American Politics

[PVMonger]

I told you that you had to have threats of the documents being destroyed to justify a warrant. Documents were moved around? Big fucking deal. A warrant is a massive and unjustified overreaction to that.

LOL. The FBI stepped on its dick again. Taking photos of classified information (as the FBI just did) is illegal. As Trump said, it is good thing he declassified them or whomever took that photo belongs in jail.

You are the moron because you still do not get it. Did anyone dispute there were documents marked as classified? No one I know did, so what is the point of showing the photo? Here is a hint. The FBI is getting desperate.

Why did the FBI and DOJ react like this? Because Trump wanted a "special master" to look at the documents. A "special master" is a an objective third party like a former judge who will review the documents and the FBI and DOJ are vehemently opposed to an independent third party looking at them. Gee, I wonder why.

Your Yahoo article was practically written by the FBI, and this is so stupid I cannot believe you buy it. "Even if Trump did, in fact, declassify all of the documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago, it might not make a difference. Legal experts have pointed out that none of the criminal provisions listed in the FBI's search warrant as the basis of their investigation have anything to do with whether or not the materials in question were classified. ".

So they possibly illegally take a photo of classified information and now say that documents being classified does not matter? LOL. That is the brilliant FBI for you.

Are you really that dumb? How many times has Trump gone to war with the FBI, and you dumb Dems have taken the FBI's side and lost? Trump said the FBI spied on him during his campaign. You dumb Dems say there was no way that happen. Yeah, it was true. He fires Comey for fucking with his administration. You guys declare that an outrage then Comey admits he was doing just that. Hell, Comey even leaked a document (funny like Hiliary he was not prosecuted either. Gee why was that?

This latest outrage was because the FBI does not want anyone seeing those documents. Obviously, you missed that part. And hell yeah, if the documents have been declassified and belong to us, I sure as hell want to see them and what all this fuss is about. Now the content of the documents will be known to someone else.

You must be in favor of the National Archives and FBI keeping documents where the FBI fucked up from public eyes. Yeah, you government loving Democratic morons think our government never fucks up. That is why having amnesia in part of being a Dem.

And the two latest Garland initiatives. We are going to wait until after the mid terms to decide on criminal activity. HA HA HA HA HA HA! Yeah, this was not a political move but we are waiting until after the midterm elections before doing anything. Remember Garland is not on SCOTUS due to Trump, no conflict there.

And the other is FBI agents can no longer go to political functions. This is so Garland. We want to try to not appear to be political even though everyone knows we are.

I told you the purpose of this was never to prosecute Trump but get the documents because they make the FBI look like shit and now someone is going to get to see what they are. You are just so stupidly anti-Trump you do not see it.

What you do not get is that federal law is so broad that you can nail anyone for anything, and that is why it is super important to have an objective and consistent law enforcement which we do not have.

You are so stupid you probably buy the line that DOJ is looking into Hunter Biden and waiting to make its case. What a crock. Hunter incriminates himself on his own fucking laptop. There is no "making the case". Just like sitting on the Trump case for political purposes, the DOJ is doing the same damned thing with Hunter.

The BS flowing from you gets deeper and deeper by the minute. There is, literally, nothing in this rant that is even remotely true. Hell, there isn't anything here that Qanon would consider true.

You seem to imply that you have a JD because you try to make all sorts of legal arguments. Where did you get the JD anyway? TRUMP University?

Photos? Yeah, the FBI and the DOJ don't know the law but you do? Serouusly? That's what you want us to believe? There was no photo of classified information. There was a photo of cover sheets. Only an idiot or a moron would look at the photo and say that it was of classified information. Oh, wait. Donnie the Dumbass said that.

Donnie the Dumbass' team of minimum-wage legal idiots never mentioned "the warrant" in their filing on August 31. Not once. Evidently, these geniuses didn't think the warrant was a big deal. But you, with your tRUMP you JD or LLM or SJD or MLS or MDR degree are soooooo much smarter than them. So I don't know who is dumber. Maybe you ought to lend your legal expertise to Donnie's team of idiots.

