American Politics

[EihTooms]

Here's a transcript of the interview. Which question and answer was it? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5985527&page=1.

"So we are going to make sure that every young person in America can go to college. They have a right to be worried about social security and Medicare because those entitlement program are going to be running out of money unless we make some fundamental changes. And those are going to be tough choices. You know, I have offered what I think is the best approach on Social Security, for example, which is raising the cap on the payroll tax, keeping the tax rate the same, but saying, you know, somebody like myself or Warren Buffet can afford to pay a little more in payroll tax to make sure the system is solvent."

I think we can all see how a fair and balanced Bothsider / Neithersider like Tiny12, who praised Great Repub Recession Ronald Reagan for "saving Social Security" by taxing it and taking much more money from many more people in order to do so, would recoil in horror at the very idea of simply raising the cap on the payroll tax, not the tax, in order to save it. Oh, and to help make a college education affordable to more Americans.

I mean, in terms of causing pain for his lofty income bracket, that's right up there with Hitler yanking the gold fillings out of Jewish people's teeth, starving and working them to death in the concentration camps and gassing the rest in the showers.

Of course, it is understandable why he couldn't vote for such a callous, murderous, thieving "lib" like that.

[EihTooms]

It's called "sedition". At the very least. It's what America-hating, anti-American democracy traitors would do. And Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal's Editorial Board has seen and heard enough even without his testifying under oath that the former defeated and twice Impeached so-called president, Donald J. Trump, commited it. By logical extenstion, his defenders, followers and supporters are still engaged in it.

That would include the vast majority of Repubs in Congress, those running for election, openly Repub voters and all the stealth Repub voters pretending to be "Bothsiders" or "Neithersiders. ".

I wonder if this WSJ conclusion will find its way to Murdoch's FUX News Editorial Staff pretending to be neutral reporters of the facts' audience. Probably not.

What the Jan. 6 Hearings Accomplished
A subpoena to Trump gets the headlines, but its work is mostly done.
By The Editorial Board
Oct. 14, 2022

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-th...ss-11665699321

The House Jan. 6 committee voted 9-0 on Thursday to subpoena former President Trump, but the clock is ticking. If Republicans take the House, theyll shut down the inquiry posthaste in early January. If he wants to avoid the hot seat, Mr. Trump only needs to find a way to resist the subpoena until then.

Rep. Liz Cheney justified an extraordinary subpoena to a former President by saying that more than 30 witnesses in our investigation have invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. They include John Eastman, who told Mr. Trump that Vice President Mike Pence could derail the Electoral College count, as well as Jeffrey Clark, who tried to get the Justice Department to legitimize dubious fraud claims.

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has refused to testify. Outside adviser Steve Bannon also refused and was convicted of contempt of Congress, for which hell soon be sentenced.

Getting direct evidence of Mr. Trumps actionand inactionwas always going to be a challenge. There is no evidence so far that Mr. Trump was communicating or coordinating with the Proud Boys or other nefarious elements in the runup to Jan. 6. On Thursday the committee played video of foolish talk by Roger Stone, another Trump flunkie who also took the Fifth. I say f the voting, lets get right to the violence, Mr. Stone said on Nov. 2, which was the day before the election.

What the committee has accomplished, however, is to cement the facts surrounding Mr. Trumps recklessness after Nov. 3 and his dereliction of duty on Jan. 6. The Justice Department and Mr. Trumps own campaign repeatedly told him that his fraud claims were without basis. Whether it was willful blindness or an intentional strategy, he kept repeating them.

In testimony played Thursday, former White House Communications Director Alyssa Farah Griffin said that about a week after Joe Biden was declared the winner, I popped into the Oval just to, like, give the President the headlines and see how he was doing, and he was looking at the TV, and he said, Can you believe I lost to this effing guy? Yet Mr. Trump still pressured Mr. Pence to stop the Electoral College count, while calling for a Jan. 6 rally that he tweeted will be wild!

That day he riled up the crowd and urged it to march on the Capitol. Mr. Trump allegedly intended to go there himself, if the Secret Service hadnt refused. Then he watched the riot on TV. Another striking video Thursday was a question the committee put to his White House counsel, Pat Cipollone: When you were in the dining room in these discussions, was the violence at the Capitol visible on the screen, on the television? His reply: Yes.

