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12-07-22 22:35 #11162
Posts: 1604You have drunk the Koolaid
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
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12-07-22 22:02 #11161
Posts: 1127Bothersidesism attempts to normalize QAnon / Repub economics
Originally Posted by Tiny 12 [View Original Post]
Typical response to try and normalize and "bothsider" the corrupt and dysfunctional party that is now basically/predominately a QAnon/Repub/Bothersider looney-tunes conspiracy party, hell bent on subverting democracy, the rule of law and The US Constitution.
The "Two Santa Clause" theory clearly has the Repubs, spending like drunken sailors to enrich themselves and their billionaire cronies and the other party (the Dems) clearly spending money to benefit and stimulate a stagnant and recessive economy, typically decimated and left-for-dead by Repubs, with their ill-fated trickle-down economics.
Yep, your article is just more bothersidesism. But I did like the following quote:
... What's more, presidents do not control the business cycle, even if the business cycle plays a part in the outcomes of presidential elections. ...
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...nomic-managers
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12-07-22 11:28 #11160
Posts: 5466Magical Bothsiderism Thinking now?
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
In the past century, Hoover, Eisenhower, Bush1, Bush2 and Trump did.
List of recessions in the United States
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._United_States
Interesting highly partisan "business cycle" you've got stuck in your mind. The crap cycles, especially the spectacularly bad crap cycles, only occur at the end of Repub presidential terms when they come at the end and never at the end of Dem presidential terms whether the end of those terms come after 4 years, 8 years or in party sequential terms, 12 years or 20 years.
Which begs the question, how do those highly partisan "business cycles" know?!
Look, if it rankles you and your "economists" that the historical economic record favors Dems and punishes Repubs because those lucky Dems get to take over right when the outgoing Repub's economy is crashing down around our ears, millions of jobs are being wiped out and, goodness gracious, all the beautifully well-timed incoming POTUS of any party but always seems to be Dems needs to do is flip a magic light switch, go ride ponies or play golf and, as sure as night follows day, that miraculous "business cycle" will do all the work to recover the economy, instill confidence in brave free market Capitalists and business owners, create millions of jobs to recover the millions lost and all within just 2-3 months, here is the fix for what ails you:
Tell your beloved Repubs to stop promoting and enacting classic Repub policies and stewardship that produces those crap results that greet the incoming Dems over and over and over again in the first place.
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12-07-22 03:47 #11159
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
It's called the business cycle.
But I'll play along with your game. My graph of employment and recessions just goes back to about 1948. During that time Truman, Carter and Clinton all left Republicans with recessions that started during the final fiscal year of government that was budgeted and began during the Democrat Presidents' terms. Johnson missed doing the same by about three months. But of course you're going to poo poo that. Given Tooms' rules, the Republicans end up with the blame for the recessions, that purportedly resulted from the policies and budgets set by the Democrats. Meanwhile the Democrats receive the credit for the better times that preceded them.
I say purportedly because, again, I believe the party of the President has little to do with economic performance.
Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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12-07-22 03:26 #11158
Posts: 5466Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
By Majority or Plurality, either one is the winner of the actual vote.
LOL. When Reagan's classic Repub policies and stewardship produced a horrific Great Repub Recession, tripled the debt, skyrocketed the unemployment rate and the deficit, Repubs and pro Repub Bothsiders tried to float that same bit and disavow him as the classic Repub icon he was.
Yeah, Reagan had been a Dem once upon a time just like Trump. And, just like Trump, the minute he decided to see if a shot at politics would boost his profile and repair his bank account, his lifelong observations of the two parties convinced him the Repub Party was the party where his celebrity and name recognition could excel and payoff; sleep til Noon, ride ponies, know nothing, do very little, his crap results would be applauded and spun into election winning advantage by Mainstream Media, etc while being a Dem meant he'd actually have to know something, do something, work hard, produce positive results and never expect accolades or positive spin for it in Mainstream Media.
There is no way those two "actors" could cut it as a Dem if they entered the world of politics and they knew it.
Then, as Repubs their policies and stewardship were classic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down idiocy combined with classic disdain and reduction of regulations leading directly to classic Repub results; making the already wealthy even wealthier at the great expense of everyone else, crashing the economy, skyrocketing unemployment rates and deficits, middling private sector jobs creation at best or catastrophic job losses by the millions at worst.
Reagan and Trump are the classic Repub icons of icons.
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12-07-22 01:45 #11157
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
"Deficit Trends" about 2/3rds of the way down the following is a much more balanced breakdown.
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...nomic-managers
The writer, an economist, lambasts the George W. Bush administration for the Iraq war and the effect on the national debt, as he well should.
Otherwise, both parties spend like drunken sailors, and the Democrats are somewhat worse.
