American Politics

[Xpartan]

So Trump was a Russian spy? He deserved to be impeached? He put Russian interests before America's? And all those who voted for him were duped?

And is everyone who votes for Trump a Russian spy too whose vote should be thrown out?

Isn't that what you would like Xpartan?

Oh, what a tangled web he weaves.

You might not know that, but what you do has a definition in psychology. It's called a "red herring," look it up.

1. No, Elvis, I don't think Trump was a Russian spy. He's too unhinged and undisciplined and narcissistic and, to be frank, dumb to be a spy. I do believe he was being groomed to be simply an agent of influence, but then, all of a sudden, there was a real shot at the White House.

2. Impeached? No. He deserves to be criminally prosecuted.

3. Why yes! He absolutely did put Russia's interests before America's.

4. Why yes! Of course, you fellas were duped. You still are.

5. No, you aren't Russian spies from what I know. You were duped (see #4).

6 and 7. No, I don't want any votes to be thrown out. For better or worse, every vote should count in a democracy.

Anything else I can help you with?

[EihTooms]

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russia...imes-a-million

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller's final report might leave audiences "disappointed," as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you'd have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn't prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr? The financial matters! There's an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and.

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something "so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That's a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn't so.

The story hyped from the start was espionage: a secret relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spooks who'd helped him win the election.

The betrayal narrative was not reported as metaphor. It was not "Trump likes the Russians so much, he might as well be a spy for them. " It was literal spying, treason, and election-fixing crimes so severe, former NSA employee John Schindler told reporters, Trump "will die in jail."

In the early months of this scandal, the New York Times said Trump's campaign had "repeated contacts" with Russian intelligence; the Wall Street Journal told us our spy agencies were withholding intelligence from the new President out of fear he was compromised; news leaked out our spy chiefs had even told other countries like Israel not to share their intel with us, because the Russians might have "leverages of pressure" on Trump.

CNN told us Trump officials had been in "constant contact" with "Russians known to USA Intelligence," and the former director of the CIA, who'd helped kick-start the investigation that led to Mueller's probe, said the President was guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors," committing acts "nothing short of treasonous."

Hillary Clinton insisted Russians "could not have known how to weaponize" political ads unless they'the been "guided" by Americans. Asked if she meant Trump, she said.

"It's pretty hard not to. " Harry Reid similarly said he had "no doubt" that the Trump campaign was "in on the deal" to help Russians with the leak.

None of this has been walked back. To be clear, if Trump were being blackmailed by Russian agencies like the FSB or the GRU, if he had any kind of relationship with Russian intelligence, that would soar over the "overwhelming and bipartisan" standard, and Nancy Pelosi would be damning torpedoes for impeachment right now.

There was never real gray area here. Either Trump is a compromised foreign agent, or he isn't. If he isn't, news outlets once again swallowed a massive disinformation campaign, only this error is many orders of magnitude more stupid than any in the recent past, WMD included. Honest reporters like ABC's Terry Moran understand: Mueller coming back empty-handed on collusion means a "reckoning for the media."

Of course, there won't be such a reckoning. (There never is). But there should be. We broke every written and unwritten rule in pursuit of this story, starting with the prohibition on reporting things we can't confirm.

End of quote. The irony is Taibbi was wrong. There was a disastrous impeachment.

Eih, seeing as how Trump has killed 750,000 Americans, should he not be allowed to run for office again?

And shouldn't anyone who votes for Trump (or voted for him in the past) be tried as an accessory to murder?

In fact, shouldn't anyone who votes Republican ever again have their votes disallowed because they are agents of Russia like Trump?

Your last couple of posts have certainly made compelling arguments for indicting Trump and anyone who voted for a Repub in the past 2-3 elections for a whole host of serious crimes against America.

But Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the Dems are way too busy repairing the horrific, near fatal damage done to the country on all fronts by Trump and his fellow Repubs to devote the time required to deal with all that.

Maybe they can get to it after they pass Biden's 3rd or 4th historic economic recovery, expansion and infrastructure legislation well before Trump stopped hosting golf excursions at his failing resorts and holding self-glorifying MAGA rallies long enough to sign and pass his one and only significant (godawful, counterproductive waste of $2.5+ Trillion) economic "stimulus" legislation at this same stage of his spectacularly failed so-called presidency.

[Cali Guy]

Democrats are getting smarter. Defunding police and open borders are not in line with any sane American.

"A Texas Democrat switched his affiliation to the Republican Party over the party's left-leaning embrace of defunding the police policies and "chaos" on the southern border.

State Rep. Ryan Guillen announced in a Monday press conference that he would seek reelection to his south Texas seat as a Republican, saying the Democratic Party's far-left values are no longer in line with his party.