Committee members said Thursday they will write a report summarizing their findings. Transcripts of the testimony ought to be released at the same time, so that posterity can see what Mr. Cipollone and others said in full. Ditto for the documents gathered. The committees credibility has suffered without GOP cross-examination of the witnesses. And the way that the committee selectively leaked Ginni Thomass text messages was outrageous, and appeared to be an effort to discredit her husband, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

The Jan. 6 committee probably wont get Mr. Trump under oath, but the evidence of his bad behavior is now so convincing that political accountability hardly requires it.

[EihTooms]

Haha. ROTFLMAO. You're smart. You're capable of so much more. Please post something that makes more sense than "the Democrats stole the election." Or "COVID isn't any worse than the flu."

You mean post more than that to prove your beloved Repub Party's most beloved and iconic leader, Trump, is an America-hating liar who worked harder and more successfully to create Trump's Pandemic and all of the global economic fallout from it than any other world leader did or could have?

Seriously? Good gawd, man. Snap out of it.

I realize you came to this forum very late in the game. But at least go back a few months and review the voluminous amount of fully documented and linked posts on those topics that go well beyond those two statements.

That is assuming you were in such a deep coma all through the Trump years that any of those dozens and dozens of fully documented posts by me and others here would genuinely come as a shocking surprise to you.

[PVMonger]

I largely agree with your post Elvis. I did not vote for George W. Bush. I had more insight into his character than most. I did vote for McCain, even though he was a warmonger and I believed the invasion of Iraq and all out war on terror were huge mistakes. Why? Because I really disliked Obama. He was sanctimonious and self righteous. During the 2008 campaign, Obama's response to a question from Charlie Gibson during a 2008 debate indicated to me that he was out to f*ck people like me, and other Americans whose only sin was busting their asses to make something of themselves. Obama implied his primary goal was to make the tax system fair (i.e. reduce inequality), even if that resulted in lower revenues to the government. Make everyone worse off if it makes everyone more equal.

Well, if you were Jewish, would you have voted for Hitler in the mid 1930's? If you were Tutsi would you have voted for Habyarimana in the early 1990's? Hell no. And Hitler and Habyarimana at least thought they were dealing with a zero sum game. You take away the possessions of a Jew or a Tutsi and give them to a gentile or a Hutu, and you still have the same amount of stuff. In Obama's world, if the Jew and the gentile and the Hutu and the Tutsi all end up with less, then that's great as long as they're more equal.

Ironically, Obama didn't turn out to be so bad. So I can see why you say you'd vote for him again. Biden's desired policies on taxation and energy, the two issues which matter to me, are so wrong headed, compared to what actually transpired during the Obama administration.

I don't think there will be a Reaganesque landslide in 2024, unless Trump, the Democrat's Best Friend, dies. He's been very successful at nuking Republicans' prospects since he was first elected.

Here's a transcript of the interview. Which question and answer was it? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5985527&page=1.

[Tiny 12]

Tiny, there is no point in arguing with the Dems on this point. , and I will tell you why. In 2008, I was sick of GW Bush's policies and hated McCain so I voted for Obama and was glad I did. I would vote the same way, but how do you follow my tax dollars? You cannot. So this entire red-blue issue is completely flawed. I will grant the Dems are good at using the same math as they use for climate change at justifying why they are better.

And they did the same with Covid. I do not how you get to a point that political party transcends age and individual health with a fucking virus but there was this incessant noise about how blue states were doing better with Covid than red ones. The funniest were Dems bragging about science and how smart they were with Covid while all their leaders came down with Covid including Fauci, Biden, and the CEO of Pfizer. Yeah, Trump got Covid but he was not saying Republicans were getting less Covid than Dems. And if he did, I would have thought he was an idiot for doing so.

Yeah, the market is now in bear territory and inflation is unabating and somehow it is not Biden's fault. Somehow even though he has been out of office for nearly 2 years, it is Trump's fault.

There are two ways that the Dems play the "math" game. Like I said, saying who pays more taxes, Republicans or Dems, is a completely futile exercise, but you know what they do with the climate change math? They project like ten different answers. And if you question that, then they ask, "Are you a scientist?