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12-07-22 00:23 #11156
Posts: 1127Excellent, You Nailed it, indeed!...it's called the, "Two Santa Clauses Theory"
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Thom Hartmann: How the GOP Used a Two Santa Clauses Tactic to Con America for Nearly 40 Years: https://www.alternet.org/2018/02/two...early-40-years
... And, hopefully, some of our media will begin to call the GOP out on the Two Santa Clauses program. Its about time that Americans realized the details of the scam that's been killing wages and enriching billionaires for nearly four decades. --- Thom Hartmann
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12-06-22 22:07 #11155
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
I'm not sure whether Donald Trump should be counted as a Republican or a Democrat. He's a Democrat infiltrator of the Republican Party, a former card carrying member of the Democratic Party, and the Democrat's best friend. The Republicans would have won the Senate in 2020 and 2022, and blown out the House in 2022, if not for Trump.
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12-06-22 21:24 #11154
Posts: 5466Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
In the case of Trump, crafty Moscow Mitch refused to give Trump anything to sign and pass until the last working day of December in his first year in office because he knew the Repub Trump "economic" record could only be improved by letting him blather on and Do Nothing for as long as possible while he merely coasted on the superior economic conditions he inherited from Obama-Biden and would only suffer by any crap Repub economic legislation crappy enough for him to sign and pass and any other decisions he made.
LOL. Man, did he call that one right!
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12-06-22 21:05 #11153
Posts: 5466Again, you didn't prove anything
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Repub Presidents' favorite economic policies produce crap results while the Dem Presidents' favorite economic policies produce far superior results. Presidents are elected on their stated economic proposals. Once in office, they propose those policies to Congress and expect them to be included in budgets and other legislation. Or they find the veto pen.
If they fail at getting any of it done and the economy goes to shit then I guess they weren't up for the job. I don't know of any POTUS who didn't get any of the economic agenda he ran his campaign on done. And, sure enough, when the Repub gets his way the economy tanks and jobs creation suffers, often badly, but when the Dem gets his way the economy expands and historic numbers of jobs are created.
Name a Repub president of the past 100 years who didn't hand off seriously crap economic conditions to the incoming Dem, usually the country actually IN a verified Recession or Depression, elevated unemployment rates, having either wiped out millions of jobs or produced one of the worst jobs creation records in history.
Neither you nor any of your linked "economists" can. Not one.
Now name an outgoing Dem president of the past 100 years who did the same thing to an incoming Repub.
Nope. You can't.
No amount of tortured math or blind faith in voodoo economics can change the data and rewrite history for you.
BTW, what can I say about the NYT links that are sometimes blocked by Subscription Request pop ups and sometimes not? As I understand it, clearing your Google / Chrome cache allows you to get a certain amount of free views. Maybe that's what I had done recently when I posted those links. And I'll bet the vast majority of the time my NYT link was just one additional one reporting the same real news of other links I provided in order to prove my point, not just one. So those with cleared cache or subscriptions could read those too.
Now, generally when I provide a link to a source, even those NYT links, I will quote a meaningful amount of the text that applies to the point I am making. Hell, even the highlighted in bold titles and headlines I almost always take the trouble to include provide a wealth of information.
You know, like what you didn't do with that collection of URLs for entire pages of posts and entire articles, without even the titles of the articles and pdf files included, on the mistaken assumption that I or anyone else is going to plow through all of it to do all the work for you and make your case for you out of it.
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12-06-22 20:16 #11152
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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12-06-22 19:56 #11151
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Part 1: A Repub president gets elected. Dems spend 2 years throwing up roadblocks to every bit of legislation the Repubs propose. The Dems point to the "fact" that Repubs haven't gotten anything done (they conveniently forget that Dems were the ones blocking everything). Dems gain a majority of House and-or Senate. Dems spend the next 2 years (or up to 6 more years) complaining about how Repubs want to build a wall and-or want fewer government handouts and-or want to put all the young black men in jail and-or a bunch of other stuff.
Part 2: After 4 (or 8) years, a Dem gets elected president because they have convinced the voters that they know what they're doing re: the economy. Dems have a majority in the House and-or Senate. Dems pass another bunch of voodoo spending bills, largely welfare for corporations and the upper middle class and spend money like drunken sailors. Just look at the 5 trillion in new spending authorized during the first two years of the Biden Administration. Dems are thrown out (after 4 or 8 years) and Repub is elected president and Repubs have control of the House and-or Senate. Repubs pass legislation to cut regulation and taxes that result in the working man actually making some gains instead of falling further and further behind (e.g. 2019). Dems are now pushing harder than ever to spend money like drunken sailors.
Go to Part 1.
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12-06-22 19:55 #11150
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Useful tip: If you can't see the entire width of a web page with your hand phone, rotate it 90 degrees, so that you're looking at it sideways.