FYI, Donnie the Dumbass admitted that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ublican-voters.

Speaking of a "special master", didn't Donnie the Dumbass say that he declassified all of the documents? Didn't you say that too? And since Donnie the Dumbass said that, why did his team of "we'll work for free because we know he'll stiff us" crackpot legal geniuses specify in their filing yesterday that the "special master" needed to have the appropriate high security clearance? One needs no security clearance to view unclassified documents. Oops.

See, one of the many things that you don't understand is that lawyers who lie in court are subject to severe penalties. That's why none of the 60+ election lawsuits filed by Donnie the Dumbass' lawyers alleged election fraud. That's why Donnie the Dumbass' lawyers didn't say that the documents were declassified. Because you need to show proof to the judge when you file that type of paperwork with the court. Donnie the Dumbass' lawyers couldn't provide election fraud proof and they can't provide declassification proof. They may be working for minimum wage but they aren't stupid. (Well, they are but they work cheap) What good is your supposed law degree if you can't even understand a basic legal ethics question such as that? Something that's taught in the first week of law school. (My brother is a lawyer and he said that that subject is covered very early in law school).

So, the documents in question have not been declassified. Even members of Donnie the Dumbass' own so-called administration have said that his blanket declassification order was "bullshit". Since the documents haven't been declassified, nobody can see them unless they have the appropriate security clearance. Donnie's own lawyers even said that the documents haven't been declassified (see above).

And, besides, the documents do not belong to Donnie the Dumbass. How many times does somebody need to say this before you get it through your thick skull. That is the question here. And the overriding one at that. The rest of of your arguments are, as usual, a smokescreen.

Donnie the Dumbass was illegally in possession of classified documents. He, himself, signed into law a bill increasing the penalty for such an act to a felony and five (5) years in prison. He was so stupid that he thought that he'd be able to pin that charge on HRC. Too bad the bill didn't specify 5 years for every document. You probably can't do the math but, at last count, Donnie the Dumbass had illegal possession of more than 230 classified documents after January 20th, 2020.5 * 230 = 1,150 years in prison. Somehow, I don't think he'd come out of that sentence alive. Lucky for him that he didn't sign a bill that sasid that anybody in possession of classified documents should be shot. Remember, he said that about Assange and Snowden. And Donnie the Dumbass is guilty of the same crime that he wanted them shot for. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-likely-...210237403.html.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Thats because I am not a "wacko left dem douche". I am a Marxist terrorist. Haha. Kiddin. I am an anarchist, not a communist. I beleive in transnationalism. If you want some homework, you should look into it. You might find its not so "nuts" after all. - Imagine, if you will, the USA as a template for the world. Anyone can go and live or work anywhere they like. Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world.

Absolutely correct. The trouble is, both sides of the political spectrum in the USA are equally guilty of that. Neither side is capable of accepting that their own party represents the wealthy only. Both sides instead stick to the tried and tested method of ignoring their own mistakes and hurling custard pies at the opposition.

Don't you see where that appraoch gets you? I will tell you where. Right here, in this mess that the USA has landed. This is the result of decades of passing the baton between one group of corrupt wealthy benefactors to another. And supporters of both sides just continue to blame the other. Well, I guess you get what you deserve.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day JK LOL.

This is why I hate both parties equally!!

This is why we need Our Supreme Leader Donald J Trump for life!!

He is the only one that can save humanity!!

Don't you see where that appraoch gets you? I will tell you where. Right here, in this mess that the USA has landed. This is the result of decades of passing the baton between one group of corrupt wealthy benefactors to another. And supporters of both sides just continue to blame the other. Well, I guess you get what you deserve.

[JustTK]

You're a better poster than the standard wacko left dem douches because you don't deny the reality of the terrible problems caused by the nefarious Washington swamp. Unfortunately, your solutions are ridiculous communist bullshit which wouldn't fix anything. But halfway is better than nothing. You aren't a completely lost cause.

