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02-01-23 14:51 #11710
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
As Tiny 12 stated in his earlier response to your wrongheadedness:
"Chris' estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-8.xls
The most reasonable way to treat the "type not stated" category is to apportion it in accordance with the other categories."
As we can see from the data, handgun murders are more than ten times the number of the other three categories (rifles, shotguns and other guns) combined.
As Tiny 12 and other intelligent people will agree, it makes perfect sense to apportion the unknown murders in accordance with the other three categories. Handguns are the weapon of choice in over 90% of firearm murders.
The question now becomes why the democrats and the media largely ignore the vast majority of firearm crime, involving handguns in urban ghettos, and instead focus on a tiny minority of firearm crime involving AR-15's and suburban / rural white people?
I would surmise the answer is quite clearly that it suits their leftist agenda to attack these groups, and they don't care a jot about the explosion in urban ghetto crime caused by handguns, by defunded police, or by any other of their nefarious policies. Perhaps you have an alternative explanation?
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02-01-23 14:37 #11709
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
I didn't say anything about republicans. I asked why the democrats and media don't focus their anti-gun propaganda and weepy movies / ad campaigns on handguns in urban ghettos rather than AR-15's in suburbs and rural areas, given that crime and murder committed by the former vastly outstrips the latter.
Surely if the dems and media actually cared about gun casualties and actually wanted to reduce gun crime, they would focus their considerable efforts on the areas in which it was most heavily concentrated, ie urban ghettos and handguns? Unless of course the entire thing is a ruse, they don't care a damn about gun victims and are just using the issue to further attack rural and suburban white people and the Second Amendment.
You couldn't answer the above question, so you went on an unrelated and uninformed spittle-flecked rant about the republicans.
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Nobody wants to promote violence against non-whites. Well, perhaps the left does, as their policy of defunding the police has led to even more violence in urban ghettos.
We simply want to prevent our nice suburban and rural areas from being subject to the astronomical rates of violent crime found in those ghettos.
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
On a broader note, it really is peak hilarity clownworld that the dem douches and leftists have made George Floyd their new saint. He was an absolutely worthless druggie piece of shit multiple felon with several fatherless bastard children he had abandoned, who (among many other crimes) invaded the home of a pregnant woman and pointed a gun at her belly. And the leftists are putting up statues of him! Epic clownery, and an apt metaphor for the decline of the country.
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02-01-23 08:59 #11708
Posts: 3225Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
So another issue I saw with the anti-gun nuts is they would say there were so many deaths but firearm but not distinguish between homicide and suicide. In fact, by a factor of three, the most likely person to shoot you is you. If someone kills themselves with a gun, it does not create the buzz and fear as killing others.
It would seem to me if you really want to reduce gun deaths, you would get a lot less resistance training gun owners about how to identify those at risk for suicide versus just banning guns.
But this is just another example of the anti-gun lobby really not caring that much about public safety.
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02-01-23 05:26 #11707
Posts: 1604Sheesh
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
January 20,2021.
Trump departs the White House as Democrat Joe Biden is sworn in as the nation's 46th president and heads to his private Florida estate known as Mar-a-Lago.
May 2021.
The National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA, emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over, according to The Washington Post.
December 2021.
A Trump representative tells the National Archives "that they had located some records," according to a statement published later by the National Archives.
Mid-January 2022.
The National Archives retrieves 15 boxes of presidential records from Trump's estate.
The nonpartisan presidential records agency said it "identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials" and sought permission to alert the FBI.
February 8, 2022.
The National Archives issues a public statement saying it is still searching for more of Trump's presidential records, one day after The Washington Post reported the boxes were retrieved from Florida.
February 10,2022.
USA House of Representatives Oversight Committee announces an investigation into Trump's handling of the documents, later expanding its probe in a February 24 letter to the agency.
The New York Times reports White House staff periodically found clumps of documents clogging White House toilets, an accusation Trump has said is false. Reporter Maggie Haberman later releases photos of some of the alleged found documents.
February 18,2022.
The National Archives tells Congress that Trump took classified information to his Florida home after leaving the White House.
April 7, 2022.
Sources confirm to Reuters that the USA Justice Department was investigating Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House.
April 11,2022.
The White House Counsel's Office under Biden formally requests that the National Archives give the FBI access to the 15 boxes. The National Archives notifies Trump's representatives about the FBI review in an April 12 letter.