There was one Dem not Tooms who was long real estate using a REIT. I told him that going long real estate when the Fed was raising rates was a horrible idea, and he said I did not get his investment. I shook my head. Here we go again I thought, attack the man versus his argument. A few weeks ago the REIT index was at a 52 week low, but I think this asshole probably still thinks he was right, and I was just lucky in my projection. SMH.

You mentioned voting, and I think there is going to be a backlash in 2022 from the abortion issue but in 2024, the economy is going to be in the dumps (but unemployment will still not be that high) and we will be seeing numbers that last appeared in the Carter era. Besides abortion, what do they have? Peace? LOL. The economy? Tolerance for trans people? Republicans as racists? Censorship?

In 2022, I think Republicans will get the House but in 2024, there is going to be a Reaganesque type landslide. Because what you will see is what the Dems here try to do. Anything bad is Republican, and anything good is Democrat, and people see through that BS.

I largely agree with your post Elvis. I did not vote for George W. Bush. I had more insight into his character than most. I did vote for McCain, even though he was a warmonger and I believed the invasion of Iraq and all out war on terror were huge mistakes. Why? Because I really disliked Obama. He was sanctimonious and self righteous. During the 2008 campaign, Obama's response to a question from Charlie Gibson during a 2008 debate indicated to me that he was out to f*ck people like me, and other Americans whose only sin was busting their asses to make something of themselves. Obama implied his primary goal was to make the tax system fair (i.e. reduce inequality), even if that resulted in lower revenues to the government. Make everyone worse off if it makes everyone more equal.

Well, if you were Jewish, would you have voted for Hitler in the mid 1930's? If you were Tutsi would you have voted for Habyarimana in the early 1990's? Hell no. And Hitler and Habyarimana at least thought they were dealing with a zero sum game. You take away the possessions of a Jew or a Tutsi and give them to a gentile or a Hutu, and you still have the same amount of stuff. In Obama's world, if the Jew and the gentile and the Hutu and the Tutsi all end up with less, then that's great as long as they're more equal.

Ironically, Obama didn't turn out to be so bad. So I can see why you say you'd vote for him again. Biden's desired policies on taxation and energy, the two issues which matter to me, are so wrong headed, compared to what actually transpired during the Obama administration.

I don't think there will be a Reaganesque landslide in 2024, unless Trump, the Democrat's Best Friend, dies. He's been very successful at nuking Republicans' prospects since he was first elected.

[Tiny 12]

Well, that's just silly. Of course the stock market turmoil and hyper-inflation are Trump's handiwork and not Biden's.

We have both because of Trump's Pandemic.

We have Trump's Pandemic because going back to at least 2018 and against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous and stupid Trump laid the foundation and then devoted major portions of his miserable so-called presidency converting a likely otherwise manageable viral spread in a region of China into the Trump's Pandemic it became and still is in all its variations around the world. Major global supply-chains are still crippled thanks to Trump's tireless efforts to destroy domestic and global economies like no other world leader ever.

You know, Obama had two opportunities in his successful presidency to make all the worst possible economic-related decisions and then compound those colossal mistakes by taking to the stage to lie to the world about virus spreads until he turned them into global economy-destroying "Obama's Pandemics. ".

But Obama didn't do that either time.

Trump did.

This current economic and stock market challenge was at least three years in the making by Trump, his supporters and, frankly, anyone who was dumb enough not to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The health, jobs, business recovery, proper expansion and positive gains by Biden and his Dems vs the total shit storm Trump left behind just 21 months ago is nothing short of historic.

Haha. ROTFLMAO. You're smart. You're capable of so much more. Please post something that makes more sense than "the Democrats stole the election." Or "COVID isn't any worse than the flu."

[DramaFree11]

Tiny, there is no point in arguing with the Dems on this point. , and I will tell you why. In 2008, I was sick of GW Bush's policies and hated McCain so I voted for Obama and was glad I did. I would vote the same way, but how do you follow my tax dollars? You cannot. So this entire red-blue issue is completely flawed. I will grant the Dems are good at using the same math as they use for climate change at justifying why they are better.

