American Politics

[Gino02]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ats/ar-AAYb1VS

A former congressman from Philadelphia has pleaded guilty to charges related to fraudulently stuffing ballot boxes for Democratic candidates between 2014 and 2018. Federal prosecutors said former Democratic USA Rep. Ozzie Myers pleaded guilty Monday to violations of election law, conspiracy, bribery and obstruction.

Still waiting for opinions on this news from our Democrat experts here, but so far crickets! Can someone please help us naive Republicans on what to learn from this guilty plea on ballot stuffing? Thanks in advance.

[MarquisdeSade1]

You haven't read anything tying economic boom times with Dem administrations (captains on a ship) and economic plunges with Repub administrations over the past 100 years?

Then I recommend you RTFF where I and others have posted links for the timelines for economic trends as related to the POTUS dozens of times or just do a few simple Google Searches yourself on topics like Jobs Created By Presidential Term, History of USA Depressions and Recessions, Bureau of Labor Statistics for its Unemployment Rate By Month Table, etc.

Let me know if a pattern doesn't jump out at you within the first minute of reading any of it. Assuming you also know the timelines for when Dems took over as captain vs when Repubs took over as captain, that is.

And, bear in mind, the word "all" is a word you used here in order to establish an easy "win" for the crap results side, "Bothsiderism". My contention is about the major ups and downs over the past 100 tears, not every piddling momentary sell off or set back.

For example, we just had a quarter of 1.5% negative growth. If the next quarter is negative by 1-3% then it could possibly be considered a recession. Although it is debatable whether or not the official arbiter of such things, National Bureau of Economic Research, would call it one because those two consecutive quarters of economic contraction are so minor, occurred in the midst of ongoing significant jobs creation and wage growth and they barely caused a blip uptick in the unemployment rate.

That would put them in the category of mini recessions like the one we had under Truman and the one we had under Carter.

That would be nothing like Hoover's Great Depression "stewardship", the 3 recessions we had under Captain Eisenhower, the Great Recession under Captain Reagan, the long Recession under Captain Bush1, the next Great Recession under Captain Bush2 or the huge one under Captain Trump.

In those major economic downturns the contractions, jobs losses and / or unemployment rate increases were significant, often historically so.

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/09...-the-day-3229/

[PVMonger]

It's you that demonstrates you lack of clarity in every post. You are really blindered by your huge bias. Show me even one example of me praising Trump. Your world view is clear. If you do not criticize everything Trump does, then your a Trump-loving duck.

And on masks. You have mentioned this many times, as if it were conclusive that they do work. All 10 RCTs that have ever been done on wearing masks to protect against airborn transmission, all failed to demonstrate any conclusive benefit of wearing masks. You are truly a lost cause, and one the reasons that the clock is reaching 12 noon armageddon time.

I'll show you examples of you praising the Orange Buffoon when you show examples of the RCTs that prove unequivocably that masks don't help stop the spread of COVID. "A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health. " https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069.

[EihTooms]

If that were the case, or indeed if I felt believed that were the case, then no doubt I would be right there with you. I haven't studied any attempt made and tying all economic highs w Dems and all lows w Reps (maybe you can link smthg on that? But I have studied international politics and economics for a long time. What I do know, as you already allude to, is that any policy decision or significant event takes a long time to show in economic consequences. And many factors are often at play, either working together or against each other.

The most significant factors that shape these outcomes are geograpical and geological, as well as the development / evolution of human society. Any politcial leader / party is like a captain on a ship, riding across a huge ocean. He cannot control the ocean, all he can do is try to attend to the needs of the passengers as the ship rides over the huge swells.

You haven't read anything tying economic boom times with Dem administrations (captains on a ship) and economic plunges with Repub administrations over the past 100 years?

Then I recommend you RTFF where I and others have posted links for the timelines for economic trends as related to the POTUS dozens of times or just do a few simple Google Searches yourself on topics like Jobs Created By Presidential Term, History of USA Depressions and Recessions, Bureau of Labor Statistics for its Unemployment Rate By Month Table, etc.

Let me know if a pattern doesn't jump out at you within the first minute of reading any of it. Assuming you also know the timelines for when Dems took over as captain vs when Repubs took over as captain, that is.