April 29 and May 1, 2022.
Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran seeks to delay disclosure to the FBI in two letters sent to the National Archives.
May 10,2022.
Acting USA Archivist Debra Steidel Wall responds to Corcoran, rejecting Trump's requested delay and refusing his "'protective' claim of privilege," adding the FBI can access the records as soon as May 12. The letter is made public August 23 and notes hundreds of pages of classified documents were recovered so far.
May 11,2022.
Jay Bratt, chief of counterintelligence and export control at the USA Justice Department's National Security Division, requests that Trump's custodian of records appear before a federal grand jury in Washington, Tuesday's filing showed. Bratt, in a separate letter to Corcoran, says the representative can comply with the subpoena by giving the FBI "any responsive documents" and a sworn statement, instead of appearing in court. The grand jury probe was first reported by The New York Times.
June 3, 2022.
A Trump representative, whose name is redacted in the Justice Department filing, asserts that "a diligent search" was conducted for documents at Mar-a-Lago removed from the White House and that "any and all responsive documents accompany this certification. ".
August 8, 2022.
Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified — "more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to the grand jury subpoena. " Trump was not at the property at the time, and media reports showed him at Trump Tower in Manhattan.
A photo released in a court filing later that month shows some of the seized documents with clear markings of "Top Secret" and "Secret. ".
Trump, in a post online, says the records were "all declassified" and placed in "secure storage. " A day later, Trump, who continues to hint at a possible 2024 run for the presidency, cites the FBI search in a campaign fundraising appeal.
August 12,2022.
The FBI's search warrant is released to the public following approval by USA Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart.
August 22,2022.
Two weeks after the FBI's search, Trump separately asks the USA District Court for the Southern District of Florida for a so-called special master to review the documents, prompting the Justice Department's 54-page response on Tuesday.
The next day, the National Archives releases its May 10 letter to Trump's attorney.
August 26,2022.
The Justice Department releases a heavily redacted affidavit — a sworn statement outlining the evidence giving law enforcement officials probable cause to ask a judge to approve a search warrant — after media outlets sued for its release. A judge approved its release.
August 30,2022.
The department files its response to Trump's request for a special master review.
September 1, 2022.
At a hearing in West Palm Beach, Cannon suggests she is willing to accede to Trump's request and appoint a special master to review the documents.
September 2, 2022.
The FBI reveals in a court filing that it recovered more than 11,000 government documents and photographs during the August 8 search of Trump's estate, as well as 48 empty folders labeled as "classified. ".
That's the timeline. Note that Donnie the Dumbass gave back some of the records he had about seven months after being notified by NARA. Then, a month or so after that, Donnie the Dumbass lied (through his lawyers but let's make no mistake about it, Donnie the Dumbass told them what to say). Then, a month or so after that, based on a tip received by the DOJ, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lardo. https://www.voanews.com/a/timeline-o...-/6734453.html.
Here's the Biden timeline.
Nov. 2, 2022: Biden's personal attorneys come across Obama-Biden administration documents in a locked closet while packing files as they prepare to close out Biden's office in the Penn Biden Center. They notify the National Archives.
Nov. 3, 2022: The National Archives takes possession of the documents.
Nov. 4, 2022: The National Archives informs the Justice Department about the documents.
Nov. 8, 2022: Midterm elections.
November-December 2022: Biden's lawyers search the president's homes in Wilmington, Delaware, and Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, to see if there are other documents from his vice presidency.
Nov. 9, 2022: The FBI begins an assessment of whether classified information has been mishandled.
Nov. 14,2022: Garland assigns USA Attorney John Lausch to look into whether a special counsel should be appointed to investigate the matter.
Dec. 20,2022: Biden's personal counsel informs Lausch that a second batch of classified documents has been discovered in the garage at Biden's Wilmington home. The FBI goes to Biden's home in Wilmington and secures the documents.
Jan. 5, 2023: Lausch advises Garland he believes that appointing a special counsel is warranted.
Jan. 9, 2023: CBS News, followed by other news organizations, reveals the discovery of the documents at the Penn Biden Center. The White House acknowledges that "a small number" of Obama-Biden administration records, including some with classified markings, were found at the center. It makes no mention of the documents found in Wilmington.