And they did the same with Covid. I do not how you get to a point that political party transcends age and individual health with a fucking virus but there was this incessant noise about how blue states were doing better with Covid than red ones. The funniest were Dems bragging about science and how smart they were with Covid while all their leaders came down with Covid including Fauci, Biden, and the CEO of Pfizer. Yeah, Trump got Covid but he was not saying Republicans were getting less Covid than Dems. And if he did, I would have thought he was an idiot for doing so.

Yeah, the market is now in bear territory and inflation is unabating and somehow it is not Biden's fault. Somehow even though he has been out of office for nearly 2 years, it is Trump's fault.

There are two ways that the Dems play the "math" game. Like I said, saying who pays more taxes, Republicans or Dems, is a completely futile exercise, but you know what they do with the climate change math? They project like ten different answers. And if you question that, then they ask, "Are you a scientist?

There was one Dem not Tooms who was long real estate using a REIT. I told him that going long real estate when the Fed was raising rates was a horrible idea, and he said I did not get his investment. I shook my head. Here we go again I thought, attack the man versus his argument. A few weeks ago the REIT index was at a 52 week low, but I think this asshole probably still thinks he was right, and I was just lucky in my projection. SMH.

You mentioned voting, and I think there is going to be a backlash in 2022 from the abortion issue but in 2024, the economy is going to be in the dumps (but unemployment will still not be that high) and we will be seeing numbers that last appeared in the Carter era. Besides abortion, what do they have? Peace? LOL. The economy? Tolerance for trans people? Republicans as racists? Censorship?

In 2022, I think Republicans will get the House but in 2024, there is going to be a Reaganesque type landslide. Because what you will see is what the Dems here try to do. Anything bad is Republican, and anything good is Democrat, and people see through that BS.

Elvis, Biden has done nothing to fix the Supply Chain issues. I need two work truck, and commercial lawn mower, all are still on back order. One of the trucks in specialized but the other is normal 3/4 pickup truck, they are still not available. We need a part for one of our truck, I find out they are on national back order, this ridiculous. There is no excuse for this. Everybody is having the same issues. Biden is not fault for all of the issues, but he has done very little to fix the issue.

High gas prices are on Biden and the clowns he has surrounded himself with.

Crime and Drugs are out control, they are doing nothing, not to mention the border.

There would still be inflation, but he has made everything much worse. He is killing the middle class, minorities and the poor.

[EihTooms]

Tiny, there is no point in arguing with the Dems on this point. , and I will tell you why. In 2008, I was sick of GW Bush's policies and hated McCain so I voted for Obama and was glad I did. I would vote the same way, but how do you follow my tax dollars? You cannot. So this entire red-blue issue is completely flawed. I will grant the Dems are good at using the same math as they use for climate change at justifying why they are better.

And they did the same with Covid. I do not how you get to a point that political party transcends age and individual health with a fucking virus but there was this incessant noise about how blue states were doing better with Covid than red ones. The funniest were Dems bragging about science and how smart they were with Covid while all their leaders came down with Covid including Fauci, Biden, and the CEO of Pfizer. Yeah, Trump got Covid but he was not saying Republicans were getting less Covid than Dems. And if he did, I would have thought he was an idiot for doing so.

Yeah, the market is now in bear territory and inflation is unabating and somehow it is not Biden's fault. Somehow even though he has been out of office for nearly 2 years, it is Trump's fault.

There are two ways that the Dems play the "math" game. Like I said, saying who pays more taxes, Republicans or Dems, is a completely futile exercise, but you know what they do with the climate change math? They project like ten different answers. And if you question that, then they ask, "Are you a scientist?

There was one Dem not Tooms who was long real estate using a REIT. I told him that going long real estate when the Fed was raising rates was a horrible idea, and he said I did not get his investment. I shook my head. Here we go again I thought, attack the man versus his argument. A few weeks ago the REIT index was at a 52 week low, but I think this asshole probably still thinks he was right, and I was just lucky in my projection. SMH.

You mentioned voting, and I think there is going to be a backlash in 2022 from the abortion issue but in 2024, the economy is going to be in the dumps (but unemployment will still not be that high) and we will be seeing numbers that last appeared in the Carter era. Besides abortion, what do they have? Peace? LOL. The economy? Tolerance for trans people? Republicans as racists? Censorship?