And irony of ironies. The reason I subscribed to the New York Times, at the teaser rate of $4 a month, was to read your and Xpartan's links, like this one.
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12-06-22 18:39 #11149
Posts: 1604Actually, I didn't
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Personal Responsibility.
"It's not your conditions but rather your actions which are responsible for where you are. This is said despite Republicans passing legislation which gave away 270 million acres of land, for free, which jolted the USA Economy, created personal opportunity, and wealth that could be passed down, creating, well, better conditions for white people. "
Big Government.
Code for federal assistance — such as grants, SNAP benefits, unemployment, health insurance. It is also used to describe federal protections — such as regulation and civil rights. It claims government being too big and too involved in the lives of "individuals. "
Job Creators.
Means people who own businesses that employ other people. For conservatives, this really means rich people. When 10% of the population controls 76% of the wealth, the last thing the Republicans and their rich donors need is even the slightest, burdensome tax increase.
School Choice.
Means students shouldn't be bound to attending schools in their local neighborhoods, but rather should have the freedom to attend any school that fits their needs. School choice for Republicans is a code word for segregation and allowing discrimination. It is a code word for the privatization of public schools. Rather than federal dollars going to public schools for teaching improvements or community learning, Republicans believe those dollars are better spent in the form of a voucher, which can be used toward tuition at a private or charter school.
Activist Judges.
"These are judges, usually appointed by Democratic presidents, who uphold any law passed with a Democratic majority or rule against any law passed with a Republican majority. On the contrary, judges appointed by Republicans who uphold conservative laws or strike down liberal laws are referred to by conservatives as, "originalists," or, "defenders of the constitution. " It's cool if we do it. Just not you. "
States' Rights / Leave it up to the states.
"Means that states should be free to implement discriminatory, racist laws without the federal government intervening. Because it took executive orders, literal acts of Congress, and federal intervention to end racist laws, conservatives intellectualize their defense of these issues by invoking terms such as individual liberty, government overreach, or, unconstitutional. So in other words, "We don't think the government should tell you that you can't discriminate, so we'll leave it up to the states which will turn a blind eye to protect your individual liberties, such as the right to discriminate. "
Critical Race Theory.
Code to derail efforts to promote talks about racial diversity, equity and inclusion in the public schools there. Black students complained about being the victims of racism and microaggressions. By ignoring these complaints, the White parents attending school board meetings to blow the CRT dog whistle have proven to us that they believe their fears and resentments about a manufactured CRT controversy are more valid than Black students' actual grievances. - https://jehallen.com/2021/12/30/the-crt-dog-whistle/.
Illegal immigrants.
Republican code words for undocumented aliens referred mainly to Latinos and especially to Mexicans. - History Network.
Islamic terrorism.
Used to offends millions of Islamic people in America who view massacres with the same disgust as Christians, Jews, and others in the United States. 'Radical Islamic terrorist' associate decent individuals and families with people who engage in crimes against humanity. " - History Network.
America first.
Claims that America's legal immigration system should be curtailed to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation's culture and rule of law. It calls for infrastructure that "reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture. " It states that public infrastructure "must be utilitarian as well as stunningly, classically beautiful, befitting a world power and source of freedom," specifically citing the example of the ancient Romans. - MSN.
Real Americans.
Code for white right-wing Christians. Treating "evangelical White Christians" as a synonym for "right-wing conservatives" does no justice to the millions of evangelical white voters on the Christian Left or those who are not political. " - HandWiki.
Minimum Wage.
"We aren't going to pay you a living wage "because of socialism. " We are sending half the family to jail where they will work for even less. When we say "lazy minimum-wage workers," we aren't just talking about teenagers entering the workforce. " - FactMyth.
Tax Cuts.
"Tax Cuts. " Don't worry, we are going to cut welfare, but we'll also give you liberty and freedom from the welfare state. As you know, rich white people love creating jobs for poor black people. Just think about all the black people who have worked for white people in the past and how empowering it was. " - FactMyth.
Moochers & Takers.
Moochers and Takers. A moocher is someone on welfare. If welfare isn't enough of a clue, let's add in a word that sounds suspiciously like the and-Word. To this I say, "Yes, genius, poor black people took everything, that is why they have so much. It couldn't possibly be those whose wealth increases every year, who collect interest payments and profit off debt. Let's just keep blaming black people. " - FactMyth.
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12-06-22 18:01 #11148
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2743466
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2744566
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2747584.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2748196.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2748202.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2748598.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2748972.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2749483.
Here are a couple of weightier tomes for Tooms, written by economists. The first one from Brian Riedl is an easy read.
https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...nomic-managers
Here's the classic paper on the subject. You have to download the. Pdf:
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.20140913
Conclusions of both: The party of the President makes little or no difference in economic performance.