Jan. 10:2023: Biden for the first time addresses the document issue. During a press conference in Mexico City, he says he was "surprised to learn that there were any documents" in the Penn Biden Center and doesn't know what's in them. He does not mention the documents found in Wilmington.
Jan. 11,2023: Biden's lawyers complete their search of Biden's residences, find one additional classified document in the president's personal library in Wilmington. NBC News and other news organizations reveal a second batch of documents has been found at a location other than the Penn Biden Center.
Jan. 12:2023: Biden's lawyer informs Lausch that an additional classified document has been found. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, reveals publicly for the first time that documents were found in Biden's Wilmington garage and one document was found in an adjacent room. Garland announces that he has appointed Robert Hur, a former USA Attorney in the Trump administration, to serve as special counsel.
Jan. 14:2023: The White House reveals that Biden's lawyers found more classified documents at his home than previously known. Sauber said in a statement that a total of six pages of classified documents were found during a search of Biden's private library. Sauber said Biden's personal lawyers, who did not have security clearances, stopped their search after finding the first page on Wednesday evening. Sauber found the remaining material Thursday as he was facilitating their retrieval by the Justice Department.
Jan. 19,2023: A frustrated Biden said there is "no there there" when he was persistently questioned about the discovery of the documents. "We found a handful of documents were filed in the wrong place," Biden said to reporters who questioned him during a tour of the damage from storms in California. "We immediately turned them over to the Archives and the Justice Department. " Biden said he was "fully cooperating and looking forward to getting this resolved quickly. ".
"I think you're going to find there's nothing there," he said. "There's no there there. ".
Jan. 21,2023: Biden's attorneys say the FBI searched Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware, and located additional documents with classified markings and also took possession of some of his handwritten notes. The search lasted nearly 13 hours. The FBI took six items that contained documents with classified markings, said Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer. The items spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president, he said. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-tied-to-biden.
Even you can't be dense enough to believe that obstructing the government for a year is equal to turning over found records immediately.
To be sure, both "mishandled" documents. But when Donnie the Dumbass mishandled them, he obstructed the governments efforts to get the documents returned and ignored a subpoena during the government's attempts. When Biden mishandled them, he voluntarily turned the documents over to the feds.
The other thing you sorry SOBs always seem to forget is that if Donnie the Dumbass would have simply returned everything voluntarily and invited the DOJ to send people to Mar-a-Lardo to search for more, none of this would have happened. But nooooooo. Not Donnie the Dumbass. He wasn't smart enough and held true to his name: dumbass.
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02-01-23 04:57 #11706
Posts: 1604Not Chrissie. Nope.
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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02-01-23 04:47 #11705
Posts: 1604I will make it even simpler for you
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
In gambling, there is a maxim that says "don't throw good money after bad". And that's what any handgun legislation is: throwing good money after bad.
You dumber-than-dogshit Repubs are bought and paid for by the NRA. When the NRA says "SHIT", the Repub politicians respond with the following question: "How much, how brown and how high?" Case in point, what handgun legislation did you morons propose and pass when Donnie the Dumbass and his merry band of grifters ran the show? How about 0. You will probably bring up the "Bump Stock Ban" but guess what? Bump stocks aren't for handguns. I'll bet you didn't even know that.
And your "violent crime" rhetoric is getting old. Everybody else knows that your tropes of Heritage Americans, Law and Order, Urban Ghettos and the rest are simply code words for promoting violence against People of Color.
One of these days, maybe you'll get smarter and realize the George Floyd died from knee to the neck, not an overdose. But Fucker "His lawyers argued that nobody in their right mind should ever believe a word he says" Carlson said it so must be true.
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02-01-23 04:15 #11704
Posts: 1114Is Justice really blind?
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
But it is indeed very strange, how the Dem voters got jail sentences and the Repubs offenders who clearly committed voter fraud and voted TWICE on the behalf of their dead mothers, brothers or some other related dead family members, where treated with "kid gloves" and given a slap on the wrist.
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
When events like where SCOTUS, a justice system at the very top, that has become partisan (Repub) and an unhinged president like Repub Trump (aka.Agent Orange), weaponizes the DOJ for personal vendettas, yes the justice system may have gone awry.