In 2022, I think Republicans will get the House but in 2024, there is going to be a Reaganesque type landslide. Because what you will see is what the Dems here try to do. Anything bad is Republican, and anything good is Democrat, and people see through that BS.

Well, that's just silly. Of course the stock market turmoil and hyper-inflation are Trump's handiwork and not Biden's.

We have both because of Trump's Pandemic.

We have Trump's Pandemic because going back to at least 2018 and against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous and stupid Trump laid the foundation and then devoted major portions of his miserable so-called presidency converting a likely otherwise manageable viral spread in a region of China into the Trump's Pandemic it became and still is in all its variations around the world. Major global supply-chains are still crippled thanks to Trump's tireless efforts to destroy domestic and global economies like no other world leader ever.

You know, Obama had two opportunities in his successful presidency to make all the worst possible economic-related decisions and then compound those colossal mistakes by taking to the stage to lie to the world about virus spreads until he turned them into global economy-destroying "Obama's Pandemics. ".

But Obama didn't do that either time.

Trump did.

This current economic and stock market challenge was at least three years in the making by Trump, his supporters and, frankly, anyone who was dumb enough not to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

The health, jobs, business recovery, proper expansion and positive gains by Biden and his Dems vs the total shit storm Trump left behind just 21 months ago is nothing short of historic.

[Travv]

Washington, the. See — In a recent interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, President Biden sat down to assure the nation that while a nuclear war is likely on the way, it will only be "very slight" and "mostly peaceful".

"Look folks, here's the deal. I don't think there will be a nuclear war with Russia. But if it is, it'll be very a very slight one," said President Joe Biden. "It'll be just a mild mostly peaceful armageddon, nothing more. ".

As the broadcast continued, Jake Tapper nodded calmly before staring blankly into the distance, trying to register that the world may or may not be on the brink of a thermonuclear war. "They look at these things 6 months out you know. Every 6 months they speculate!" said President Biden breaking the silence. "Just because they say in the next 6 months a couple million people MIGHT get nuked, everyone panics?

Biden continued, "Now look, even if a few nukes did start flying — and there's only a minuscule chance of this — this is not going to be some drawn-out thing. It will be over in a flash! A blink of the eye and it's all over! Come on, man!

At publishing time, Jake Taper tried to steer the question away from nuclear war to discuss the President's strong mental health. President Biden replied by stating that he doesn't think he has dementia, but if he does it's only a slight case. . .

[PVMonger]

Tiny, there is no point in arguing with the Dems on this point. , and I will tell you why. In 2008, I was sick of GW Bush's policies and hated McCain so I voted for Obama and was glad I did. I would vote the same way, but how do you follow my tax dollars? You cannot. So this entire red-blue issue is completely flawed. I will grant the Dems are good at using the same math as they use for climate change at justifying why they are better.

And they did the same with Covid. I do not how you get to a point that political party transcends age and individual health with a fucking virus but there was this incessant noise about how blue states were doing better with Covid than red ones. The funniest were Dems bragging about science and how smart they were with Covid while all their leaders came down with Covid including Fauci, Biden, and the CEO of Pfizer. Yeah, Trump got Covid but he was not saying Republicans were getting less Covid than Dems. And if he did, I would have thought he was an idiot for doing so.

Yeah, the market is now in bear territory and inflation is unabating and somehow it is not Biden's fault. Somehow even though he has been out of office for nearly 2 years, it is Trump's fault.

There are two ways that the Dems play the "math" game. Like I said, saying who pays more taxes, Republicans or Dems, is a completely futile exercise, but you know what they do with the climate change math? They project like ten different answers. And if you question that, then they ask, "Are you a scientist?.

in 2024, the economy is going to be in the dumps

Since you are so prescient, please let me know the winning numbers in the next Powerball drawing.

And what "policies" do Repubs have? National ban on abortions (fuck "states rights") with no exceptions for anything. No more condoms. Interracial marriage is OK as long as Repubs do it. Shoot all LGBTQ+ people on sight. Ditto with anybody who doesn't look white. Let's do away with Social Security. Let's do away with Medicare. Finish building Donnie the Dumbass' wall. Deport everybody who is in the US illegally, even if they've been here for 50 years. Revise the immigration system so that only northern Europeans immigrants are allowed.