And, bear in mind, the word "all" is a word you used here in order to establish an easy "win" for the crap results side, "Bothsiderism". My contention is about the major ups and downs over the past 100 tears, not every piddling momentary sell off or set back.

For example, we just had a quarter of 1.5% negative growth. If the next quarter is negative by 1-3% then it could possibly be considered a recession. Although it is debatable whether or not the official arbiter of such things, National Bureau of Economic Research, would call it one because those two consecutive quarters of economic contraction are so minor, occurred in the midst of ongoing significant jobs creation and wage growth and they barely caused a blip uptick in the unemployment rate.

That would put them in the category of mini recessions like the one we had under Truman and the one we had under Carter.

That would be nothing like Hoover's Great Depression "stewardship", the 3 recessions we had under Captain Eisenhower, the Great Recession under Captain Reagan, the long Recession under Captain Bush1, the next Great Recession under Captain Bush2 or the huge one under Captain Trump.

In those major economic downturns the contractions, jobs losses and / or unemployment rate increases were significant, often historically so.

[EihTooms]

Agreed. Its a waste of time to chat to people that cannot exchange opinions without hurling insults if you don't agree with them. So many of these here. Hmmmh, I wonder what they have in common? Hehe.

So you just agreed with somebody who hurled an insult at those who disagree with him (as do the facts) and you are apparently just fine with his post that appears not to contain one single provably true sentence or phrase in it. LOL.

Perfect.

[JustTK]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.
everything you post praises the Orange Buffoon...wear masks..
For someone who doesn't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino to say someone else lacks critical thinking skills is laughable.

It's you that demonstrates you lack of clarity in every post. You are really blindered by your huge bias. Show me even one example of me praising Trump. Your world view is clear. If you do not criticize everything Trump does, then your a Trump-loving duck.

And on masks. You have mentioned this many times, as if it were conclusive that they do work. All 10 RCTs that have ever been done on wearing masks to protect against airborn transmission, all failed to demonstrate any conclusive benefit of wearing masks. You are truly a lost cause, and one the reasons that the clock is reaching 12 noon armageddon time.

[JustTK]

JustTK, no point in arguing with the dumb Dems .

Agreed. Its a waste of time to chat to people that cannot exchange opinions without hurling insults if you don't agree with them. So many of these here. Hmmmh, I wonder what they have in common? Hehe.

[JustTK]

Sorry, but the accurate and easily accessible data proving historic jobs creation, wage growth, housing value gains, stock market gains etc and no Great Depressions or Great Recessions for the past 100 years from Dem economic stewardship and legislation vs historic jobs destruction by the millions upon millions, major housing value crashes, major stock market crashes, etc from Repub stewardship and legislation.
It actually happened that way.

If that were the case, or indeed if I felt believed that were the case, then no doubt I would be right there with you. I haven't studied any attempt made and tying all economic highs w Dems and all lows w Reps (maybe you can link smthg on that? But I have studied international politics and economics for a long time. What I do know, as you already allude to, is that any policy decision or significant event takes a long time to show in economic consequences. And many factors are often at play, either working together or against each other.

The most significant factors that shape these outcomes are geograpical and geological, as well as the development / evolution of human society. Any politcial leader / party is like a captain on a ship, riding across a huge ocean. He cannot control the ocean, all he can do is try to attend to the needs of the passengers as the ship rides over the huge swells.

[EihTooms]

Take this post.

In 2020, the Dems won, and it is the fairest election in history and this dumb Dem comes out and says questioning the vote plays into Putin's hands. Eih reminds me of a populace right out of 1984 in that he forgets that 4 years earlier the dumb Dems spent $40 million and tried to impeach a duly elected leader over the fraudulent accusation that Putin handed Trump the election.

So with the dumb Dems, when a Republican wins, there was cheating. When a Democrat wins, the election is totally fair. Thing is it is a fact that Hiliary Clinton tried to rig an election with Russiagate and the Dems tried to kick Trump out with that fraudulent claim. Instead of hanging their heads in shame at this attack on Democracy, the dumb Dems revel in it calling Trump twice impeached.

