and don't care about) your own links/sources, or you knew Beowulf was REPUBLICAN, having read the article, "Meet the Genius Behind ..." and then knowingly still chose to post, the fraudulent, fake and phony malodorous misinformation and a lie about Beowulf being a Democrat, just to suit your narrative, in a quest for your "Democrat patsy". Which is it?

Once again Tiny 12, provides "the link", to hang himself (as it were), back on October 13th, 2023, as part of his quest of find his "Democrat patsy":


Here is the section of that WIRED article, that CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY states Beowulf, is a REPUBLICAN voting again, for a REPUBLICAN:


Exhibit 1b: Beowulf aka.Carlos Mucha, Atlanta, Lawyer, who is as REPUBLICAN, as two (2) pimples on Mitch's ass (or should I say Mitt's ass).

Once again, undeniable and irrefutable evidence, delivered to you on a ("WIRED") silver platter, by Tiny 12, himself. (Note: Wait for it...the denial from Tiny 12, to declare WIRED, a source/link he provided, as some "left-biased" magazine....kkkk!)

It's important to note, that both sources (the New York Magazine Intelligencer and Wired--provided by Tiny 12), that indict Beowulf as a REPUBLICAN, are both widely seen as reputable publications of journalism. Compare that with wild speculation, conjecture, guess-work and a "leap of logic" from idol chit-chat on Twitter feed.

• Riddle me this Tiny 12: Riddle: "The more you take away, the BIGGER I get...What am I?"
  
  Answer: That would be the big "HOLE", in your bullshit notion and FACTS, that a REPUBLICAN isn't the progenitor/creator of the coin idea.

Perhaps you should STOP digging! Or at the very least don't bring your own shovel, to dig your own grave!

OK, you win Spidy. Carlos Mucha was a Republican. So was Paul Krugman, Rashida Tlaib, Jerry Nadler, Lawrence Tribe, James Galbraith and everyone else who came up with or pushed the idea of using a trillion dollar platinum coin to bypass Republicans and increase the debt ceiling. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Republicans too. Hitler would have been a Republican, but he lived in Germany.

[SubCmdr]

Now the guns make the bullets go real fast. And it is the speed behind of the mass of the bullet that really causes the damage when it hits you. The only good gun control that I believe in is the ability to make those bullets go exactly where you want them to go.

[Beijing4987]

Darn it Desade.

I was starting to like you after your previous post. Now you are defending the Catholic Church cult that hides and protect its male employees that prey on children. Many of these male employees may be gay or straight, but the issue is sexual exploitation of those they have tasked with mentoring and nurturing. That church cult has caused untold misery worldwide, as have most other religious cults. You have evidence that all or most gay men are pedophiles?

[Spidy]

The church doesn't rape and sodomize young boys GAY MEN do

Please explain?

And if it's not too much to ask, please provide evidence to support your claims / hypothesis.

Thanks!

P.S.: Yes a robust explanation (preferably in your own words and coherent sentences, if possible) would be extremely helpful. And yes, supporting links are also welcomed.

[Spidy]

... And in any event you and Tooms are using trivia about the "progenitor" to mask your original claim that somehow it's Republicans who were foolishly using the platinum trillion dollar coin to bypass Republican opposition to the increasing the debt ceiling. That just doesn't make much sense. And I wouldn't care whether the statement that he's a republican came from someone quoted in the left-biased New York Magazine's Intelligencer or the right-biased New York Post. Mucha's political beliefs aren't consistent with a Republican's. Tooms admits as much in his last post. ...

Perhaps then, you should STOP providing the AMMUNITION, with which to use to "shoot down" your baseless claims. You just keep shooting yourself in the foot! As you just keep providing links/sources that disprove your claims.

It true what they say, "Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself" (as it were).

Tiny 12, I'm starting to doubt if you even read your own links and sources for information. This time it's your "Meet the Genius Behind ..." article found at WIRED.

You know, it is either you're just very lazy, don't read (and don't care about) your own links/sources, or you knew Beowulf was REPUBLICAN, having read the article, "Meet the Genius Behind ..." and then knowingly still chose to post, the fraudulent, fake and phony malodorous misinformation and a lie about Beowulf being a Democrat, just to suit your narrative, in a quest for your "Democrat patsy". Which is it?

Once again Tiny 12, provides "the link", to hang himself (as it were), back on October 13th, 2023, as part of his quest of find his "Democrat patsy":

... I doubt Beowulf and his band of brothers had ever heard of Bo Gritz. And from my post you should know I think it's a nutty idea. But hey, I understand. You have enough sense to know it's nutty too so are trying to pawn the blame off on anyone but a Democrat.

https://www.wired.com/2013/01/trilli...coin-inventor/

Here is the section of that WIRED article, that CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY states Beowulf, is a REPUBLICAN voting again, for a REPUBLICAN:

Meet the Genius Behind the Trillion-Dollar Coin and the Plot to Breach the Debt Ceiling.

"Interestingly, although the coin has been embraced by liberals as a useful political hack and rejected by Republicans as absurd and dangerous, the man who came up with it voted for Mitt Romney. Beowulf says he would have advised the 2012 Republican presidential candidate to use the same trick had he been elected president."

https://www.wired.com/2013/01/trilli...coin-inventor/

Exhibit 1b: Beowulf aka.Carlos Mucha, Atlanta, Lawyer, who is as REPUBLICAN, as two (2) pimples on Mitch's ass (or should I say Mitt's ass).

Once again, undeniable and irrefutable evidence, delivered to you on a ("WIRED") silver platter, by Tiny 12, himself. (Note: Wait for it...the denial from Tiny 12, to declare WIRED, a source/link he provided, as some "left-biased" magazine....kkkk!)

It's important to note, that both sources (the New York Magazine Intelligencer and Wired--provided by Tiny 12), that indict Beowulf as a REPUBLICAN, are both widely seen as reputable publications of journalism. Compare that with wild speculation, conjecture, guess-work and a "leap of logic" from idol chit-chat on Twitter feed.

• Riddle me this Tiny 12: Riddle: "The more you take away, the BIGGER I get...What am I?"
  
  Answer: That would be the big "HOLE", in your bullshit notion and FACTS, that a REPUBLICAN isn't the progenitor/creator of the coin idea.

Perhaps you should STOP digging! Or at the very least don't bring your own shovel, to dig your own grave!