Thats because I am not a "wacko left dem douche". I am a Marxist terrorist. Haha. Kiddin. I am an anarchist, not a communist. I beleive in transnationalism. If you want some homework, you should look into it. You might find its not so "nuts" after all. - Imagine, if you will, the USA as a template for the world. Anyone can go and live or work anywhere they like. Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world.

Yanukovich was the legitimately elected president. He was not removed via constitutional means but via a violent mob.
... the cognitive dissonance of the fake news-brainwashed wacko left dem douches: you claim Jan 6, in which some unarmed people walked peacefully through open doors, waved in by cops, took some selfies and left, to be an "insurrection" and "attempted coup. The hypocrisy, mendacity and lack of any connection to reality ... is something to behold.

Absolutely correct. The trouble is, both sides of the political spectrum in the USA are equally guilty of that. Neither side is capable of accepting that their own party represents the wealthy only. Both sides instead stick to the tried and tested method of ignoring their own mistakes and hurling custard pies at the opposition.

Don't you see where that appraoch gets you? I will tell you where. Right here, in this mess that the USA has landed. This is the result of decades of passing the baton between one group of corrupt wealthy benefactors to another. And supporters of both sides just continue to blame the other. Well, I guess you get what you deserve.

[ScatManDoo]

The most telling thing about the wingnuts is that they never ever ever (and did I mention ever?) even tried to explain why Trump needed all these top-secret documents in the first place.

TrumpShit jerks off to them.

If TrumpShit would just admit he soaked most pages with his jizz, the FBI would gladly return them immediately.

Imaging you were the FBI agent assigned to pull fingerprints off those Top Secret documents to see who's fingers flipped through the pages?

[MarquisdeSade1]

LOL. Imagine actually unironically doing the "diversity is our strength" schtick in 2022. See my previous post for how diversity is destroying the US military. And imagine mentioning Afghanistan when trying to hype up the US military. Yes, the same Afghanistan that just inflicted the most humiliating defeat and retreat in the history of said military.

Again, an ignorant Western fake news-washed take. The Kiev (not "Kyiv") fake attack was a short-term feint to tie down huge numbers of Ukrainian troops while Russia and the DPR and LPR forces carried out important maneouvres in the east. The tiny number of troops deployed by Russia show that they never intended to capture the city. They don't want Kiev; they want the Russian-speaking areas in the south and east.

ROFL. One single goofy doofus on fake news CNN. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a crisis actor.

What? First you say Russia is mobilizing, then you say they aren't mobilizing because they haven't declared war. Get your story straight, doofus.

The reality is that Russia has gone in soft, with an undermanned force, and a very limited bombing campaign. They could have turned the whole of Ukraine to rubble as the US did in Iraq, but they haven't.

Amnesty International just released a report stating that Ukrainian troops are hiding behind human shields. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/.

"Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals.

Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets.

"We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said Agns Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General. ".

I'll accept your grovelling apology tomorrow.

The rest of your fake news rubbish is barely worth looking at. Europe is having an energy crisis so bad that German ministers are telling people to wipe themselves with a damp towel instead of taking a shower. Energy prices have skyrocketed and people will die of cold this winter as they cannot afford both eating and heating.

And your 80 k Russian deaths figure is laughably absurd. There are hardly that many Russian troops there. They are winning all the same.

As for our enemy, the real enemy of the heritage American people is the Washington swamp. Putin didn't open our borders or cut our kids' dicks off. (Protip: whenever there's a conflict, the side with child trannies are the bad guys).

You mess with what is in the best interest of the people and they will throw you off a balcony.

The oligarchs / CEOs don't control politicians in Russia like they do in Europe and the USA.

https://www.aol.com/news/russian-oil...133254073.html

https://stormer-daily.rw/american-go...inally-croaks/

[Elvis 2008]

The most telling thing about the wingnuts is that they never ever ever (and did I mention ever?) even tried to explain why Trump needed all these top-secret documents in the first place.