And then you have Covid.

Biden ran on the line that he would stop the virus not the country and of course despite polling well on this issue, he completely failed when you look at case numbers and deaths. Still, that does not stop the dumb Dems from holding Biden accountable for his promise.

And here we go again. The problem with the virus spreading was the fault of Republicans. As you have pointed out, the vaccine made little difference in infection rates, and I am not sure it did much with regards to death either. The whole concept that government is going to defeat a virus is just absurd to me. Time and again, countries that were success stories with Covid later were smacked around by it. PV's stupid notion that masks work has been thoroughly debunked scientifically but it has not been politically. He even made up that a woman who stuffed a ballot box while wearing gloves and then threw out said gloves did so because of Covid even though gloves do nothing with Covid and no one was around. The only logical explanation is she did not want her finger prints on the ballots, but logic and PVmonger do not go together.

1. "play into Putin's hands"? LOL. No, that isn't even close to what I meant or what is in the very quote of mine you apparently thought supported your weird misunderstanding of it.

2. Trump was Impeached. Twice. Nobody merely "tried" to Impeach him. They did Impeach him. Twice.

3. Neither of the two times was Trump duly and truly Impeached for the reason you stated.

4. Uh. Oh, forget it. Suffice to say there is scarcely a phrase or sentence in the rest of your post that is provably true.

[MarquisdeSade1]

You know what they say about ducks, right? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

You are the duck. You claim to not be a Republican, yet everything you post praises the Orange Buffoon. Take the COVID issue. You believe that President Biden failed because he couldn't get ignorant Republicans to get vaccinated, wear masks or do anything to protect others. His only failure was thinking that he could get them to do that. He should have realized that they were so far down the rabbit hole that nothing anybody could have done or could have said would have made a difference.

For someone who doesn't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino to say someone else lacks critical thinking skills is laughable.

https://www.unz.com/aanglin/the-stat...ed-to-chaotic/

[MarquisdeSade1]

Sorry, but the accurate and easily accessible data proving historic jobs creation, wage growth, housing value gains, stock market gains etc and no Great Depressions or Great Recessions for the past 100 years from Dem economic stewardship and legislation vs historic jobs destruction by the millions upon millions, major housing value crashes, major stock market crashes, etc from Repub stewardship and legislation is no a kool-aid induced hallucination.

It actually happened that way. And there is zero evidence that Repubs aren't champing at the bit to get in there and produce more and greater crap results far into the future.

And I'm sure you'll be happy to know they will do it with your help. But they sure as fuck won't do it with my help.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/o...s-america.html

[Elvis 2008]

Take this post.

The idea that your vote for either side does not matter, everything is corrupt, the system is not on your side, our democracy is a joke, everything is rigged, etc is right out of the playbook of Putin, Trump and every other wannabe authoritarian dictator that hates democracy.

In 2020, the Dems won, and it is the fairest election in history and this dumb Dem comes out and says questioning the vote plays into Putin's hands. Eih reminds me of a populace right out of 1984 in that he forgets that 4 years earlier the dumb Dems spent $40 million and tried to impeach a duly elected leader over the fraudulent accusation that Putin handed Trump the election.

So with the dumb Dems, when a Republican wins, there was cheating. When a Democrat wins, the election is totally fair. Thing is it is a fact that Hiliary Clinton tried to rig an election with Russiagate and the Dems tried to kick Trump out with that fraudulent claim. Instead of hanging their heads in shame at this attack on Democracy, the dumb Dems revel in it calling Trump twice impeached.

And then you have Covid.

Biden ran on the line that he would stop the virus not the country and of course despite polling well on this issue, he completely failed when you look at case numbers and deaths. Still, that does not stop the dumb Dems from holding Biden accountable for his promise.

Take the COVID issue. You believe that President Biden failed because he couldn't get ignorant Republicans to get vaccinated, wear masks or do anything to protect others. His only failure was thinking that he could get them to do that. He should have realized that they were so far down the rabbit hole that nothing anybody could have done or could have said would have made a difference.

For someone who doesn't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino to say someone else lacks critical thinking skills is laughable.