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02-01-23 03:06 #11703
Posts: 1114Doubling-Down
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/
So let me restate and double-down (just has you have) with unsubstantiated inflammatory, incendiary and wrongheaded logic. According to your logic, urban people ONLY use "handguns", therefore that leaves vast majority of "Firearms, type not stated" (as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012) and most of the other categories, to people in the burbs / rural US, you know the ones that, commit mass murders, insurrectionist pole killing deniers, pipe-bombers and American child soldiers with AR-15's and bazookas.
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
As I told Tiny 12, I was only following and "playing along" with your initial "shucking and jiving". So until you provide the data and evidence to backup your claims, its all just noise to me. But I'm sure the dog whistle drivel you put forth is very entertaining to some.
And the fact that my style of writing is obviously getting to you, is music to my ears..
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
Surely, you can do better.
If you are going to rant, spew your hatred and bullpucky nonsense ad nauseam, may I suggest you bring data, facts, and actually evidence to the discussion.
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01-31-23 22:59 #11702
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
I'll make it simple so you can understand it. There is over ten times more gun crime committed in urban areas with handguns than in rural / suburban areas with rifles.
Why, therefore, do the dem douches and the fake media / hollyweird not focus their message and legislative efforts on the areas (urban ghettos / handguns) which would save most lives and reduce most crime?
Because they don't care about saving lives or reducing crime. We've already seen that with the leftist reaction to the George Floyd fentanyl overdose, with Kamala Harris among others cheering on billions of dollars of damage in riots and looting and bailing out the perps on the rare occasion they were actually arrested.
Many lives have been lost and violent crime has spiked as a direct result of the democrat and media encouragement of the riots and attacks on law enforcement.
The left are very happy to see this, as long as it promotes their nefarious agenda which hates America, hates capitalism and enterprise, hates law and order, hates white people, hates stable families and hates Christianity; and wishes to replace it with illegal dregs from the third world, communism, plus trannies and faggots grooming kids at "drag queen story hour".
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01-31-23 20:02 #11701
Posts: 5451LOL. Exactly
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
How dare they shirk their responsibility as Public Servants to solve every conceivable problem by wasting so much of their time on silly stuff like Recovering Us From Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Historic Repub Deficit Spending With Nothing To Show For It, World-wide Economic Paralysis Due To Crippling Pandemics Thanks To Colossal Repub National Security Negligence, Pulling Us Out Of Multiple Quagmire Repub Wars, etc, etc, etc?
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01-31-23 19:47 #11700
Posts: 5451Ok
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Please be careful not to be so "partisan" to the truth. You're likely to start reposting all of my posts and agreeing with me on everything.
Oh, look! Since you couldn't come up with anything, here are examples of more "Dem losing" and "Repub winning" because of the way I see the real world vs the way Repubs and pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersiders see their bizarro world:
Did Democrats just have the best midterms by a presidents party in years?
Nov. 10, 2022
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ts-party-years
The Democrats may have had the best midterm a presidents party has experienced in 20 years since 9/11 brought Republicans to slight, trend-bucking gains in the House and Senate in 2002.
Nov. 13,2022
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/polit...use/index.html
Instead, Biden and the Democrats are in a position to have one of the four best midterms for the party controlling the White House in the last century.
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01-31-23 19:25 #11699
Posts: 3225Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
In Republican eyes, the Department of Injustice made complete fucking asses of them with the SWAT team raid on Mar a Largo and how they handled Biden just magnified how stupid they were.
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01-31-23 19:14 #11698
Posts: 3225Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
When you look at Maricopa County in Arizona and what asses the election officials have made of themselves, the one thing you cannot state is that they have competence. After these last two elections, if that county does not have its shit together and run an election glitch free, a judge will have the political cover to step in and take those officials head on. I doubt the shit that happened in 2020 will be tolerated in 2024.
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Of all the dumb things I have read on this forum probably the worst were guys being critical of the woman I was seeing being a single mom. They were saying she was less value because of that and was stupid to have kept her kid. I responded, "So was your mother stupid to not have aborted you?" Shockingly, I did not get a response.
Point is that if the Republicans would stop with their stupid shaming and your killing babies speech and elevate the good single moms as to having more value than the ones who had abortions they could actually turn this into a plus. In other words, embrace being pro-life and quit using that phrase as meaning anti-abortion.
Yeah, she hid that she was a single mom from early on but once I got to know the kid and saw what a good mother she was, her being a single mother was actually a plus for me.
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01-31-23 18:29 #11697
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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01-31-23 18:22 #11696
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]