[ScatManDoo]

Let's remember what happened on January 6th.

An angry mob, revved up by TrumpShit and his supporters, attacked our nation's capitol.

Five people died and hundreds were injured, many of the injured were police.

Even more than five died.

When you include the police officers that quickly committed suicide.

When some of the politicians they protected proved to be unworthy of the police's care.

[Cali Guy]

If you thought the DOJ was not an extension of the Democratic party, today was not a good day for you. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was taken into federal custody on Monday to face contempt charges over his refusal to cooperate with Democrats' January 6 congressional investigation. He will appear before a judge later in the day.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt. One for refusing to provide documents in response to the House committee's investigation, and the other for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition.

End of quote.

So here we go again. The Dems using the DOJ trying to arrest their way to victory. 1-6 is seen as treason and not what it was: a mild reaction to the shams that were Russiagate and Ukrainegate.

Being infatuated with Trump must make you feel better since you keep ignoring Biden's incompetence and the destruction of USA. Ignoring the issues does not make Biden incompetence go away.

[Smoothy]

I'm glad to see a real leader like Desantis standing up to the Biden admin's absurd policy of flying illegal aliens all over the USA without even notifying the states they are sending them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNuQG3oRm_I

I agree with Desantis, ship all illegals to Delaware.

[ScatManDoo]

Hell, maybe we should just arrest everyone who ever voted Republican. Isn't that what you douches really want? After all we voted for someone who killed nearly a million people. Aren't we accessories to murder?

Go ahead if you're committed.

[Elvis 2008]

If you thought the DOJ was not an extension of the Democratic party, today was not a good day for you. Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was taken into federal custody on Monday to face contempt charges over his refusal to cooperate with Democrats' January 6 congressional investigation. He will appear before a judge later in the day.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt. One for refusing to provide documents in response to the House committee's investigation, and the other for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition.

End of quote.

So here we go again. The Dems using the DOJ trying to arrest their way to victory. 1-6 is seen as treason and not what it was: a mild reaction to the shams that were Russiagate and Ukrainegate.

Henry Kissinger.

Janet Reno.

Harriet Miers.

Joshua Bolton.

Eric Holder.

Lois Lerner.

Bryan Pagliano.

Bill Barr.

Chad Wolf.

All held in contempt of Congress and not arrested.

And you saw it here. Every person who voted for Trump is stupid and should have their vote not count.

Hell, maybe we should just arrest everyone who ever voted Republican. Isn't that what you douches really want? After all we voted for someone who killed nearly a million people. Aren't we accessories to murder?

[EihTooms]

It is amazing that the USA is in a serious decline since Biden took office and all the socialists keep bringing up past presidents and Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and he he is a wreck and not a word of it from the so called democrats here. I guess they are following the socialists thinking like communism in China and Russia where you can not say anything bad about the communism policies.

Afghanistan catastrophe.

Border crises worst ever.

Highest inflation in 31 years.

Wokeness.

Mishandling covid.

Falling asleep at the most important international conference.

Harris laughing about the border and inflation.

The country has serious problems and incompetent president and VP and you are still talking Russia?

People across the country are suffering because of Biden and all of you are ignoring it. You are obviously good cult followers.

To recap the real results in pictures as well as words...

[Elvis 2008]

I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present..

So Trump was a Russian spy? He deserved to be impeached? He put Russian interests before America's? And all those who voted for him were duped?

And is everyone who votes for Trump a Russian spy too whose vote should be thrown out?

Isn't that what you would like Xpartan?

[Elvis 2008]

Of course, Russian collusion with Team Trump in the 2016 presidential election was real. It was discovered, uncovered and admitted to countless times by any number of Team Trump members from the Chairman of the Trump Presidential Campaign to spokesmen for the Campaign to go-betweens for the collusion to Trump's own family members.

However, as was repeated countless times from the very beginning in the Mainstream Media, from Mueler's team, Trump's DOJ that busted, charged and convicted several Team Trump members for their crimes and even on this site, "collusion" with Russia was not a crime and was not something the investigators were even looking for.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russia...imes-a-million

Stories have been coming out for some time now hinting Mueller's final report might leave audiences "disappointed," as if a President not being a foreign spy could somehow be bad news.

Openly using such language has, all along, been an indictment. Imagine how tone-deaf you'd have to be to not realize it makes you look bad, when news does not match audience expectations you raised. To be unaware of this is mind-boggling, the journalistic equivalent of walking outside without pants.

There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn't prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr? The financial matters! There's an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and.

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something "so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That's a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn't so.