Because they are embarrassing to the FBI, and Trump thought the FBI would destroy them. Duh.

There is only one reasonable explanation: his relationship with Vlad the Impaler ain't over. That would explain why he felt the risk of exposure and even criminal prosecution would be worth keeping his boss happy.

Yeah, with you that is the only possible explanation, Russiagate was true, the pee tape was real, and Victoria Nuland did not say "Yats is our guy" and "Fuck the EU" of the 2014 coup.

I am just curious Xpartan. Was the pee story and pee tape real?

You know that pee tape is what could have been top secret. That is what Trump kept in his safe.

[Elvis 2008]

The FBI pulled over 300 classified documents out of the criminal headquarters at Mar-a-Lago.

And you think that is important? Well, if this goes to trial, Trump is going to say he declassified these documents, SCOTUS will say it too and then everyone is going to read this stuff and see how stupid this designation is. After all the shit the FBI has pulled, you are so stupid that you think the FBI and government is perfect. Glenn Greenwald who got all of the national security documents that Snowden pulled said national security really is national security 10% of the time and is political security 90% of the time.

Rather Elvira's

Elvira? LOL. I do not even know how to respond. The government is doing everything I said to do now which is focus on sick people and leave mostly healthy people alone. The government has stopped paying for testing, tossing $100 billions worth of expired vaccines and sadly is not paying for monoclonal antibodies, and the death rate for the vaccinated is higher than the unvaccinated.

Like with masks, Fauci contradicted himself and is saying he was always against lockdowns. Even the CDC has admitted their response was screwed up. Outside of a prediction based upon the earliest strain of the virus two years ago using modeling, which I took back once the virus mutated, no one has been more right about Covid that me.

What is funny with dumb Dems like you is that you have not kept up. Elvira? LOL. Your heroes, Biden, Fauci, and the Pfizer CEO, got immunized and boosted x 4 and all got Covid, and you dummies are still arguing for the benefits of the vaccine. How dumb are you people?

TrumpShit's is a criminal, and he's going to jail.

LOL. For what? Keeping documents showing the FBI is corrupt? You still do not get why the FBI used a warrant and not a subpoena.

[Canada]

California residents are reacting to mixed messages from California leadership, as the state is asking residents to refrain from charging electric vehicles amid heat wave blackout fears, just one week after passing legislation banning the sale of gas cars by 2035.

The California Independent System Operator has warned that stress on the energy grid could lead to blackouts and called for consumer conservation between 4 pm And 9 pm.

Wednesday's announcement comes less than one week after California regulators moved to require all new vehicles in the state to run on electricity by 2035, an ambitious goal by the country's most populous state to phase out gasoline-powered automobiles and curb carbon emissions.

Yes California is telling residents to stop charging their electric cars during the heat wave. It will really be a green state when has cars are gone and electric cars can't charge their batteries.

[Travv]

Here you go. The top secret documents the FBI desperately wanted from the Trump house along with the affidavit showing justification for the action! LOL.

I told you that you had to have threats of the documents being destroyed to justify a warrant. Documents were moved around? Big fucking deal. A warrant is a massive and unjustified overreaction to that.

LOL. The FBI stepped on its dick again. Taking photos of classified information (as the FBI just did) is illegal. As Trump said, it is good thing he declassified them or whomever took that photo belongs in jail.

You are the moron because you still do not get it. Did anyone dispute there were documents marked as classified? No one I know did, so what is the point of showing the photo? Here is a hint. The FBI is getting desperate.

Why did the FBI and DOJ react like this? Because Trump wanted a "special master" to look at the documents. A "special master" is a an objective third party like a former judge who will review the documents and the FBI and DOJ are vehemently opposed to an independent third party looking at them. Gee, I wonder why.

Your Yahoo article was practically written by the FBI, and this is so stupid I cannot believe you buy it. "Even if Trump did, in fact, declassify all of the documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago, it might not make a difference. Legal experts have pointed out that none of the criminal provisions listed in the FBI's search warrant as the basis of their investigation have anything to do with whether or not the materials in question were classified. ".