And here we go again. The problem with the virus spreading was the fault of Republicans. As you have pointed out, the vaccine made little difference in infection rates, and I am not sure it did much with regards to death either. The whole concept that government is going to defeat a virus is just absurd to me. Time and again, countries that were success stories with Covid later were smacked around by it. PV's stupid notion that masks work has been thoroughly debunked scientifically but it has not been politically. He even made up that a woman who stuffed a ballot box while wearing gloves and then threw out said gloves did so because of Covid even though gloves do nothing with Covid and no one was around. The only logical explanation is she did not want her finger prints on the ballots, but logic and PVmonger do not go together.

[PVMonger]

And so you continue with your ignorant comments. The lack of critical thinking ability in the avergae USAn is not a result of Trump. It is a reult of decades of educational neglect thru multitudes of Dem and Rep leadership. The fact that you are so myopic as to see every issue as Us v Them, is a result of your own conditioning and lack of critical thinking ability.

It's you that can not see the connections bcos you can only see things thru your own indoctrinated prism. You can't even see that I am not a Rep. Bcos you can only see 2 buckets in which to throw everyone. Dem or Rep. No other view exists in your world. Haha.

You know what they say about ducks, right? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

You are the duck. You claim to not be a Republican, yet everything you post praises the Orange Buffoon. Take the COVID issue. You believe that President Biden failed because he couldn't get ignorant Republicans to get vaccinated, wear masks or do anything to protect others. His only failure was thinking that he could get them to do that. He should have realized that they were so far down the rabbit hole that nothing anybody could have done or could have said would have made a difference.

For someone who doesn't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino to say someone else lacks critical thinking skills is laughable.

[EihTooms]

I understand where you are coming from. I used to think that a vote for Dem is better than a vote for Rep bcos its the lesser of 2 evils. But it's not. I see them both as 2 sides of the same bad and dirty coin. Both represent the establishment. You have drunk the Dem Koolaid and swallowed it and believe their maifesto. I don't believe them. They want the status quo and to enrich themselves as much as the Reps. Just look at the endless wars they fund with your money! In some ways they are worse, in that they actively try to deceive the poor and minority groups in to voting for them.

I get it. You are not alone in your thinking. But I think your own political beliefs stand in the way of real progress just as much as the beliefs from the other side. All you do is pass the baton from one corrupt party to another, and back again. That's where your belief gets you. If you want real progress you need to take a stand and say "enough is enough". The USA needs a third way. A party that really represents the needs of the people. If you do not think that is possible, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Sorry, but the accurate and easily accessible data proving historic jobs creation, wage growth, housing value gains, stock market gains etc and no Great Depressions or Great Recessions for the past 100 years from Dem economic stewardship and legislation vs historic jobs destruction by the millions upon millions, major housing value crashes, major stock market crashes, etc from Repub stewardship and legislation is no a kool-aid induced hallucination.

It actually happened that way. And there is zero evidence that Repubs aren't champing at the bit to get in there and produce more and greater crap results far into the future.

And I'm sure you'll be happy to know they will do it with your help. But they sure as fuck won't do it with my help.

[JustTK]

But "neitherside" produces the same result as "bothsides"; it helps Repubs get elected in order to produce more Great Repub Recessions and wipe out millions more USA jobs.
Remember, the Democratic Party is the party that tries to prove that this government of, by and for the people works.

I understand where you are coming from. I used to think that a vote for Dem is better than a vote for Rep bcos its the lesser of 2 evils. But it's not. I see them both as 2 sides of the same bad and dirty coin. Both represent the establishment. You have drunk the Dem Koolaid and swallowed it and believe their maifesto. I don't believe them. They want the status quo and to enrich themselves as much as the Reps. Just look at the endless wars they fund with your money! In some ways they are worse, in that they actively try to deceive the poor and minority groups in to voting for them.

I get it. You are not alone in your thinking. But I think your own political beliefs stand in the way of real progress just as much as the beliefs from the other side. All you do is pass the baton from one corrupt party to another, and back again. That's where your belief gets you. If you want real progress you need to take a stand and say "enough is enough". The USA needs a third way. A party that really represents the needs of the people. If you do not think that is possible, you are part of the problem, not the solution.