The story hyped from the start was espionage: a secret relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spooks who'd helped him win the election.

The betrayal narrative was not reported as metaphor. It was not "Trump likes the Russians so much, he might as well be a spy for them. " It was literal spying, treason, and election-fixing crimes so severe, former NSA employee John Schindler told reporters, Trump "will die in jail."

In the early months of this scandal, the New York Times said Trump's campaign had "repeated contacts" with Russian intelligence; the Wall Street Journal told us our spy agencies were withholding intelligence from the new President out of fear he was compromised; news leaked out our spy chiefs had even told other countries like Israel not to share their intel with us, because the Russians might have "leverages of pressure" on Trump.

CNN told us Trump officials had been in "constant contact" with "Russians known to USA Intelligence," and the former director of the CIA, who'd helped kick-start the investigation that led to Mueller's probe, said the President was guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors," committing acts "nothing short of treasonous."

Hillary Clinton insisted Russians "could not have known how to weaponize" political ads unless they'the been "guided" by Americans. Asked if she meant Trump, she said.

"It's pretty hard not to. " Harry Reid similarly said he had "no doubt" that the Trump campaign was "in on the deal" to help Russians with the leak.

None of this has been walked back. To be clear, if Trump were being blackmailed by Russian agencies like the FSB or the GRU, if he had any kind of relationship with Russian intelligence, that would soar over the "overwhelming and bipartisan" standard, and Nancy Pelosi would be damning torpedoes for impeachment right now.

There was never real gray area here. Either Trump is a compromised foreign agent, or he isn't. If he isn't, news outlets once again swallowed a massive disinformation campaign, only this error is many orders of magnitude more stupid than any in the recent past, WMD included. Honest reporters like ABC's Terry Moran understand: Mueller coming back empty-handed on collusion means a "reckoning for the media."

Of course, there won't be such a reckoning. (There never is). But there should be. We broke every written and unwritten rule in pursuit of this story, starting with the prohibition on reporting things we can't confirm.

End of quote. The irony is Taibbi was wrong. There was a disastrous impeachment.

Eih, seeing as how Trump has killed 750,000 Americans, should he not be allowed to run for office again?

And shouldn't anyone who votes for Trump (or voted for him in the past) be tried as an accessory to murder?

In fact, shouldn't anyone who votes Republican ever again have their votes disallowed because they are agents of Russia like Trump?

[Elvis 2008]

I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.

If you invested in the Keystone pipeline, voting for Trump was stupid.

If you do not want to be vaxxed, voting for Trump was stupid.

If your business has been hurt by any of Biden's other executive orders (airlines, health care), voting for Trump was stupid.

If you have relatives in Afghanistan, voting for Trump was stupid.

Here is what you are trying to say: Voting for Trump hurts my paycheck, and anyone who messes with my paycheck is stupid.

You do not even care to understand the other's side POV.

[Cali Guy]

I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.

81,283,098 people were more stupid than the 74,000,000 that voted for Trump. They voted for Biden. Now they are paying the price. A lot of them are like me. They were duped to vote for an incompetent president because they didn't like Trump. Now Trump is looking pretty good now for a lot of democrats. There will still be the stupid ones that won't admit they screwed up though. Biden needs several more million illegals to enter the USA to vote in the 2024 election for him to have a chance to run again. He will continue to allow future voters to illegally enter to USA to vote for democrats but he won't look after the best interests of USA citizens. Keep supporting an incompetent president that is screwing the American people.

[ScatManDoo]

I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.

March of the lemmings.

Hahahahaja.

[PVMonger]

I don't flip. Flipping the script is your ilk's doing.

You pal Elvis has already flipped "Russiagate" to Biden (yeah, Russiagate, no less).

Like Russian Internet Research Agency trolls never toasted "we made America great again. ".

Like Russia never orchestrated those wikimedia leaks.

Like Putin never admitted they'd wanted Trump to win.

Like Donnie never asked Russia to dig more dirt on Hillary.

Like Donnie never laughed his ass off with Lavrov and Kisliak after firing Comey (with only Putin's TASS agency granted access to snap pictures).

Like Donnie never shared secret Israeli data with the Russians.

Like Donnie never met with the Russians alone, against all diplomatic protocols, without his aides and even an interpreter present.

Like Donnie never admired and excused Putin as a murderer. ​.

Like Donnie never sent his brain-damaged son to meet with Putin's agent in Trump Tower (and then taught the junior how to lie about it).

Like Donnie never told he trusted Putin more than his own 18 national security agencies..

I beg to differ with your last sentence. 74+ million voters certainly were that stupid a year ago. But since they seem hell-bent on killing themselves, that number probably won't increase.