So they possibly illegally take a photo of classified information and now say that documents being classified does not matter? LOL. That is the brilliant FBI for you.

Are you really that dumb? How many times has Trump gone to war with the FBI, and you dumb Dems have taken the FBI's side and lost? Trump said the FBI spied on him during his campaign. You dumb Dems say there was no way that happen. Yeah, it was true. He fires Comey for fucking with his administration. You guys declare that an outrage then Comey admits he was doing just that. Hell, Comey even leaked a document (funny like Hiliary he was not prosecuted either. Gee why was that?

This latest outrage was because the FBI does not want anyone seeing those documents. Obviously, you missed that part. And hell yeah, if the documents have been declassified and belong to us, I sure as hell want to see them and what all this fuss is about. Now the content of the documents will be known to someone else.

You must be in favor of the National Archives and FBI keeping documents where the FBI fucked up from public eyes. Yeah, you government loving Democratic morons think our government never fucks up. That is why having amnesia in part of being a Dem.

And the two latest Garland initiatives. We are going to wait until after the mid terms to decide on criminal activity. HA HA HA HA HA HA! Yeah, this was not a political move but we are waiting until after the midterm elections before doing anything. Remember Garland is not on SCOTUS due to Trump, no conflict there.

And the other is FBI agents can no longer go to political functions. This is so Garland. We want to try to not appear to be political even though everyone knows we are.

I told you the purpose of this was never to prosecute Trump but get the documents because they make the FBI look like shit and now someone is going to get to see what they are. You are just so stupidly anti-Trump you do not see it.

What you do not get is that federal law is so broad that you can nail anyone for anything, and that is why it is super important to have an objective and consistent law enforcement which we do not have.

You are so stupid you probably buy the line that DOJ is looking into Hunter Biden and waiting to make its case. What a crock. Hunter incriminates himself on his own fucking laptop. There is no "making the case". Just like sitting on the Trump case for political purposes, the DOJ is doing the same damned thing with Hunter.

[GDreams]

Practically everyone in the world agrees it was a coup. Only some NATO members and other interested parties do not. If you read the mainstream media, you consume the propaganda from the NATO countries, so your propagandized.

"Fleeing arrest is not a coup" - what nonsense! That is one of the mostly likely outcomes of a coup. Either the sitting president is arrested and thrown in jail (occassionally executed), or he flees.

No not even close to everyone in the world thinks it was as coup. By your definition Richard Nixons removal from office was a coup, Boris Johnson was a coup? I guess Sth Korea has had several coups. Well by your definition not by the standards normal people work by. Coups are the taking of power by unelected people. Ukrainians had the Rada install a president followed by an election. The position and title was not seized as in a coup.

[EihTooms]

Both spot on.

But, don't you know, Jan 6th's coup, was just a test run and the QAnon Quackery, aims to get it right in 2024, now that they "think", they know what a "real" coup should look like.

The House Repubs voted unanimously to Defund the State and Local Police, then tried to pull the wool over our eyes by claiming, "Oh, no. We were just voting against all those other things in the legislation that Americans want their tax money to provide."

Until they got caught now demanding to Defund the Nation's Top Cops, the FBI, as a stand alone Repub wish!

In the interim, there they were organizing, inciting, cheering, saluting then defending and praising their violent mob of cop-attacking, maiming and killing traitors against American democracy.

But that wasn't enough cop-attacking, maiming and killing for Repubs. So, naturally, they decided to officially label murderous violence against the Police as 'Legitimate Political Discourse' in a sick and twisted ploy to encourage and invite every American to attack, maim and kill cops as though it was their patriotic duty to do so!

Ultimately, they can no longer claim to be the 'Law and Order' Party with a shred of truth to it since that pattern has been chiseled in the granite of history. Nor can they claim to be 'Tough on Crime' when their all-time most beloved lord and savior Repub Party Leader is himself a criminal.