[Spidy]

Nancy Pelosi, said she wanted to punch out, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, during the on Jan 6th, riots.

"If he comes, I'm going to punch him out...I'm going to jail and I'm going to be happy"

https://news.yahoo.com/alexandra-pel...223054031.html

Give the old gal credit, she's got moxie! My money is on Nancy!

[Xpartan]

Alex Jones ordered to pay $965 million for Sandy Hook lies

https://apnews.com/article/shootings...gn=position_01

And the hits, just keep on coming for the bombastic, vile, sadistic, lying, hate spewing right-wing "shock-jock" media host Alex Jones. Proving lies have consequences, albeit right-wing media hosts, oil & gas, big pharma or big tobacco.

He's already said they won't get any money. The real battle is starting today, it seems.

[EihTooms]

Do you watch Morning Joe? I do. Your link is nit picking, misleading and inflammatory. Most people would accept a lot of what Joe, Mika and Willie said as fact.

While Scarborough occasionally says he's a conservative, he swings to the left as or more often than the right these days. He has to. He doesn't have a stable of hot, horny young vixens like you do. And his wife, a Democrat by breeding and inclination, would cut him off if he sounded too Republican. He left the Republican Party some time ago.

MSNBC's viewership is left wing. They don't want to watch shows with Republicans. MSNBC wants high ratings, to sell commercials, so it complies. Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and Joy Reid sound just as nutty from time to time as Tucker Carlson on COVID or Sean Hannity on Hunter Biden. And the daytime crew at Fox, after 9:00 AM, is definitely more "fair and balanced" then their equivalents at MSNBC.

Scarborough has taken over the job of helping Repubs win elections at crunch time that used to fall on MSNBC's Chris Matthews.

The pattern is the senior host in their programming line up, generally a trusted, seemingly non partisan or, much better, a somewhat "Dem leaning" host during non election times when it doesn't much matter, begins to spout and repeat totally unsubstantiated favorite Repub talking points and dismissing the value of voting for Dems as the election approaches:

Chris Matthews: 2005's Misinformer of the Year

https://www.mediamatters.org/chris-m...sinformer-year

I watched Matthews doing it in real time just as I watched Scarborough doing it.

Check out the many fully documented (with links) examples in that link. Matthews was busier helping GW Bush win re-election in 2004 so his Office of Thrift Supervision in his Treasury Department could work its magic of not giving a shit about doing its job of monitoring and enforcing savings bank regulations and thereby invite and facilitate that particular Great Repub Crash, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction than the previous Misinformer of the Year Award winner, FUX News' Bill O'Reilly.

And more effectively than anyone on FUX News could precisely because he was supposedly a trusted "pro Dem" host campaigning for a Repub to an audience of mostly Dem voters when it mattered.

[Elvis 2008]

Something similar is happening with the red states and blue states on your list. I believe you've agreed that on average Republicans make more money and pay more taxes than Democrats. Therefore, it's almost certain Republicans get back less in monetary benefits from government. And that's what counts, right? Republicans, on average, pay more than their fair share.

Tiny, there is no point in arguing with the Dems on this point. , and I will tell you why. In 2008, I was sick of GW Bush's policies and hated McCain so I voted for Obama and was glad I did. I would vote the same way, but how do you follow my tax dollars? You cannot. So this entire red-blue issue is completely flawed. I will grant the Dems are good at using the same math as they use for climate change at justifying why they are better.

And they did the same with Covid. I do not how you get to a point that political party transcends age and individual health with a fucking virus but there was this incessant noise about how blue states were doing better with Covid than red ones. The funniest were Dems bragging about science and how smart they were with Covid while all their leaders came down with Covid including Fauci, Biden, and the CEO of Pfizer. Yeah, Trump got Covid but he was not saying Republicans were getting less Covid than Dems. And if he did, I would have thought he was an idiot for doing so.

Yeah, the market is now in bear territory and inflation is unabating and somehow it is not Biden's fault. Somehow even though he has been out of office for nearly 2 years, it is Trump's fault.