Must-See TV:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnvNxx_JgvU

Tough on Crime

[Xpartan]

Wrong wrong wrong Fat Elvis. The FBI pulled over 300 classified documents out of the criminal headquarters at Mar-a-Lago.

Double Agent TrumpShit had Top Secret Files in his desk.

The most telling thing about the wingnuts is that they never ever ever (and did I mention ever?) even tried to explain why Trump needed all these top-secret documents in the first place.

Forget even the security issues for a moment.

Why?

No seriously, wingnuts -- why?

Why did the man who's been so cozy with Putler that he went to talk to him without an interpreter, who has called him a genius for invading a country and killing tens of thousands civilians -- why did he keep classified documents in his fancy timeshare resort?

What other USA Presidents have done anything like that?

There is only one reasonable explanation: his relationship with Vlad the Impaler ain't over. That would explain why he felt the risk of exposure and even criminal prosecution would be worth keeping his boss happy.

[Spidy]

No it wasn't a coup. Yanukovich illegally ordered the murder of civilian protesters. Fleeing arrest is not a coup. I was an outsider I had no stake in the process. You and a couple of the right wing loons here would be the only people to consider that a coup.

Wingnuts would probably call what happened in Romania to Ceaucescu a coup as well. The only thing they don't see as a "coup" is what happened in January 6th, 2020. How they believe that a bunch of Democrats dressed up like dumper morons to protest an election that they won is beyond me. But, then again, most of what wingers believe is beyond me.

But there's always this https://www.thebulwark.com/what-real...nd-since-then/.

Both spot on.

But, don't you know, Jan 6th's coup, was just a test run and the QAnon Quackery, aims to get it right in 2024, now that they "think", they know what a "real" coup should look like.

[Spidy]

Scouring through my old posts now? ...

What, with all of 30 seconds, to search and read nothing. I can't say I was surprised to find a "big fat nothing", coming from someone who regularly posts "much ado about nothing".

So it's not hard to see why the Pattaya thread is so "calming" to you, as it isn't cluttered with your standard QAnon rubbish or your typical "Trumperfied shithole" cites and countries, drivel.

[ScatManDoo]

LOL. That means nothing. You need to go back and educated yourself as to why the founding fathers outlawed general warrants.

The DOJ's own rules say they are supposed to use the least aggressive means possible to seize things. So whatever the affidavits said, they had better say that Trump threatened to destroy or move the documents. If they do not, you Dems are fucked and of course they do not and that is why the affidavits were redacted.

Wrong wrong wrong Fat Elvis. The FBI pulled over 300 classified documents out of the criminal headquarters at Mar-a-Lago.

Double Agent TrumpShit had Top Secret Files in his desk.

Double Agent TrumpShit had Top Secret files in a box in his bedroom. In the TrumpShit safe too.

Double Agent TrumpShit even had torn-up TS reading materials by his personal toilet, waiting for the next flushes.

The Dems are not fucked. Rather Elvira's argument is fucked over 300 ways, along with TrumpShit.

You also do not know that the government has a legal advisory panel so if the issue is getting classified documents from Trump, you should let the panel research this and come up with the best and most legal way it can be done.

The FBI's legal search warrant seems adequate for now. Your panties getting all bunched up about it is just a bonus.

The funny part is that the liberal press is calling for an indictment. They are even saying that the Republicans have been quiet on the issue. I told you much smarter and objective sources who do not even like Trump have asked the question, "Is this it?" after they saw the affidavit.

Who cares about an op-ed piece by a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch?

Unlike you, I know this is not going anywhere.

Unlike blind, fat Elvis, I know the indictment of TrumpShit is coming soon. Maybe not soon enough for me to win my bet on Predictit that Shit gets indicted by September 1st, but soon in time anyways.

Double Agent TrumpShit will no longer keep selling our secrets to foreigners.

TrumpShit's is a criminal, and he's going to jail.