There are two ways that the Dems play the "math" game. Like I said, saying who pays more taxes, Republicans or Dems, is a completely futile exercise, but you know what they do with the climate change math? They project like ten different answers. And if you question that, then they ask, "Are you a scientist?

There was one Dem not Tooms who was long real estate using a REIT. I told him that going long real estate when the Fed was raising rates was a horrible idea, and he said I did not get his investment. I shook my head. Here we go again I thought, attack the man versus his argument. A few weeks ago the REIT index was at a 52 week low, but I think this asshole probably still thinks he was right, and I was just lucky in my projection. SMH.

You mentioned voting, and I think there is going to be a backlash in 2022 from the abortion issue but in 2024, the economy is going to be in the dumps (but unemployment will still not be that high) and we will be seeing numbers that last appeared in the Carter era. Besides abortion, what do they have? Peace? LOL. The economy? Tolerance for trans people? Republicans as racists? Censorship?

In 2022, I think Republicans will get the House but in 2024, there is going to be a Reaganesque type landslide. Because what you will see is what the Dems here try to do. Anything bad is Republican, and anything good is Democrat, and people see through that BS.

[Spidy]

The red state / blue state thing is a red herring.

According to this link from 2021, only 36% of people making over $200,000 per year supported Democrats, compared to 63% making less than $15,000 per year.

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-...ics-democrats/

And from this link, people making over $221,572 paid 59.4% of the income tax.

https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...come-tax-data/

Tie the two together. Republicans on average undoubtedly pay more to the federal government than they get out of it in benefits. As to Democrats, I'm not sure. But our system at the federal level is so wasteful and inefficient I suspect they get a bum deal too.

First, neither article has a direct correlation to whether Dems or Repubs incomes earners pay more taxes. Second use different numbers for their bottom earners. Third, my example below will take the same articles and make more or less the same type correlated "leap of faith" and present my results.

Article #1:

Economic Demographics of Democrats

Ultra-Wealthy

While Democrats lose support as income increases, there seems to be a tipping point where the ultra-wealthy begin leaning Democratic. The most famous example would be the entertainment industry, where star-studded events have become a significant part of Democratic culture.

But this phenomenon is not limited to Hollywood. A review of the 20 richest Americans, as listed by Forbes Magazine, found that 60 percent affiliate with the Democratic Party, including the top three individuals: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison. Among the riches families, the Democratic advantage rises even higher, to 75 percent.

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-...ics-democrats/

So note, this article ONLY breaks down, incomes under $15 K and over $200 K breakdown. What about those income earners (the middle class) that fall in between $15 K - $200 K? (Or income bands above $200 K). But then makes the generalization, that with every additional dollar earned, the individual is less likely to be a Democrat (inlay diagram). This is just utter nonsense, IMO.

Yet in the same article (as posted in quotes above) 60% of the top income earners are Democrats. Also note, there is NO correlation to taxes paid. NONE!

Article #2:

High-Income Taxpayers Paid the Majority of Federal Income Taxes

In 2019, the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers (taxpayers with AGI below $44,269) earned 11.5 percent of total AGI and paid 3.1 percent ($48.4 billion) of all federal individual income taxes.

The top 1 percent (taxpayers with AGI of $546,434 and above) earned 20.1 percent of total AGI in 2019 and paid 38.8 percent of all federal income taxes.

In 2019, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid $612 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90 percent paid $461 billion in income taxes.

https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...come-tax-data/

Note, the articles use different incomes levels as top and bottom and there is NO correlation to which political denominated pays more of these taxes. NONE!

Leap of faith:

However, if I were to make that very same leap of faith and cherry pick, as to which political party pays more taxes, from these two (2) articles you've presented, it would be the Democrats, but only by about 1%.

The Math:

So for Dems, that's (top earners, at) 60% of $612 B is $367.20 B and Dems (bottom earners, at) 38% of $461 B is $175.18 B. Which equals $542.38 of the total $1073 B paid by Dems and leaves $530.62 paid by Repubs. The difference is roughly $12 B (or 1% more), that Dems are paying more than Repubs.

Perhaps a more accurate depiction (since 1% is negligible), would be to say taxes are being paid equally, from your two (2) articles.

Additional Info for Repubs:

Economic Demographics of Republicans

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-...s-republicans/